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**In fact he said he'd walk the earth "You know, like Caine in Kung Fu" and ends up being killed in a massacre committed by... Caine, from Kung Fu.
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* Jules Winfield was based on a man named Saint Moses the Black, who was a criminal until he had a religious experience and became a monk, and then later a priest. He eventually died as an old man defending a monastery from a group of bandits, who killed him and seven others. Let's see...not counting [[spoiler: the baby and the Bride]], since they weren't killed, there were how many people? I believe... eight (Reverend and mother, four friends, groom, Jules Winfield). Eight.
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* This was already part of thiis this trroper's fanon, actually
* Tarentino said in one of his interviews that he made Kill Bill so if the cast of Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs would watch it they would like it.
* Tarentino said in one of his interviews that he made Kill Bill so if the cast of Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs would watch it they would like it.
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[[WMG: Pai Mei's training is the reason why the Bride survived the massacre.]]
Given that he's ReallySevenHundredYearsOld, he's probably got some tricks for cheating death, and if he trusted the Bride enough to teach her the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, he would've trusted her enough to teach her how to [[SupernaturalMartialArts survive grievous wounds]], so that instead of dying when beaten and then shot in the head, she entered a HealingComa. Bill didn't know about her learning the FPPEHT, which is why he chalked up her survival to mere chance. This also explains why the Bride was able to recover pretty quickly after waking up; she's able to [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower mentally augment]] her healing. Note that this doesn't make her immortal; presumably, if she were caught totally off-guard (as Pai Mei was when Elle poisoned him), she'd still die.
Given that he's ReallySevenHundredYearsOld, he's probably got some tricks for cheating death, and if he trusted the Bride enough to teach her the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, he would've trusted her enough to teach her how to [[SupernaturalMartialArts survive grievous wounds]], so that instead of dying when beaten and then shot in the head, she entered a HealingComa. Bill didn't know about her learning the FPPEHT, which is why he chalked up her survival to mere chance. This also explains why the Bride was able to recover pretty quickly after waking up; she's able to [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower mentally augment]] her healing. Note that this doesn't make her immortal; presumably, if she were caught totally off-guard (as Pai Mei was when Elle poisoned him), she'd still die.
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** O-Ren also apologized after mocking the Bride. The Bride excepted the apology and asked if O-Ren was ready... something that she did not afford the others on her list. She also seemed somewhat remorseful when she fought her, implying that there was a part of her that still felt kniship with O-Ren.
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** Considering there were two gunshots and a lot of screaming during their talk, it makes a lot of sense that she would've woken up.
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Obviously, we know that [[spoiler: Elle killed Pei Mei after he tore her eye out.]] We don't know exactly when this happened but it's implied that it happened during her training. Now, the Bride had already gone through training and it seems that Vernita at least went through training with Pei Mei since she could go hand-to-hand with the Bride. considering O-Ren was Bill's protege', we can assume that she also recieved Pei Mei (we never see her martial arts skills). This would leave Elle as the last person to be trained and we know how that ended. Everyone seemed to have a low opinion of Budd's skill. Obviously, he let himself go but when Bill asked if he was still practicing sword-fighting, martial arts never came up. He certainly didn't expect the Bride to punch her way through the coffin (seems that technique was the very first lesson.) So he was next in line to be trained and it never happened due to Elle.
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Obviously, we know that [[spoiler: Elle killed Pei Mei after he tore her eye out.]] We don't know exactly when this happened but it's implied that it happened during her training. Now, the Bride had already gone through training and it seems that Vernita at least went through training with Pei Mei since she could go hand-to-hand with the Bride. considering Considering O-Ren was Bill's protege', we can assume that she also recieved Pei Mei training (we never see her martial arts skills). This would leave Elle as the last person to be trained and we know how that ended. Everyone seemed to have a low opinion of Budd's skill. Obviously, he let himself go go, but when Bill asked if he was still practicing sword-fighting, martial arts never came up. He up. Budd certainly didn't expect the Bride to punch her way through the coffin (seems that technique was the very first lesson.) So he He was next in line to be trained and it never happened due to Elle.
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Pei Mei]] died before Budd could be trained.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Pei Mei]] Mei died before Budd could be trained.]]
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** I think Hanzo is supposed to be a good guy. I never watched the TV series but from what I understand, it's a long line of do-gooders who make really good swords. Bill took his training and swords and not only became an assassin but trained others to be assassins as well. Feeling betrayed, Hanzo retired and became a devout Buddhist.
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Pei Mei]] died before Budd could be trained.]]
Obviously, we know that [[spoiler: Elle killed Pei Mei after he tore her eye out.]] We don't know exactly when this happened but it's implied that it happened during her training. Now, the Bride had already gone through training and it seems that Vernita at least went through training with Pei Mei since she could go hand-to-hand with the Bride. considering O-Ren was Bill's protege', we can assume that she also recieved Pei Mei (we never see her martial arts skills). This would leave Elle as the last person to be trained and we know how that ended. Everyone seemed to have a low opinion of Budd's skill. Obviously, he let himself go but when Bill asked if he was still practicing sword-fighting, martial arts never came up. He certainly didn't expect the Bride to punch her way through the coffin (seems that technique was the very first lesson.) So he was next in line to be trained and it never happened due to Elle.
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* He also mentions how he "walks the earth" playing piano all across the country. Jules Winfield said he would "walk the earth" at the end of [[Pulp Fiction]].
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* He also mentions how he "walks the earth" playing piano all across the country. Jules Winfield said he would "walk the earth" at the end of [[Pulp Fiction]].Pulp Fiction.
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* He also mentions how he "walks the earth" playing piano all across the country. Jules Winfield said he would "walk the earth" at the end of [[Pulp Fiction]].
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* Let's review: The Bride was severely wounded in an attack and yet is able to leave the hospital,commander the "Party Wagon"(LOL)and seek revenge against the people that injured her.
Given the years of physical therapy that recovering from a coma would entail and the lack of obvious financial resources available to her,it's unlikely that The Bride would have been able track down highly trained, and one would assume extremely secretive, assassins.
And since no matter lopsided the odds or unlikely the circumstances,The Bride always overcomes and defeats her enemies,it's obvious that she is in a dream state and the movie series is a creation of her own imagination.
** This also explains why people can bring swords onto commercial passenger aircraft and not arouse suspicion.
Given the years of physical therapy that recovering from a coma would entail and the lack of obvious financial resources available to her,it's unlikely that The Bride would have been able track down highly trained, and one would assume extremely secretive, assassins.
And since no matter lopsided the odds or unlikely the circumstances,The Bride always overcomes and defeats her enemies,it's obvious that she is in a dream state and the movie series is a creation of her own imagination.
** This also explains why people can bring swords onto commercial passenger aircraft and not arouse suspicion.
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[[WMG: [[PulpFiction Winston Wolf]] will be in the sequel]]
The Wolf will clean up Vernita Green's house. Vernita's husband the Good Doctor Bell knows [[ReservoirDogs Bonnie]], [[PulpFiction Jimmie Dimmick]]'s wife. Bonnie knows her husband has connections and puts Bell in contact with the Wolf, who does help despite being retired after marrying Raquel from Monster Joe's Truck and Tow.
The Wolf will clean up Vernita Green's house. Vernita's husband the Good Doctor Bell knows [[ReservoirDogs Bonnie]], [[PulpFiction Jimmie Dimmick]]'s wife. Bonnie knows her husband has connections and puts Bell in contact with the Wolf, who does help despite being retired after marrying Raquel from Monster Joe's Truck and Tow.
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* Also, [[FromDuskTillDawn Seth Gekko]] gets take out from [[PulpFiction Big Kahuna Burger]].
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* Also, [[FromDuskTillDawn Seth Gekko]] gets take out from [[PulpFiction Big Kahuna Burger]].
Burger]], shortly after killing Earl.
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* Also, [[FromDuskTillDawn Seth Gekko]] gets take out from [[PulpFiction Big Kahuna Burger]].
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Super strong women with insane martial arts skills who kick crazy amounts of ass? Yep.
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Super strong women with insane martial arts skills who kick crazy amounts of ass? Yep.
Bill is a former Watcher and picked them specifically because of this.
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[[WMG: The Bride, and possibly all the female members of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad, were [[BuffyTheVampireSlayer slayers or potential slayers]].]]
[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Exactly what it says on the tin]]
[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Exactly what it says on the tin]]
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*** Also, their battle was the longest if you count getting through the Crazy 88 and definitely ''definitely'' the most honorable.
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*** Also, their battle was the longest if you count getting through the Crazy 88 and definitely the most honorable.
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After hearing so much buildup and seeing Pai Mei's fighting prowess, it seems rather anticlimactic that a thousand-year-old master like Pai Mei would die from being poisoned at the hands of a lowly student, especially after being called an old fool. It seems more likely that Elle attempted to poison Pai Mei, but failed, and was thrown out by Pai Mei in a rare moment of mercy. Telling Beatrix]] that she had murdered her master seems exactly the sort of cruel thing that Elle would use as psychological warfare, and the flashback was just a narration of Elle embellishing the story. Not to mention, if Beatrix reacted violently to the news of Pai Mei being killed in such a cowardly fashion, imagine Bill's reaction. If Elle did kill Pai Mei, Bill likely would have killed her, or at the very least, suspended her from the Deadly Vipers.
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After hearing so much buildup and seeing Pai Mei's fighting prowess, it seems rather anticlimactic that a thousand-year-old master like Pai Mei would die from being poisoned at the hands of a lowly student, especially after being called an old fool. It seems more likely that Elle attempted to poison Pai Mei, but failed, and was thrown out by Pai Mei in a rare moment of mercy. Telling Beatrix]] Beatrix that she had murdered her master seems exactly the sort of cruel thing that Elle would use as psychological warfare, and the flashback was just a narration of Elle embellishing the story. Not to mention, if Beatrix reacted violently to the news of Pai Mei being killed in such a cowardly fashion, imagine Bill's reaction. If Elle did kill Pai Mei, Bill likely would have killed her, or at the very least, suspended her from the Deadly Vipers.
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[[WMG: Elle didn't really kill Pai Mei.]]
After hearing so much buildup and seeing Pai Mei's fighting prowess, it seems rather anticlimactic that a thousand-year-old master like Pai Mei would die from being poisoned at the hands of a lowly student, especially after being called an old fool. It seems more likely that Elle attempted to poison Pai Mei, but failed, and was thrown out by Pai Mei in a rare moment of mercy. Telling Beatrix]] that she had murdered her master seems exactly the sort of cruel thing that Elle would use as psychological warfare, and the flashback was just a narration of Elle embellishing the story. Not to mention, if Beatrix reacted violently to the news of Pai Mei being killed in such a cowardly fashion, imagine Bill's reaction. If Elle did kill Pai Mei, Bill likely would have killed her, or at the very least, suspended her from the Deadly Vipers.
After hearing so much buildup and seeing Pai Mei's fighting prowess, it seems rather anticlimactic that a thousand-year-old master like Pai Mei would die from being poisoned at the hands of a lowly student, especially after being called an old fool. It seems more likely that Elle attempted to poison Pai Mei, but failed, and was thrown out by Pai Mei in a rare moment of mercy. Telling Beatrix]] that she had murdered her master seems exactly the sort of cruel thing that Elle would use as psychological warfare, and the flashback was just a narration of Elle embellishing the story. Not to mention, if Beatrix reacted violently to the news of Pai Mei being killed in such a cowardly fashion, imagine Bill's reaction. If Elle did kill Pai Mei, Bill likely would have killed her, or at the very least, suspended her from the Deadly Vipers.
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[[WMG: The yakuza thug with the long white hair who participates in the murder of O-Ren's parents is Bill.]]
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* It's almost indisputable - he has the same distinctive rings that we see in the shot of Bill's hand when he's talking on the phone to Elle in the first movie.
* There isn't a Yakuza thug with long white hair in the entire scene. The guy with the rings has a black hair, and while it falls on his eyes a lot, it's not what people would usually call long...
* There isn't a Yakuza thug with long white hair in the entire scene. The guy with the rings has a black hair, and while it falls on his eyes a lot, it's not what people would usually call long...
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* There isn't a Yakuza thug with long white hair in the entire scene. The guy with the rings has a black hair, and while it falls on his eyes a lot, it's not what people would usually call long...movie.
* There isn't a Yakuza thug with long white hair in the entire scene. The guy with the rings has a black hair, and while it falls on his eyes a lot, it's not what people would usually call long...
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** Also, it adds an extra level of punishment for those later on the list: Extra time to know and fear that she is comming to kill them.
* I agree that Vernita and The Bride had been the closest out of all of the assassins working with Bill. I also think there was at least a lot of mutual respect. Vernita understands revenge better than anyone in the vipers.
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* I agree thatVernita O-Ren and The Bride had been the closest out of all of the assassins working with Bill. I also think there was at least a lot of mutual respect. Vernita O-Ren understands revenge better than anyone in the vipers.
** There's also the fact that the Bride knew O-Ren's whole life story, and narrated it for the audience.
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** There's also the fact that the Bride knew O-Ren's whole life story, and narrated it for the audience.
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[[WMG: Bill once said something [[LethalChef deeply insulting regarding Hattori Hanzo's food preparing skills]].]]
Hattori Hanzo has retired from sword-making, presumably for moral reasons. But when he learns that the Bride needs a sword to [[TitleDrop kill Bill]], he oddly doesn't hesitate to forge one last sword. What has Bill done to him that makes him ignore his new principles?
* A first hind comes from Budd. Upon hearing about all this, he remarks that it is typical for the Japanese to never forget a grudge they bear against someone. Bill and Hanzo indeed seem to have had [[ItsPersonal a personal conflict]] back in the old days.
* Then, when Bill and the Bride finally meet again, he asks her if Hattori Hanzo's sushi is still that bad. This indicates that Bil actually has tasted Hanzo's food. When has this been? When Bill still was Hanzo's pupil in katana fighting? Maybe, but a weapon smith who can't cook that good is hardly remarkable.
* This leads us to the conclusion that Bill actually has once visited Hanzo's restaurant, probably shortly after Hanzo did retire and celebrated his grand opening. Back in these days, the two must still have been friends, because you'd hardly let your sworn enemy enter your house. Bill came as friend, tasted the food, was asked how he liked it, gave an honest answer - and departed as Hanzo's enemy.
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[[WMG:The Bride is still in a coma and all of the events of both films are just "dreams" or flashes of mental images that come to her while she lies in her hospital bed.]]
* Let's review: The Bride was severely wounded in an attack and yet is able to leave the hospital,commander the "Party Wagon"(LOL)and seek revenge against the people that injured her.
Given the years of physical therapy that recovering from a coma would entail and the lack of obvious financial resources available to her,it's unlikely that The Bride would have been able track down highly trained, and one would assume extremely secretive, assassins.
And since no matter lopsided the odds or unlikely the circumstances,The Bride always overcomes and defeats her enemies,it's obvious that she is in a dream state and the movie series is a creation of her own imagination.
** This also explains why people can bring swords onto commercial passenger aircraft and not arouse suspicion.
* Let's review: The Bride was severely wounded in an attack and yet is able to leave the hospital,commander the "Party Wagon"(LOL)and seek revenge against the people that injured her.
Given the years of physical therapy that recovering from a coma would entail and the lack of obvious financial resources available to her,it's unlikely that The Bride would have been able track down highly trained, and one would assume extremely secretive, assassins.
And since no matter lopsided the odds or unlikely the circumstances,The Bride always overcomes and defeats her enemies,it's obvious that she is in a dream state and the movie series is a creation of her own imagination.
** This also explains why people can bring swords onto commercial passenger aircraft and not arouse suspicion.
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[[WMG: Pai Mei is a body jumping monster.]]
Gordon Liu's character defeated Pai Mei in the universe that Kill Bill shares with Kung Fu (ties in with the 'Bill is Kwai Chang Caine' theory above). Now Gordon Liu's character IS Pai Mei. QED, Pai Mei's immortality doesn't come from Dragon Ball Z style TrainingFromHell but rather from body snatching. The reason he's so dismissive of the bride and reputedly hates blondes, whites, and women is because they are completely unsuitable for him to groom as replacements. In order to keep the real reason of his immortality a secret, Pai Mei only possesses bodies with at least some similar characteristics to his original. This also makes Bill's "In the year Double-aught-three" introduction make a little more sense. Presumably when Elle poisoned him, rather than beating him in a martial challenge, the secret of his immortality was lost.
Gordon Liu's character defeated Pai Mei in the universe that Kill Bill shares with Kung Fu (ties in with the 'Bill is Kwai Chang Caine' theory above). Now Gordon Liu's character IS Pai Mei. QED, Pai Mei's immortality doesn't come from Dragon Ball Z style TrainingFromHell but rather from body snatching. The reason he's so dismissive of the bride and reputedly hates blondes, whites, and women is because they are completely unsuitable for him to groom as replacements. In order to keep the real reason of his immortality a secret, Pai Mei only possesses bodies with at least some similar characteristics to his original. This also makes Bill's "In the year Double-aught-three" introduction make a little more sense. Presumably when Elle poisoned him, rather than beating him in a martial challenge, the secret of his immortality was lost.
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[[WMG: Gogo Yubari is a winner of a BattleRoyale]]
The scene where she murders the businessman in the bar occurs just after she has been crowned winner and released. He was the first person she killed after the Program ended where she was forced to slaughter her friends. Her meteor hammer is the weapon she was randomly assigned, which she keeps as a souvenir. The schoolgirl uniform is her old school uniform, after being thoroughly washed. O-Ren was impressed by the teenage killer and bought her on board to her Yakuza Clan.
The scene where she murders the businessman in the bar occurs just after she has been crowned winner and released. He was the first person she killed after the Program ended where she was forced to slaughter her friends. Her meteor hammer is the weapon she was randomly assigned, which she keeps as a souvenir. The schoolgirl uniform is her old school uniform, after being thoroughly washed. O-Ren was impressed by the teenage killer and bought her on board to her Yakuza Clan.
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This self-realization is what allows him to be the ''only'' character who snags the Bride. He doesn't play by Bill's rules, which he knows she follows. I also think that this allowed him to be the most effective assassin in the group when they were still together. Because he didn't fuck around.
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This self-realization is what allows him to be the ''only'' character who snags the Bride. He doesn't play by Bill's rules, which he knows she follows. I also think that this allowed him to be the most effective assassin in the group when they were still together. Because he didn't fuck around.
around. It also likely makes him more like historical Ninja than anything Bill ever could achieve.
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This self-realization is what allows him to be the ''only'' character who snags the Bride. He doesn't play by Bill's rules, which he knows she follows.
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follows. I also think that this allowed him to be the most effective assassin in the group when they were still together. Because he didn't fuck around.
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[[WMG: The conflict between Bill and Budd is based on Bill's fondness for being "old school"]]
Bill likes to think of himself as a samurai or Ninja or something. He thinks in terms of honor, likes swordplay, has a flair for the dramatic, etc. However, Budd understand what they are: killers. Period, end of story. The dead don't give a shit if they were killed by an "honorable" warrior or not. What they care about is the fact that they're ''dead''. So why should the killer care when the victim doesn't?
This self-realization is what allows him to be the ''only'' character who snags the Bride. He doesn't play by Bill's rules, which he knows she follows.
