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If we assume the charactes are the same ages as their actors, both Bullock and Clooney were born after the original film, meaning that Debbie and Danny would have been born when Danny sr. was in his late 40s. They could have grown up hearing how the original heist succeeded and then went wrong, leading to them deciding to pull of their own capers.
[[WMG: Danny really isn't dead; he's just faking his death as a part of an elaborate con]]
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If we assume the charactes characters are the same ages as their actors, both Bullock and Clooney were born after the original film, meaning that Debbie and Danny would have been born when Danny sr.Snr. was in his late 40s. They could have grown up hearing how the original heist succeeded and then went wrong, leading to them deciding to pull of their own capers.
[[WMG: Dannyreally isn't really dead; he's just faking his death as a part of an elaborate con]]
[[WMG: Danny
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** She ''really doesn't know if he's dead or not''. The ambiguity lends credence to the possibility that he has indeed faked his own is death.
death, for reasons unexplored in this movie as the focus is on Debbie, not him. Which leads onto...
[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry Benedict and/or Willy Bank.]]
Both of whom would want revenge for his actions against them.
* Given that ''Twelve'' was all about raising the money to pay Benedict back following ''Eleven'', he wouldn't have much reasons to kill Danny unless ''he'd pulled yet another heist against him''. Bank, on the other hand, was shown to be almost ready to throw Reuben from the top of a building in ''Thirteen'', so he could be out for Danny's blood.
[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry Benedict and/or Willy Bank.]]
Both of whom would want revenge for his actions against them.
* Given that ''Twelve'' was all about raising the money to pay Benedict back following ''Eleven'', he wouldn't have much reasons to kill Danny unless ''he'd pulled yet another heist against him''. Bank, on the other hand, was shown to be almost ready to throw Reuben from the top of a building in ''Thirteen'', so he could be out for Danny's blood.
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[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry Benedict and/or Willy Bank.]]
* Benedict wouldn't have much reasons to kill Danny unless he pulled yet another heist against him. Bank however was shown to be almost ready to throw Reuben from the top of a building, so there's that.
* Benedict wouldn't have much reasons to kill Danny unless he pulled yet another heist against him. Bank however was shown to be almost ready to throw Reuben from the top of a building, so there's that.
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* Her knowing something is {{jossed}}: She says during her first visit to his grave "it'd better be you in there," implying A: it's not the first time he's done something like this, and B: she really doesn't know if he's dead or not. Though the fact that it's ambiguous does lend credence to the possibility that his death is a con as well.
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* Her knowing something is {{jossed}}: She {{jossed}}, as she says during her first visit to his grave "it'd better be you in there," implying A: it's there" during her first visit to his grave. This would imply one of two things -- either:
** It's not the first time he's done something like this,and B: she really or:
** She ''really doesn't know if he's dead ornot. Though the fact that it's ambiguous does lend not''. The ambiguity lends credence to the possibility that he has indeed faked his death own is a con as well.
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** It's not the first time he's done something like this,
** She ''really doesn't know if he's dead or
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[[WMG: Debbie and Danny are the children of the original Danny Ocean in the 1960 film.]]
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[[WMG: Debbie and Danny are the children of [[Music/FrankSinatra the original Danny Ocean Ocean]] in the [[Film/Oceans11 1960 film.film]].]]
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[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, the ninth member will be...]]
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[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, ''Ocean's 9'', the ninth member will be...]]
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[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, Debbie and Lou will openly be an OfficialCouple]]
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[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, ''Ocean's 9'', Debbie and Lou will openly be an OfficialCouple]]
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One that would require TheReveal of Danny being alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and Creator/CarlReiner.
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One that would require TheReveal of Danny being alive, first things first. Most Many of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and Creator/CarlReiner.
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One that would require TheReveal of Danny being alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac.
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One that would require TheReveal of Danny being alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac.Creator/BernieMac and Creator/CarlReiner.
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[[WMG: Debbie and Danny are the children of the original Danny Ocean in the 1960 film.]]
If we assume the charactes are the same ages as their actors, both Bullock and Clooney were born after the original film, meaning that Debbie and Danny would have been born when Danny sr. was in his late 40s. They could have grown up hearing how the original heist succeeded and then went wrong, leading to them deciding to pull of their own capers.
If we assume the charactes are the same ages as their actors, both Bullock and Clooney were born after the original film, meaning that Debbie and Danny would have been born when Danny sr. was in his late 40s. They could have grown up hearing how the original heist succeeded and then went wrong, leading to them deciding to pull of their own capers.
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[[WMG: This is how [[Film/CrazyRichAsians Peik Lin]] got her money.]]
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[[WMG: [[ActorAllusion This is how how]] [[Film/CrazyRichAsians Peik Lin]] got her money.]]
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* It'd explain why Peik Lin's family was so obviously NouveauRiche compared to OldMoney types like the Youngs.
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One that would require Danny to be alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac.
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One that would require TheReveal of Danny to be being alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac.
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[[WMG: The next film could be a huge crossover]]
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[[WMG: The next film film, if there is one, could be a huge crossover]]
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One that would require Danny to be alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and team up with the Eight for the biggest heist in movie history.
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One that would require Danny to be alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and Creator/BernieMac.
* The Eleven could team up with the Eight for the biggest heist in moviehistory.history.
* Or it could be a GambitPileup: the two crews trying to rob the same place at the same time without knowing of the other. It would be a great occasion to reunite the Oceans, brother and sister.
* The Eleven could team up with the Eight for the biggest heist in movie
* Or it could be a GambitPileup: the two crews trying to rob the same place at the same time without knowing of the other. It would be a great occasion to reunite the Oceans, brother and sister.
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[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry and/or Willy.]]
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[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry Benedict and/or Willy.Willy Bank.]]
* Benedict wouldn't have much reasons to kill Danny unless he pulled yet another heist against him. Bank however was shown to be almost ready to throw Reuben from the top of a building, so there's that.
* Benedict wouldn't have much reasons to kill Danny unless he pulled yet another heist against him. Bank however was shown to be almost ready to throw Reuben from the top of a building, so there's that.
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One that would require Danny to be alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and team up with the Eight for the biggest heist ever seen in movie history.
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One that would require Danny to be alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and team up with the Eight for the biggest heist ever seen in movie history.
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His lawyer will point out that he was set up by Debbie. Once he's free, he'll threaten to kill her unless she steals a lot of money for him. Just to make Ocean's Nine similar to Ocean's Twelve.
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His lawyer will point out that he was set up by Debbie. Once he's free, he'll threaten to kill her unless she steals a lot of money for him. Just to make Ocean's Nine ''Ocean's Nine'' similar to Ocean's Twelve.''Ocean's Twelve''.
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Here's hoping that the studio, director and cast have taken note of how popular the ship is in the fanbase and will can the AmbiguouslyBi / AmbiguouslyGay crap for good in the potential sequel and make them an official item.
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Here's hoping that the studio, director and cast have taken note of how popular the ship is in the fanbase and will can the AmbiguouslyBi / AmbiguouslyGay crap for good in the potential sequel and make them an official item.item.
[[WMG: The next film could be a huge crossover]]
One that would require Danny to be alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and team up with the Eight for the biggest heist ever seen in movie history.
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[[WMG: The next film could be a huge crossover]]
One that would require Danny to be alive, first things first. Most of the Eleven could return bar the late Creator/BernieMac and team up with the Eight for the biggest heist ever seen in movie history.
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* Tess Ocean, trying to either avenge Danny or help him keep his cover.
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* Tess Ocean, trying to either avenge Danny or help him keep his cover.cover.
[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, Debbie and Lou will openly be an OfficialCouple]]
Here's hoping that the studio, director and cast have taken note of how popular the ship is in the fanbase and will can the AmbiguouslyBi / AmbiguouslyGay crap for good in the potential sequel and make them an official item.
[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, Debbie and Lou will openly be an OfficialCouple]]
Here's hoping that the studio, director and cast have taken note of how popular the ship is in the fanbase and will can the AmbiguouslyBi / AmbiguouslyGay crap for good in the potential sequel and make them an official item.
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** Though her character does seem similar to her sister Elle, a young rising star, who we also see in a cosmetic ad, which Elle has done plenty of, but something Dakota doesnt do.
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* The acquittal is possible, but not the rest. Terry was a multimillionaire with massive connections. Claude is a two-bit art dealer who owns a single gallery. He wouldn't have the resources or contacts to match Debbie's.
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She'll learn that her brother was killed by Terry Benedict or Willy Bank and will plot a revenge. There are at least two twist possibilities.
* The other villain was the real killer and framed the other. Debbie had already figured it out.
* The other villain was the real killer and framed the other. Debbie had already figured it out.
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She'll learn that her brother was killed by Terry Benedict or Willy Bank and will plot a revenge. There are at least two twist possibilities.
possibilities:
*The other One villain was the real killer and framed the other. Debbie had already figured it out.
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His lawyer will point out that he was set up by Debbie. Once he's free, he'll threaten to kill her unless she steals a lot of money for him. Just to make Ocean's Nine similar to Ocean's Twelve.
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His lawyer will point out that he was set up by Debbie. Once he's free, he'll threaten to kill her unless she steals a lot of money for him. Just to make Ocean's Nine similar to Ocean's Twelve.Twelve.
[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, the ninth member will be...]]
* Nineball's little sister Veronica.
* Tess Ocean, trying to either avenge Danny or help him keep his cover.
[[WMG: If there's an Ocean's 9, the ninth member will be...]]
* Nineball's little sister Veronica.
* Tess Ocean, trying to either avenge Danny or help him keep his cover.
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[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry and/or Willy.]]
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[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry and/or Willy.]]]]
[[WMG: Claude will be acquitted.]]
His lawyer will point out that he was set up by Debbie. Once he's free, he'll threaten to kill her unless she steals a lot of money for him. Just to make Ocean's Nine similar to Ocean's Twelve.
[[WMG: Claude will be acquitted.]]
His lawyer will point out that he was set up by Debbie. Once he's free, he'll threaten to kill her unless she steals a lot of money for him. Just to make Ocean's Nine similar to Ocean's Twelve.
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* Turns out she only has a very quick cameo and barely talks.
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* Turns out she only has a very quick cameo and barely talks.talks.
[[WMG: Ocean's Nine will be about Debbie plotting to avenge Danny.]]
She'll learn that her brother was killed by Terry Benedict or Willy Bank and will plot a revenge. There are at least two twist possibilities.
* The other villain was the real killer and framed the other. Debbie had already figured it out.
* Both Terry and Willy teamed up against Danny because of what he did to them in ''Thirteen''.
[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry and/or Willy.]]
[[WMG: Ocean's Nine will be about Debbie plotting to avenge Danny.]]
She'll learn that her brother was killed by Terry Benedict or Willy Bank and will plot a revenge. There are at least two twist possibilities.
* The other villain was the real killer and framed the other. Debbie had already figured it out.
* Both Terry and Willy teamed up against Danny because of what he did to them in ''Thirteen''.
[[WMG: Danny faked his death to avoid being killed by Terry and/or Willy.]]
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** {{Jossed}}: Debbie's seeking revenge on an ex-lover who framed and sent her to prison.
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She will likely play a similar role like Topher Grace and the other celebrities that Rusty played poker with. Same with Katie Holmes.
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She will likely play a similar role like Topher Grace and the other celebrities that Rusty played poker with. Same with Katie Holmes.Holmes.
*Turns out she only has a very quick cameo and barely talks.
*Turns out she only has a very quick cameo and barely talks.
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[[WMG: Danny really isn't dead, he's just faking his death as a part of an elaborate con]]
Debbie doesn't seem too bereaved by her brother's passing even flippantly drinking a martini, suggesting she knows something
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[[WMG: Danny really isn't dead, dead; he's just faking his death as a part of an elaborate con]]
Debbie doesn't seem too bereaved by her brother's passing even flippantly drinking a martini, suggesting she knowssomething
something.
** {{Jossed}}: She says during her first visit to his grave "it'd better be you in there," implying A: it's not the first time he's done something like this, and B: she really doesn't know if he's dead or not.
Debbie doesn't seem too bereaved by her brother's passing even flippantly drinking a martini, suggesting she knows
** {{Jossed}}: She says during her first visit to his grave "it'd better be you in there," implying A: it's not the first time he's done something like this, and B: she really doesn't know if he's dead or not.
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[[WMG: Dakota Fanning is AdamWesting.]]
* She will likely play a similar role like Topher Grace and the other celebrities that Rusty played poker with.
* She will likely play a similar role like Topher Grace and the other celebrities that Rusty played poker with.
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Debbie can't kill them, but she can certainly humiliate and ruin them like how Danny did to Bank at the end of ''Thirteen''. Plus the trailers make it clear that Debbie is running a con within the con from the start.
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Debbie can't kill them, but she can certainly humiliate and ruin them like how Danny did to Bank at the end of ''Thirteen''. Plus the trailers make it clear that Debbie is running a con within the con from the start.start.
[[WMG: Dakota Fanning is AdamWesting.]]
She will likely play a similar role like Topher Grace and the other celebrities that Rusty played poker with.
[[WMG: Dakota Fanning is AdamWesting.]]
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[[WMG: The real target of the con is whoever's responsible for Danny's death]]
Debbie can't kill them, but she can certainly humiliate and ruin them like how Danny did to Bank at the end of ''Thirteen''. Plus the trailers make it clear that Debbie is running a con within the con from the start.
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** Debbie doesn't seem too bereaved by her brother's passing even flippantly drinking a martini, suggesting she knows something
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