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* Lilia: Fighting and killing drive, or basic human drives that keep Homura moving through life. Unlike the humanoid Lotte and Luiselotte, or the bird-like Liese, Lilia is a walking tooth monster with a simple, cartoonish design, because its role is built on less complex reasoning, so to speak. Its job is simple--to chew up and crush any unwanted foreign substances, or destroy them with the nut cannon it fires from its mouth. It is also covered a rock-hard enamel coating with a hardness of 10--this represents Homura building a wall around herself and refusing to let anyone in besides Madoka. Obstacles? Removed. Witches? Removed. Kyubey? Removed. Everyone else? Stay the hell out.

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* Lilia: Fighting and killing drive, or basic Basic human drives that keep Homura moving through life.life, such as hunger, thirst, and self-preservation. Unlike the humanoid Lotte and Luiselotte, or the bird-like Liese, Lilia is a walking tooth monster with a simple, cartoonish design, because its role is built on less complex reasoning, so to speak. Its job is simple--to chew up and crush any unwanted foreign substances, or destroy them with the nut cannon it fires from its mouth. It is also covered a rock-hard enamel coating with a hardness of 10--this represents Homura building a an emotional wall around herself and refusing to let anyone in besides Madoka. Obstacles? Removed. Witches? Removed. Kyubey? Removed. Everyone else? Stay the hell out.
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* Lilia: Fighting and killing drive, or basic human drives that keep Homura moving through life. Its role is to chew up and crush any unwanted foreign substances since Homulilly can no longer do that, or destroy them with the nut cannon it fires from its mouth. It is also covered a rock-hard enamel coating with a hardness of 10--this represents Homura building a wall around herself and refusing to let anyone in besides Madoka. Obstacles? Removed. Witches? Removed. Kyubey? Removed. Everyone else? Keep out.

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* Lilia: Fighting and killing drive, or basic human drives that keep Homura moving through life. Its Unlike the humanoid Lotte and Luiselotte, or the bird-like Liese, Lilia is a walking tooth monster with a simple, cartoonish design, because its role is built on less complex reasoning, so to speak. Its job is simple--to chew up and crush any unwanted foreign substances since Homulilly can no longer do that, substances, or destroy them with the nut cannon it fires from its mouth. It is also covered a rock-hard enamel coating with a hardness of 10--this represents Homura building a wall around herself and refusing to let anyone in besides Madoka. Obstacles? Removed. Witches? Removed. Kyubey? Removed. Everyone else? Keep Stay the hell out.
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* Lotte: Self-loathing for failing to protect Madoka. They organize Homulilly's funeral procession and path to the guillotine.

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* Lotte: Self-loathing for failing to protect Madoka. They organize Homulilly's funeral procession and path to the guillotine. They hate white rats, too, because Kyubey is a very big part of the reason why Homura can't be with Madoka anymore.
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* Lotte: Self-loathing. They organize Homulilly's funeral procession and path to the guillotine.

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* Lotte: Self-loathing.Self-loathing for failing to protect Madoka. They organize Homulilly's funeral procession and path to the guillotine.
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* Lotte: Self-loathing. They organize Homulilly's funeral procession and path to the guillotine.
* Luiselotte: Hatred of Kyubey. Her job is to hunt and eliminate white rats.
* Liese: Single-minded devotion to protecting Madoka. Its vision is impaired by its headgear, which causes it to ram into moving objects, which is symbolic of the fact that Homura is not concerned with anything around her that does not involve Madoka in some way.
* Lilia: Fighting and killing drive, or basic human drives that keep Homura moving through life. Its role is to chew up and crush any unwanted foreign substances since Homulilly can no longer do that, or destroy them with the nut cannon it fires from its mouth. It is also covered a rock-hard enamel coating with a hardness of 10--this represents Homura building a wall around herself and refusing to let anyone in besides Madoka. Obstacles? Removed. Witches? Removed. Kyubey? Removed. Everyone else? Keep out.
* Lisa: Desire to make the world a better place for Madoka. Its role is to rewrite the memories of the humans in the false Mitakihara City.
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Madoka’s wish actually had the most disastrous potential, because team Kyubey essentially planned on subverting it.

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And despite being praised for being Space Magical Girl Jesus for forgiving everybody, Madoka’s wish actually had the most disastrous potential, because team Kyubey essentially planned on subverting it.
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[[WMG: The whole series is an extended retelling of ''Anime/KannazukiNoMiko''.]]

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[[WMG: The whole series is an extended retelling of ''Anime/KannazukiNoMiko''.''Manga/DestinyOfTheShrineMaiden''.]]



** Himeko and Chikane are the main character for ''Kannazuki''. Himeko is a young naive schoolgirl who thinks positively of the world. Chikane is a mysterious, beautiful girl with long black hair and a headband. As magical mikos, they go through battles against the supernatural/mecha forces of the Orochi and form a love relationship. In the climax, Chikane [[spoiler: fall under the Orochi influence and makes FaceHeelTurn to tear apart the previous enemies]]. On the other hand, Himeko [[spoiler: is raped by Chikane, going through BreakTheCutie moments. After crossing such a line, Himeko is forced to kill Chikane, who vanishes out of existence and reveals her actions were done out of love. They are reunited year later via reincarnation.]]

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** Himeko and Chikane are the main character for ''Kannazuki''.''Destiny''. Himeko is a young naive schoolgirl who thinks positively of the world. Chikane is a mysterious, beautiful girl with long black hair and a headband. As magical mikos, they go through battles against the supernatural/mecha forces of the Orochi and form a love relationship. In the climax, Chikane [[spoiler: fall under the Orochi influence and makes FaceHeelTurn to tear apart the previous enemies]]. On the other hand, Himeko [[spoiler: is raped by Chikane, going through BreakTheCutie moments. After crossing such a line, Himeko is forced to kill Chikane, who vanishes out of existence and reveals her actions were done out of love. They are reunited year later via reincarnation.]]
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At least Nagisa seemed to be unhappy with Godoka's heaven. As an entry in the FridgeLogic page pointed out, she left the place for cheese, meaning that there's no cheese in heaven. Down in Homuillily's barrier, however, there would be cheese there. So perhaps the rest of the magical girls, and potentially Godoka herself, came down to the barrier because it was so, dreadully, '''boring'''. It's possible that another reason was to retrieve Homura, who appeared to have not made it to Godoka's heaven.

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At least Nagisa seemed to be unhappy with Godoka's heaven. As an entry in the FridgeLogic page pointed out, she left the place for cheese, meaning that there's no cheese in heaven. Down in Homuillily's barrier, however, there would be cheese there. So perhaps the rest of the magical girls, and potentially Godoka herself, came down to the barrier because it was so, dreadully, '''boring'''. It's possible that another reason was to retrieve Homura, who appeared to have not made it to into Godoka's heaven.
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[[WMG: The entire plan was a XanatosGambit in order for everyone to escape from Godoka's heaven.]]
At least Nagisa seemed to be unhappy with Godoka's heaven. As an entry in the FridgeLogic page pointed out, she left the place for cheese, meaning that there's no cheese in heaven. Down in Homuillily's barrier, however, there would be cheese there. So perhaps the rest of the magical girls, and potentially Godoka herself, came down to the barrier because it was so, dreadully, '''boring'''. It's possible that another reason was to retrieve Homura, who appeared to have not made it to Godoka's heaven.
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One of the prevailing themes of the main series was the short-sightedness of selfless behavior. As highlighted by Sayuka, and Matoka is both of their selfless acts led to negative outcomes because they didnt consider the causality in the bigger picture.

Matoka’s wish actually had the most disastrous potential, because team Kyubey essentially planned on subverting it.

...which raises a really interesting issue: none of the girls, except Homura actually regarded him for what he really was: the villain. As such, none of them were ever going to actually ‘fix the problem.’ After their respective narratives ended, there would still be more magical girls coming into existence and then dying. Not even Matoka actually solved that part.

Homura’s ultimate act of selfishness actually brought about everyone’s only hope for a happy ending: she put down the Kyubey threat for good. She remade the universe. Resurrected the fallen girls (once again, something Matoka failed to address). Lastly, she restored their right to live normal lives.

The laser-guided amnesia was an act of pure love because its the only way the cast could move on without significant PTSD. Giving Matoka the option to not be a god, was also a mercy, because Matoka originally resigned herself to an eternity of killing witches, and letting magical girls die in the Kyubey cycle.

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One of the prevailing themes of the main series was the short-sightedness of selfless behavior. As highlighted by Sayuka, and Matoka Madoka is both of their selfless acts led to negative outcomes because they didnt consider the causality in the bigger picture.

Matoka’s Madoka’s wish actually had the most disastrous potential, because team Kyubey essentially planned on subverting it.

...which raises a really interesting issue: none of the girls, except Homura actually regarded him for what he really was: the villain. As such, none of them were ever going to actually ‘fix the problem.’ After their respective narratives ended, there would still be more magical girls coming into existence and then dying. Not even Matoka Madoka actually solved that part.

Homura’s ultimate act of selfishness actually brought about everyone’s only hope for a happy ending: she put down the Kyubey threat for good. She remade the universe. Resurrected the fallen girls (once again, something Matoka Madoka failed to address). Lastly, she restored their right to live normal lives.

The laser-guided amnesia was an act of pure love because its the only way the cast could move on without significant PTSD. Giving Matoka Madoka the option to not be a god, was also a mercy, because Matoka Madoka originally resigned herself to an AndIMustScream-esque eternity of killing witches, bearing the despair of the world, and letting euthanizing magical girls die in the Kyubey cycle.
and absorbing their despair within herself so that they never become witches.

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* At this point she becomes a being more powerful then both her Gretchen ''and'' God forms.

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* At this point she becomes a being more powerful then than both her Gretchen ''and'' God forms.
* Alternatively, it could be that giving Madoka her powers back, when Homura's filled with despair and curses while linked with the Law of Cycles, would result in Madoka getting corrupted. This contradicting her and Homura's wishes (both granted through an enormous amount of karmic potential), she'll either disappear and become part of the Law again, much to Homura's chagrin, or her non-human half will inherit all that grief instead, resulting in a human Madoka and a Demon Madoka, filled with Homura's sick perception of love rather than hope or her usual selflessness, who spreads curses without necessarily being a Witch. Two Madokas, one for each of Madoka and Homura's wishes. The next conflict for the next movie would be getting Madoka all back together, remembering her purpose as the Law of Cycles and fighting her own literal demons. Pretty unlikely, but this troper would love to read/write a fic of it.
** Additionally, should the rest of the Magical Girls tampered by Akuma Homura realize what's going on, Madoka would receive the aid of many former Witches for the fight. Them being depowered, this would mean they'd have to [[SaveTheVillain save Kyubey from the curses]] and contract in order to undo the damage done to the Law of Cycles.
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* Or possibly, Homura will eventually realize that the feelings she's termed as "love" are in fact obsession and lust (Sayaka even throws out such a theory as Homucifer is born). She'll also realize, or be made to realize that this obsession with Madoka is actually extremely unhealthy for her and as a result, is hurting Madoka. The next step from here is the eventual realization that the true love that she feels for Madoka is still deep and personal, but it's not romantic. Madoka reciprocates and they both finally resolve the problems in their relationships that have caused so much trouble. And building on this, what if none of the girls are going to be paired in the end,as a sort of statement of "yes, this story was about deep love, but not THAT kind of deep love." It would probably be controversial, with some saying it's out of character, while others appreciating a take on true love that isn't romantic.


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[[WMG: In the next move/series Homura will try and make Sayaka seem like the enemy.]]
The concept movie trailer, Oktavia is seen in a manner very reminiscent of Walpurgisnacht in the original series, as well as shots of what looks like Sayaka beaten up and imprisoned. For this theory, Sayaka still remembers or keeps remembering the Law of Cycles and what Homura did. So what if Homura, for whatever reason, tries to get the others to think of Sayaka as the villain, possibly by making her into her Witch form and sicking her on people. It might possibly be so she can stay or get closer to Madoka as they defeat the "evil monster" together. However, Madoka being Madoka, she'll either develop empathy, get memory flashes, or both, for Sayaka. Eventually she'll realize that Sayaka/Oktavia isn't really a monster and decide to try and help free her/turn her back to normal. This will eventually start cascading as Homura's entire "perfect" world begins to crumble as a result of Madoka remembering more and more.

[[WMG: One of the newer series/movies will explore the idea of Kyubey gaining a conscience.]]
A bit far-fetched perhaps. But what if Kyubey somehow managed to gain a more "human" understanding and actually developed into a good person. The ability to feel emotions would be a great source of aangst and create a lot of self loathing in him. But possibly, one of the girls will befriend him and help him through it and he'll decide on his own to stop creating Magical Girls and try and repair the damage he and his kind have done.
*Possibly as an ironic way this might happen is, at the end of Rebellion, it's theorized that Homura is making Kyubey feel all the pain and curses that normally were taken up by Witches and/or Wraiths. What if this process is actually what finally makes Kyubey understand emotions and come to respect humans as something beautiful. So the irony would be that, in her attempt to punish Kyubey, Homucifer instead puts him on the path of redemption.
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Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], Homura still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka, and she seeks a final end to Madoka's pain and suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place - [[WellIntentionedExtremist she wants Madoka to be happy, even if Madoka herself doesn't want to be]]. With that in mind, Homura would be betraying her own motivations if she attacked Madoka.

Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in the timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, AKA Sayaka and Mami. In spite of what Homura did to her, Madoka likely wouldn't count Homura as an exception to this. If anything, she'd probably feel even less inclined to hurt Homura, given that she knows just how much Homura has suffered throughout the events of the series.

As for what would happen if they finally did reach some sort of standoff... that's another theory altogether.

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Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], Homura still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka, and she seeks a final end to Madoka's pain and suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place - [[WellIntentionedExtremist she wants Madoka to be happy, even if Madoka herself doesn't want to be]]. With that in mind, Homura would be betraying her own motivations if she ever directly attacked Madoka.

Madoka. If you fought for years on end to keep someone safe, what would any of it mean if ''you'' ended up being the one to hurt them?

Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in the timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, AKA Sayaka and Mami. In spite of what Homura did to her, Madoka likely wouldn't count Homura as an exception to this. If anything, she'd probably feel even less inclined to hurt Homura, given that she knows just how much Homura has suffered throughout suffered. And unlike the events of the series.

aforementioned witches, Homura isn't an AlmightyIdiot, [[HopeSpot meaning that she still has a conscience for Madoka to try to reason with]].

As for what would happen if they finally did reach some sort of standoff... that's another theory altogether.
altogether. The only given would be some variation of EverybodyCries.

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Neither one of them would be able to bring themselves to hurt the other. Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], Homura still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka, and she seeks a final end to Madoka's pain and suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place. With that in mind, Homura would be betraying her own motivations if she Madoka. Madoka wouldn't be happy if she had to fight one of her closest friends, after all. Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in the timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, AKA Sayaka and Mami. In spite of what Homura did to her, Madoka likely wouldn't count Homura as an exception to this. If anything, she'd probably feel even less inclined to hurt Homura, given that she knows just how much Homura has suffered throughout the events of the series.

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Neither one of them would be able to bring themselves to hurt the other.

Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], Homura still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka, and she seeks a final end to Madoka's pain and suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place. place - [[WellIntentionedExtremist she wants Madoka to be happy, even if Madoka herself doesn't want to be]]. With that in mind, Homura would be betraying her own motivations if she Madoka. Madoka wouldn't be happy if she had to fight one of her closest friends, after all. attacked Madoka.

Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in the timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, AKA Sayaka and Mami. In spite of what Homura did to her, Madoka likely wouldn't count Homura as an exception to this. If anything, she'd probably feel even less inclined to hurt Homura, given that she knows just how much Homura has suffered throughout the events of the series.
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Neither one of them would be able to bring themselves to hurt the other. Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], Homura still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka and desire an end to her suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place. With that in mind, Homura wouldn't gain anything from directly attacking Madoka. Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, Sayaka and Mami's respective witch forms. In spite of what Homura did to her, Madoka likely wouldn't count Homura as an exception to this.

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Neither one of them would be able to bring themselves to hurt the other. Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], Homura still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka Madoka, and desire an she seeks a final end to her Madoka's pain and suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place. With that in mind, Homura would be betraying her own motivations if she Madoka. Madoka wouldn't gain anything from directly attacking Madoka. be happy if she had to fight one of her closest friends, after all. Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in the timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, AKA Sayaka and Mami's respective witch forms. Mami. In spite of what Homura did to her, Madoka likely wouldn't count Homura as an exception to this.
this. If anything, she'd probably feel even less inclined to hurt Homura, given that she knows just how much Homura has suffered throughout the events of the series.

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Neither one of them would be able to bring themselves to hurt the other. Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], she still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka and desire an end to her suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place. Hurting Madoka would only go against what Homura has always wanted for her. Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, Sayaka and Mami's respective witch forms. In spite of Homura's betrayal against Madoka, Madoka likely wouldn't be able to work up the guts to fight her, either.

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Neither one of them would be able to bring themselves to hurt the other. Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], she Homura still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka and desire an end to her suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place. Hurting Madoka would only go against what With that in mind, Homura has always wanted for her.wouldn't gain anything from directly attacking Madoka. Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, Sayaka and Mami's respective witch forms. In spite of Homura's betrayal against Madoka, what Homura did to her, Madoka likely wouldn't be able count Homura as an exception to work up the guts to fight her, either.
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As for what would happen if they finally did reach some sort of standoff... that's another theory altogether.
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[[WMG: Homucifer and Godoka... [[AntiClimax will]] ''[[AntiClimax not]]'' [[AntiClimax fight each-other in the next movie]].]]

Neither one of them would be able to bring themselves to hurt the other. Even after all of her moral corruption and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope rapid descent into apparent villainy]], she still seems to, in one way or another, love Madoka and desire an end to her suffering. It's the reason she became Homucifer and rewrote the universe in the first place. Hurting Madoka would only go against what Homura has always wanted for her. Likewise, Madoka, being the AllLovingHero that she is, has never been shown willingly hurting any of her friends, even in timelines where she became a magical girl and had to face off against Oktavia or Candeloro, Sayaka and Mami's respective witch forms. In spite of Homura's betrayal against Madoka, Madoka likely wouldn't be able to work up the guts to fight her, either.
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I think, given everything that's happened, it's safe to say that Homura is in love with Madoka, as in romantic feelings and a sexual attraction. I mean, the subtext is freaking everywhere at this point. But, unless I'm mistaken, Madoka hasn't shown much in the way of romantic/sexual attraction towards Homura. She loves her, certainly, but as a friend, closer than any of the others, even Sayaka. But maybe Madoka is, well, straight/asexual, and thus can't reciprocate those feelings in the same way.

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I think, given Given everything that's happened, it's safe to say that Homura is in love with Madoka, as in romantic feelings and a sexual attraction. I mean, the The subtext is freaking everywhere at this point. But, unless I'm mistaken, Madoka hasn't shown much in the way of romantic/sexual attraction towards Homura. She loves her, certainly, but as a friend, closer than any of the others, even Sayaka. But maybe Madoka is, well, straight/asexual, and thus can't reciprocate those feelings in the same way.



* Perhaps not - post-usurpation Homura indicates that she doesn't care whether Madoka returns her feelings (or perhaps she expects that Madoka never would if she ever found what she had done). Though that's not to say Homura couldn't still be in emotional turmoil over it under the surface. It does ask, though, whether someone else could...

* Interestingly, though, Homura's transformation into Homucifer could be a metaphor for sexual awakening--maybe what she feels for Madoka (aside from the "Ai yo" line is passion? Deeper than despair? It would explain her different body language and behavior in the new world.

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* Perhaps not - post-usurpation Homura indicates that she doesn't care whether Madoka returns her feelings (or perhaps she expects that Madoka never would if she ever found what she had done). Though that's not to say Homura couldn't still be in emotional turmoil over it under the surface. It does ask, though, whether someone else could...

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Interestingly, though, Homura's transformation into Homucifer could be a metaphor for sexual awakening--maybe what she feels for Madoka (aside from the "Ai yo" line is passion? Deeper than despair? It would explain her different body language and behavior in the new world.
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Homura realizes that eventually, Ultimate Madoka will always awaken, and in order to subdue her, she must use force-physical force. Homura boasted that it was her who gave Madoka her powers, and that she can always make her a slave if she wants to. Madoka calls Homura foolish because, even if they loved each other, she simply cannot afford everyone else suffering for her own benefit, because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Madoka also explained that she forgave the Incubators because she knew that they had good intentions and brought mankind civilization. Also, what Homura was doing now was not love, but possessiveness. Offended at the notion that the Incubators could be forgiven, she, in a fit of impulse, attempts to subdue Madoka with force, vowing that she will make Madoka hers forever and ever. The die was cast. Each god-like being knew that the fate of humanity now hung in the balance. A battle that was both physical and psychic in nature. Though Madoka's psychic gifts were unequaled, she found herself unwilling to summon Her full strength against Her most beloved. Homura tries to strip Madoka of her powers so that she would never be a potential Puella ever again, despite not realizing that it was also destroying Madoka's very soul causing immense amounts of agony. Homura's self-centred lust and love, along with her hatred of Madoka for her seeming ungratefulness, continues to multiply, until she does the unspeakable: bonding, humiliating and outright [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping Madoka]].

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Homura realizes that eventually, Ultimate Madoka will always awaken, and in order to subdue her, she must use force-physical force. Homura boasted that it was her who gave Madoka her powers, and that she can always make her a slave if she wants to. Madoka calls Homura foolish because, even if they loved each other, she simply cannot afford everyone else suffering for her own benefit, because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Madoka also explained that she forgave the Incubators because she knew that they had good intentions and brought mankind civilization. Also, what Homura was doing now was not love, but possessiveness. Offended at the notion that the Incubators could be forgiven, she, in a fit of impulse, attempts to subdue Madoka with force, vowing that she will make Madoka hers forever and ever. The die was cast. Each god-like being knew that the fate of humanity now hung in the balance. A battle that was both physical and psychic in nature. Though Madoka's psychic gifts were unequaled, she found herself unwilling to summon Her full strength against Her most beloved. Homura tries to strip Madoka of her powers so that she would never be a potential Puella ever again, despite not realizing that it was also destroying Madoka's very soul causing immense amounts of agony. Homura's self-centred lust and love, along with her hatred of Madoka for her seeming ungratefulness, continues to multiply, until she does the unspeakable: bonding, humiliating humiliating, torturing and outright [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping Madoka]].
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** Dead wrong here. Madoka was proven to not be omniscience and had to separate her power to even save Homura herself. Madoka feel right into Kyubey's plans as he got what he wanted: Madoka coming to save Homura and taking her into where ever the hell they go. Madoka also is not omnipresent like you suggest, otherwise she would have seen Homura going demon. Sorry to say but Kyubey's plans worked to a T and he would have kept the process of going for every magical girl until Madoka ran out of tricks. Homura's actions at the end still hold up as Madokami's powers are highly overestimated by the fanbase.

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** Dead wrong here. Madoka was proven to not be omniscience and had to separate her power to even save Homura herself. Madoka feel right into Kyubey's plans as he got what he wanted: Madoka coming to save Homura and taking her into where ever the hell they go. Madoka also is not omnipresent like you suggest, otherwise she would have seen Homura going demon. Sorry to say but Kyubey's plans worked to a T and he would have kept the process of going for every magical girl until Madoka ran out of tricks. Homura's actions at the end still hold up as Madokami's powers are highly overestimated by the fanbase.
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[[WMG: Madokami planned the Rebellion because of [[IntellectualPropertyReligion Madokamism]].]]

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Specifically, [[GodIsEvil God]], the Creator of the world. Not just the de facto creator of Madoka, Creator/GenUrobuchi, but ''[[YouBastard all of us]]''. In other words, ''[[AGodAmI we]] [[AGodIsYou are God]]''. It is Us who want to see Madoka [[BreakTheCutie suffer and cry over and over]], and We loved her series inthe first place to Evangelion-scale levels of merchandise, even to the point of establishing a near-religious cult, the [[IntellectualPropertyReligion Church of Madoka]], simply because [[MemeticMutation Being Madoka is Suffering]], for the same sick reasons why the tropes of RuleOfDrama, CrapsackWorld, TrueArtIsAngsty, TorturePorn, {{Ryona}} and sadistic hentai doujins are so popular. When Madoka demanded that she erase every witch from past and future so that no Puella may suffer despair from their karmic destinies ever again, in exchange We forced her to become a [[MessianicArchetype Jesus Christ]] by making her bear and absorb the full dreadful weight of the despair of every Puella at every point in space and time in return. It is We, as God, who want to see Madoka be tortured, teased, ridiculed, mocked and laughed at, and cry for our sins over and over again. Do not deny it, if Madoka was actually happy and free from those kinds of torture, then We, as God, would have no longer any motive to support her universe any longer. The Incubators would interpret Our lack of support for their universe as the Destruction of their Reality. The constant suffering of Madoka is the entertainment of Us, of God.

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Specifically, [[GodIsEvil God]], the Creator of the world. Not just the de facto creator of Madoka, Creator/GenUrobuchi, but ''[[YouBastard all of us]]''. In other words, ''[[AGodAmI we]] [[AGodIsYou are God]]''. It is Us who want to see Madoka [[BreakTheCutie suffer and cry over and over]], and We loved her series inthe first place to Evangelion-scale levels of merchandise, even to the point of establishing a near-religious cult, the [[IntellectualPropertyReligion [[JustForFun/IntellectualPropertyReligion Church of Madoka]], simply because [[MemeticMutation Being Madoka is Suffering]], for the same sick reasons why the tropes of RuleOfDrama, CrapsackWorld, TrueArtIsAngsty, TorturePorn, {{Ryona}} and sadistic hentai doujins are so popular. When Madoka demanded that she erase every witch from past and future so that no Puella may suffer despair from their karmic destinies ever again, in exchange We forced her to become a [[MessianicArchetype Jesus Christ]] by making her bear and absorb the full dreadful weight of the despair of every Puella at every point in space and time in return. It is We, as God, who want to see Madoka be tortured, teased, ridiculed, mocked and laughed at, and cry for our sins over and over again. Do not deny it, if Madoka was actually happy and free from those kinds of torture, then We, as God, would have no longer any motive to support her universe any longer. The Incubators would interpret Our lack of support for their universe as the Destruction of their Reality. The constant suffering of Madoka is the entertainment of Us, of God.
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We will then have a full-on magical girl war: Madokami, Sayaka, Nagisa and their summoned familiars vs. Homucifer, Mami, Kyoko and Homura's familiars. And it will be '''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome GLORIOUS]]'''.

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We will then have a full-on magical girl war: Madokami, Sayaka, Nagisa and their summoned familiars vs. Homucifer, Mami, Kyoko and Homura's familiars. And it will be '''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome '''[[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome GLORIOUS]]'''.



In the ending, while Homura talks to Sayaka, her familiars start to throw tomatoes, [[CrowningMomentOfFunny and one of them lands in her head]]. This could have three meanings:

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In the ending, while Homura talks to Sayaka, her familiars start to throw tomatoes, [[CrowningMomentOfFunny [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments and one of them lands in her head]]. This could have three meanings:
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[[WMG: The WholePlotReference did not change from {{Faust}} in the series/first two movies to Literature/ParadiseLost in ''Rebellion''.]]

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[[WMG: The WholePlotReference did not change from {{Faust}} Myth/{{Faust}} in the series/first two movies to Literature/ParadiseLost in ''Rebellion''.]]
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* Alternatively, it was a shoutout to ''Anime/BigO'' in reference to the "{{Tomato in the Mirror}}" scene, in that the world is a stage, fitting many of the other "play" elements of both anime.

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* Alternatively, it was a shoutout shout-out to ''Anime/BigO'' ''Anime/TheBigO'' in reference to the "{{Tomato in the Mirror}}" "TomatoInTheMirror" scene, in that the world is a stage, fitting many of the other "play" elements of both anime.
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In the film, Homura's fixation on killing Bebe is really metaphorical; she wants to kill "food," or at least the forces and negative feelings of hunger. Her witch form contains a skeletal ribcage that highlights her emotional emptiness but also supports the "eating disorder" theory. The shout-outs to ''Theatre/TheNutcracker'' and ''Anime/PrincessTutu'' in are not hard to miss, and can easily attribute to my "ballerina" theory as well. Her small stature is essentially a side-effect of her eating disorder; her growth is stunted because of her poor eating habits from a developmental age. Her disturbing focus on Madoka is another factor of her deteriorating mental health - she constantly needs to be focused on something, ''anything'', or her life isn't worth living (as seen by how pathetic she felt when she was walking home after her first day at school). First it was dance and her mother, then her eating habits, and eventually Madoka. Without an object to obsessively focus on, Homura loses all semblance of "self." When her final object of focus was taken away, part of the reason that her soul gem started to darken is because the event triggered her feelings of the past again. In the end, she becomes so desperate for an object to focus on that she decides to do so by force, and rather than controlling ''one'' object, she [[{{Understatement}} aims a bit higher]].

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In the film, Homura's fixation on killing Bebe is really metaphorical; she wants to kill "food," or at least the forces and negative feelings of hunger. Her witch form contains a skeletal ribcage that highlights her emotional emptiness but also supports the "eating disorder" theory. The shout-outs to ''Theatre/TheNutcracker'' and ''Anime/PrincessTutu'' in are not hard to miss, and can easily attribute to my "ballerina" theory as well. Her small stature is essentially a side-effect of her eating disorder; her growth is stunted because of her poor eating habits from a developmental age. Her disturbing focus on Madoka is another factor of her deteriorating mental health - she constantly needs to be focused on something, ''anything'', or her life isn't worth living (as seen by how pathetic she felt when she was walking home after her first day at school). First it was dance and her mother, then her eating habits, and eventually Madoka. Without an object to obsessively focus on, Homura loses all semblance of "self." When her final object of focus was taken away, part of the reason that her soul gem started to darken is because the event triggered her feelings of the past again. In the end, she becomes so desperate for an object to focus on that she decides to do so by force, and rather than controlling ''one'' object, she [[{{Understatement}} aims a bit higher]].
has much wider aim.
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* [[spoiler: Madoka will become more selfish]] Unfourtunatly it will be a case of "Be careful what you wish for."

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* [[spoiler: Madoka will become more selfish]] Unfourtunatly Unfortunately it will be a case of "Be careful what you wish for."



And it will be a SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming as she reunites with her best friend Madoka once again.

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And it will be a SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} as she reunites with her best friend Madoka once again.

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The laser-guided amnesia was an act of pure love because its the only way the cast could move on without significant PTSD.

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The laser-guided amnesia was an act of pure love because its the only way the cast could move on without significant PTSD.
PTSD. Giving Matoka the option to not be a god, was also a mercy, because Matoka originally resigned herself to an eternity of killing witches, and letting magical girls die in the Kyubey cycle.

In the end, Homura had to evolve. She had to be the self interested party who would finally put down the real threats. The plot pretty much plays out like a coming of age story where the whole point is understanding the world is a lot more complicated than simply ‘playing out a role,’ which is what the rest of the girls would have simply kept doing till they died. In Homura’s evolution, she actually surpassed Kyubey as well; drawing a balance between hard rationalism and pure emotion. In a way, she acknowledged that she had to be an aggressive force, scarier than the main threat, but still want the best outcome for everyone.

The hard final piece, is people think she’s not happy with the choice she made. Actually, the real issue, is nobody is going to see her choice as being ‘good.’ However, if they fight her, she cant let them win, because then they will in-turn fall to Kyubey’s influence. They are the sad ending. She is the real protector, safe-guarding all the other characters, even from themselves.
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[[WMG: Taking the evil option for the right reasons IS the moral of the story (and the ultimate subversion)]]

One of the prevailing themes of the main series was the short-sightedness of selfless behavior. As highlighted by Sayuka, and Matoka is both of their selfless acts led to negative outcomes because they didnt consider the causality in the bigger picture.

Matoka’s wish actually had the most disastrous potential, because team Kyubey essentially planned on subverting it.

...which raises a really interesting issue: none of the girls, except Homura actually regarded him for what he really was: the villain. As such, none of them were ever going to actually ‘fix the problem.’ After their respective narratives ended, there would still be more magical girls coming into existence and then dying. Not even Matoka actually solved that part.

Homura’s ultimate act of selfishness actually brought about everyone’s only hope for a happy ending: she put down the Kyubey threat for good. She remade the universe. Resurrected the fallen girls (once again, something Matoka failed to address). Lastly, she restored their right to live normal lives.

The laser-guided amnesia was an act of pure love because its the only way the cast could move on without significant PTSD.
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[[WMG: [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees Poison Oak]] time!]]

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[[WMG: [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees [[WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees Poison Oak]] time!]]

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