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[[WMG: The Nameless One is a [[TheElricSaga facet of the Eternal Champion.]]]]
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[[WMG: The Nameless One is a [[TheElricSaga [[Literature/TheElricSaga facet of the Eternal Champion.]]]]
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* Alternatively, going by 4e PointsOfLight story, The Nameless One is the person who originally made contact with the Obryith lords; he was a follower of Tharizdun and established a link between his god and the original demons, which lead to the shard of evil being forced into the universe, lead to Tharizdun going mad, lead to the creation of the Abyss itself, the primeval war between law and chaos, and eventually the Blood War and now the Abyssal Plague.
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* Alternatively, going by 4e PointsOfLight ''TabletopGame/PointsOfLight'' story, The Nameless One is the person who originally made contact with the Obryith lords; he was a follower of Tharizdun and established a link between his god and the original demons, which lead to the shard of evil being forced into the universe, lead to Tharizdun going mad, lead to the creation of the Abyss itself, the primeval war between law and chaos, and eventually the Blood War and now the Abyssal Plague.
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The {{Planescape}} setting already features a massive conflict between [[OrderVersusChaos Law and Chaos]] (The Blood War), and The Nameless One happens to be a tragic, [[{{Badass}} extremely powerful individual]] condemned to fight that war for eternity (Or at least, until the Planes die off). The DungeonsAndDragons multiverse could very well be a part of ''the'' Multiverse.
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The {{Planescape}} TabletopGame/{{Planescape}} setting already features a massive conflict between [[OrderVersusChaos Law and Chaos]] (The Blood War), and The Nameless One happens to be a tragic, [[{{Badass}} extremely powerful individual]] condemned to fight that war for eternity (Or at least, until the Planes die off). The DungeonsAndDragons ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' multiverse could very well be a part of ''the'' Multiverse.
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[[WMG: The First Incarnation did nothing [[PokeThePoodle exceedingly horrendous at all]]]]
But since the Planescape universe runs on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve he basically convinced himself that his deed was so [[MoralEventHorizon vile]] that eternal torment that no amount of good deeds will make up for is the appropriate punishment.
But since the Planescape universe runs on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve he basically convinced himself that his deed was so [[MoralEventHorizon vile]] that eternal torment that no amount of good deeds will make up for is the appropriate punishment.
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[[WMG: The First Incarnation was responsible for the death of the first [[TheSandman Despair]]]]
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[[WMG: The First Incarnation was responsible for the death of the first [[TheSandman [[ComicBook/TheSandman Despair]]]]
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[[WMG: The Nameless One's true name is [[spoiler:Calvin]]]]
and his crime wasn't a NoodleIncident, it was [[spoiler: THE noodle incident]].
and his crime wasn't a NoodleIncident, it was [[spoiler: THE noodle incident]].
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[[WMG: The First Incarnation was responsible for the death of the first [[TheSandman Despair]]]]
Despair's killer was described as taking the rest of eternity to die, and this seems to be The Nameless One's fate until he's able to break it, the end result of which is being condemned to the Blood War regardless. Killing an aspect of one of the Endless would likely be a monumental enough crime to fit the one described in the game. In terms of world-building, tone and theme, the universes of Planescape and The Sandman would mesh well.
Despair's killer was described as taking the rest of eternity to die, and this seems to be The Nameless One's fate until he's able to break it, the end result of which is being condemned to the Blood War regardless. Killing an aspect of one of the Endless would likely be a monumental enough crime to fit the one described in the game. In terms of world-building, tone and theme, the universes of Planescape and The Sandman would mesh well.
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[[WMG: The Nameless One is the admiral responsible for the destruction of an entire world recorded in the Sensate Stones.]]
Think about it. First, the First Incarnation is said to have felt a tremendous amount of regret, which led him to seek immortality. Now, the stone that shows this memory is described as the one the Sensates use to feel regret. Next, we are talking about a crime (the destruction of a world) that seems more adapted to a sci-fi setting than to the Planescape one. It makes sense, however, if you imagine that the destruction of an entire world in a Multiverse where real, material worlds are ... well, now there is only one, would definitely uspet the balance between Good and Evil, causing the decay of the Planes that the First Incarnation feel responsible first. That theory also explains how the Nameless One could recognize his name when he finally finds it (although it doesn't explain the rest about how it is a simple thing, I admit). Anyway, it's only a theory.
Think about it. First, the First Incarnation is said to have felt a tremendous amount of regret, which led him to seek immortality. Now, the stone that shows this memory is described as the one the Sensates use to feel regret. Next, we are talking about a crime (the destruction of a world) that seems more adapted to a sci-fi setting than to the Planescape one. It makes sense, however, if you imagine that the destruction of an entire world in a Multiverse where real, material worlds are ... well, now there is only one, would definitely uspet the balance between Good and Evil, causing the decay of the Planes that the First Incarnation feel responsible first. That theory also explains how the Nameless One could recognize his name when he finally finds it (although it doesn't explain the rest about how it is a simple thing, I admit). Anyway, it's only a theory.
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* Jossed. The Blood War ends in Fourth Edition, and the Planes are just fine.
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* Dishonored: Granny Rags, the blind old witch who lives in her apartment, with magic powers and [[spoiler:control over the plague rats]].
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[[WMG: Yemeth was the Nameless One's first incarnation, or at least a very early incarnation.]]
Although the content was dummied out for the most part in the released game, Yemeth was canonically an incredibly powerful wizard who created a pendant that supposedly made the wearer immortal by consuming souls. Now, does this sound at all like how the Nameless One's present form of immortality functions?
Furthermore, the name is brought up in relation to the Nameless One twice; once in the Tomb of Death that the Paranoid Incarnation created, a second time when speaking to the Pillar of Skulls. In both occasions, the name is brought as the last of a list of appellations or titles referring to the Nameless One's past. This suggests that Yemeth was, if not the very first incarnation of the Nameless One, than one of the first.
Although the content was dummied out for the most part in the released game, Yemeth was canonically an incredibly powerful wizard who created a pendant that supposedly made the wearer immortal by consuming souls. Now, does this sound at all like how the Nameless One's present form of immortality functions?
Furthermore, the name is brought up in relation to the Nameless One twice; once in the Tomb of Death that the Paranoid Incarnation created, a second time when speaking to the Pillar of Skulls. In both occasions, the name is brought as the last of a list of appellations or titles referring to the Nameless One's past. This suggests that Yemeth was, if not the very first incarnation of the Nameless One, than one of the first.
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**** According to canon source material, the Baatezu and Tanar'ri first met millennia before they discovered man, which means the Blood War probably predates mortals.
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* Alternately, he is the reason the Blood War is ''necessary'' in the '''first''' place. He is the reason why fiends outnumber celestial by so much, why Good Outsiders, naturally-occurring and independent from deities in terms of both creation and growth (like [[http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lillend.htm lillends]]), are so much rarer than similarly natured Evil Outsiders. Somehow, the Nameless One fundamentally and permanently shifted the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil towards the side of evil. What else could condemn a man to hell, no matter how much he changed as a person or did to make up for it?
* Alternately, he is the reason the Blood War is ''necessary'' in the '''first''' place. He is the reason why fiends outnumber celestial by so much, why Good Outsiders, naturally-occurring and independent from deities in terms of both creation and growth (like [[http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lillend.htm lillends]]), are so much rarer than similarly natured Evil Outsiders. Somehow, the Nameless One fundamentally and permanently shifted the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil towards the side of evil. What else could condemn a man to hell, no matter how much he changed as a person or did to make up for it?
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Lemme get the first big problem out of the way. When the Nameless One learns his name, he remarks to the Good Incarnation "That was my name all along? But if I was-" As if he knew the name, had heard it before a number of times, but had thought it impossible to be his. Because it belonged to someone supposedly of the opposite gender, for example. History got mixed up a little somehow.
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Lemme get the first big problem out of the way. When the Nameless One learns his name, he muses that it's "a simple thing, not at all what he expected," and remarks to the Good Incarnation "That was my name all along? But if I was-" As if he knew the name, had heard it before a number of times, but had thought it impossible to be his. Because it belonged to someone supposedly of the opposite gender, for example. History got mixed up a little somehow.
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[[WMG: The Nameless One's real name is Gith.]]
Lemme get the first big problem out of the way. When the Nameless One learns his name, he remarks to the Good Incarnation "That was my name all along? But if I was-" As if he knew the name, had heard it before a number of times, but had thought it impossible to be his. Because it belonged to someone supposedly of the opposite gender, for example. History got mixed up a little somehow.
Gith created and led a race of xenocidal, slaving sociopaths - more than enough to condemn someone to the Blood War. The last thing Gith did before dropping off the radar forever was descending into the lower planes - officially to gather allies, but actually to seek Ravel's aid in attaining immortality. Why would he tell the truth to a race her regretted creating? And every Githyanki in all the planes knows instinctively that, somehow, Gith lives, but is lost to them.
Lemme get the first big problem out of the way. When the Nameless One learns his name, he remarks to the Good Incarnation "That was my name all along? But if I was-" As if he knew the name, had heard it before a number of times, but had thought it impossible to be his. Because it belonged to someone supposedly of the opposite gender, for example. History got mixed up a little somehow.
Gith created and led a race of xenocidal, slaving sociopaths - more than enough to condemn someone to the Blood War. The last thing Gith did before dropping off the radar forever was descending into the lower planes - officially to gather allies, but actually to seek Ravel's aid in attaining immortality. Why would he tell the truth to a race her regretted creating? And every Githyanki in all the planes knows instinctively that, somehow, Gith lives, but is lost to them.
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**** According to canon source material, the Baatezu and Tanar'ri first met millennia before they discovered man, which means the Blood War probably predates mortals.
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* DragonAge: Flemeth, an old hermit crone with intense magical powers and extraordinary longevity
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* DragonAge: ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': Flemeth, an old hermit crone with intense magical powers and extraordinary longevity
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** It also means that the Nameless One simultaneously fulfills the role of Christ, at the end.
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*** More like twenty very dead ones. Her Serenity doesn't take deities messing with what's hers well. Remember Aoskar.
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* {{Fable}}: Theresa, blind seeress possessed of incredible longevity and arcane magical knowledge
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[[WMG: Morte is Bob from Literature/TheDresdenFiles.]]
A perverted skull with only a tenuous grip of common morality?
A perverted skull with only a tenuous grip of common morality?
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** If PST follows the rules of {{PlaneScape}}, Gate ''cannot'' penetrate the Lady of Pain's defense. Nothing can. If twenty gods teamed up to batter down her barrier, it would result in twenty very frustrated gods.
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[[WMG: The Nameless One's great sin was ''pride''.]]
The belief that ''your'' sin is so horrible that it, alone of all sins, is unforgivable, is itself the sin of pride. He probably did something genuinely very bad, but was too proud to seek forgiveness. That's what led him to Ravel....
The belief that ''your'' sin is so horrible that it, alone of all sins, is unforgivable, is itself the sin of pride. He probably did something genuinely very bad, but was too proud to seek forgiveness. That's what led him to Ravel....
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It was [[TheBible Adam]].
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It was [[TheBible [[Literature/TheBible Adam]].
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Less brilliant, but like a [[Series/DoctorWho certain other nameless, centuries-old living myth]], the Nameless One might be the origin of the word Torment, it having come to mean what it does only through association with his actions.
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Less brilliant, but like a [[Series/DoctorWho certain other nameless, centuries-old living myth]], the Nameless One might be the origin of the word Torment, it having come to mean what it does only through association with his actions.
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A crime so massive and downright evil that the planes seem to be slowly dying of it? The Blood War fits the bill well enough. Far back in a time before even surviving myth, the original incarnation instigated the Blood War for fun, profit or an ideal, and ended up causing a tumult that would endure for millenia, killing thousands by the hour. Therefore his ultimate fate: to fight as a soldier in a war of his own making.
** The problem is that the Blood War has never had much in the way of collateral damage. It's always been contained to the lower planes, and is viewed by most everyone as a ''positive'' thing. It keeps the demons and devils occupied so they don't conquer the multiverse.
** The problem is that the Blood War has never had much in the way of collateral damage. It's always been contained to the lower planes, and is viewed by most everyone as a ''positive'' thing. It keeps the demons and devils occupied so they don't conquer the multiverse.
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A crime so massive and downright evil that the planes seem to be slowly dying of it? The Blood War fits the bill well enough. Far back in a time before even surviving myth, the original incarnation instigated the Blood War for fun, profit or an ideal, and ended up causing a tumult that would endure for millenia, killing thousands by the hour. Therefore his ultimate fate: to fight as a soldier in a war of his own making.
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** The problem is that the Blood War has never had much in the way of collateral damage. It's always been contained to the lower planes, and is viewed by most everyone as a ''positive'' thing. It keeps the demons and devils occupied so they don't conquer the multiverse.
** The problem is that the Blood War has never had much in the way of collateral damage. It's always been contained to the lower planes, and is viewed by most everyone as a ''positive'' thing. It keeps the demons and devils occupied so they don't conquer the multiverse.
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Because I can't think of any worse crime than creating a entity that desires to destroy all universes, and succeeding in many of its attempts. Of course, it has probably forgotten its maker, and now attributes entropy as its creator and commander.
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He's heartless, he used to be human, and he carries an axe.
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[[WMG: ''Planescape: Torment'' is a sequel of ''[[BaldursGate Baldur's Gate]]'']]
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[[WMG: The Nameless One is [[DoctorWho the Doctor]]]]
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The Nameless One is the [[HalfHumanHybrid Child]] [[AnythingThatMoves of]] [[RapeIsOkayIfItsDivineOnMortal Bhaal]] if he were a Human male, followed the evil path and chose to remain a mere mortal being. After some times, he began to regret his deeds, and found a way to become immortal, so he would have the time to fix his numerous mistakes. [[GoneHorriblyWrong It went horribly wrong]]...
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The Nameless One is the [[HalfHumanHybrid Child]] [[AnythingThatMoves of]] [[RapeIsOkayIfItsDivineOnMortal [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal Bhaal]] if he were a Human male, followed the evil path and chose to remain a mere mortal being. After some times, he began to regret his deeds, and found a way to become immortal, so he would have the time to fix his numerous mistakes. [[GoneHorriblyWrong It went horribly wrong]]...
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** Specifically, Fell was the first (and so far only) Dabus to worship a god. He chose to become a worshipper of Aoskar. The Lady didn't take that well. At all. That is why Annah is so afraid of him.
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[[WMG: The Nameless One is Perrine, founder of the Godsmen]]
Because it would be [[DeconstructorFleet just like this game]] if the founder of the Godsmen started that faction based on nothing more than the desperate hope that even someone like him could escape damnation and attain divinity.
[[WMG: Alternatively, The Nameless One founded every faction, or at least every faction he can join during the game]]
When he saw how the conflict between his factions, each of which was founded with the best intentions, was tearing the planes apart, the Good Incarnation repented of what he had done, and realized that he might need several lifetimes to make up for it. This would also explain why he feels no disconnect in joining any or all of them in a single playthrough.
Because it would be [[DeconstructorFleet just like this game]] if the founder of the Godsmen started that faction based on nothing more than the desperate hope that even someone like him could escape damnation and attain divinity.
[[WMG: Alternatively, The Nameless One founded every faction, or at least every faction he can join during the game]]
When he saw how the conflict between his factions, each of which was founded with the best intentions, was tearing the planes apart, the Good Incarnation repented of what he had done, and realized that he might need several lifetimes to make up for it. This would also explain why he feels no disconnect in joining any or all of them in a single playthrough.
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Not just because the guy usually plays archetypal traitors and liars, but because of his role in {{Memento}}, which, without going into spoilery detail, is broadly similar to Morte's in Planescape. On top of that, they even act and sound similar, with the same outward DeadpanSnarker front.
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Not just because the guy usually plays archetypal traitors and liars, but because of his role in {{Memento}}, ''Film/{{Memento}}'', which, without going into spoilery detail, is broadly similar to Morte's in Planescape. On top of that, they even act and sound similar, with the same outward DeadpanSnarker front.
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[[WMG: The Nameless One is [[DoctorWho the Doctor]]]]
[[http://everything2.com/user/Hazelnut/writeups/The+Doctor+is+the+Nameless+One+from+Planescape%253A+Torment Read the full story here.]]
[[http://everything2.com/user/Hazelnut/writeups/The+Doctor+is+the+Nameless+One+from+Planescape%253A+Torment Read the full story here.]]
