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[[WMG: Homura influenced SuperBowl XLVIII, specifically the choice of songs that were performed at the halftime show by Music/BrunoMars.]]

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[[WMG: Nagisa suffers from Waardenburg Syndrome]]
Her appearance as a magical girl fits well with the physical symptoms of the disorder. People with Waardenburg Syndrome often have prematurely white or grey hair (sometimes from early childhood), and central heterochromia (eyes where the middle of the iris is a different color from the fringe) is common.
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[[WMG: Madoka isn't done yet - if she was God post-Episode 12, she's now {{Jesus}} of Nazareth.]]

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** Above troper is a fan of TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}. Under said theory, Homura = Horus, Madoka = The GodEmperor of Mankind, Sayaka = Ollanius Pius.

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** Above troper is a fan of TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}. Under said theory, Homura = Horus, Madoka = The GodEmperor of Mankind, Homura = Horus, Sayaka = Ollanius Pius.
Sanguinius.
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[[WMG: Homura's past self could return in the sequel.]]

Homura has completely cast off her past self, her more selfless self, and embraced a far more selfish way of thinking. But what if that side of her is still out there somewhere? After all, Madoka was split in two. Would it be such a stretch to assume the same might have happened to Homura?
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* Interestingly, you could tie this theory back into one of the closing scenes of the movie. Namely, the crossroads, where one sign read "Good Morning," and the other, "Country of Sweets." This could seen as a Sayaka/Nagisa parallel, as the former is Sayaka's line from a couple of minutes previous during her reunion with Kyousuke and Hitomi, while the latter has the obvious sugar connotation that ties in with Nagisa. But if we look deeper at that juxtaposition, we can interpret the "Good Morning" line as symbolizing Sayaka's admitted happiness to reunite with those she lost in a new world with new memories. Then, "Country of Sweets" would logically point to a ''different'' path than that of finding joy in Homura's world - namely, the memory of Madoka's Valhalla, a place we could creatively see as a country - and associate that path with Nagisa.
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Homura is an AudienceSurrogate for the Western otaku demographic, having qualities that appeal to it by the virtue of being a GenreSavvy StoicWoobie CombatPragmatist. Much like a typical player in a game with MultipleEndings, she is not satisfied with the original series' BittersweetEnding and looks for the perfect GoldenEnding no matter how much relentless SaveScumming would it take. Her attempts to fix the plot sadly end up stifling it and robbing it of artistic merit and creativity and ultimately lead her to outright defy the WordOfGod and end up RunningTheAsylum. In doing so, she causes the universe to undergo a bout of DorkAge rife with explicit {{Fanservice}} (Such as promoting the OneSceneWonder Charlotte to {{Mascot}} status based solely on fan appeal) and {{Flanderization}} (Witch transformation as a SuperMode? Really?)

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Homura is an AudienceSurrogate for the Western otaku demographic, having qualities that appeal to it by the virtue of being a GenreSavvy StoicWoobie CombatPragmatist. Much like a typical player in a game with MultipleEndings, she is not satisfied with the original series' BittersweetEnding and looks for the perfect GoldenEnding no matter how much relentless SaveScumming would it take. Her attempts to fix the plot sadly end up stifling it and robbing it of artistic merit and creativity and ultimately lead her to outright defy the WordOfGod and end up RunningTheAsylum. In doing so, she causes the universe to undergo a bout of DorkAge rife with explicit {{Fanservice}} (Such as promoting the OneSceneWonder Charlotte to {{Mascot}} status based solely on fan appeal) and {{Flanderization}} (Witch transformation as a SuperMode? Really?)
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Specifically, [[GodIsEvil God]], the Creator of the world. Not just the de facto creator of Madoka, GenUrobuchi, but ''[[YouBastard all of us]]''. In other words, ''[[AGodAmI we]] [[AGodIsYou are God]]''. It is Us who want to see Madoka [[BreakTheCutie suffer and cry over and over]], and We loved her series inthe first place to Evangelion-scale levels of merchandise, even to the point of establishing a near-religious cult, the [[IntellectualPropertyReligion Church of Madoka]], simply because [[MemeticMutation Being Madoka is Suffering]], for the same sick reasons why the tropes of RuleOfDrama, CrapsackWorld, TrueArtIsAngsty, TorturePorn, {{Ryona}} and sadistic hentai doujins are so popular. When Madoka demanded that she erase every witch from past and future so that no Puella may suffer despair from their karmic destinies ever again, in exchange We forced her to become a [[MessianicArchetype Jesus Christ]] by making her bear and absorb the full dreadful weight of the despair of every Puella at every point in space and time in return. It is We, as God, who want to see Madoka be tortured, teased, ridiculed, mocked and laughed at, and cry for our sins over and over again. Do not deny it, if Madoka was actually happy and free from those kinds of torture, then We, as God, would have no longer any motive to support her universe any longer. The Incubators would interpret Our lack of support for their universe as the Destruction of their Reality. The constant suffering of Madoka is the entertainment of Us, of God.

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Specifically, [[GodIsEvil God]], the Creator of the world. Not just the de facto creator of Madoka, GenUrobuchi, Creator/GenUrobuchi, but ''[[YouBastard all of us]]''. In other words, ''[[AGodAmI we]] [[AGodIsYou are God]]''. It is Us who want to see Madoka [[BreakTheCutie suffer and cry over and over]], and We loved her series inthe first place to Evangelion-scale levels of merchandise, even to the point of establishing a near-religious cult, the [[IntellectualPropertyReligion Church of Madoka]], simply because [[MemeticMutation Being Madoka is Suffering]], for the same sick reasons why the tropes of RuleOfDrama, CrapsackWorld, TrueArtIsAngsty, TorturePorn, {{Ryona}} and sadistic hentai doujins are so popular. When Madoka demanded that she erase every witch from past and future so that no Puella may suffer despair from their karmic destinies ever again, in exchange We forced her to become a [[MessianicArchetype Jesus Christ]] by making her bear and absorb the full dreadful weight of the despair of every Puella at every point in space and time in return. It is We, as God, who want to see Madoka be tortured, teased, ridiculed, mocked and laughed at, and cry for our sins over and over again. Do not deny it, if Madoka was actually happy and free from those kinds of torture, then We, as God, would have no longer any motive to support her universe any longer. The Incubators would interpret Our lack of support for their universe as the Destruction of their Reality. The constant suffering of Madoka is the entertainment of Us, of God.

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\n[[WMG: Homura DID die inside her Soul Gem]]

Who's controlling Homura's body after everyone escapes the containment field, then? Simple: Homulily. The weirdness with her Soul Gem is the result of a Witch being fully born inside it without shattering it. Homulily's seeming defeat and all the stuff about her escaping with the other magical girls was essentially a ruse.

I mean, the process of becoming a Witch is supposed to be irreversible for good reason: it's like burning a log. You can't reconstitute a magical girl from a witch for the same reason you can't reconstitute a log from ashes: Entropic stuff, arrow of time, etc. So why when Homura became a witch was the process suddenly supposed to be reversible? Answer: It wasn't. She actually did die when we saw her soul collapse as Homulily emerged, and what is now left is Homulily controlling Homura's human body.

She is, after all, very much acting on instinct in the same sort of way that witches do. She has a basic desire and is pursuing that blindly without regard for anything else, much like many of the Witch descriptions that we have seem to indicate.
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* Alternatively, it was a shoutout to ''Anime/BigO'' in reference to the "{{Tomato in the Mirror}}" scene, in that the world is a stage, fitting many of the other "play" elements of both anime.
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[[WMG: The second series will be a {{Deconstruction}} of {{ZeroApprovalGambit}}s]]

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They never really became liches decaying into murderous EldritchAbominations. Their only real enemies were the relatively benign Nightmares. Kyubey was always just the TeamPet who could only utter "Kyuu". The CosmicHorrorStory we've witnessed was AllJustADream of the depressed, pessimistic Homura, who just needs the loving support of her [[ThePowerOfFriendship dear friends]]...and perhaps a visit to a psychiatrist.

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They never really became liches decaying into murderous EldritchAbominations.{{Eldritch Abomination}}s. Their only real enemies were the relatively benign Nightmares. Kyubey was always just the TeamPet who could only utter "Kyuu". The CosmicHorrorStory we've witnessed was AllJustADream of the depressed, pessimistic Homura, who just needs the loving support of her [[ThePowerOfFriendship dear friends]]...and perhaps a visit to a psychiatrist.
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* Interestingly, though, Homura's transformation into Homucifer could be a metaphor for sexual awakening--maybe what she feels for Madoka (aside from the "Ai yo" line is passion? Deeper than despair? It would explain her different body language and behavior in the new world.
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[[WMG: [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi It's still a game between Bernkastel and Lambdadelta]]]]

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** So what? She had omniscience before she went in to rescue Homura, so she knew before things started how they would play out. Therefore, it can only be concluded that she was willing to accept the Akuma Homura scenario.
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[[http://24.media.tumblr.com/4bab4bbc1f814c6e49075d963916aa21/tumblr_msj4et2Y111r2a2ywo1_500.png She kinda looks]] [[http://i.imgur.com/JQtJSsd.jpg like her]] (same general colors). Either she wished for something different in this timeline, or she didn't fall into despair as soon.

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[[http://24.media.tumblr.com/4bab4bbc1f814c6e49075d963916aa21/tumblr_msj4et2Y111r2a2ywo1_500.png She kinda looks]] looks [[http://i.imgur.com/JQtJSsd.jpg like her]] (same general colors). Either she wished for something different in this timeline, or she didn't fall into despair as soon.
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[[http://24.media.tumblr.com/4bab4bbc1f814c6e49075d963916aa21/tumblr_msj4et2Y111r2a2ywo1_500.png She kinda looks]] [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120508081145/villains/images/7/79/Nutbladder_puella_magi_madoka_magica_-_03_7ec0e521-mkv-00011.jpg like her]] (same general colors). Either she wished for something different in this timeline, or she didn't fall into despair as soon.

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[[http://24.media.tumblr.com/4bab4bbc1f814c6e49075d963916aa21/tumblr_msj4et2Y111r2a2ywo1_500.png She kinda looks]] [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120508081145/villains/images/7/79/Nutbladder_puella_magi_madoka_magica_-_03_7ec0e521-mkv-00011.[[http://i.imgur.com/JQtJSsd.jpg like her]] (same general colors). Either she wished for something different in this timeline, or she didn't fall into despair as soon.
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I think, given everything that's happened, it's safe to say that Homura is in love with Madoka, as in romantic feelings and a sexual attraction. I mean, the subtext is freaking everywhere at this point. But, unless I'm mistaken, Madoka hasn't shown much in the way of romantic/sexual attraction towards Homura. She loves her, certainly, but as a friend, closer than any of the others, even Sayaka. But maybe Madoka is, well, straight, and thus can't reciprocate those feelings in the same way.

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I think, given everything that's happened, it's safe to say that Homura is in love with Madoka, as in romantic feelings and a sexual attraction. I mean, the subtext is freaking everywhere at this point. But, unless I'm mistaken, Madoka hasn't shown much in the way of romantic/sexual attraction towards Homura. She loves her, certainly, but as a friend, closer than any of the others, even Sayaka. But maybe Madoka is, well, straight, straight/asexual, and thus can't reciprocate those feelings in the same way.
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** Dead wrong here. Madoka was proven to not be omniscience and had to separate her power to even save Homura herself. Madoka feel right into Kyubey's plans as he got what he wanted: Madoka coming to save Homura and taking her into where ever the hell they go. Madoka also is not omnipresent like you suggest, otherwise she would have seen Homura going demon. Sorry to say but Kyubey's plans worked to a T and he would have kept the process of going for every magical girl until Madoka ran out of tricks. Homura's actions at the end still hold up as Madokami's powers are highly overestimated by the fanbase.

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[[WMG: The Homuniverse isn't any more real than Homulilly's labyrinth. They're still inside her Soul Gem.]]

The "Akuma-Homura" scene shouldn't be possible, given what we know about Madoka's ascension, for the following reasons:

* Madoka became the Law of Cycles because her wish caused a temporal paradox, and the universe was forced into a reset to resolve it. If her wish hadn't messed with the space-time continuum, it wouldn't be any different from any other magical girl's wish and Madoka would witch out as the exchange demanded. Homura was already a magical girl, which means she'd already made the contract and thus already got her wish granted. And her wish, given her bow, was probably "I wish to never forget Madoka". Which she doesn't. She eventually starts thinking she made it all up, but she never forgot about her; if that wish contradicted the new timeline, it would have reset the universe, but it doesn't, because human memory is fallible. We have a word for it when someone remembers something that couldn't have happened, it's called a delusion.
* Homura deliberately shattered her Soul Gem, which (bizarre colors notwithstanding) was no different from any other. Shattering it should have just killed her. But, not only does she not die, it reshapes into a new object altogether. Soul Gems are made from Incubator technology and Homura doesn't know any more about them in the movie than she did during the series. If you smash an iPhone with a hammer and melt the broken phone down and remold it as a sphere, you can call it the iBall if you want to, but you're not gonna be making any phone calls with it.
* Ultimate Madoka visibly appears, with Sayaka and Nagisa riding one of Walpurgisnacht's carnival carriages, in a glorious halo on a path paved with stars and flowers. We saw what happened to Sayaka when she was killed in the new universe and what happened to all the other magical girls that Madoka saved: the soul gem shattered and they faded out of existence. Madoka doesn't make live appearances. Homura may have been a special case as Madoka's favorite, but she wouldn't have needed all the fanfare: by escaping the seal and the Soul Gem, she would already have been right there. Ditto the witches' familiars setting all the people Homura drew into her barrier down on the ground, asleep, around Homura's altar.

So what's the point of all this? Simple: This is Homura's afterlife as a magical girl. That's why Sayaka can still resist Homura's influence; they're peers in Heaven. Madoka knows full well how much pain Homura lived through and how deeply lonely and saddened she was, how helpless she felt, how much she hated herself for even trying. What we have here isn't a universe under the control of an evil goddess, what we have here is a literal purgatory: this is why Madoka is surprised despite her omniscience, because it's not a real timeline or a real universe, it's basically a thought exercise so that Homura can work through all her pain before moving on. Madoka ''is'' purifying her Soul Gem, but Homura's carrying so much more pain than the average magical girl that it requires a much more elaborate process to cleanse it. Recall the last things Kyubey told Madoka before she left the emergency shelter: it's not possible for Homura to stop fighting or to give up, or she'll lose everything. As a product of that universe, Homura ''will'' continue fighting forever if she has to.

So, long story short: the point of the Homuniverse is for Homura to finally exhaust all her options for protecting Madoka, until she's ready to give up and accept her own death. None of it is happening in the real world.


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[[WMG: Another theory on what a sequel could look like]]
So this troper has been thinking a lot about what he'd do to pick up and conclude the story from where Rebellion left off, and have it done in a way that would fit the tone of the show and movies... And this is the ending I came up with:
* Madoka's system is still somehow in place even if Madoka herself isn't actively aware of her part in it, though she's still tied to the Law of Cycles in a sort of "Piccolo and Kami from DBZ" kind of way.
* At some point, Madoka stumbles upon Mami or Sayaka or someone else doing battle with a Wraith
* The sight of this causes Madoka's memories to start surfacing.
* Homura intervenes and tries to calm Madoka down again.
* [[NiceJobBreakingItHero As a direct result of this]], Madoka is hit by one of the Wraith's attacks and dies. [[FromBadToWorse This then causes the entire Homuverse to completely collapse.]]
* [[ShootTheShaggyDog Madokami now dead, the entire Law of the Cycles system is also completely torn down and the entire universe reverts back to how it was back at the beginning of the story.]]
* Homura wakes up right back in the hospital, still somehow remembering everything that's happened, but somehow her powers are all gone. She is no longer a devil, a witch, or even a magical girl. Also Madoka is still dead.
* As a result of her having now been directly involved with the rewriting of the universe no less than three times, the now de-powered Homura suddenly finds herself with the same kind of unfathomable magic potential Madoka had in the show.
* Kyubey naturally takes an interest and approaches her about this, and Homura thinks that she ''could'' use this chance to bring Madoka back to life.
* However, realizing that literally every single attempt she's made to save Madoka has inevitably ended in horrible failure, she finally accepts that this is futile, and decides that if she can't save Madoka's ''life'', she can at least honor her by trying to restore Madoka's ''solution'', which she herself is at this point 100% responsible for messing up.
* Thus, Homura ends up making the exact same wish Madoka made in the series, restoring Madoka's world with herself as the "Law of Cycles" in place of Madoka. [[BittersweetEnding So while Madoka remains dead, Homura has found a way to atone for her monumental fuck-up and set things right, nobody remains in the new world to tell Kyubey about the witches and so the events of Rebellion will never repeat themselves]], and there will never be another sequel again because seriously guys, the story is clearly over right now and there is no possible way to make any further stories with these characters!

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The plot of rebellion is based (loosely) on [[ParadiseLost paradise lost.]] One thing about paradise lost is [[SympathyForTheDevil the devil is often said to be more sympathetic than God.]] By leaving Homucifers motives ambiguous, plus the parallels to paradise lost, the creators are basically encouraging [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation alternate character interpretation]]

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The plot of rebellion is based (loosely) on [[ParadiseLost paradise lost.]] ''Literature/ParadiseLost''. One thing about paradise lost is [[SympathyForTheDevil the devil is often said to be more sympathetic than God.]] By leaving Homucifers motives ambiguous, plus the parallels to paradise lost, the creators are basically encouraging [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation alternate character interpretation]]
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[[WMG: Nagisa is just pretending to have lost her memories.]]
We can assume that, like Sayaka, Nagisa is strictly loyal to Madokami, right? Going with that, what if Nagisa remembers everything in Akuma Homura's new universe and is just pretending to have forgotten? Homura only erased Sayaka's memories when Sayaka made a passionate outcry against her. Meanwhile, assuming Nagisa also remembered, the young magical girl doesn't say anything to Akuma Homura and instead runs around laughing and playing. Since she never gave Akuma Homura any reason to believe she remembers, Akuma Homura may have neglected to erase her memories, letting Nagisa keep her memories, hide her cards, and giving her time to come up with a way to restore Madokami. Might sound a little too complicated for an elementary kid to get, but Nagisa definitely proved she's advanced for her age during the movie.
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* Perhaps not - post-usurpation Homura indicates that she doesn't care whether Madoka returns her feelings (or perhaps she expects that Madoka never would if she ever found what she had done). Though that's not to say Homura couldn't still be in emotional turmoil over it under the surface. It does ask, though, whether someone else could...
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[[WMG: Sorry, Homura, but Madoka's just not that into you.]]
I think, given everything that's happened, it's safe to say that Homura is in love with Madoka, as in romantic feelings and a sexual attraction. I mean, the subtext is freaking everywhere at this point. But, unless I'm mistaken, Madoka hasn't shown much in the way of romantic/sexual attraction towards Homura. She loves her, certainly, but as a friend, closer than any of the others, even Sayaka. But maybe Madoka is, well, straight, and thus can't reciprocate those feelings in the same way.

While it would probably end with the director and writer being murdered in an alley by shippers (just a joke, please don't hurt me!), after the events of Rebellion, it'd be one last twist of the knife for Homura. Madoka just can't feel the way towards Homura that Homura feels towards Madoka, just through a quirk of biology, and it might be the catalyst that makes everything just fall apart one more time...
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[[WMG: Madokami knew what was going to happen the whole time.]]
Remember in the plane between worlds where Madoka says that she sees all possible universes, including those not yet born? You know what wasn't born just yet? The new universe that Homurakuma reordered when she ascended herself, and possibly whatever universe Post-Madokami-ascension!Homura was swapped into.
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Take Christianity, how its worship of an all loving MessianicArchetype degenerated into the fanatical ''BURN THE HERETIC!'' and add more MoeMoe into the fanaticism which would multiply the fanaticism by a thousand. Madoka being Madoka would rather have a religion around her dismantled than to have another fanatical Dark Ages inbound.

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Take Christianity, how its worship of an all loving MessianicArchetype degenerated into the fanatical ''BURN THE HERETIC!'' and add more MoeMoe {{Moe}} into the fanaticism which would multiply the fanaticism by a thousand. Madoka being Madoka would rather have a religion around her dismantled than to have another fanatical Dark Ages inbound.

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A number of events then happen which culminate to Kyubey's HeroicSacrifice to save the girls.

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A number of events then happen which culminate to Kyubey's HeroicSacrifice to save the girls.girls.

[[WMG: ''YuukiYuunaWaYuushaDeAru'' takes place in the aftermath of the eventual Godoka/Homucifer battle.]]

Earth would probably receive a lot of collateral damage; ''YYY'' takes place in a post-apocalyptic world.

In this scenario, Homucifer wins and becomes Shinju-sama. Shinju's tree form may allude to ''DantesInferno'' in how suicides supposedly become trees in Hell, and of course Homura displays strong suicidal tendencies. The fairies in ''YYY'' are either enslaved Incubators or Familiars, and the Vertexes could be Witches released from a degraded Law of Cycles.
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After Homura's bizarre dance in the grassy field in TheStinger, he'll slink away in order to find Madoka and the other girls. He'll warns them to beware the girl named Homura Akemi and that she will be the greatest enemy they will ever know. Perhaps he'll even attempt to tell them about the events of Rebellion too. His CharacterDevelopment will revolve around his newly acquired emotions; at first, he will act only in his race's best interest, but over time he'll gain a genuine concern for the girls. Which will, of course, be something he will be consistently incredulous about.

A number of events then happen which culminate to Kyubey's HeroicSacrifice to save the girls.

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