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* ...is the world where Asriel builds his fortress. It does look like it invokes the Tower of Babel.
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* ...is the world where Asriel builds his fortress. It does look like it invokes the Tower of Babel.Babel.
** As with the world seen in the last chapter in Northern Lights,the most probable possibiity is that the world they see is actually Citagazze.
** As with the world seen in the last chapter in Northern Lights,the most probable possibiity is that the world they see is actually Citagazze.
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They get pulled into the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse by the Tesseract, like Loki did. AndTheAdventureContinues.
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They get pulled into the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse by the Tesseract, like Loki did. AndTheAdventureContinues.AndTheAdventureContinues.
[[WMG: The world seen below Lyra's world in the intro...]]
* ...is the world where Asriel builds his fortress. It does look like it invokes the Tower of Babel.
[[WMG: The world seen below Lyra's world in the intro...]]
* ...is the world where Asriel builds his fortress. It does look like it invokes the Tower of Babel.
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** [[MagicTheGathering Like Planeswalking]]? An MTG/HDM crossover fic would be awesome beyond belief.
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** [[MagicTheGathering [[TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering Like Planeswalking]]? An MTG/HDM crossover fic would be awesome beyond belief.
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[[WMG: Literature/HisDarkMaterials takes place in MagicTheGathering's Multiverse.]]
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[[WMG: Literature/HisDarkMaterials takes place in MagicTheGathering's TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering's Multiverse.]]
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*** Narnia's first king was a cab driver from the early 19th century and his wife who became queen. Their descendants ruled for about 800-900 years until Jadis took over and put Narnia in a deep freeze. The Pevensies were the next human rulers who were WWII kids and teens who ruled for about 30 or so years until they left. Narnia was then left without a human ruler for hundreds of (possibly around 800-1,000) when the descendants of pirates and Polynesian women came to power. No one from our world knew of "atomcraft" or anything of how to make modern day (to them) technology from scratch. The talking animals didn't care about that kind of technology.
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*If this were the case it would absolutely require a father to be present at birth. Think about it, Asriel's snow leopard couldn't give birth to Pan in the arctic while Coulter is giving birth to Lyra in England. In fact to take it even further to a logical conclusion it would probably mean the two parents can't go far from each other at all during pregnancy in fear of killing the gestating daemon and baby by separating them.
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Under Pullman's text, no, just because Lyra and Will are {{The Chosen One}}s. Under my theory, yes.
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Under Pullman's text, no, just because Lyra and Will are {{The Chosen One}}s. Under my theory, yes.yes.
[[WMG: After Coulter and Asriel plummet through the Abyss for some time...]]
They get pulled into the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse by the Tesseract, like Loki did. AndTheAdventureContinues.
[[WMG: After Coulter and Asriel plummet through the Abyss for some time...]]
They get pulled into the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse by the Tesseract, like Loki did. AndTheAdventureContinues.
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* That would explain why he was so horrified when he saw Lyra arrive in the North: he thought that she was the child he needed to split open the sky, and was unwilling to sacrifice his own daughter.
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[[WMG:Main/{{Narnia}} and our world (the Earth the "Friends of Narnia" inhabit) are also part of the Multiverse.]]
Dust is also the key to traveling between worlds in Main/{{Narnia}}'s multiverse, as discovered by Andrew Ketterly in ''The Magician's Nephew''.
Dust is also the key to traveling between worlds in Main/{{Narnia}}'s multiverse, as discovered by Andrew Ketterly in ''The Magician's Nephew''.
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[[WMG: HisDarkMaterials is bad FanFic of Literature/TheBible from an AlternateUniverse]]
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[[WMG: HisDarkMaterials takes place in MagicTheGathering's Multiverse.]]
The events of HisDarkMaterials take place during the ''Time Spiral'' block, where vast imbalances of power due to the many near-godlike Planeswalkers caused rifts in the Multiverse that threatened to destabilize all of reality. The consequences for the realms affected were varied: in the case of the collection of universes where HisDarkMaterials took place, they suffered from the slow drain of Mana (or "Dust"), resulting in the withering of life and sentience. Contributing to this problem was the Subtle Knife, a device that allows non-Planeswalkers to travel between worlds via creating rifts. The Guild of Cittagaze used this to build up their wealth and power, but the Specters it released were their downfall. (These Specters may or may not be related to the Specters of other universes, such as Hypnotic Specter and others.)
The events of HisDarkMaterials take place during the ''Time Spiral'' block, where vast imbalances of power due to the many near-godlike Planeswalkers caused rifts in the Multiverse that threatened to destabilize all of reality. The consequences for the realms affected were varied: in the case of the collection of universes where HisDarkMaterials took place, they suffered from the slow drain of Mana (or "Dust"), resulting in the withering of life and sentience. Contributing to this problem was the Subtle Knife, a device that allows non-Planeswalkers to travel between worlds via creating rifts. The Guild of Cittagaze used this to build up their wealth and power, but the Specters it released were their downfall. (These Specters may or may not be related to the Specters of other universes, such as Hypnotic Specter and others.)
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[[WMG: HisDarkMaterials Literature/HisDarkMaterials takes place in MagicTheGathering's Multiverse.]]
The events ofHisDarkMaterials His Dark Materials take place during the ''Time Spiral'' block, where vast imbalances of power due to the many near-godlike Planeswalkers caused rifts in the Multiverse that threatened to destabilize all of reality. The consequences for the realms affected were varied: in the case of the collection of universes where HisDarkMaterials His Dark Materials took place, they suffered from the slow drain of Mana (or "Dust"), resulting in the withering of life and sentience. Contributing to this problem was the Subtle Knife, a device that allows non-Planeswalkers to travel between worlds via creating rifts. The Guild of Cittagaze used this to build up their wealth and power, but the Specters it released were their downfall. (These Specters may or may not be related to the Specters of other universes, such as Hypnotic Specter and others.)
The events of
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** ItGetsBetter : If it contains every single fictional universe, HDM's multiverse contains South Park. Therefore, it contains Imaginationland. Since Imaginationland is all fictional universes put together, it contains HDM's multiverse. Therefore, we have a recursive multiverse.
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** ItGetsBetter : If it contains every single fictional universe, HDM's multiverse contains South Park. Therefore, it contains Imaginationland. Since Imaginationland is all fictional universes put together, it contains HDM's multiverse. Therefore, we have a recursive multiverse.
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[[WMG: The history of Lyra's World]]
*There never was a Russian Empire. This is why the text refers to Muscovy in some places and Russia in ''Once Upon a Time in the North''- clearly the area is undergoing a bit of BalkanizeMe.
*The ancient Viking colonies in the Americas became viable and survived into the present day, explaining why there is a New Denmark and New Danes.
*There never was a Russian Empire. This is why the text refers to Muscovy in some places and Russia in ''Once Upon a Time in the North''- clearly the area is undergoing a bit of BalkanizeMe.
*The ancient Viking colonies in the Americas became viable and survived into the present day, explaining why there is a New Denmark and New Danes.
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[[WMG: Dust is God, and the Authority was Lucifer.]]
Hey. It makes sense, sort of. It was based on the biblical dust that Adam and Eve was formed of; therefore, it can be said to have made us. It's also everywhere, it's conscious, it prefers some people and not others.
Hey. It makes sense, sort of. It was based on the biblical dust that Adam and Eve was formed of; therefore, it can be said to have made us. It's also everywhere, it's conscious, it prefers some people and not others.
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**** Also, children have self determination. They also have parental authorities.
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****Female on male rape is a thing.
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*** What if it isn't a bad thing that Narnia, Archenland and Calormen are stuck at medieval level? Would you trust any of them with nukes? Then we'd have Fallout: Narnia...
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***What if all the depicted afterlives in the multiverse are real, and you only get sent to the HDM afterlife if there isn't one in your world?
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[[WMG: Intercision will be perfected accidentally via [[LightningCanDoAnything an overdose of electricity]] and become known as [[CodenameKidsNextDoor Delightfulization]].]]
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[[WMG: Intercision will be perfected accidentally via [[LightningCanDoAnything an overdose of electricity]] and become known as [[CodenameKidsNextDoor [[WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor Delightfulization]].]]
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*** ...Because when you make something you own it... Unless you sell it or give it away. [[God He]] claims we sold ourselves to [[Death]] illegally see Christus Victor.
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*** ...Because when you make something you own it... Unless you sell it or give it away. [[God He]] claims we sold ourselves to [[Death]] illegally see Christus Victor.Which He says He didn't.
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*** ...Because when you make something you own it... Unless you sell it or give it away. [[God He]] claims we sold ourselves to [[Death]] illegally see Christus Victor.
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*** It would make the most sense for same-gendered Dæmons to be a sign of being transgender, because Dæmons are the ''animus'' or ''anima'' of a person, the opposite gender of a person's mental gender: Dæmons of the same gender of a person's body are a clear sign that their physical gender does not match their mental gender.
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[[WMG: Lyra and Will's story was only ever a [[TwoLinesNoWaiting B-Story]], and the real plot of the rejuvenation of Dust would have happened with or without them.]]
TheMeddlingKidsAreUseless.
...well, okay, they ended the imprisonment in the World of the Dead. There's no way to argue that wasn't thanks to them. They definitely were the heroes of that story.
But I don't think they were responsible for the final restoration of Dust.
Dust is produced by ''everyone's'' conscious thought and emotion; it is a sort of cosmic conglomeration of ''the average conscious thought throughout the multiverse''. It is based on the ''average'' of the ''big picture''. I just don't believe that the PowerOfLove between two children was powerful enough to fix everything everywhere, nor that it was the most true and pure love anywhere.
It is made clear through implications throughout the story, which get spelled out near the end, that the leaving of Dust is for two reasons - the instability of the multiverse and the gaps between the worlds drawing it out of the worlds, and the repression of conscious thought and emotion ''through all the worlds'' weakening it.
It is a ''large-scale'' thing, and so there is ''no way two meddling kids'' could overturn the effect of ''entire worlds'' on it.
What really happened - and it's clearly visible in subtext - is that even as Lyra and Will's story is drawing to its climax, and they are reclaiming their Daemons, the Republic of Heaven is kicking the shit out of the Kingdom in a multiversal battle. Yes, Lyra and Will then kill the Authority - who had no effect on the battle, and was going to die sooner or later anyway. Asriel and Coulter assassinate Metatron, effectively assassinating the leaders of both sides - but it is logical to conclude that Republic would likely recover easier from the loss due to its more split command tree. The Republic's forces then defeat the Kingdom's, which I believe would suffer [[RealityEnsues realistic effects]] from being a DecapitatedArmy, based on the tone of the book so far - they wouldn't immediately give up or break, but the lack of leadership would take its toll in confusion, especially for troops trained not to think for themselves, as the Authority's would be.
Bottom line: The Republic defeats the Kingdom on three fronts - the Kingdom has its military defeated, has its true leadership assassinated (at the cost of only part of the Republic's leadership), and has its figurehead leader "assassinated". Lyra and Will only help with the least important one.
As such - and there is a line at the end of the book which clearly implies that, saying the Church is losing power in every world - the Authority and the Kingdom's influence on free thought wane, restoring Dust across every world. It is then implied that Xaphania and her Angels, and perhaps some of the other remnants of the Republic, would start repairing the multiversal instability.
As such, ''both of the large-scale issues causing the loss of dust are being resolved - and neither by Lyra and Will.''
So what happened when Lyra and Will started making out?
I believe they created a ''small-scale'' burst of energy which ''only affected Dust in that area'', thus ''illustrating'' and ''mirroring'' the process which was happening all through the worlds, not ''causing'' it. The reader is led to believe that Dust is no longer draining away throughout the multiverse, but all they ''actually'' see - through Mary's eyes - is that it's no longer draining away ''in that area in that world''. It's quite plausible that the burst of energy from their love ''only affected the Dust within line-of-sight''.
So am I trying to create a DownerEnding here? Saying that Dust was not in fact restored?
Not at all. Dust really was restored, just not by Lyra and Will. It was restored by the combined efforts of the Republic of Heaven, and then by everyone who would help to repair the fabric of the multiverse. And Lyra and Will really did ''save every ghost in the Land of the Dead''. That was the true climax of their [[TwoLinesNoWaiting B-Story]], their true work of heroism. They just didn't single-handedly restore Dust through the PowerOfLove. I believe they only ''mirrored a process which was gradually happening throughout the rest of the multiverse anyway''.
For example, if Father Gomez succeeded in assassinating Lyra (which the Church seemed to believe would be an InstantWinCondition), all I believe would have happened is that the Dust drift over the Mulefa lands would not have ''immediately'' stopped. It simply would have ''gradually slowed down'' over the next few - months, years, who knows - but it ''would still have gradually slowed down'' as the restoration of Dust continued throughout the multiverse. The Mulefa would still have been saved, as would Dust throughout the rest of the worlds.
Also, I'm not trying to shoot down Lyra and Will's PowerOfLove with this WMG. What I'm actually trying to do is ''defend'' the PowerOfLove of ''every other love in existence'' in the book's multiverse.
Pullman inadvertently suggests that Lyra and Will's love is the only love that matters, as it is the only one which finally restores Dust.
What about the random couple in the random world which is by coincidence passionately kissing with just as much love as Lyra and Will? Aren't they creating just as much Dust?
Under Pullman's text, no, just because Lyra and Will are {{The Chosen One}}s. Under my theory, yes.
[[WMG: Lyra and Will's story was only ever a [[TwoLinesNoWaiting B-Story]], and the real plot of the rejuvenation of Dust would have happened with or without them.]]
TheMeddlingKidsAreUseless.
...well, okay, they ended the imprisonment in the World of the Dead. There's no way to argue that wasn't thanks to them. They definitely were the heroes of that story.
But I don't think they were responsible for the final restoration of Dust.
Dust is produced by ''everyone's'' conscious thought and emotion; it is a sort of cosmic conglomeration of ''the average conscious thought throughout the multiverse''. It is based on the ''average'' of the ''big picture''. I just don't believe that the PowerOfLove between two children was powerful enough to fix everything everywhere, nor that it was the most true and pure love anywhere.
It is made clear through implications throughout the story, which get spelled out near the end, that the leaving of Dust is for two reasons - the instability of the multiverse and the gaps between the worlds drawing it out of the worlds, and the repression of conscious thought and emotion ''through all the worlds'' weakening it.
It is a ''large-scale'' thing, and so there is ''no way two meddling kids'' could overturn the effect of ''entire worlds'' on it.
What really happened - and it's clearly visible in subtext - is that even as Lyra and Will's story is drawing to its climax, and they are reclaiming their Daemons, the Republic of Heaven is kicking the shit out of the Kingdom in a multiversal battle. Yes, Lyra and Will then kill the Authority - who had no effect on the battle, and was going to die sooner or later anyway. Asriel and Coulter assassinate Metatron, effectively assassinating the leaders of both sides - but it is logical to conclude that Republic would likely recover easier from the loss due to its more split command tree. The Republic's forces then defeat the Kingdom's, which I believe would suffer [[RealityEnsues realistic effects]] from being a DecapitatedArmy, based on the tone of the book so far - they wouldn't immediately give up or break, but the lack of leadership would take its toll in confusion, especially for troops trained not to think for themselves, as the Authority's would be.
Bottom line: The Republic defeats the Kingdom on three fronts - the Kingdom has its military defeated, has its true leadership assassinated (at the cost of only part of the Republic's leadership), and has its figurehead leader "assassinated". Lyra and Will only help with the least important one.
As such - and there is a line at the end of the book which clearly implies that, saying the Church is losing power in every world - the Authority and the Kingdom's influence on free thought wane, restoring Dust across every world. It is then implied that Xaphania and her Angels, and perhaps some of the other remnants of the Republic, would start repairing the multiversal instability.
As such, ''both of the large-scale issues causing the loss of dust are being resolved - and neither by Lyra and Will.''
So what happened when Lyra and Will started making out?
I believe they created a ''small-scale'' burst of energy which ''only affected Dust in that area'', thus ''illustrating'' and ''mirroring'' the process which was happening all through the worlds, not ''causing'' it. The reader is led to believe that Dust is no longer draining away throughout the multiverse, but all they ''actually'' see - through Mary's eyes - is that it's no longer draining away ''in that area in that world''. It's quite plausible that the burst of energy from their love ''only affected the Dust within line-of-sight''.
So am I trying to create a DownerEnding here? Saying that Dust was not in fact restored?
Not at all. Dust really was restored, just not by Lyra and Will. It was restored by the combined efforts of the Republic of Heaven, and then by everyone who would help to repair the fabric of the multiverse. And Lyra and Will really did ''save every ghost in the Land of the Dead''. That was the true climax of their [[TwoLinesNoWaiting B-Story]], their true work of heroism. They just didn't single-handedly restore Dust through the PowerOfLove. I believe they only ''mirrored a process which was gradually happening throughout the rest of the multiverse anyway''.
For example, if Father Gomez succeeded in assassinating Lyra (which the Church seemed to believe would be an InstantWinCondition), all I believe would have happened is that the Dust drift over the Mulefa lands would not have ''immediately'' stopped. It simply would have ''gradually slowed down'' over the next few - months, years, who knows - but it ''would still have gradually slowed down'' as the restoration of Dust continued throughout the multiverse. The Mulefa would still have been saved, as would Dust throughout the rest of the worlds.
Also, I'm not trying to shoot down Lyra and Will's PowerOfLove with this WMG. What I'm actually trying to do is ''defend'' the PowerOfLove of ''every other love in existence'' in the book's multiverse.
Pullman inadvertently suggests that Lyra and Will's love is the only love that matters, as it is the only one which finally restores Dust.
What about the random couple in the random world which is by coincidence passionately kissing with just as much love as Lyra and Will? Aren't they creating just as much Dust?
Under Pullman's text, no, just because Lyra and Will are {{The Chosen One}}s. Under my theory, yes.
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A daemon's gender doesn't actually settle until it settles in form. It wouldn't make sense for an adolescent's daemon to be able to change into any creature it wants, but only males or only females of any species. Until a daemon settles, people just refer to it as the opposite gender of the human since that's how it commonly turns out. Going along with the theory of same-sex daemons belonging to LGBT individuals, this would also make more sense since you don't know your sexuality before hitting puberty just as you don't know what kind of person you are.
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A daemon's gender doesn't actually settle until it settles in form. It wouldn't make sense for an adolescent's daemon to be able to change into any creature it wants, but only males or only females of any species. Until a daemon settles, people just refer to it as the opposite gender of the human since that's how it commonly turns out. Going along with the theory of same-sex daemons belonging to LGBT individuals, this would also make more sense since you don't know your sexuality before hitting puberty just as you don't know what kind of person you are.are.
** I'm just wondering about asexuals, they probably have same-gender daemons, maybe tomboys to, for girls...
** I'm just wondering about asexuals, they probably have same-gender daemons, maybe tomboys to, for girls...
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...Isn't where the souls of all the dead from all the universes go. It's a theoretical world where "what if all the souls of the dead reunited in one place," because the number of worlds is infinite so such a place must exist. But if somebody from some random universe dies, he or she will not ''actually'' end up there. Unless he or she pictures exactly that world at the time of their death and believes that's what will happen.
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...Isn't where the souls of all the dead from all the universes go. It's a theoretical world where "what if all the souls of the dead reunited in one place," because the number of worlds is infinite so such a place must exist. But if somebody from some random universe dies, he or she will not ''actually'' end up there. Unless he or she pictures exactly that world at the time of their death and believes that's what will happen.happen.
[[WMG: Daemon's Gender]]
A daemon's gender doesn't actually settle until it settles in form. It wouldn't make sense for an adolescent's daemon to be able to change into any creature it wants, but only males or only females of any species. Until a daemon settles, people just refer to it as the opposite gender of the human since that's how it commonly turns out. Going along with the theory of same-sex daemons belonging to LGBT individuals, this would also make more sense since you don't know your sexuality before hitting puberty just as you don't know what kind of person you are.
[[WMG: Daemon's Gender]]
A daemon's gender doesn't actually settle until it settles in form. It wouldn't make sense for an adolescent's daemon to be able to change into any creature it wants, but only males or only females of any species. Until a daemon settles, people just refer to it as the opposite gender of the human since that's how it commonly turns out. Going along with the theory of same-sex daemons belonging to LGBT individuals, this would also make more sense since you don't know your sexuality before hitting puberty just as you don't know what kind of person you are.
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* ...Isn't where the souls of all the dead from all the universes go. It's a theoretical world where "what if all the souls of the dead reunited in one place," because the number of worlds is infinite so such a place must exist. But if somebody from some random universe dies, he or she will not ''actually'' end up there. Unless he or she pictures exactly that world at the time of their death and believes that's what will happen.
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* ...Isn't where the souls of all the dead from all the universes go. It's a theoretical world where "what if all the souls of the dead reunited in one place," but because the number of worlds is infinite so such a place must exist. But if somebody from some random universe dies, he or she will not ''actually'' end up there. Unless he or she pictures exactly that world at the time of their death and believes that's what will happen.
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That is, she's not a witch herself, but her father might be witch born or something similar. She is mentioned several times during the first book to have a sort of 'presence' which seems to manifest itself as 'an anbaric force like heated metal' that ends up causing a reporter (Adele Starminster) to almost faint. She's also cold, cruel and hates Lord Asriel because he doesn't return her love, just like witches act towards people they love. This could also explain why Lyra is so special or influential herself, as Ma Costa tells her 'You've got witch oil in your soul. Deceptive is what you are.', hinting at something else she sees within Lyra.
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That is, she's not a witch herself, but her father might be witch born or something similar. She is mentioned several times during the first book to have a sort of 'presence' which seems to manifest itself as 'an anbaric force like heated metal' that ends up causing a reporter (Adele Starminster) to almost faint. She's also cold, cruel and hates Lord Asriel because he doesn't return her love, just like witches act towards people they love. This could also explain why Lyra is so special or influential herself, as Ma Costa tells her 'You've got witch oil in your soul. Deceptive is what you are.', hinting at something else she sees within Lyra.Lyra.
[[WMG: The world of the Dead...]]
* ...Isn't where the souls of all the dead from all the universes go. It's a theoretical world where "what if all the souls of the dead reunited in one place," but if somebody from some random universe dies, he or she will not ''actually'' end up there. Unless he or she pictures exactly that world at the time of their death and believes that's what will happen.
[[WMG: The world of the Dead...]]
* ...Isn't where the souls of all the dead from all the universes go. It's a theoretical world where "what if all the souls of the dead reunited in one place," but if somebody from some random universe dies, he or she will not ''actually'' end up there. Unless he or she pictures exactly that world at the time of their death and believes that's what will happen.
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** In order: Sure. Why not? If that were they case, the result could be [[HarryPotter a child that lacks a conscience and grows up to be a horrible monster because it's lacking something that children born of a loving relationship normally have, for mystical reasons]].
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** In order: Sure. Why not? If that were they case, the result could be [[HarryPotter [[Literature/HarryPotter a child that lacks a conscience and grows up to be a horrible monster because it's lacking something that children born of a loving relationship normally have, for mystical reasons]].
