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The Nameless One is the Child of Bhaal if he were a Human male, followed the evil path and chose to remain a mere mortal being. After some times, he began to regret his deeds, and found a way to become immortal, so he would have the time to fix his numerous mistakes. [[GoneHorriblyWrong It went horribly wrong]]...
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[[''Baldur's Gate'']]]]
The Nameless One is theChild of Bhaal [[HalfHumanHybrid Child]] [[AnythingThatMoves of]] [[RapeIsOkayIfItsDivineOnMortal Bhaal]] if he were a Human male, followed the evil path and chose to remain a mere mortal being. After some times, he began to regret his deeds, and found a way to become immortal, so he would have the time to fix his numerous mistakes. [[GoneHorriblyWrong It went horribly wrong]]...
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* It certainly makes sense to me. After all, how does The Nameless One gain the memory in the bronze sphere? By feeling regret. How can he take full advantage of it? By '''accepting''' the regret, accepting all the evil, all the sins, all the pain his existence has caused to the point where he can weaponize it. Honestly, if you went through all that, the only logical conclusion is that he would, upon feeling full and complete regret for all his incarnations' actions, willingly take the punishment upon himself.
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It was Adam.[[TheBible Adam]].
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** It makes me wonder what happened to Eve, though.
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* Except, depending on your ending, he's ''not'' guaranteed to join either side. In the best ending, I expect him to keep being good.
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* SilentHill: Dahlia Gillespie, evil, demonic witch extraordinaire. Dahlia is probably only just becoming one of Ravel's avatars, and the first hint is her looking ancient while really being only 40.
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** And from a bit of a meta perspective, the answer the game essentially gives you (the player) is "your choice." From certain theological perspectives, Adam and Eve chose to exercise their wills and disobey God. This one DOES make a scary and remarkably awesome amount of sense.
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Less brilliant, but like a [[DoctorWho certain other nameless, centuries-old living myth]], the Nameless One might be the origin of the word Torment, it having come to mean what it does only through association with his actions.
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Less brilliant, but like a [[DoctorWho [[Series/DoctorWho certain other nameless, centuries-old living myth]], the Nameless One might be the origin of the word Torment, it having come to mean what it does only through association with his actions.
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* That... makes a [[FridgeHorror terrible amount of sense.]]
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* This may be my favourite theory I've ever read on WMG. To expand on the points in favour: if one assumes the Christian parallels fit, this slots neatly into the First Incarnation's story, as he commits a sin so grave the planes have been dying ever since. As mentioned, the Nameless One always lies that his name is Adahn, and when discovering his name realises that it's a simple thing, and not what he expected - the name Adam being deceptively simple. Further, this puts a new spin on the game's central question: "What can change the nature of a man?" Adam means, essentially, 'man'.
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Less brilliant, but like a [[DoctorWho certain other nameless, centuries-old living myth]], the Nameless One might be the origin of the word Torment, it having come to mean what it does only through association with his actions.
* This may be my favourite theory I've ever read on WMG. To expand on the points in favour: if one assumes the Christian parallels fit, this slots neatly into the First Incarnation's story, as he commits a sin so grave the planes have been dying ever since. As mentioned, the Nameless One always lies that his name is Adahn, and when discovering his name realises that it's a simple thing, and not what he expected - the name Adam being deceptively simple. Further, this puts a new spin on the game's central question: "What can change the nature of a man?" Adam means, essentially, 'man'.
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Less brilliant, but like a [[DoctorWho certain other nameless, centuries-old living myth]], the Nameless One might be the origin of the word Torment, it having come to mean what it does only through association with his actions.
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* VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines: Pisha the Nagaraja, a flesh eating vampire living underneath an abandoned hospital, with a vast knowledge of magic and the future.
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* That... makes a [[FridgeHorror terrible amount of sense.]]
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*Ao is really an idiot.
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OK, this may not seem like much, but upon arriving in the hellish Planes, he picks up a weapon, nods and goes into battle. Sure, it could be a "yeah, that's a neat weapon" nod, or a "OK, let's go kick some ass" nod, but in a story where many little details seem to have real significance, this little gesture shows like he's making a decision. So he has a choice. Then, just perhaps, The Nameless One has kept his incredible power but, after remembering his past lives, accepts that he has to redeem himself. Note that - as mentioned above - he keeps his human body, that there is a "what can change the nature of man?" voiceover, and that he didn't seem to die before undergoing his belated punishment - it looks like he was pulled bodily into another plane. Hence he probably didn't forget things. And knowledge, like belief, seems to be a very important thing in the Planes. And lastly, but very importantly - why would the Nameless One lose his incredible power? There is nothing that indicates he did.
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OK, this may not seem like much, but upon arriving in the hellish Planes, he picks up a weapon, nods and goes into battle. Sure, it could be a "yeah, that's a neat weapon" nod, or a "OK, let's go kick some ass" nod, but in a story where many little details seem to have real significance, this little gesture shows like suggests that he's making a decision. So he has a choice. Then, just perhaps, The Nameless One has kept his incredible power but, after remembering his past lives, accepts that he has to redeem himself. Note that - as mentioned above - he keeps his human body, that there is a "what can change the nature of man?" voiceover, and that he didn't seem to die before undergoing his belated punishment - it looks like he was pulled bodily into another plane. Hence he probably didn't forget things. And knowledge, like belief, seems to be a very important thing in the Planes. And lastly, but very importantly - why would the Nameless One lose his incredible power? There is nothing that indicates he did.
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OK, this may not seem like much, but upon arriving in the hellish Planes, he picks up a weapon, nods and goes into battle. Sure, it could be "yeah, that's a neat weapon" or a "OK, let's go kick some ass", but in a story where many little details seem to have real significance, this little gesture shows like he's making a decision. So he has a choice. Then, just perhaps, The Nameless One has kept his incredible power but, after remembering his past lives, accepts that he has to redeem himself. Note that - as mentioned above - he keeps his human body, that there is a "what can change the nature of man?" voiceover, and that he didn't seem to die before undergoing his belated punishment - it looks like he was pulled bodily into another plane. Hence he probably didn't forget things. And knowledge, like belief, seems to be a very important thing in the Planes. And lastly, but very importantly - why would the Nameless One lose his incredible power? There is nothing that indicates he did.
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OK, this may not seem like much, but upon arriving in the hellish Planes, he picks up a weapon, nods and goes into battle. Sure, it could be a "yeah, that's a neat weapon" nod, or a "OK, let's go kick some ass", ass" nod, but in a story where many little details seem to have real significance, this little gesture shows like he's making a decision. So he has a choice. Then, just perhaps, The Nameless One has kept his incredible power but, after remembering his past lives, accepts that he has to redeem himself. Note that - as mentioned above - he keeps his human body, that there is a "what can change the nature of man?" voiceover, and that he didn't seem to die before undergoing his belated punishment - it looks like he was pulled bodily into another plane. Hence he probably didn't forget things. And knowledge, like belief, seems to be a very important thing in the Planes. And lastly, but very importantly - why would the Nameless One lose his incredible power? There is nothing that indicates he did.
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OK, this may not seem like much, but upon arriving in the hellish Planes, he picks up a weapon, nods and goes into battle. Sure, it could be "yeah, that's a neat weapon" or a "OK, let's go kick some ass", but in a story where many little details seem to have real significance, this little gesture shows like he's making a decision. So he has a choice. Then, just perhaps, The Nameless One has kept his incredible power but, after remembering his past lives, accepts that he has to redeem himself. Note that - as mentioned above - he keeps his human body, that there is a "what can change the nature of man?" voiceover, and that he didn't seem to die before undergoing his belated punishment - it looks like he was pulled bodily into another plane. Hence he probably didn't forget things. And knowledge, like belief, seems to be a very important thing in the Planes. And lastly, but very importantly - why would the Nameless One lose his incredible power? There is nothing that indicates he did.
OK, this may not seem like much, but upon arriving in the hellish Planes, he picks up a weapon, nods and goes into battle. Sure, it could be "yeah, that's a neat weapon" or a "OK, let's go kick some ass", but in a story where many little details seem to have real significance, this little gesture shows like he's making a decision. So he has a choice. Then, just perhaps, The Nameless One has kept his incredible power but, after remembering his past lives, accepts that he has to redeem himself. Note that - as mentioned above - he keeps his human body, that there is a "what can change the nature of man?" voiceover, and that he didn't seem to die before undergoing his belated punishment - it looks like he was pulled bodily into another plane. Hence he probably didn't forget things. And knowledge, like belief, seems to be a very important thing in the Planes. And lastly, but very importantly - why would the Nameless One lose his incredible power? There is nothing that indicates he did.
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Think about it: petitioners retain no memories of their former lives, and petitioners sent to fight in the blood war are incarnated as grotesque creatures like Lemures (see the original campaign setting material if you don't believe me.) When the Nameless One wakes up in the Grey Wastes, he's still in his human body, and his remembrance of Ravel's words suggests he still has his memories. This is a Very Bad Thing since the Nameless One now has the memories and abilities of over a thousand lifetimes. Either side of the war he joins will have a serious advantage, and this may even lead to the end of the Blood War. The campaign setting material makes it very clear that the Blood War is the only thing keeping the Demons and Devil's from attacking other plains. Therefore the Nameless One's reclamation of his mortality ended up dooming all of reality!
Think about it: petitioners retain no memories of their former lives, and petitioners sent to fight in the blood war are incarnated as grotesque creatures like Lemures (see the original campaign setting material if you don't believe me.) When the Nameless One wakes up in the Grey Wastes, he's still in his human body, and his remembrance of Ravel's words suggests he still has his memories. This is a Very Bad Thing since the Nameless One now has the memories and abilities of over a thousand lifetimes. Either side of the war he joins will have a serious advantage, and this may even lead to the end of the Blood War. The campaign setting material makes it very clear that the Blood War is the only thing keeping the Demons and Devil's from attacking other plains. Therefore the Nameless One's reclamation of his mortality ended up dooming all of reality!
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*** Yeah, the Blood War is a ''good'' thing. It keeps the demons and devils fighting each other instead of overrunning the rest of the cosmos.
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* Alternatively, going by 4e PointsOfLight story, The Nameless One is the person who originally made contact with the Obryith lords; he was a follower of Tharizdun and established a link between his god and the original demons, which lead to the shard of evil being forced into the universe, lead to Tharizdun going mad, lead to the creation of the Abyss itself, the primeval war between law and chaos, and eventually the Blood War and now the Abyssal Plague.
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* Godsbane...the avatar of the god Mask? Helped only so much?
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** The problem is that the Blood War has never had much in the way of collateral damage. It's always been contained to the lower planes, and is viewed by most everyone as a ''positive'' thing. It keeps the demons and devils occupied so they don't conquer the multiverse.
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The {{Planescape}} setting already features a massive conflict between [[OrderVersusChaos Law and Chaos]] (The Blood War), and The Nameless One happens to be a tragic, [[{{Badass}} extremely powerful individual]] condemned to fight that war for eternity (Or at least, until the Planes die off). The DungeonAndDragons multiverse could very well be a part of ''the'' Multiverse.
The {{Planescape}} setting already features a massive conflict between [[OrderVersusChaos Law and Chaos]] (The Blood War), and The Nameless One happens to be a tragic, [[{{Badass}} extremely powerful individual]] condemned to fight that war for eternity (Or at least, until the Planes die off). The DungeonAndDragons multiverse could very well be a part of ''the'' Multiverse.
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* Fell was a canon NPC in [[{{Planescape}} the source material]], so that might explain why he's so well developed.
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*After more study of the Planescape setting, I shall elaborate. The Nameless One was formerly a fanatical Doomguard, and created Coaxmetal as the ultimate tool of entropy. However, he abandoned the Doomguard after realising what he had done.
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* Hell, I'd rather have him as the healer than Fall-From-Grace. I'm totally going to mod him in as a party member.
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Because it just makes so much sense. All the other party members have their own contradictions (a chaste Succubus, an enslaved Gith, and so on,) and so the idea of a Dabus who has fallen out of favour with the Lady of Pain fits so well. In addition, there seems to be something missing from Fell's Tattoo parlor. He's a guy who knows you, tattoos play a massive part in the game, he's relevant to your back story. Plus he's interesting. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just get this incredible feeling that, at least in one stage of development, they had Fell down as a potential party member.
Because it just makes so much sense. All the other party members have their own contradictions (a chaste Succubus, an enslaved Gith, and so on,) and so the idea of a Dabus who has fallen out of favour with the Lady of Pain fits so well. In addition, there seems to be something missing from Fell's Tattoo parlor. He's a guy who knows you, tattoos play a massive part in the game, he's relevant to your back story. Plus he's interesting. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just get this incredible feeling that, at least in one stage of development, they had Fell down as a potential party member.
