History WMG / Pinocchio

This came from a page on TVTropes that states that some of the people he hired would expect to be paid. He's actually ''losing money'' rather than gaining. How's that for LaserGuidedKarma?
* What makes you think he's paying them? For all we know, the people he hired could only be working for him becuase he's, say, [[{{Main/Blackmail}} blackmailing]] them, or even [[ImpliedDeathThreat threatening their lives.]]

Notice how the coachman is implied to be a [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman nonhuman being]] mostly because of his four-fingered hands, his preferred method of punishing children, which may involve magic and his memorable NightmareFace. Since he's strongly implied to be the freaking devil himself, and we all know that the DisneyAnimatedCanon's UltimateEvil and own version of Satan is [[{{Disney/Fantasia}} Chernabog]] himself, it's safe to assume both characters are one and the same. But how? You may wonder given Chernabog himself is a SealedEvilInACan who is encased in Bald Mountain every morning and is only allowed to reveal himself at nighttime, it'd be impossible for him to leave the place. However, he possesses some decidedly EldritchAbomination qualities, so it's probably possible that, like good ol' Nyarlathotep (i know he's not sealed, but [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyarlathotep#Table_of_forms has made several avatars for himself]]) he has created many avatars of himself as well to spread chaos and evil in a more efficient way, the coachman being one of them.

Notice how the coachman is implied to be a [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman nonhuman being]] mostly because of his four-fingered hands, his preferred method of punishing children, which may involve magic and his memorable NightmareFace. Since he's strongly implied to be the freaking devil himself, and we all know that the DisneyAnimatedCanon's UltimateEvil and own version of Satan is [[{{Disney/Fantasia}} Chernabog]] himself, it's safe to assume both characters are one and the same. But how? You may wonder given Chernabog himself is a SealedEvilInACan who is encased in Bald Mountain every morning and is only allowed to reveal himself at nighttime, it'd be impossible for him to leave the place. However, he possesses some decidedly EldritchAbomination qualities, so it's probably possible that, like good ol' Nyarlathotep (i know he's not sealed, but has made several avatars for himself) he has created many avatars of himself to spread chaos and evil in a more efficient way, the coachman being one of them.

Notice how the coachman is implied to be a [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman nonhuman being]] mostly because of his four-fingered hands, his preferred method of punishing children, which may involve magic and his memorable NightmareFace. Since he's strongly implied to be the freaking devil himself, and we all know that the DisneyAnimatedCanon's UltimateEvil and own version of Satan is [[{{Disney/Fantasia}} Chernabog]] himself, it's safe to assume both characters are one and the same. But how? You may wonder given Chernabog himself is a SealedEvilInACan who is encased in Bald Mountain every day, it'd be impossible for him to leave the place. However, he possesses some decidedly EldritchAbomination qualities, so it's probably possible that, like good ol' Nyarlathotep (i know he's not sealed, but has made several avatars for himself) he has created many avatars of himself to spread chaos and evil in a more efficient way, the coachman being one of them.

Notice how the coachman is implied to be a [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman nonhuman being]] mostly because of his four-fingered hands, his preferred method of punishing children, which may involve magic and his memorable NightmareFace. Since he's strongly implied to be the freaking devil himself, and we all know that the DisneyAnimatedCanon's UltimateEvil and own version of Satan is [[{{Disney/Fantasia}} Chernabog]] himself, it's safe to assume both characters are one and the same. But how? You may wonder given Chernabog himself is a SealedEvilInACan who is encased in Bald Mountain every day, it'd be impossible for him to leave the place. However, he possesses some decidedly EldritchAbomination qualities, so it's probably safe to assume that, like good ol' Nyarlathotep (i know he's not sealed, but has made several avatars for himself) he has created many avatars of himself to spread chaos and evil in a more efficient way, the coachman being one of them.

They are shadow figures and they had glowing eyes, just like the Coachman goons. It could be a possibility that those goons are actually stronger versions of a common shadow heartless

* That's how Pinocchio got to be a real boy, so maybe it applies to the donkeys. Taking a whipping for a co-worker donkey in the salt mines (or kicking the owner who's whipping them), taking the work load for an exhausted one, trying to comfort one who is sick or hurt, there's all sorts of ways they can express these ethics without words. Animals do this in RealLife so why not? If they remember being children, they might even pray.

Jimmy Cricket's idea of being a "conscience" is to scold Pinocchio for missing school, smoking, and [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking "playing pool!"]], but says nothing about all the boys-turned-donkeys being sold into slavery. Pinnocchio never experiences any remorse over the "best friend" who begged him for help. When he's reminded of his donkey ears and tail upon reuniting with his father, he simply laughs about having ears and a tail; his "conscience" says nothing about the boys on Pleasure Island. Basically, Jimmeny Cricket's idea of "morality" is self-preservation, and that's it.

After helping Pinocchio, Jimmeny went on to mentor a young [[DisneyAnimatedCanon/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Claude Frollo]], [[Literature/HarryPotter Dolores Umbridge]], [[DisneyAnimatedCanon/DespicableMe Miss Hattie]], [[Series/XMen Magneto]], various [[Series/JamesBond Bond villains,]] and countless other notable individuals who were as prim and proper as they were cold-hearted bastards.

[[WMG: Monstro is a ''[[UsefulNotes/PrehistoricLifeMammals Livyatan Melvillei]]'' that somehow survived to the present.]]

This would not have been intended by the filmmakers, since the film was released 68 years before ''Livyatan'' was discovered, but he fits the description unbelievably well. As for the traits such as being oversized, this can be chalked up to the way [[PrehistoricMonster the scariness of prehistoric life tends to be exaggerated in fiction]].

Remember when Pinocchio first comes to life, he tells Gepetto that "The Blue Fairy" made him that way? Gepetto seems to know ''exactly'' who he's talking about.

How else would it be possible for Figaro to be Minnie Mouse's cat AND Geppetto's cat?

If Pinocchio himself appears in the movies, than an appearance of a P.I. donkey can be canon too.

** The Blue Fairy would probably do it, but not before reminding the boys that it was their own foolishness that got them in this predicament. She'd give them a second chance and maybe the boys would be better behaved after what happened.

Again, with the boys who were turned into donkeys, it is quite clear that the ones who could not talk were sold to various places (its written on the boxes) such as salt mines. However, what happened to the ones who could still talk? It's probably that they were sold to glue factories so they would be killed in order to stop them talking...

* [[Tropers/TheMightyHeptagon This troper]] always liked to think so as a kid. Not necessarily because I think it's likely, but because the image of the boys turning into donkeys and being shipped off to the salt mines was literally '''''[[NightmareFuel keeping me from sleeping]]'''''.
** Probably the only thing that could change them back in this movie is the Blue Fairy. She'd probably do it, but not before reminding the boys that it was their own foolishness that got them in this predicament. She'd give them a second chance and maybe the boys would be better behaved after what happened.

* He’s not in it for the money, since in all honesty, Pleasure Island is just about the worst business idea ever. Not only do you have to pay to build the damned place, but you also have to pay to repair it every time you use it…and there’s just no way this is economically feasible. No, he’s in it ForTheEvulz. The money just keeps people like the Fox and the Cat happy, so they can continue collecting stupid little boys for him.

* Not necessarily. Fishing inside Monstro could have sustained Geppetto.

* Whoa. That right there? FridgeBrilliance. Particularly if you consider that the residual magic somehow "knew" to transition from pigs to donkeys, in order to show the boys they were being literal...ya know.

* Actually, that’s what I always thought too.

[[WMG: The Coachman is actually a demon who is turning boys into donkeys just to be a dick]]

Again, with the boys who were turned into donkeys, it is quite clear that the ones who could not talk were sold to various places (its written on the boxes) such as salt mines. However, what happened to the ones who could still talk? Its probable that they were sold to glue factories so they would be killed in order to stop them talking...
** They probably pulled the coach. Why waste a good donkey?

The Fairy's job is to reward good behavior, such as giving Geppetto a son after he's spent his life making others happy, and turning Pinocchio into a real boy when he proves worthy. The Coachman, on the other hand, is there to punish evil behavior. That's why he gets to be a KarmaHoudini; like the Fairy he is a supernatural being fulfilling a function (as [[CrapSaccharineWorld horrifying as it is]]). That's why the Fairy said she would be unable to help Pinocchio after the Stromboli incident, but later appeared as a bird to offer him a hint. She [[GenreSavvy knew]] Pinnochio was going up against the Coachman next, and she is forbidden to interfere with him; Pinocchio is on his own for that ordeal. Once he gets away, she can again offer aid.

* Alternate hypothesis: A wearable compass like the [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20604_6-ways-technology-can-give-you-super-senses_p2.html North Paw compass]] exists in the animated fairy tale universe. It measures Earth's geomagnetic field and vibrates part of a band worn around the user's ankle. This ends up training the brain to figure out where north points, and the effect would persist after he takes human form.

* Pinocchio is no exception and [[EnemyToAllLivingThings the world has constantly maliciously tried to corrupt him from the day he became alive]], it tempted him with fame and fortune, tempted him to care about his own health and not his father's well-being, tempted him to be a anti-social mess like Lampwick, and tempted him to abandon his father to Monstro.

As Jiminy Cricket said, ''the world is full of temptation''. [[CrapsackWorld That's just the tip of iceberg.]] Everyone starts off good and decent when they come into the world. [[TheCorruption The world itself is actively trying to corrupt everyone in it]], big or small, preying upon their desires and needs, to give into its foul devices and machinations, so they too can become just as depraved and assume fallen monstrous forms, forms fit for a world of temptation.

* Sadly even animals are not immune to the world's evil. Monstro started off as [[FromNobodyToNightmare just an ordinary shy blue whale]], but grew weary of constantly filter-feeding tiny plankton for nourishment, he was tired of always being hungry and never full. The world tempted the baleen whale with its rich oceans to swallow up larger prey, eat and devour everything in sight. [[VillainousGlutton Monstro gave into his gluttony]], and turned into a monstrous terrifying levithan as a result.
* Pinocchio is no exception and the world has constantly maliciously tried to corrupt him from the day he became alive, it tempted him with fame and fortune, tempted him to care about his own health and not his father's well-being, tempted him to be a anti-social mess like Lampwick, and tempted him to abandon his father to Monstro.

* The Coachman had worked long and hard his entire life and had very little to show for it money-wise. He couldn't even retire, and hated how lazy and uncaring this new generation of children were. The world tempted to kill two birds with one stone, and profit off the misery of children. The Coachman does well to hide what the world has turned him into, but briefly, you can see he's become [[ThisWasHisTrueForm a jeering devil]]. He employs jobless men to assist him, and they too also gave into their wants and desires and have assumed shadowy ghoul-like appearances.

* Sadly even animals are not immune to the world's evil. Monstro started off as [[NobodyToNightmare just an ordinary shy blue whale]], but grew weary of constantly filter-feeding tiny plankton for nourishment, he was tired of always being hungry and never full. The world tempted the baleen whale with its rich oceans to swallow up larger prey, eat and devour everything in sight. Monstro gave into his gluttony, and turned into a monstrous terrifying levithan as a result.

You're Monstro, a giant monster whale. You've established yourself quite nicely as [[TheDreaded the terror of the deep]]. None of the sea creatures can utter your name even. The sailors are terrified of you, and word of your deeds spreads across the land. [[TheJailer Nothing escapes your belly, ever.]] You pride yourself upon it. Then one day a lit fire from inside [[StatusQuoIsGod disturbs your tranquil binge eating/sleeping routine]], forcing you to sneeze mightily, and there go two insignificant people... ''swimming away from you''. As a beast of nature, driven by instincts, you'd think hunger is the sole driving force for your enraged state. No, what makes you terrifying is you're a [[ItCanThink monster with a brain]]. You know two tiny morsels like that don't even count as a snack, [[PragmaticVillainy they are not worth the time or effort to get one's self all worked up over.]] You may as well go back to sleep. '''[[PrideBeforeAFall But your ego won't allow it.]]''' If they get away and people hear how an old man and a small child escaped Monstro and lived ''you'll be a laughing stock''. If the other oceanic creatures hear about this, ''you'll be a laughing stock''. [[RevengeBeforeReason You have to chase them. You must catch them. Swallow them again. See that shore? What about that shore?]]

You're Monstro, a giant monster whale. You've established yourself quite nicely as [[TheDreaded the terror of the deep]]. None of the sea creatures can utter your name even. The sailors are terrified of you, and word of your deeds spreads across the land. [[TheJailer Nothing escapes your belly, ever.]] You pride yourself upon it. Then one day a lit fire from inside [[StatusQuoIsGod disturbs your tranquil binge eating]], forcing you to sneeze mightily, and there go two insignificant people... ''swimming away from you''. As a beast of nature, driven by instincts, you'd think hunger is the sole driving force for your enraged state. No, what makes you terrifying is you're a [[ItCanThink monster with a brain]]. Two tiny morsels like that don't even count as a snack, [[PragmaticVillainy they are not worth the time or effort to get one's self all worked up over.]] '''[[PrideBeforeAFall But your ego won't allow it.]]''' If they get away and people hear how an old man and a small child escaped Monstro and lived ''you'll be a laughing stock''. If the other oceanic creatures hear about this, ''you'll be a laughing stock''. [[RevengeBeforeReason You have to chase them. You must catch them. Swallow them again. See that shore? What about that shore?]]

You're Monstro, a giant monster whale. You've established yourself quite nicely as [[TheDreaded the terror of the deep]]. None of the sea creatures can utter your name even. The sailors are terrified of you, and word of your deeds spreads across the land. [[TheJailer Nothing escapes your belly, ever.]] You pride yourself upon it. Then one day a lit fire from inside [[StatusQuoIsGod disturbs your tranquil binge eating]], forcing you to sneeze mightily, and there go two insignificant people... ''swimming away from you''. As a beast of nature, driven by instincts, you'd think hunger is the sole driving force for your enraged state. No, what makes you terrifying is you're a [[ItCanThink monster with a brain]]. Two tiny people don't even count as a snack, [[PragmaticVillainy they are not worth the time or effort to get one's self all worked up over.]] '''[[PrideBeforeAFall But your ego won't allow it.]]''' If they get away and people hear how an old man and a small child escaped Monstro and lived ''you'll be a laughing stock''. If the other oceanic creatures hear about this, ''you'll be a laughing stock''. [[RevengeBeforeReason You have to chase them. You must catch them. Swallow them again. See that shore? What about that shore?]]

You're Monstro, a giant monster whale. You've established yourself quite nicely as [[TheDreaded the terror of the deep]]. None of the sea creatures can utter your name even. The sailors are terrified of you, and word of your deeds spreads across the land. [[TheJailer Nothing escapes your belly, ever.]] You pride yourself upon it. Then one day a lit fire from inside [[StatusQuoIsGod disturbs your tranquil binge eating]], forcing you to sneeze mightily, and there go two insignificant people... ''swimming away from you''. As a beast of nature, driven by instincts, you'd think hunger is the sole driving force for your enraged state. No, what makes you terrifying is you're a [[ItCanThink monster with a brain]]. Two tiny people don't even count as a snack, [[PragmaticVillainy they are not worth the effort to get one's self all worked up and chasing after.]] ''[[PrideBeforeAFall But your ego won't allow it.]]'' If the other oceanic creatures hear about this, ''you'll be a laughing stock''. [[RevengeBeforeReason You have to chase them. You must catch them. Swallow them again. See that shore? What about that shore?]]

* Alternate hypothesis: A wearable compass like the [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20604_6-ways-technology-can-give-you-super-senses_p2.html North Paw compass]] exists in the animated fairy tale universe. It measures Earth's geomagnetic field and vibrates part of a band worn around the user's ankle. This ends up training the brain to figure out where north points, and the effect would persist after he takes human form.

You're Monstro, a giant monster whale. You've established yourself quite nicely as [[TheDreaded the terror of the deep]]. None of the sea creatures can utter your name even. [[TheJailer Nothing escapes your belly, ever.]] You pride yourself upon it. Then one day a lit fire from inside [[StatusQuoIsGod disturbs your tranquil binge eating]], forcing you to sneeze mightily, and there go two insignificant people... ''swimming away from you''. As a beast of nature, driven by instincts, you'd think hunger is the sole driving force for your enraged state. No, what makes you terrifying is you're a [[ItCanThink monster with a brain]]. Two tiny people don't even count as a snack, [[PragmaticVillainy they are not worth the effort to get one's self all worked up and chasing after.]] ''[[PrideBeforeAFall But your ego won't allow it.]]'' If the other oceanic creatures hear about this, ''you'll be a laughing stock''. [[RevengeBeforeReason You have to chase them. You must catch them. Swallow them again. See that shore? What about that shore?]]