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The 616 univererse split off after the iconic event that marked the start of the DarkerAndEdgier [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] - Gwen Stacey's death. The more simplistic, black and white characterization of early heroes and villains is never brought up because they are different characters. This also explains why pre-[[Creator/ChrisClaremont Claremont]] ComicBook/{{Magneto}} went from UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler to Holocaust survivor. Squirell Girl and other joke characters are in the fun, silly silver age universe, which is why mainstream super teams don't call on her to save the world more often. ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} can enter and exit both universes at will, because he has NoFourthWall.

[[WMG:The Dark Reign Arc is to show fans what it would look like if a real Supervillain was in charge of Registration.]]

* This troper assumes it's an AuthorsSavingThrow for ComicBook/CivilWar to allow Marvel to claim that, notwithstanding the WordOfGod that readers were supposed to support the pro-reg side, this had always been planned from day one and that Civil War, Secret Invasion and Dark Reign, taken together, were intended to be a parable about why you shouldn't allow the government too much power, even when notionally "good" people (who will merely throw you into an extra-dimensional concentration camp without charges) are in power because less scrupulous men may follow them and abuse that power.

[[WMG:Characters "revived" during ComicBook/HouseOfM have no soul, resulting in the events of ComicBook/CivilWar, ComicBook/OneMoreDay, and the associated CharacterDerailment.]]
In ComicBook/HouseOfM, the authors introduce [[TheScrappy Layla Miller]], a young girl who is able to make characters remember that they are in fact part of a CosmicRetcon by Scarlet Witch. After the event, she disappears for a bit before reappearing in X-Factor, where it is eventually revealed that she has the power to bring things back to life, only without a soul. Now, if you'll pardon a bit of WildMassGuessing, here's where the brilliance kicks in: everyone in ComicBook/HouseOfM was dead except for the Scarlet Witch, who had killed everyone. Layla brought the people back to life, and they lost their souls in the process. In ComicBook/HouseOfM, Layla does her magic on, among other heroes Tony Stark. However, they specifically do NOT revive Captain America. Cut to a bit later, you've got a [[ComicBook/CivilWar certain other crossover event]] going on where a potentially soulless Tony Stark is heading the pro-Registration side (widely disfavored by the writers), while Captain America heads the anti-Registration side. This doesn't entirely account for where other heroes end up standing, but it DOES justify some of the CharacterDerailment they put Iron Man through. Tropers/RomancerBruce
* Also, check out some of the other characters that were restored by Layla. You've got Spider-man, who sells his marriage (but not his soul) to Mephisto in ComicBook/OneMoreDay. You've got Cyclops, who starts X-Force, a black ops team that goes against the peaceful co-existence that the X-Men have gone for in the past. You've got Emma Frost, who uses a DeadlyGame to select students who will have continued education. You've got Doctor Strange, who starts using darker magic. Basically all of the characters who had their memories restored by Layla have been subject to some sort of derailment since House of M.

[[WMG:The DarkerAndEdgier trend of the last decade (i.e. everything from ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' onward) has been the machinations of ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}]]

[[WMG:The Void's corruption has been responsible for many recent earth-bound events, including ComicBook/CivilWar, ComicBook/OneMoreDay, and ComicBook/DarkReign, all leading up to Siege.]]

[[WMG:Comicbook/HowardTheDuck will be [[RetCon Retconned]] into originating from the ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse]]

First conceived of on [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2727071.html this]] scans_daily thread. Basically, every time Franklin wonders about something, bizarre changes to the status quo happen to reflect his thoughts, regardless of characterization, history, or logic. Ex, if Franklin wonders "What if the bad guys won?" BAM. Siege. "Nah, I don't like the bad guys winning." BAM. Age of Heroes. "Why are mutants treated like a minority?" BAM. House of M. "[[ComicBook/IronMan Uncle Tony]] and [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Uncle Steve]] are really close. What if they fight?" BAM. Civil War. "I really wish [[Franchise/SpiderMan Uncle Peter]] had more time to spend with me." BAM. ComicBook/OneMoreDay.

-->'''Stan:''' I always thought the prophecy was talking about the ''Fantastic'' Four. I guess even I can be wrong. And it wasn't [[Comicbook/SpiderMan the]] [[Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} sec]][[Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk ond]] [[Comicbook/GhostRider one]] either.

[[WMG:The Sentry is connected to the same energy that powers Comicbook/CaptainUniverse]]

In some of his [[Comicbook/ImmortalHulk recent]] [[Comicbook/DefendersBeyond works]], Creator/AlEwing has lined different cosmic planes with the Sephiroth and Qliphoth of the UsefulNotes/{{Kabbalah}}. We don’t know what most of the Sephiroth/Qliphoth map to, but we can make guesses:

# Nehemoth or Lilith - Limbo? Ewing's Venom run establishes that Limbo is close to Earth, but ''Comicbook/DarkWeb'', which his run ties into, has the Goblin Queen mention that Limbo feels like it is beneath Earth. Thus, it maps to the highest Qliphoth.

* There could have been an original Victor Doom, but he's long since been replaced by Doombots-ironically the very replicas used to avoid VillianDecay have managed to be better than him.

In some of his [[Comicbook/ImmortalHulk recent]] [[Comicbook/DefendersBeyond works]], Creator/AlEwing has lined different cosmic planes with the Sephiroth and Qliphoth of the UsefulNotes/Kabbalah. We don’t know what most of the Sephiroth/Qliphoth map to, but we can make guesses:

That was a cover-up - after all, there's nothing [[ILoveNuclearPower special]] about them. His real subject of research was ''[[Manga/GetterRobo Getter Rays]]'', a green energy of potentially limitless power which embodies [[EvolutionaryLevels evolution]] and can cause things to shift between different forms or regenerate, but tends to drive its users into berserk rages.

[[WMG:[[ComicBook/AmalgamUniverse Access]] is [[ComicBook/TheNewUniverse Star Brand]]]]

Here's the theory: at the end of the ''Onslaught'' saga, his physical body has been destroyed, leaving a sentient "mass" of psionic energy. The heroes dive into that energy form in order to contain it and give the remaining heroes ([[ComicBook/XMen all of the X-Title characters]]) [[HeroicSacrifice a means to destroy it]]. Onslaught, in his desperation, would have reached out for an escape and found the ultimate bolthole for a psychic energy being: the Gamesmaster (an omnipath who is constantly aware of every mind on Earth[[note]]And who was an established character in the Marvel Universe well before this point[[/note]]). As [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] had deduced, being absorbed into a mutant body empowers Onslaught's psionic essence, enabling him to dominate the Gamesmaster and access his powers. From this perfect vantage point, he begins subtly influencing heroes and villains within the Marvel Universe to unconsciously create a bleaker outlook on the world, with the goal of wearing down their idealism until the ones who aren't trying to violently "euthanize" humanity are [[HeroicBSOD too broken]] or [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy too worn out]] to care.

[[WMG: Ultimate Nick Fury and Marcus Johnson (Nick Fury jr.) are the same person]]

[[WMG: The Dark Reign Arc is to show fans what it would look like if a real Supervillain was in charge of Registration.]]

[[WMG: The Marvel universe as it is now is another alternate reality forged by Scarlet Witch.]]

[[WMG: The 616 Earth is descended from the [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 The 12 Colonies Of Kobol]] ]]

[[WMG: Comicbook/HowardTheDuck will be [[RetCon Retconned]] into originating from the ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse]]

[[WMG: The Celestials in Earth X were planning the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Instrumentality]].]]

[[WMG: Bruce Banner wasn't really researching Gamma Rays]]

[[WMG: [[ComicBook/AmalgamUniverse Access]] is [[ComicBook/TheNewUniverse Star Brand]]]]

[[WMG: Bruce Banner is a mutant, whose power is to absorb gamma rays for strength.]]

[[WMG: Characters "revived" during ComicBook/HouseOfM have no soul, resulting in the events of ComicBook/CivilWar, ComicBook/OneMoreDay, and the associated CharacterDerailment.]]

[[WMG: The constant resurrections is causing everyone else to go crazy.]]

[[WMG: Joe Quesada had a crush on a redhead in high school, and she broke his heart.]]

[[WMG: Civil War was waged entirely by Skrulls and ComicBook/CaptainAmerica.]]

[[WMG: All event comics are Franklin Richards' fault.]]

[[WMG: The silver age isn't 616 canon]]

[[WMG: Xavier's dream will never happen]]

[[WMG: Creator/StanLee really is [[{{God}} the One Above All.]] ]]

[[WMG: Maria Hill tried to arrest Cap on the direct orders of Nick Fury Senior]]

[[WMG: The electromagnetic spectrum works differently in the Marvel universe]]

[[WMG: ComicBook/SquirrelGirl, ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}, ComicBook/SheHulk, and Forbush Man will unite to save Marvel from its turning DarkerAndEdgier once and for all]]

[[WMG: Theories on the identity of Scarlet Witch's and Quicksilver's new father.]]

[[WMG: The DarkerAndEdgier trend of the last decade (i.e. everything from ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' onward) has been the machinations of ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}]]

[[WMG: The reason some heroes and villains don't sell their tech.]]

[[WMG: ''Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History'' will climax with the titular character saving his family from their DeathByOriginStory.]]

[[WMG: There will be a ''Future Fight Firsts'' miniseries based on the Warriors of the Sky.]]

[[WMG: [[CosmicEntity Oblivion]] is The One Before All.]]

[[WMG: Chaos Magic is inconsistent because it's, well, chaotic.]]

[[WMG: Wanda really was Magneto's kid...and a mutant.]]

[[WMG: The Void's corruption has been responsible for many recent earth-bound events, including ComicBook/CivilWar, ComicBook/OneMoreDay, and ComicBook/DarkReign, all leading up to Siege.]]

[[WMG: The Void's corruption has been responsible for many recent earth-bound events, including ComicBook/CivilWar, ComicBook/OneMoreDay, and ComicBook/DarkReign, all leading up to Siege.]]

Whatever the Void appears to be right now as of Siege #3[[spoiler: (a black-red figure with scorpion legs of red energy coming out of his back)]], it appears to be a darkness embodied. I'm not sure since when Siege was set up from, but ever since Sentry showed up, we've gotten the above mentioned events, and the heroes have slowly been losing against the villains. We know Sentry's able to use telepathy to mind-wipe the entire world, so maybe it's possible that he's been influencing the entire Marvel Universe without anyone knowing the wiser, in preparation for his final strike against the world.

[[WMG:The Sentry didn't exist in the Silver Age until he retconned himself in]]
The official story is that the Sentry did exist as a Silver Age character, but somehow managed to mind-wipe everyone to forget about him. But if that's the case, how come the stories still turn out the same without him in them? His insertions are done very clumsily, along the lines of Mary Sue fanfic. That's because he did them himself. We've seen that a sufficiently powerful reality warper (Wanda) can change not only the present but also the past history of the Marvel Universe, so that everything was always the way that person thinks it should have been. Bob Reynolds is just a loser with delusions of grandeur... and one hell of a mutant superpower that lets him force the entire world to live out those delusions with him.
** with this wmg is true then he wouldn't be a loser he would be the most powerful man on earth who limits his power slightly

[[WMG: Wanda really was Magneto's kid...and a mutant.]] She was also the Franks' kid...and the Maximoffs'. Her powers have repeatedly retconned her past (and by extension Pietro's). When she decided to put an end to mutants, she made herself not one, and changed parents again out of shame over Magneto's world.

First conceived of on [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2727071.html this]] scans_daily thread. Basically, every time Franklin wonders about something, bizarre changes to the status quo happen to reflect his thoughts, regardless of characterization, history, or logic. Ex, if Franklin wonders "What if the bad guys won?" BAM. Siege. "Nah, I don't like the bad guys winning." BAM. Age of Heroes. "Why are mutants treated like a minority?" BAM. House of M. "[[IronMan Uncle Tony]] and [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Uncle Steve]] are really close. What if they fight?" BAM. Civil War. "I really wish [[Franchise/SpiderMan Uncle Peter]] had more time to spend with me." BAM. ComicBook/OneMoreDay.

The 616 univererse split off after the iconic event that marked the start of the DarkerAndEdgier [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] - Gwen Stacey's death. The more simplistic, black and white characterization of early heroes and villains is never brought up because they are different characters. This also explains why pre-[[Creator/ChrisClaremont Claremont]] ComicBook/{{Magneto}} went from UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler to Holocaust survivor. Squirell Girl and other joke characters are in the fun, silly silver age universe, which is why mainstream super teams don't call on her to save the world more often. SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} can enter and exit both universes at will, because he has NoFourthWall.

Or vice versa. Stan Lee may just be a form He takes in our dimension. It may explain how Stan Lee is such a CoolOldGuy and shows no signs of stopping despite reaching 90.

First conceived of on [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2727071.html this]] scans_daily thread. Basically, every time Franklin wonders about something, bizarre changes to the status quo happen to reflect his thoughts, regardless of characterization, history, or logic. Ex, if Franklin wonders "What if the bad guys won?" BAM. Siege. "Nah, I don't like the bad guys winning." BAM. Age of Heroes. "Why are mutants treated like a minority?" BAM. House of M. "[[IronMan Uncle Tony]] and [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Uncle Steve]] are really close. What if they fight?" BAM. Civil War. "I really wish [[SpiderMan Uncle Peter]] had more time to spend with me." BAM. ComicBook/OneMoreDay.

SG will decide that it's finally time to do something about it, Deadpool because he considers the fact that [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay Spidey's deal with Mephisto]] prevented ComicBook/SpiderGirl from existing as technically harming a child ([[BerserkButton the one thing he does not tolerate]]), Shulkie because A) this means nobody will ever [[PlanetHulk launch her cousin into space]] again and B) the reason she doesn't break the fourth wall anymore is because the writers made her forget that she could (which she is ''not'' happy about), and Forbush Man because he's tired of watching the world he used to love deteriorate around him. This may even lead to some character development (Wade and Doreen going from SitcomArchNemesis to VitriolicBestBuds, or at least FriendlyEnemy, and Forbush Man [[CharacterCheck going back to his old heroic self]])

One of the side effects of Star Brands's [[NiceJobBreakingItHero messing]] with [[TimeyWimeyBall time and causality]] is that an AlternateReality version of his was spawned in a state of reverberation between the Marvel and DC Universes. Additionaly, that reality shakeup (the White Event) woke up the Brothers and made them aware of each other.

Ego. They want to feel unique and special. They enjoy being gods. Imagine in real life you created a gadget that can make you fly like Superman. If you tell people how it works, or sell it, you'll have hundreds of flying people in your city. You will no longer be "super". Think of it like this...if you were the only guy on the planet with a cellphone, you would be considered the "cool guy" in town. If you found a cure for an incurable disease, people will see you as their savior.

Ego. They want to feel unique and special. They enjoy being gods. Imagine in real life you created a gadget that can make you fly like Superman. If you tell people how it works, or sell it, you'll have hundreds of flying people in your city. You will no longer be "super". Think of it like this...if you were the only guy on the planet with a cellphone, you would be considered the "cool guy" in town. If you found a cure for an incurable disease, people will see you as a savior.

Ego. They want to feel unique and special. Imagine in real life you created a gadget that can make you fly like Superman. If you tell people how it works, or sell it, you'll have millions of flying people in your city. You will no longer be "super". Think of it like this...if you were the only guy on the planet with a cellphone, you would be considered the "cool guy" in town.

Obvious, what with Creator/{{Disney}} buying up {{Marvel}}.

* I think that Disney and Marvel may do a howard the duck and donald the duck. Why, you may ask? Because it be awesome! and plausible! I though of it awhile ago.