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[[WMG:How do muggles still exist in world full of vampires, werewolves, demons, you name it? They don't.]]
With so many kinds of supernatural creatures living in old World of Darkness (and it is very possible that there are many we were never told of), normal humans have long gone extinct (if they ever existed in first place). Since every group of supernaturals keeps (more or less) its own masquerade, they keep passing for humans to each other. Your average non-Malkavian vampire is familiar with his kind (although even he might have trouble properly recognizing more exotic klans and bloodlines and will be very confused at best to meet Kuei-Jin), knows enough of werewolves and Hunters to fear them, might have some knowledge about mages and remember that their blood is hallucinogenic, but he most likely knows nothing about demons, has no interest whatsoever in mummies and definitely does not believe in fairies… so as long as demon, mummy or changeling looks and behaves like humans are expected to, our vampire will think that he deals with muggle and act accordingly. He can drink blood out of unfortunate changeling or medium, but he still has no way to feel anything unusual since he never had tasted real muggle to begin with. There was only one truly normal human in history of that world, and that was Hitler.

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[[WMG:How do muggles still exist in a world full of vampires, werewolves, demons, you name it? They don't.]]
With so many kinds of supernatural creatures living in old World of Darkness (and it is very possible that there are many we were never told of), normal humans have long gone extinct (if they ever existed in the first place). Since every group of supernaturals keeps (more or less) its own masquerade, they keep passing for humans to each other. Your average non-Malkavian vampire is familiar with his kind (although even he might have trouble properly recognizing more exotic klans clans and bloodlines and will be very confused at best to meet Kuei-Jin), knows enough of werewolves and Hunters to fear them, might have some knowledge about mages and remember that their blood is hallucinogenic, but he most likely knows nothing about demons, has no interest whatsoever in mummies and definitely does not believe in fairies… so as long as a demon, a mummy or a changeling looks and behaves like humans are expected to, our vampire will think that he deals with muggle muggles and act accordingly. He can drink blood out of unfortunate changeling changelings or medium, mediums, but he still has no way to does not feel anything unusual since he never had tasted real muggle blood to begin with. There was only one truly normal human in history of that world, and that was Hitler.
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Taking advantage of the Maelstrom created by the TheWarOnTerror, the Weaver went into the Underworld in an attempt to calcify another source of Entropy, The Abyss. Whereas the equally powerful entity of Decay, the Wyrm, put up a good fight, taking over the organized [[OurGhostsAreDifferent Spectre]] {{hivemind}} from the Neverborn Malfeans' was all too easy for a supernatural entity of Order.

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Taking advantage of the Maelstrom created by the TheWarOnTerror, UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror, the Weaver went into the Underworld in an attempt to calcify another source of Entropy, The Abyss. Whereas the equally powerful entity of Decay, the Wyrm, put up a good fight, taking over the organized [[OurGhostsAreDifferent Spectre]] {{hivemind}} from the Neverborn Malfeans' was all too easy for a supernatural entity of Order.
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With so many kinds of supernatural creatures living in old World of Darkness (and it is very possible that there are many we were never told of), normal humans have long gone extinct (if they ever existed in first place). Since every group of supernaturals keeps (more or less) its own masquerade, they keep passing for humans to each other. Your average non-Malkavian vampire is familiar with his kind (althrough even he might have trouble properly recognising more exotic klans and bloodlines and will be very confused at best to meet Kuei-Jin), knows enough of werewolves and Hunters to fear them, might have some knowledge about mages and remember that their blood is hallucinogenic, but he most likely knows nothing about demons, has no interest whatsoever in mummies and definitely does not believe in fairies… so as long as demon, mummy or changeling looks and behaves like humans are expected to, our vampire will think that he deals with mmuggle and act accordingly. He can drink blood out of unfortunate changeling or medium, but he still has no way to feel anything unusual since he never had tasted real muggle to begin with. There was only one truly normal human in history of that world, and that was Hitler.

Oh, and Malkavians? For them it's [[OnlySaneMan all clear and obvious]]. Mixture of craziness, common sense and transformation into vampires causes them to drop {{arbitrary scepticism}} and expect [[AllMythsAreTrue all myths to be true]] by default, making them unbiased enough to get things right.

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With so many kinds of supernatural creatures living in old World of Darkness (and it is very possible that there are many we were never told of), normal humans have long gone extinct (if they ever existed in first place). Since every group of supernaturals keeps (more or less) its own masquerade, they keep passing for humans to each other. Your average non-Malkavian vampire is familiar with his kind (althrough (although even he might have trouble properly recognising recognizing more exotic klans and bloodlines and will be very confused at best to meet Kuei-Jin), knows enough of werewolves and Hunters to fear them, might have some knowledge about mages and remember that their blood is hallucinogenic, but he most likely knows nothing about demons, has no interest whatsoever in mummies and definitely does not believe in fairies… so as long as demon, mummy or changeling looks and behaves like humans are expected to, our vampire will think that he deals with mmuggle muggle and act accordingly. He can drink blood out of unfortunate changeling or medium, but he still has no way to feel anything unusual since he never had tasted real muggle to begin with. There was only one truly normal human in history of that world, and that was Hitler.

Oh, and Malkavians? For them it's [[OnlySaneMan all clear and obvious]]. Mixture of craziness, common sense and transformation into vampires causes them to drop {{arbitrary scepticism}} skepticism}} and expect [[AllMythsAreTrue all myths to be true]] by default, making them unbiased enough to get things right.
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[[WMG:The Michaelson-Morley experiment was an actual experiment]]
In the mid-1800s, centuries of studying the Scourge (Paradox) came together and suggested the Consensual Reality Hypothesis to members of the Order of Reason. The Michaelson-Morley experiment was not an attempt to punish the Electrodyne Engineers by taking away their favorite hypothesis; it was an attempt to test the Consensual Reality Hypothesis by seeing if they could get rid of the ether by changing people's beliefs. (The [[RealLife real-world]] Michaelson-Morley experiment did not actually disprove the luminiferous ether; it just implied that if it existed, it was behaving very strangely. It wasn't until relativity came along that physicists gave up on the ether.)

All attempts before the Michaelson-Morley experiment to conceal the supernatural can be attributed to the Camarilla or other groups. The Order of Reason opposed the Camarilla and the Masquerade; they tried to empower humanity by telling them how to fight creepy supernatural things like mages and vampires, not by hiding them.

Once the Consensual Reality Hypothesis was confirmed, the Order of Reason realized that if the Camarilla succeeded in convincing humanity that vampires do not exist, then they wouldn't. So they reorganized themselves into something that could better help enforce the Masquerade: the Technocratic Union.

The Sons of Ether defected at about this time. The Technocracy claims that they left because consensual reality can give you your own personal super science that you don't need to share with everyone else, and they thought that sounded like fun. The Sons of Ether claim that they left because they saw the direction the new Union was taking (including lying to the world about the supernatural) and didn't like it.
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[[WMG:Old World of Darkness is what Creation becomes with the death of [[{{Exalted}} The Unconquered Sun]] ]]

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This would also explain why Mage powers are affected by Paradox, but other supernaturals aren't. Sleepers don't usually know they can use magick, so it's up for debate. Paradigms can accept for reject that. Vampires, werewolves, etc. are more primal than that. They exist as a representation of human fears, so their powers supercede any mundane paradigm that rejects them. Their existence is already fueled by belief, so that belief extends to what they can do.

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This would also explain why Mage powers are affected by Paradox, but other supernaturals aren't. Sleepers don't usually know they can use magick, so it's up for debate. Paradigms can accept for or reject that. Vampires, werewolves, etc. are more primal than that. They exist as a representation of human fears, so their powers supercede any mundane paradigm that rejects them. Their existence is already fueled by belief, so that belief extends to what they can do.

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Human beings, as part of their survival instincts, fear the unknown. This is good, because not being afraid of what might be lurking in the dark could get a human eaten by a mountain lion. However, no matter how much humans learn of their world, that fear persists. For humans, instinctively, there must always exist monsters. And so there are. They fear predators well in excess of their lowly powers, so vampires and lupines came into being. They wonder at stories and the pure power of creativity, so Faeries exist. They dread what exists after death, so a state after death - a Wraith - exists, and has an afterlife to populate (which is almost always influenced by what people imagine the afterlife to be). Monsters exist because humans cannot truly believe they don't, and no amount of denying it will change that fundamental fear.

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Human beings, as part of their survival instincts, fear the unknown. This is good, because not being afraid of what might be lurking in the dark could get a human eaten by a mountain lion. However, no matter how much humans learn of their world, that fear persists. For humans, instinctively, there must always exist monsters. [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve And so there are.are]]. They fear predators well in excess of their lowly powers, so vampires and lupines came into being. They wonder at stories and the pure power of creativity, so Faeries exist. They dread what exists after death, so a state after death - a Wraith - exists, and has an afterlife to populate (which is almost always influenced by what people imagine the afterlife to be). Monsters exist because humans cannot truly believe they don't, and no amount of denying it will change that fundamental fear.fear.
This would also explain why Mage powers are affected by Paradox, but other supernaturals aren't. Sleepers don't usually know they can use magick, so it's up for debate. Paradigms can accept for reject that. Vampires, werewolves, etc. are more primal than that. They exist as a representation of human fears, so their powers supercede any mundane paradigm that rejects them. Their existence is already fueled by belief, so that belief extends to what they can do.
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[[WMG: Monsters only exist because humans subconsciously believe they should.]]
Human beings, as part of their survival instincts, fear the unknown. This is good, because not being afraid of what might be lurking in the dark could get a human eaten by a mountain lion. However, no matter how much humans learn of their world, that fear persists. For humans, instinctively, there must always exist monsters. And so there are. They fear predators well in excess of their lowly powers, so vampires and lupines came into being. They wonder at stories and the pure power of creativity, so Faeries exist. They dread what exists after death, so a state after death - a Wraith - exists, and has an afterlife to populate (which is almost always influenced by what people imagine the afterlife to be). Monsters exist because humans cannot truly believe they don't, and no amount of denying it will change that fundamental fear.
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Whether or not they had a knowing alliance with the Camarilla, the Technocracy had a vested interest in maintaining the Masquerade and the resources (via the New World Order and Syndicate) to do it. Nothing like a common goal to encourage TeethClenchedTeamwork.

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Whether or not they had a knowing alliance with the Camarilla, the Technocracy had a vested interest in maintaining the Masquerade and the resources (via the New World Order and Syndicate) to do it. Nothing like a common goal to encourage TeethClenchedTeamwork. In some Sabbat-controlled areas, the Technocracy is the ''only'' thing maintaining the Masquerade.
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[[WMG:The Technocracy colluded in maintaining the Masquerade]]
Whether or not they had a knowing alliance with the Camarilla, the Technocracy had a vested interest in maintaining the Masquerade and the resources (via the New World Order and Syndicate) to do it. Nothing like a common goal to encourage TeethClenchedTeamwork.
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See also: WMG.NewWorldOfDarkness and WMG.TheWorldOfDarkness for New/Old crossover wild mass guessing.

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!The See also: WMG.NewWorldOfDarkness and WMG.TheWorldOfDarkness for New/Old crossover wild mass guessing.

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! OldWorldOfDarkness is what Creation becomes with the death of [[{{Exalted}} The Unconquered Sun]]

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!The Michaelson-Morley experiment was an actual experiment

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![[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse The Triad]] is {{God}} suffering from split personality disorder.

!How do muggles still exist in world full of vampires, werewolves, demons, you name it? They don't.

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[[WMG: The Weaver in ''[[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse W:TA]]'' is The Grandmother in ''TabletopGame/{{Orpheus}}'']]

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* ''[=VtM=]'' gave [[http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/2536/what-alternative-models-exist-for-vampire-populations-in-wod population densities]] at one point, of around 1 vampire to 50-100k humans.


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She went for the Underworld in an attempt to calcify another source of entropy, where the Wyrm put up a good fight, taking over the organized Spectre {{hivemind}} was all too easy. By the Weaver's nature, this led to afterlife technology suddenly working where before it was only possible via magic/sorcery/etc.

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She Taking advantage of the Maelstrom created by the TheWarOnTerror, the Weaver went for into the Underworld in an attempt to calcify another source of entropy, where Entropy, The Abyss. Whereas the Wyrm equally powerful entity of Decay, the Wyrm, put up a good fight, taking over the organized Spectre [[OurGhostsAreDifferent Spectre]] {{hivemind}} from the Neverborn Malfeans' was all too easy. By easy for a supernatural entity of Order.
* Alternatively: the Weaver could have been killed by the [[SpiderPeople Anasasi]] and replaced with their "backup Weaver" queen Anasasa. But [like] a Primordial, she was too powerful to truly die and became the Grandmother, taking over the Underworld as part of her next move.
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the Weaver's nature, this led to her entry into the Underworld allowed afterlife technology suddenly working where to work, when before it was only possible via magic/sorcery/etc.
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[[WMG: The Weaver in ''[[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse W:TA]]'' is The Grandmother in ''TabletopGame/{{Orpheus}}'']]
She went for the Underworld in an attempt to calcify another source of entropy, where the Wyrm put up a good fight, taking over the organized Spectre {{hivemind}} was all too easy. By the Weaver's nature, this led to afterlife technology suddenly working where before it was only possible via magic/sorcery/etc.
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*Interesting theory. Unfortunately, there would have to be some muggles in here, because the changelings can only inhabit themselves in human bodies. Also, how would you explain otherwise normal people getting embraced?
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Oh, and Malkavians? For them it's [[OnlySaneMan all clear and obvious]]. Mixture of craziness, common sense and transformation into vampires causes them to drop {{arbitrary scepticism}} and expect {{all myths to be true}} by default, making them unbiased enough to get things right.

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Oh, and Malkavians? For them it's [[OnlySaneMan all clear and obvious]]. Mixture of craziness, common sense and transformation into vampires causes them to drop {{arbitrary scepticism}} and expect {{all [[AllMythsAreTrue all myths to be true}} true]] by default, making them unbiased enough to get things right.
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!How do muggles still exist in world full of vampires, werewolves, demons, you name it? They don't.
With so many kinds of supernatural creatures living in old World of Darkness (and it is very possible that there are many we were never told of), normal humans have long gone extinct (if they ever existed in first place). Since every group of supernaturals keeps (more or less) its own masquerade, they keep passing for humans to each other. Your average non-Malkavian vampire is familiar with his kind (althrough even he might have trouble properly recognising more exotic klans and bloodlines and will be very confused at best to meet Kuei-Jin), knows enough of werewolves and Hunters to fear them, might have some knowledge about mages and remember that their blood is hallucinogenic, but he most likely knows nothing about demons, has no interest whatsoever in mummies and definitely does not believe in fairies… so as long as demon, mummy or changeling looks and behaves like humans are expected to, our vampire will think that he deals with mmuggle and act accordingly. He can drink blood out of unfortunate changeling or medium, but he still has no way to feel anything unusual since he never had tasted real muggle to begin with. There was only one truly normal human in history of that world, and that was Hitler.

Oh, and Malkavians? For them it's [[OnlySaneMan all clear and obvious]]. Mixture of craziness, common sense and transformation into vampires causes them to drop {{arbitrary scepticism}} and expect {{all myths to be true}} by default, making them unbiased enough to get things right.
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![[WerewolfTheApocalypse The Triad]] is {{God}} suffering from split personality disorder.

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! OldWorldOfDarkness is what Creation becomes with the death of The Unconquered Sun

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!!The Wyrm is [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Power]]

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