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** Book Tours, been written up on the Baen Webboards too.
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* What I like to see (and I think will be seeing) is Renaissance Factor rearing its head with all the fanfare, only to be stomped to dust by Haven, as they steamroller the entire Solarian League. If anybody has the technology, population, industry and the will to do it post-Oyster Bay, it is the Republic, and Tom Theisman would probably gleefully dismantle every single plan Mesa had ever concocted and every hope they had gleefully.
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* What I like to see (and I think will be seeing) is Renaissance Factor rearing its head with all the fanfare, only to be stomped to dust by Haven, as they steamroller the entire Solarian League. If anybody has the technology, population, industry and the will to do it post-Oyster Bay, it is the Republic, and Tom Theisman would probably gleefully dismantle every single plan Mesa had ever concocted and every hope they had gleefully.
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*** [[MahouSenseiNegima Death by a thousand cats!]]]
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OK, not really a WMG for the title...more like "writing on the wall". Actual WMGs:
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*** [[MahouSenseiNegima Death by a thousand cats!]]]
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** Wait, WHAT? Source. NOW.
** Wait, WHAT? Source. NOW.
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[[WMG: Wix and Kare will develop a Spider Drive detector]]
1) Wormholes have been described as holes between hyperspace and normal space. 2) Spider-drive ships punch holes from normal space into hyperspace to move. 3) Manticore has the galaxy's most experienced team of wormhole detectors on staff. [[spoiler:4) Said team was very conspicuously kept alive when ''Harvest Joy'' was lost.]]
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*No, no, no, no, NO! If Manticore's going to do it, they'll do it proper. Which leads to...
[[WMG: Shit's about to hit the fan and get WIERD!]]
OK, not really a WMG for the title...more like "writing on the wall". Actual WMGs:
*The SLN fleet heading to Manticore won't even pause to realize that the folks defending the system aren't all the same folks that own the system...but will get curbstomped just the same.
*Shannon Foraker will get access to Manticoran R&D - after the week-long nerdgasm, she'll start ''improving'' on Apollo (much to Sonja Hemphill's chagrin). Haven's production lines will start churning out the joint designs just as existing stocks run out.
*''Haven'' goes after the Sollies for the deaths of their servicemembers killed in the Second Battle of Manticore. Meanwhile, Eigth Fleet goes for Mesa's jugular - along with a clan or three of treecats.
Hmmm. I better stop. The drool's starting to threaten to spatter on my keyboard.
[[WMG: Shit's about to hit the fan and get WIERD!]]
OK, not really a WMG for the title...more like "writing on the wall". Actual WMGs:
*The SLN fleet heading to Manticore won't even pause to realize that the folks defending the system aren't all the same folks that own the system...but will get curbstomped just the same.
*Shannon Foraker will get access to Manticoran R&D - after the week-long nerdgasm, she'll start ''improving'' on Apollo (much to Sonja Hemphill's chagrin). Haven's production lines will start churning out the joint designs just as existing stocks run out.
*''Haven'' goes after the Sollies for the deaths of their servicemembers killed in the Second Battle of Manticore. Meanwhile, Eigth Fleet goes for Mesa's jugular - along with a clan or three of treecats.
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*** The ThemeNaming, I believe, is just a Flint's AuthorAppeal -- after all, it was Flint who made Kevin Usher a movie buff. ;) And it's explicitly said to be a rare and peculiar hobby, so to make this connection alone would require a rather unorthodox mind and a great deal of luck. And the point of problems with deep penetration still stands, I think.
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*** The ThemeNaming, I believe, is just a Flint's AuthorAppeal -- after all, it was Flint who made Kevin Usher a movie buff. ;) And it's explicitly said to be a rare and peculiar hobby, so to make this connection alone would require a rather unorthodox mind and a great deal of luck. And the point of problems with deep penetration still stands, I think.
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** Seriously? The Alignment's biggest strength is that they're running one of the longest games in fiction outside {{Dune}}. It's very hard to detect an agent who is in place decades or more before they're tasked with doing ''anything.'' The biggest stumbling block, admittedly, is the problem of skirting the line between having kids that come across as Draco Malfoy vs. having the kids swallow the opposition's dogma.
** Seriously? The Alignment's biggest strength is that they're running one of the longest games in fiction outside {{Dune}}. It's very hard to detect an agent who is in place decades or more before they're tasked with doing ''anything.'' The biggest stumbling block, admittedly, is the problem of skirting the line between having kids that come across as Draco Malfoy vs. having the kids swallow the opposition's dogma.
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[[WMG: Mesa will get caught in the crossfire of the war they manipulated]]
Well, it's not that far off from the Talbott cluster or the Solarian League, if a massive Manticoran fleet were to "accidentally" end up in their system and a few hundred missiles "just happened" to impact Mesa...
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*** The ThemeNaming, I believe, is just a Flint's AuthorAppeal -- after all, it was Flint who made Kevin Usher a movie buff. ;) And it's explicitly said to be a rare and peculiar hobby, so to make this connection alone would require a rather unorthodox mind and a great deal of luck. And the point of problems with deep penetration still stands, I think.
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** Are those their real names? Wouldn't those alone blow any "cover" by suggesting a pre-existing connection? ... "No, no... see it was the other way round. First we were an intergalactic club of people with 20th-century movie director names - then we got interested in politics."
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* Doesn't work out that way. Penetrating Beowulf ''that'' deep 1) takes too much effort and resources that may be used elsewhere more efficiently, and Alignment works more on a indirect approach, rather than on such hands-on ideas, and 2) it takes too much time. It's ''very'' difficult to ensure a proper succession of a sleeper agent to his kids -- who are don't ''feel'' the need to be a spies or agents against what for all intents and purposes is their homeland. Which, actually, was discussed [[WordOfGod in more or less the same language]] in ''Torch of Freedom''. And, 3) penetration of that depth is possible only if Beowulf ''does not'' possess anything remotely resembling a functional counter-intelligence agency (which, judging by the efficiency of their ''intelligence'' agencies, it most emphatically ''does'' possess), and even then it runs too high a risk of blowing the cover.
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* Doesn't work out that way. Penetrating Beowulf ''that'' deep 1) takes too much effort and resources that may be used elsewhere more efficiently, and Alignment works more on a indirect approach, rather than on such hands-on ideas, and 2) it takes too much time. It's ''very'' difficult to ensure a proper succession of a sleeper agent to his kids -- who are just don't ''feel'' the need to be a spies or agents against what for all intents and purposes is their homeland. Which, actually, was discussed [[WordOfGod in more or less the same language]] in ''Torch of Freedom''. And, 3) penetration of that depth is possible only if Beowulf ''does not'' possess anything remotely resembling a functional counter-intelligence agency (which, judging by the efficiency of their ''intelligence'' agencies, it most emphatically ''does'' possess), and even then it runs too high a risk of blowing the cover.
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* Doesn't work out that way. Penetrating Beowulf ''that'' deep 1) takes too much effort and resources that may be used elsewhere more efficiently, and Alignment works more on a indirect approach, rather than on such hands-on ideas, and 2) it takes too much time. It's ''very'' difficult to ensure a proper succession of a sleeper agent to his kids -- who are don't ''feel'' the need to be a spies or agents against what for all intents and purposes is their homeland. Which, actually, was discussed [[WordOfGod in more or less the same language]] in ''Torch of Freedom''. And, 3) penetration of that depth is possible only if Beowulf ''does not'' possess anything remotely resembling a functional counter-intelligence agency (which, judging by the efficiency of their ''intelligence'' agencies, it most emphatically ''does'' possess), and even then it runs too high a risk of blowing the cover.
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** 'Cats don't ''need'' any such pesky details like declarations and other useless paperwork. ;) They are direct, uncomplicated people. If they decide that they need Alignment dead, they'll see to that, plain and simple.
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[[WMG: Somewhat building on the above: Treecats will get humanity help them draft a formal declaration of war on Mesa.]]
* Treecats have been gradually becoming a more active part of galactic society. Not quite to the point of election to Parliament, mind you. But then, their adoptions by powerful people make them almost {{Almighty Janitor}}s in a sense, anyway. They could get humans, like Elizabeth or Honor, to help them draft a formal declaration against the perpetrators of the Oyster Bay attacks. Maybe even a formal alliance with the rest of the Manticoran Alliance and/or Torch.
* Treecats have been gradually becoming a more active part of galactic society. Not quite to the point of election to Parliament, mind you. But then, their adoptions by powerful people make them almost {{Almighty Janitor}}s in a sense, anyway. They could get humans, like Elizabeth or Honor, to help them draft a formal declaration against the perpetrators of the Oyster Bay attacks. Maybe even a formal alliance with the rest of the Manticoran Alliance and/or Torch.
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[[WMG: The Alphanes were a massively genocidal race of xenophobic pricks and/or ran right smack against the [[ApocalypseHow Great Filter]]]]
Let's do the math, here: There are 1000 F, G, and K class stars within 100 light-years of Earth, meaning that there would be 1,000,000 within one thousand--the radius of the explored galaxy in the Honorverse. In that volume there are "about a dozen" known sentient species. About 10% of stars in the galaxy are these classes, so if we take a conservative estimate of the number of stars in the galaxy, 100,000,000,000/10*12/1,000,000=120,000. There should be 120,000 sentient species in the Honorverse' Milky Way. Yes, they can "only" go some 40,000 times the speed of light, but still, we should have bumped up against someone more advanced than we are by now. Did the Alphanes kill them all? Or is whatever happened to the Alphanes the fate that awaits all sentient life in the Honorverse? (When I brought this up at the honorverse wiki, someone said that there were more than a dozen sapient species in the honorverse--which, if true, only makes things ''worse!'')
Let's do the math, here: There are 1000 F, G, and K class stars within 100 light-years of Earth, meaning that there would be 1,000,000 within one thousand--the radius of the explored galaxy in the Honorverse. In that volume there are "about a dozen" known sentient species. About 10% of stars in the galaxy are these classes, so if we take a conservative estimate of the number of stars in the galaxy, 100,000,000,000/10*12/1,000,000=120,000. There should be 120,000 sentient species in the Honorverse' Milky Way. Yes, they can "only" go some 40,000 times the speed of light, but still, we should have bumped up against someone more advanced than we are by now. Did the Alphanes kill them all? Or is whatever happened to the Alphanes the fate that awaits all sentient life in the Honorverse? (When I brought this up at the honorverse wiki, someone said that there were more than a dozen sapient species in the honorverse--which, if true, only makes things ''worse!'')
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** For starters, Havenite population is ''not'' paranoid. And they are just as tired of that damn war as Manties are, if not more. And as for 'cats -- well, they ''do'' have their names for the pair already, and given their regard for the two (Theisman's name is Dreams of Peace, for Gods's sake!) -- that might be a more that possible development. But we still have to wait a couple of years more.
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* Why not Shannon Foraker? If anyone deserves a treecat, she does. She's almost as cute as they are, in a nerdy geek-girl sort of way.
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* Why is it that every WMG page gets infected by people being cute with crossover ideas? It'd be nice to save them for things that conceivably ''could'' be true. Grumble grumble.
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[[WMG:Board Chairman Joan Kubrick is chairwoman of Beowulf's Board of Directors]]
She's the only member of the Alignment's heads of state that doesn't have their home system identified. We know Beowulf is run by a Board of Directors, there's no one the Mesans are more likely to keep an eye on, and having Beowulf as a founding member of the Renaissance Factor would be a surefire way to proof themselves from any accusation of being Mesan puppets.
Detweiler also, I'm sure, appreciates the irony of using their old nemesis as a cornerstone of Mesa's eventual triumph over Beowulf.
The largest reason Manticore had to go was because it was an alternative to the Factor for Beowulf; when the League falls apart, with the Manticoran Alliance still a going concern, Beowulf will just sign onto that, assuming it doesn't just go whole hog and request annexation by the Star Empire; with the way things are going, it's possible that Beowulf joining with Manticore will be the beginning of the League's collapse.
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*** The problem is what advantage does a power armored Treecat have over a power armored human in a fight? Defeating power armor requires quite heavy weaponry and the extra size of the human means he can carry significantly more and larger weaponry than the cat. The two primary advantages cats have over unarmored humans are that they are hard targets to hit and they have built in weaponry. The power armor essentially negates these advantages. Their claws are (obviously) useless and the computer support in the power armor would negate their ability to dodge shots. They would have a small stealth advantage (smaller power signature and all) but that wouldn't compensate for the fact that they would need to carry smaller guns and would probably have less ammo for them than humans. This means that they would have a much harder time killing a power armored human (due to less powerful weapons) and a shorter combat duration. There would be some benefit to have Treecat crewed starships (less mass for life support = more mass for weapons) and Treecats would obviously make excellent infiltrators but realistically infantry is one of the places where size matters a lot (heck, one of the characters says as much in the short story "The Hard Way Home").
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*** Not that tough, IMNSHO. These guys might be somewhat self-serving, but stupid they aren't. Their self-serving nature is actually ''advantageous'' to Manticore at this point -- they "love" League no more their neighbors do, so alliance against Sollies is salable by the same logic as against Peeps. If they were willing to risk fighting one conqueror encroaching on their turf, why they should cop out when the other one appears? BTW, remember Benjamin musing about Solly reaction to the Grayson personnel aboard Manticoran warships when the shit hits the fan? Andies are basically in the same position.
*** Paul Tankersley had built several skinsuits for Nimitz essentially as a hobby project in his spare time, and officers don't have much of it, really. ;) And there are two major PoweredArmor types in Honorverse -- one is essentially a souped-up skinnie, with some protective plates and muscle fibers added, so it's neither difficult to produce (see above), nor would it limit 'cat's mobility etc. Heavy PA (read Astartes/Elemental type) is another kettle of fish, and adapting it for 'cats would indeed need a major design effort, but why should it limit their effectiveness I really don't see. Remember, we're talking about the civilization, that routinely defends against massive RKV attacks -- which would require FTL computing, to be realistic. Why couldn't this civilization built a PA for the species with slightly quicker reaction than humans -- I don't get. And from pure engineering standpoint, the shorter the limb the easier are quick and accurete movements, so designing a quick-acting PA for 'cats should be actually ''easier'' than for humans.
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This is why she is so very, ''very'' good at all things combat-related. She's very careful about only using personal essence when using Charms to pull off the impossible, which is why nobody else knows.
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** I expect the Andermani will get involved (again) eventually, but it's going to be a tough sell. Of course, they also had an improbable assassin that fits with the known assassins altered by the Alignment.
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