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* As of ''Shadow of Freedom'', it's clear that the Solarians don't think the Edict applies to police actions, getting their puppet governments in the Verge to request their support in putting down rebellions, and then proceeding to do so with orbital kinetic strikes. And then in ''Cauldron of Ghosts'', Mesa's governing board comes to the conclusion that the Eridani Edict does not apply at all to a planetary government attacking their ''own'' population with orbital strikes.
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** No... he'll end up commanding the Talbott Guard's ''cavalry'' forces. Not Armored Cav or Airborne Cav. Horses. [[CrazyAwesome Just because.]]
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MWW\'s wife is named Sharon, not Shannon.


* Shanon is DavidWeber's wife name and a homage to her. Now the first author avatar was Hamish. It turns out DavidWeber has said there's a second one [[spoiler: Herlander Simões]]
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*[[spoiler:I find myself wondering if it would matter if she was wired thusly: Mike's already shown that she knows how to handle exceptionally subtle interrogations (albeit with some help in her ear) and after what happened with Lajos Irvine, they'll be treating anyone that Alfredo gets a whiff of Alignment off of with kid gloves.]]

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***** [[spoiler:Confirmed in ''Cauldron of Ghosts''. Mike, leading Tenth Fleet, reaches Mesa at the climax of the book and forces the regime surrender, saving Victor and Thandi from certain death in a doomed last stand in the process. The Alignment has already executed its accelerated version of Houdini by the time she arrives, though.]]
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*** First of all, Alignment cannot care less for Mesa and, if you read the novels carefully, already moved much of its operations to its own secret homeworld, on the other side of the Lynx junction. They only need to evacuate key personnel and leave Mesa to fend for itself. Second, you can be sure that once the anvil drops, no self-respecting SLN commander would ever listen to Rajampet's blabbering and it will be massive race for grabs, much like Chinese Revolution. Third, the whole thing is only a short-term damage control, little more than robbing Peter to pay Paul, and is simply, you know,... unprofessional. Inelegant. Not something that TheChessmaster of Detweiler's caliber would resort to.

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*** First of all, Alignment cannot care less for Mesa and, if you read the novels carefully, already moved much of its operations to its own secret homeworld, on the other side of the Lynx junction. They only need to evacuate key personnel and leave Mesa to fend for itself.itself, [[spoiler:which is exactly what happens in ''Cauldron of Ghosts'']]. Second, you can be sure that once the anvil drops, no self-respecting SLN commander would ever listen to Rajampet's blabbering and it will be massive race for grabs, much like Chinese Revolution. Third, the whole thing is only a short-term damage control, little more than robbing Peter to pay Paul, and is simply, you know,... unprofessional. Inelegant. Not something that TheChessmaster of Detweiler's caliber would resort to.
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[[WMG:Ganny El will become the first member of the Torch aristocracy]]
After all she's done for Torch, Berry will conclude that the only thing to do is to make her a titled noble: the Matriarch of Parnley Station.
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** [[Jossed, at least in part, by the events of ''Cauldron of Ghosts''. The Alignment did commit numerous terrorist outrages, culminating in a series of nuclear detonations, to cover Houdini, and the "official" Mesan government did drop kinetic-energy weapons on seccy strongholds in an effort to break their resistance. However, Mike Henke and 10th Fleet reached Mesa in time to rescue the seccy rebels - including Victor Cachat and Thandi Palane - and stop the regime from wrecking the planet completely.]]

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** [[Jossed, [[spoiler:Jossed, at least in part, by the events of ''Cauldron of Ghosts''. The Alignment did commit numerous terrorist outrages, culminating in a series of nuclear detonations, to cover Houdini, and the "official" Mesan government did drop kinetic-energy weapons on seccy strongholds in an effort to break their resistance. However, Mike Henke and 10th Fleet reached Mesa in time to rescue the seccy rebels - including Victor Cachat and Thandi Palane - and stop the regime from wrecking the planet completely.]]
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Honestly, this isn't so much WMG as CaptainObvious in some ways. A major subplot of ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is the execution of Houdini, and [[spoiler:the extremely harsh measures the Alignment has taken to protect the operation's secrecy - splitting families and relationships and going so far as to have the evacuees escorted by "bodyguards" who have orders to kill their charges if they come into danger of falling into enemy hands or the operation otherwise comes into danger of being exposed - have had the effect of turning at least Zachariah Mc Bryde, the brother of Jack Mc Bryde, against the Alignment. Once he reaches the onion's secret base/homeworld, it's almost certain that he's going to be pushed that last little bit into full-on treason and start looking for a way to spill the beans to the Grand Alliance.

There's also Audrey Hanrahan to consider. A close reading of her character shows that, Alignment agent or no, she's genuinely and deeply committed to her role as an Intrepid Reporter exposing government malfeasance and oppression, and she's shown to be truly angered by the incompetence and brutality of the "official" Mesan regime. Moreover, even though she's not part of Houdini and therefore has no formal knowledge of it, she's worked out that the "onion" is evacuating its core members. The combination of her conscience and her smarts might well cause her to do a Heel Face Turn, assuming that she doesn't have nanobots planted in her to kill her if she so much as spills a single bean...]]

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Honestly, this isn't so much WMG as CaptainObvious in some ways. A major subplot of ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is the execution of Houdini, and [[spoiler:the extremely harsh measures the Alignment has taken to protect the operation's secrecy - splitting families and relationships and going so far as to have the evacuees escorted by "bodyguards" who have orders to kill their charges if they come into danger of falling into enemy hands or the operation otherwise comes into danger of being exposed - have had the effect of turning at least Zachariah Mc Bryde, the brother of Jack Mc Bryde, against the Alignment. Once he reaches the onion's secret base/homeworld, it's almost certain that he's going to be pushed that last little bit into full-on treason and start looking for a way to spill the beans to the Grand Alliance.

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also Audrey Hanrahan to consider. A close reading of her character shows that, Alignment agent or no, she's genuinely and deeply committed to her role as an Intrepid Reporter exposing government malfeasance and oppression, and she's shown to be truly angered by the incompetence and brutality of the "official" Mesan regime. Moreover, even though she's not part of Houdini and therefore has no formal knowledge of it, she's worked out that the "onion" is evacuating its core members. The combination of her conscience and her smarts might well cause her to do a Heel Face Turn, assuming that she doesn't have nanobots planted in her to kill her if she so much as spills a single bean...]]

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* That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do, especially after the example of [=McBryde=]. The Detweilers already foresee problems with the coverup for Houdini because some of the people being evacuated are bound to disagree with their neighbors and friends not on the list being nuked to cover their escape. Doing it to the whole planet would create a whole army of potential [=McBrydes=]. I could see them doing it on a small scale (one or two explosions in the right place...) but large-scale destruction of Mesa would be self-defeating.

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* That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do, especially after the example of [=McBryde=]. The Detweilers already foresee problems with the coverup for Houdini because some of the people being evacuated are bound to disagree with their neighbors and friends not on the list being nuked to cover their escape.escape, as has been confirmed in ''Cauldron of Ghosts''. Doing it to the whole planet would create a whole army of potential [=McBrydes=]. I could see them doing it on a small scale (one or two explosions in the right place...) but large-scale destruction of Mesa would be self-defeating.




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** [[Jossed, at least in part, by the events of ''Cauldron of Ghosts''. The Alignment did commit numerous terrorist outrages, culminating in a series of nuclear detonations, to cover Houdini, and the "official" Mesan government did drop kinetic-energy weapons on seccy strongholds in an effort to break their resistance. However, Mike Henke and 10th Fleet reached Mesa in time to rescue the seccy rebels - including Victor Cachat and Thandi Palane - and stop the regime from wrecking the planet completely.]]



Honestly, this isn't so much WMG as CaptainObvious in some ways. A major subplot of ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is the execution of Houdini, and [[spoiler:the extremely harsh measures the Alignment has taken to protect the operation's secrecy - splitting families and relationships and going so far as to have the evacuees escorted by "bodyguards" who have orders to kill their charges if they come into danger of falling into enemy hands or the operation otherwise comes into danger of being exposed - have had the effect of turning at least Zachariah Mc Bryde, the brother of Jack Mc Bryde, against the Alignment. Once he reaches the onion's secret base/homeworld, it's almost certain that he's going to be pushed that last little bit into full-on treason and start looking for a way to spill the beans to the Grand Alliance.]]

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Honestly, this isn't so much WMG as CaptainObvious in some ways. A major subplot of ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is the execution of Houdini, and [[spoiler:the extremely harsh measures the Alignment has taken to protect the operation's secrecy - splitting families and relationships and going so far as to have the evacuees escorted by "bodyguards" who have orders to kill their charges if they come into danger of falling into enemy hands or the operation otherwise comes into danger of being exposed - have had the effect of turning at least Zachariah Mc Bryde, the brother of Jack Mc Bryde, against the Alignment. Once he reaches the onion's secret base/homeworld, it's almost certain that he's going to be pushed that last little bit into full-on treason and start looking for a way to spill the beans to the Grand Alliance.Alliance.

There's also Audrey Hanrahan to consider. A close reading of her character shows that, Alignment agent or no, she's genuinely and deeply committed to her role as an Intrepid Reporter exposing government malfeasance and oppression, and she's shown to be truly angered by the incompetence and brutality of the "official" Mesan regime. Moreover, even though she's not part of Houdini and therefore has no formal knowledge of it, she's worked out that the "onion" is evacuating its core members. The combination of her conscience and her smarts might well cause her to do a Heel Face Turn, assuming that she doesn't have nanobots planted in her to kill her if she so much as spills a single bean...
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** [[spoiler:It only takes one person to spill the beans, and as of the end of Cauldron of Ghosts, Zachariah McBryde, Jack McBryde's brother, who has been evacuated along with the rest of the onion - being forced to leave his family behind in the process, and having seen his closest remaining friend gruesomely killed - is well and truly disaffected. Don't be surprised if the next novel in the Anton/Victor series has as its main plot our heroic SpookDuo hunting down the location of the Alignment's bolthole, while Zack, on his own end, is looking for a way to pass the location of said bolthole to the good guys.]]

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** [[spoiler:It only takes one person to spill the beans, and as of the end of Cauldron of Ghosts, Zachariah McBryde, Mc Bryde, Jack McBryde's Mc Bryde's brother, who has been evacuated along with the rest of the onion - being forced to leave his family behind in the process, and having seen his closest remaining friend gruesomely killed - is well and truly disaffected. Don't be surprised if the next novel in the Anton/Victor series has as its main plot our heroic SpookDuo Spook Duo hunting down the location of the Alignment's bolthole, while Zack, on his own end, is looking for a way to pass the location of said bolthole to the good guys.]]
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Honestly, this isn't so much WMG as CaptainObvious in some ways. A major subplot of ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is the execution of Houdini, and [[spoiler:the extremely harsh measures the Alignment has taken to protect the operation's secrecy - splitting families and relationships and going so far as to have the evacuees escorted by "bodyguards" who have orders to kill their charges if they come into danger of falling into enemy hands or the operation otherwise comes into danger of being exposed - have had the effect of turning at least Zachariah McBryde, the brother of Jack McBryde, against the Alignment. Once he reaches the onion's secret base/homeworld, it's almost certain that he's going to be pushed that last little bit into full-on treason and start looking for a way to spill the beans to the Grand Alliance.]]

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Honestly, this isn't so much WMG as CaptainObvious in some ways. A major subplot of ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is the execution of Houdini, and [[spoiler:the extremely harsh measures the Alignment has taken to protect the operation's secrecy - splitting families and relationships and going so far as to have the evacuees escorted by "bodyguards" who have orders to kill their charges if they come into danger of falling into enemy hands or the operation otherwise comes into danger of being exposed - have had the effect of turning at least Zachariah McBryde, Mc Bryde, the brother of Jack McBryde, Mc Bryde, against the Alignment. Once he reaches the onion's secret base/homeworld, it's almost certain that he's going to be pushed that last little bit into full-on treason and start looking for a way to spill the beans to the Grand Alliance.]]
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[[WMG: The Alignment's efforts to hide Houdini will return to bite it in the ass, big-time.]]

Honestly, this isn't so much WMG as CaptainObvious in some ways. A major subplot of ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is the execution of Houdini, and [[spoiler:the extremely harsh measures the Alignment has taken to protect the operation's secrecy - splitting families and relationships and going so far as to have the evacuees escorted by "bodyguards" who have orders to kill their charges if they come into danger of falling into enemy hands or the operation otherwise comes into danger of being exposed - have had the effect of turning at least Zachariah McBryde, the brother of Jack McBryde, against the Alignment. Once he reaches the onion's secret base/homeworld, it's almost certain that he's going to be pushed that last little bit into full-on treason and start looking for a way to spill the beans to the Grand Alliance.]]
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** [[spoiler:It only takes one person to spill the beans, and as of the end of Cauldron of Ghosts, Zachariah McBryde, Jack McBryde's brother, who has been evacuated along with the rest of the onion - being forced to leave his family behind in the process, and having seen his closest remaining friend gruesomely killed - is well and truly disaffected. Don't be surprised if the next novel in the Anton/Victor series has as its main plot our heroic SpookDuo hunting down the location of the Alignment's bolthole, while Zack, on his own end, is looking for a way to pass the location of said bolthole to the good guys.]]
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As more worlds start to leave the League, the Solarian government - the REAL one - will either adopt what amounts to martial law, or simply be overthrown in a military coup. They will basically ignore the Grand Alliance, and focus on holding the League together through naked force. The Alignment will use this as an excellent pretext to unleash the Renaissance Factor, and Barregos will activate the Sepoy Option...

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As more worlds start to leave the League, the Solarian government - the REAL one - will either adopt what amounts to martial law, or simply be overthrown in a military coup. They will basically ignore the Grand Alliance, and focus on holding the League together through naked force. The Alignment will use this as an excellent pretext to unleash the Renaissance Factor, and Barregos will activate the Sepoy Option...
Option...[[spoiler:Even though the collapse is only just beginning, as of Cauldron of Ghosts the Sepoy Option appears to be beginning to go into effect, as the Maya Sector is forming a tripartite alliance with Erewhon and Torch.]]
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** Pretty much confirmed in ''Cauldron of Ghosts''. [[spoiler:The point is made that even if the Solarian League can't enforce the Eridani Edict anymore, other signatories, such as Manticore and Haven, still can, and they will be very, very displeased with Mesa's regime dropping kinetic-energy weapons on its own population.]]
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* [[spoiler:Entirely likely. In the only chapter focusing on Mesa in ''A Rising Thunder'', they prepare to put into operation a plan called "Houdini" which will involve vanishing several core onion members. They discuss the use of additional nukes on their own capitol to cover up more disappearances. It seems likely that the Mesan Alignment planned to abandon Mesa from the beginning.]]

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* [[spoiler:Entirely likely. In the only chapter focusing on Mesa in ''A Rising Thunder'', they prepare to put into operation a plan called "Houdini" which will involve vanishing several core onion members. They discuss the use of additional nukes on their own capitol to cover up more disappearances. It seems likely that the Mesan Alignment planned to abandon Mesa from the beginning. This has been confirmed, in all its gruesome details, in Cauldron of Ghosts. We even get rough numbers for the numbers of "onion" personnel evacuated, anywhere between 5,000 - 30,000.]]
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* As of the end of Cauldron of Ghosts, [[spoiler: Mike's arrival has forced the surrender of Mesa, saving Victor, Thandi, and Co. in the process. Houdini has already gotten all of the Alignment's personnel out. Anton has figured out the existence of Houdini and arrived back in Manticore with that knowledge, but has no idea where Houdini took them.]]

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* As of the end of Cauldron of Ghosts, [[spoiler: Mike's arrival has forced the surrender of Mesa, saving Victor, Thandi, and Co. in the process. Houdini has already gotten all of the Alignment's personnel out. Anton has figured out the existence of Houdini and arrived back in Manticore with that knowledge, but has no idea where Houdini took them. Though that will change if and when somebody puts two and two together and gets a hunch as to what actually happened to the Harvest Joy.]]
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* No Apollo or anything, but in Cauldron of Ghosts, [[spoiler: Torch tucks a pair of their frigates and several assault shuttles up the sleeves of the ''Hali Sowle'' and uses it to punch out a slaver depot.]]

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**** Close. In Cauldron of Ghosts, [[spoiler: Victor, Anton, Thandi, and Yana return to Mesa and instigate a seccy (decedents of manumitted slaves) uprising in Mesa's capital city. The book ends just after Mike shows up and prevents them from being overrun by Mesan forces.]]




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* As of the end of Cauldron of Ghosts, [[spoiler: Mike's arrival has forced the surrender of Mesa, saving Victor, Thandi, and Co. in the process. Houdini has already gotten all of the Alignment's personnel out. Anton has figured out the existence of Houdini and arrived back in Manticore with that knowledge, but has no idea where Houdini took them.]]
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***** But Heaven also gets Victor Cahact. But everyone just assumed he was on Satan's side right up until the point where he opened fire.
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*** Wait... [[spoiler:A ColonyDrop using [[StealthPun a colony of treecats?]]]]
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* Augustus Khumalo and Estelle Matsuko. We all know how Weber loves his HugeGuyTinyGirl pairings, after all, and their relationship has become ''considerably'' warmer of late...
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Take a look at any decent map of the Honorverse. Notice what is at the bottom? Earth and the Solarian League. But WordOfGod and common sense say that the whole of the Honorverse is larger than that. There are no doubt several major regional powers on the far side of the Solarian League, probably with their own feuds and reasons to fight. I don't think there have been any major wars over there, otherwise we'd have heard about them, but maybe nobody's bothered to mention the ColdWar (and accompanying LensmanArmsRace) between the Ambrosian Union and the Commonwealth of Typhon. And if they haven't been actively fighting, nobody might have realized that the Ambries and the Typhies have independently developed some of the same tech as Manticore and Haven... and some of the tech they haven't.

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Take a look at any decent map of the Honorverse. Notice what is at the bottom? Earth and the Solarian League. But WordOfGod and common sense say that the whole of the Honorverse is larger than that. There are no doubt several major regional powers on the far side of the Solarian League, probably with their own feuds and reasons to fight. I don't think there have been any major wars over there, otherwise we'd have heard about them, but maybe nobody's bothered to mention the ColdWar (and accompanying LensmanArmsRace) between the Ambrosian Union and the Commonwealth of Typhon. And if they haven't been actively fighting, nobody might have realized that the Ambries and the Typhies have independently developed some of the same tech as Manticore and Haven... and some of the tech they haven't.
haven't. Think about all the advancements the United States and the Soviet Union made in naval technology during the ColdWar.
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[[WMG:There's another player waiting in the wings.]]
Take a look at any decent map of the Honorverse. Notice what is at the bottom? Earth and the Solarian League. But WordOfGod and common sense say that the whole of the Honorverse is larger than that. There are no doubt several major regional powers on the far side of the Solarian League, probably with their own feuds and reasons to fight. I don't think there have been any major wars over there, otherwise we'd have heard about them, but maybe nobody's bothered to mention the ColdWar (and accompanying LensmanArmsRace) between the Ambrosian Union and the Commonwealth of Typhon. And if they haven't been actively fighting, nobody might have realized that the Ambries and the Typhies have independently developed some of the same tech as Manticore and Haven... and some of the tech they haven't.

Normally, this wouldn't be relevant, but the Manticoran-Solarian war (and the collapse of the League) is set to be the biggest war in the history of humanity. Nearly everyone is going to get involved. And it would be just like the Mesans to have a few people in those distant nations to push them into helping Mesa. So Manticore and Haven might be fighting their way through the Solarian League... and then meet someone with their own set of tech surprises.
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* Frontier Fleet has virtually no wallers of their own — most of their units never have had anything heavier than the battlecruiser, and when they do operate [=SDs=] it is most often the Battle Fleet detachments. While it is true that the tech gap is so bug that ''destroyers'' are routinely trumping battlecruisers, wallers would offer at least a chance of survival after being hit, while picking up the fight with the Frontier Fleet's current force mix is an outright suicide. And for closing the tech gap — well, it is easier said than done. It took Havenites at least five years and Shannon Foraker to at last get somewhat close to the Manties' level, while Sollies aren't just behind the curve — they're actively in denial that they are! Even when they'd finally see the writings on the wall (Kingsford at least has a functioning brain, unlike Rajampet) it would take them no less than several years to even try to close that gap — just building one SD from scratch takes at least tree to four years. So until ''all'' these plays out, their only chance of win would be if the Manty commander screws up by the number.
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[[WMG:Frontier Fleet will score the Solarian League's first win against Manticore.]]
A great deal has been made of the fact that the majority of Battle Fleet and its officer corps are pretty much TooDumbToLive. Frontier Fleet, but contrast, has officers who have been shown to be generally more reasonable. Meyers top officer, Thurgood, takes the implications of events at Monica in ''Shadow of Saganami'' very seriously. The whole Byng subplot in ''Storm from the Shadows'' was because the FF captain wanted a realistic appraisal of Manticore's potential ability. While the vice-admiral at Saltash ''does'' badly underestimate the Manties, a good deal of it falls under EntertaininglyWrong, using genuine logic but still turning out wrong. She and her crew made a legitimate effort and failed largely due to not realizing the sheer size of their technology gap. She still understood they were potentially outclassed but just couldn't ''not'' fight.

That said, if enough time passes that the tech gap between the Grand Alliance and the Solarian League starts to narrow (or if an especially savvy FF commander shows up as the RightManInTheWrongPlace), it will be Frontier Fleet, not Battle Fleet, who either scores the first win against Manticoran ships, or at least bloodies their noses in a way that no other Solarian commander has yet managed.
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* If any Havenite is going to get adopted, it is going to be Thomas Theisman.

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Forget Honor and Hamish, Eloise and Javier or even Elizabeth and Justin. The true one true pairing of the series, the romance that was meant to be and will be beautiful to behold is to be between Shanon Foraker and Thomas Theisman.
* I prefer Shanon and Scotty. The hot-shot "fighter" pilot and the tech-geek :).

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Forget Honor and Hamish, Eloise and Javier or even Elizabeth and Justin. The true one true pairing of the series, the romance that was meant to be and will be beautiful to behold is to be between Shanon Shannon Foraker and Thomas Theisman.
* I prefer Shanon Shannon and Scotty. The hot-shot "fighter" pilot and the tech-geek :).



** They could make it a three-way with Sonja Hempill....
*** Word of God is Shanon and Sonja do become instant [=BFFs=]...
* Shanon Foraker, LauncherOfAThousandShips.

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** They could make it a three-way with Sonja Hempill....
Hemphill....
*** Word of God is Shanon Shannon and Sonja do become instant [=BFFs=]...
*** Meanwhile, Eloise finds SecondLove with Thomas Theisman.
* Shanon Shannon Foraker, LauncherOfAThousandShips.
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* Abigail Hearns and Michael Oversteegen. Go on, read the last chapter of "The Service of the Sword" and say the foundations aren't there!

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