Line #156 WMG/HisDarkMaterials


1	[[WMG: Dust is a cosmic computer.]]
2	More or less. Dust is a cosmic computer that came about from emergence, and its "programming" determines the physics of any particular universe. It's also "in" "the bulk" (M-Theory).
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4	[[WMG: Dust is God, and the Authority was Lucifer.]]
5	Hey. It makes sense, sort of. It was based on the biblical dust that Adam and Eve was formed of; therefore, it can be said to have made us. It's also everywhere, it's conscious, it prefers some people and not others.
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7	[[WMG: The Subtle Knife is based on Death's Scythe.]]
8	Specifically, the Death of Literature/{{Discworld}}'s scythe, which is sharp enough to sever the connection between a person and their corpse after death, sharp enough to glow from the thaums being split on its edge, and sharp enough to cut through the 4th wall, slicing into the very words on the pages. Somebody tried sharpening a knife made of special alloys over and over, until it was sharp enough to cut the boundary between worlds.
9	* They sharpened it with spider silk. And sunlight.
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11	[[WMG: The Abyss isn't just a void.]]
12	Or, if it is, it wasn't always.
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14	One possibility: It's a universe that was entirely consumed by the Specters.
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16	[[WMG: The Abyss is the Abyss from Mage: the Awakening.]]
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18	The Angels are the humans who invaded the Supernal and became the Exarchs and Oracles; in doing so, they lost their bodies. The rebel Angels are the Oracles; the Authority is run by the Exarchs. Lord Asriel is a member of the Silver Ladder, invading heaven to set up an anthrocentric cosmos.
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20	The people who are left in the wrong universe when the Oracles close all the gates that pass through the Abyss don't all die; just their flesh dies. They Ascend and become the rulers of the reality that they're stuck in.
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22	[[WMG:[[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]] and our world (the Earth the "Friends of Narnia" inhabit) are also part of the Multiverse.]]
23	Dust is also the key to traveling between worlds in Narnia's multiverse, as discovered by Andrew Ketterly in ''Literature/TheMagiciansNephew''.
24	** Making Aslan...an agent of the Authority? Or Tash? Or both?
25	** But in HDM verse it's just as impossible to tell the true reason for existence as in the RealLife - the closest implication is that the Dust is God, or God's remains. Aslan ofcourse could be a limited creator with some delusions of grandeur over his role in the grand scheme of things...
26	** Aslan is the Daemon of all of the Dust hive mind entity combined, obviously. Making him not a true creator, but a reflection of Dust as a whole.
27	** Isn't it obvious? Aslan is Metatron. Why do you think Narnia's stuck at medieval tech level? In Narnia individual thought and initiative are discouraged in favor of trust in Aslan and doing exactly what he says. While the people opposing Aslan might be morally questionable, they all share one common characteristic: they don't want to live in a world where Aslan makes the rules. And at the end, Aslan leads everyone to a place which those who are on his side believe is Heaven and everyone else thinks is their doom. That is, of course, the world of the dead, where everyone remains until Will and Lyra arrive to lead them out.
28	*** What if it isn't a bad thing that Narnia, Archenland and Calormen are stuck at medieval level? Would you trust any of them with nukes? Then we'd have Fallout: Narnia...
29	*** Narnia's first king was a cab driver from the early 19th century and his wife who became queen. Their descendants ruled for about 800-900 years until Jadis took over and put Narnia in a deep freeze. The Pevensies were the next human rulers who were WWII kids and teens who ruled for about 30 or so years until they left. Narnia was then left without a human ruler for hundreds of (possibly around 800-1,000) when the descendants of pirates and Polynesian women came to power. No one from our world knew of "atomcraft" or anything of how to make modern day (to them) technology from scratch. The talking animals didn't care about that kind of technology.
30	** The Authority was a liar and poser; Aslan is the true Creator. '''Which ''does'' give him genuine Authority over the universe he created!''' Tash could be an agent of The Authority, though...
31	*** Why would creating something give you authority over it? Sentient beings, no matter who they're created by, have every right to self-determination.
32	*** ...Because when you make something you own it... Unless you sell it or give it away. Which He says He didn't.
33	*** ... you can't own people.
34	*** Also, children have self determination. They also have parental authorities.
35	* But the afterlife in Narnia is a paradise, and the afterlife in His Dark Materials is a shithole and it was stated that ALL souls from all the worlds go there good or evil.
36	** But it's also stated that the devout delude themselves into believing it's paradise anyway. So those dwarves in ''The Last Battle'' were the only ones who saw the truth!
37	*** I doubt it; the Dwarves thought they were trapt in a caban. That's way different from the World of the Dead in His Dark Materials.
38	*** There's this amazing thing called individual perception. Some morons think they're in Heaven, some morons think they're in a cabin.
39	*** What if all the depicted afterlives in the multiverse are real, and you only get sent to the HDM afterlife if there isn't one in your world?
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41	[[WMG:"Baby" Dæmons are formed through Main/HotSkittyOnWailordAction.]]
42	The fact that Dæmons are [[Main/OurSoulsAreDifferent incarnate spirits]] rather than normal animals makes this theory a ''little'' easier to take. In Lyra's world, as two humans have sex and concieve a child, so their Dæmon counterparts concieve that child's Dæmon. Said Dæmon may even be born from a Main/WhaleEgg or something as the child is born. There is a scene late in the first novel and a small scene in the second novel that comes ''[=ascloseasthis=]'' to stating this outright. (Personally, I am [[Main/{{Squick}} hoping]] this will be Main/{{Jossed}} in ''The Book Of Dust''.)
43	* Then do we really want to know what's up with that one servant guy in the first book who's Dæmon is male?
44	** He's obviously gay. Or perhaps, transgender.
45	*** WordOfGod, IIRC, is that having a same-gendered Dæmon says ''something'' about one's sexuality, but he's not sure ''what''. My speculation is that it might be a sexual orientation that we Dæmonless people don't have: maybe a man with a male Dæmon is only attracted to women with female Dæmons. Or to either gender, as long as they have a same-gender Dæmon. Or something.
46	*** Eh, my theory is that they are attracted to their sex, thus making a childless (personless?) Daemon. Or that's what I immediatly thought when I saw this WMG
47	*** It would make the most sense for same-gendered Dæmons to be a sign of being transgender, because Dæmons are the ''animus'' or ''anima'' of a person, the opposite gender of a person's mental gender: Dæmons of the same gender of a person's body are a clear sign that their physical gender does not match their mental gender.
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49	* What about rape? Does the rapist's dæmon also rape that of the victim? If not, is it therefore impossible to conceive a child through rape in Lyra's world?
50	** In order: Sure. Why not? If that were they case, the result could be [[Literature/HarryPotter a child that lacks a conscience and grows up to be a horrible monster because it's lacking something that children born of a loving relationship normally have, for mystical reasons]].
51	*** Well, the why not comes in when you think that people usually are opposite-gendered in relation to their daemons. So if a rape victim fell pregnant with her rapist's baby, who is carrying the it's daemon? The female daemon would belong to the rapist.
52	*** Female on male rape is a thing.
53	* If this were the case it would absolutely require a father to be present at birth. Think about it, Asriel's snow leopard couldn't give birth to Pan in the arctic while Coulter is giving birth to Lyra in England. In fact to take it even further to a logical conclusion it would probably mean the two parents can't go far from each other at all during pregnancy in fear of killing the gestating daemon and baby by separating them.
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55	[[WMG: There is a Scientific Explanation for Dæmons.]]
56	We know that they have some relationship to Dust. We know that Dust is especially attracted to humans and their activities. Dust in turn has some form of sentience and awareness. So Dæmons are ''colonies'' of Dust that have, over the eons, formed a symbiotic relationship with humans. One so strong that, while a Dæmon is not ''literally'' his counterpart's soul, he might as well be. The colonies of Dust also gained human-like intelligence thanks to this relationship. This helps explain the Main/ShapeshifterBaggage issue, the eating issue, the Not-Quite-[[Main/FurryConfusion Furry-Confusion]]-But-Similar Dæmons vs. domestic animals and pets issue, and (perhaps most importantly, for our sanity) the baby Dæmon issue: the latter simply form out of the Dust attracted by the newborn human.
57	** Isn't this Jossed by what we see of Mary and Will's Daemon's? Will's is literally ripped out of his body and Mary can see hers despite never going to Lyra's world - although Daemon's bodies could reasonably be made of Dust - that's what they turn into when their human dies.
58	*** Not sure how it's Jossed. The book never says that Dust isn't present in our World, and the colonies of Dust just never coalesced into physical forms in our World. Doesn't Lyra say something after meeting Will that he must have a Dæmon that she can't see?
59	*** Actually, Dust is ''clearly'' present in our world. Lyra finds it on trepanned skulls in a museaum, and Mary's team detected it on carved wood.
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61	[[WMG:None of the divination tricks really work.]]
62	Every possible outcome of every chance event exists in ''some'' Universe. When Mary Malone casts the ''I Ching,'' most versions of her get useless results, but the story only follows the version who gets an answer that makes sense. Ditto for the Navajo ring which supposedly [[spoiler:brings Lee Scoresby to Will's father]] and the alethiometers themselves. When the story reaches a satisfactory conclusion, this doesn't matter anymore, so we start following a version of Lyra who [[spoiler:doesn't get answers from her alethiometer]]. Naturally, she believes that [[spoiler:it's the alethiometer which has stopped working, when in fact the needle was always just spinning at random]].
63	* That doesn't really work, considering that we never actually see any alternate universe counterparts for anyone. In the entire multiverse, there is only one Lyra Belacqua and one Mary Malone. The reason they were able to work was because the Dust was specifically guiding them to act out their roles, and such divinatory methods were the only way to communicate to them. That ring worked differently, because John Parry cast some sort of spell to bring Lee Scoresby to himself.
64	** There is at least one reference to a person in Lyra's universe that also existed in ours: John Calvin, who in [[AlternateHistory Lyra's]] [[AllohistoricalAllusion world]] [[HistoricalInJoke became]] [[RichardNixonTheUsedCarSalesman Pope]].
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66	[[WMG:If what the books say about the multiverse and imagination is taken into account, then EVERY SINGLE fictional universe actually exists!]]
67	Think about it, the whole "imagination and dreaming is a way to make contact with alternate realities" can only mean that.
68	* The idea is both awsome and sucky at the same time. Awsome, all our wildest imaginations exist in some form or another as real universes. Sucks, we'll never be able to have contact with them. This theory is looked at with more consequence in the Inkheart trilogy.
69	** There's nothing "sucky" about that. That's what we have imaginaaaaaaaaaaation for!
70	** If it contains every single fictional universe, HDM's multiverse contains South Park. Therefore, it contains Imaginationland. Since Imaginationland is all fictional universes put together, it contains HDM's multiverse. Therefore, we have a recursive multiverse.
71	*** Wouldn't that fall victim to [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_paradox Russell's paradox?]]
72	** It also means that there is a universe in which the heros fail, and The Kingdom of Heaven defeats Asrial.
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74	[[WMG:Lord Asriel is Jesus.]]
75	No, really!
76	From his perspective, the whole plot of the first book is, "Suffer the little children to come unto Me." Right? And then, in the third book, we find out that Metatron is the ascended version of Enoch, whose desire for the solidity of human flesh is driving him psycho ([[spoiler:and makes him easy prey for Mrs. Coulter]]). Given his sleazy libido, Metatron is basically Sin with wings, and [[spoiler:Lord Asriel dies in defeating him. Get that? ''Lord Asriel dies to save the world from Sin!'']] Stretching this ''really'' far, you could say that the reason the Church in the trilogy isn't a warm and fuzzy organization is because the books describe a timeline in which Christianity never diverged from the Old Testament fire-and-brimstone business, and it had to take a HeroicSacrifice to set things right. . . .
77	* You. Are. A. Genius.
78	** Seconded.
79	* You know what that means? Marisa Coulter is Mary Magdalene!
80	* Woah. ''Whoah''. '''WOAH'''. Call Pullman immediately, he must comment! Once again, genius emerges from WMG.
81	* Metatron runs the Church which condemns lust so his "sin" isn't lust but hypocrisy and self-denial.
82	* Intriguing, but isn't "Asriel" supposed to be the reference of a fallen angel/the angel of death/Satan himself? HDM is pretty much A Child's Guide to Gnosticism 101 already, so the Authority is supposed to be an malevolent version of the Old Testament God, but to make Asriel be Jesus AND a fallen angel seems a bit much.
83	** Hmm...Azriel is the Angel of Death, no? The one who killed the Egyptian firstborn and so on. There may be dozens of versions of the same figure, though.
84	** In any case, it does make quite a bit of sense in the Gnostic context where the Old Testament God was seen as evil, but Jesus seen as the good Bringer of Light (remember the Latin word for that?).
85	** Pullman has promised to deal with the Jesus-issue in his future book set in Lyra's world. Maybe it'll illuminate the matters a bit.
86	** Also, the book [[Main/WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids ain't a child's guide to anything]]. (Just had to be said.)
87	* Pullman seems to believe that JesusWasWayCool (see ''The Good Man Jesus, the Scoundrel Christ'') so this is possible.
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89	[[WMG: Lord Asriel Has the Power to Summon Things, But Only Once]]
90	In book two, Ruta Skadi speaks admiringly of Lord Asriel and all he's accompliced. She thinks that he bends time to his will, and says that he's able to bring, or summon what he needs from all over the world. As a matter of fact, most of Book One is the effect of him "summoning" Lyra to bring Roger to him - a child whom he needs to split open the sky. Lyra can't explain exactly what she's supposed to do or give to her father, she just knows she has to see him and help him. After Book One, she appears to be more or less indifferent to him, even though in Book Three he's expounding all his resources to retrieve her. Why doesn't he summon her again? Because the summoning only works once. After that one time, he has to work on ''keeping'' what he has summoned by him. He unwittingly spent the one chance to call her to him (and got [[DistractedByTheShiny Distracted by the]] [[TheVamp Coulter]], and now has to try and make everyone else bring her to him.
91	* That would explain why he was so horrified when he saw Lyra arrive in the North: he thought that she was the child he needed to split open the sky, and was unwilling to sacrifice his own daughter.
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93	[[WMG: Daemons are a metaphor for the inner self]]
94	Think about it: Children have not yet settled on their future personalities so their daemons can change form, people touching someone else's daemon is a taboo, since it implies that [[MindRape their minds are being tampered with]] and daemons fight and play with each other due to conversations causing people to get to know another person's inner self. Children separated from their daemon also lose their personalities, and die quickly (lack of activity in the brain). It is implied that the people of Will's world still have daemons, and possibly that every conscious being has one, again relating to the idea that they represent someone's true personality.
95	** ... Wasn't it ''obvious''?
96	*** That was a joke. I hope...
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98	[[WMG: Daemons don't die when their human does.]]
99	They go to the world of [[Literature/CodexAlera Alera]] where they attune their selves to nature or new people, transforming into elemental Furies.
100	** ORLY
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102	[[WMG: Xaphania is still loyal to Authority and Metatron]]
103	Upset at her side's loss she arrived to the children in order to try and force a happy end into a bittersweet one, mostly by shutting down completely viable ideas.
104	* This actually seems viable. She's given very little character development, but we're supposed to trust her as dearly as we'd trust anyone. Hmm....
105	* So, given that she was in Asriel's side, this would make her TheMole? Sounds interesting...
106	* So she might have been lying? "We calculated the loss of Dust through the hole into the Abyss, and it's ''exactly'' enough to let us keep that one one escape hatch you carved and nothing else. And you can't survive near as long as Parry in a world that isn't your own, just to remind you that it's all unnatural, going to be lethal if you try, boogaboo. So go home, right now, we'll, uh, have angels seal up all the other portals for you so you don't have an excuse to hang around Ci'gazze. Unless you want to make these people eternally damned. No? Thought so. ([aside]Heh, a guilt trip always works.[/aside])"
107	** She was somewhat maverick in her intentions. She really was in favor of Dust being preserved, and therefore fewer windows, but her remaining loyalty to the Authority and Metatron gave her an urge to avenge them on Lyra and Will.
108	** Yes. This would explain why she goes through a long speech about how Dust isn't a fixed quantity, but rather, dependent on good works and happiness. Then, she states that despite there being many leaky openings and the world not grinding to a halt, Lyra and Will can leave only one door open, no ifs, ands, or buts. They can't leave TWO doors open and be extra nice.
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110	[[WMG: Intercision will be perfected accidentally via [[LightningCanDoAnything an overdose of electricity]] and become known as [[WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor Delightfulization]].]]
111	...Successfully depriving a person of their individuality without killing them but turning them into a soulless zombie obedient to all authority... designed chiefly for use on kids.
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113	[[WMG: There is a reasonably practical alternative to the Subtle Knife that takes slightly less than "a lifetime" to get the hang of.]]
114	Sentimental reasons aside, the way this possibility was {{Jossed}} and the resulting DownerEnding added nothing to the book except either a ''very'' BrokenAesop... or a SequelHook.
115	* Please explain
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117	[[WMG: Balthamos and Baruch were the only pairing to have a happy ending]]
118	Think about it. Angels are made of Dust, right? And Dust tends to condensate, otherwwise there would be no angels, right? [[spoiler: Also, the third book implies that, after human souls leave the shithole that TheNothingAfterDeath is their ghosts, as they disperse as atoms across the universes, reunite with their daemons and loved ones, so it isn't too far fetched that Balthamos and Baruch reuniated after dying and having their Dust particles spread everywhere. The same will probably happen to Mrs Coulter and Lord Asriel though, if they actually die]]
119	** That does seem likely, though then pretty much everyone who died had a happy ending and not just those two angels. [[spoiler: Unless those attacked by specters lost the ability to "scatter" after death. The other exceptions possibly being Mrs Coulter, Lord Asriel, and Metatron. The way the abyss seems to work is that since they fell into it they actually sacrificed themselves in a meaningful manner, because their particles and dust are trapped or erased in the abyss and unable to return to the material universes in order to scatter peacefully. Making that a face worse than death. Unless by going into the abyss together they get a similar result of reuniting just between the two of them.]]
120	And[[spoiler: the Metron.]]
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122	[[WMG: Baruch is named after Baruch Spinoza]]
123	The guy who regularly critizised the Church and had a concept of God similar to Pullman's Dust? Sounds like someone Pullman would give a ShoutOut to.
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125	[[WMG: Willing intercision subjects are less severely harmed by the severing than unwilling ones.]]
126	Willing subjects who have been severed from their daemons are able to live fairly normal lives, be it without any imagination or ability to question the world around them, while those who have been forced through the process tend to be virtually demolished by the procedure.
127	* That would seem to explain why adults in the service of The Church are so high-functioning after intercision. The nurses at Bolvangar and Mrs. Colter's soldiers can do their jobs, where as Tony Costa was in a state of psychosis.
128	** There was the possibility that the nurses were the result of the Intercision being made in adults, when their inner self has aready fixated so they know what mindset to stick to and no go just souless.
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131	[[WMG: The Intention Craft is based on Psychoframe/Psycommu technology Asriel picked up from the universe of Mobile Suit Gundam]]
132	Asriel had many highly skilled engineers from many worlds at his disposal didn't he? Who's to say some former Mobile Suit and Mobile Armor technicians from the Universal Century universe didn't rework newtype mobile weapon technology to take advantage of the physical daemons present in Asriel's homeworld.
133	* RuleOfCool: the Intention Craft was created by Char Aznable, who had memorized all the necessary data and ended there with Amuro at the end of ''Anime/CharsCounterattack''. Then Char and Amuro, being the freaking Red Comet and the one who defeated him, made their daemons physical to start using the Intention Crafts, and devastated the Kingdom's army in the battle.
134	* Does this also mean that Lyra is a Newtype?
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136	[[WMG:Will and Lyra will meet again]]
137	[[spoiler: This troper always thought that the reasons for separating the protagonists were a little contrived. However, if you look closely there is a way they can be together. The angel tells them there is a way of traveling between universes but it could take "a lifetime" to learn. However, she mentions earlier (not to Will and Lyra) that they have become like witches. The time they spent in the underworld away from their Daemons "stretched" their connections. It's conceivable that this granted them other witch-traits including longevity. While it will take a human lifetime to learn how to travel to each other's worlds, once they do they may have several more lifetimes to spend together.]]
138	* Guys can't become witches in this world, otherwise the males of Witch-Human relations would go through the same training as witches. It could (But I highly doubt it) mean that Lyra gets this power, but less likely Will...will. She'll live long after he dies and she will know it.
139	** Other worlds than Lyra's have male witches, and Serafina says that Will is categorically a witch in the same way as Lyra. Serafina herself says she doesn't know exactly how it'll work, but she's willing to roll with it.
140	* I agree. There may be other ways to travel between worlds, especially if we imagine that every fictional work has their own universe (or multiverse) -- and there are definitely plenty of fictional works that contain travel between worlds. Even the Narnia series could be compatible with His Dark Materials. I would be interested in reading crossover fanfic between the two series.
141	** [[TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering Like Planeswalking]]? An MTG/HDM crossover fic would be awesome beyond belief.
142	** I think Philip Pullman might die if this happened, but seconded.
143	*** Die nothing, he'd explode in a matter/antimatter reaction. Also, given Aslan's genuine messianic and divine reality-warping traits- traits far beyond what we see from The Authority- the question would be raised as to why The True Creator behind Aslan never did anything about those angelic imitators wandering the multiverse.
144	* Alternate Theory: The angels can travel through worlds, and Will and Lyra have met several angels by now. Surely one of them might be willing to ferry them to each other's worlds on occasion? I mean, these two basically saved the world.
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146	[[WMG: Mrs. Coulter is Ann Coulter.]]
147	* She's called Marisa by once-lovers [[strike:Dinesh D'Souza and Andrew Stein]] Lord Boreal and Lord Asriel several times throughout the series, and towards the end is painted far more sympathetically than Ann Coulter could ever hope to be.
148	* This would explain why--after seeing Nicole Kidman play Mrs. Coulter--Philip Pullman said, "You sometimes are wrong about your characters. She's blonde. She has to be."
149	** This troper's personal WMG: Philip Pullman made that up, Mrs. Coulter is in fact always intended to be dark-haired, but the simple fact is that when you get Nicole Kidman in your movie you ''don't complain.''
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151	[[WMG: ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' is bad FanFic of Literature/TheBible from an AlternateUniverse]]
152	* ([[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope Bear with me here. Also, massive spoilers ahead, and if you're a fan you might want to take this with a grain of salt, I do think these books are very well-written.]] Sorry, felt that was necessary, putting my hat back on now.)
153	** A teenaged girl reading a novel named Literature/TheBible posts on the web forums of a fansite about how she is sooo angry that her favorite character Eve got such a raw deal with the whole apple thing and begins posting chapters of her story about [[MarySue Lyra who is Eve reincarnated]] who is the daughter of the two coolest smartest people in the world ('even though they're evil') and makes friends with everyone she meets, including witches, a cowboy balloonist, a talking polar bear, gypsies, and '[[GaryStu a cute boy named Will with a cool knife that can cut through anything :)]]'. Lyra goes on a quest to kill the novel's author, {{God}}, through the magic of [[TheMultiverse interdimensional planet hopping]] and after a few snarky comments and bizarre encouragements from various forum posters and moderators, she adds these people to her story as well. In particular a rather rudely-authoritarian moderator who bans her from the forums posting under the name of Metatron suddenly usurps the role of BigBad, but somewhere in her following rants this story point is forgotten. The next chapters are posted on another website entirely, and take on a very dark and hostile tone setting up everyone on the first website's staff as the most horrendous baby-eaters, even going forth as to portray characters previously seen as villainous as somewhat sympathetic to Lyra's cause, and eventually Lyra succeeds at her goal of slaying the author after portraying him as the most insultingly senile old man who is killed by a slight breeze. However, she 'did it by accident and she kind of felt sorry for him too'. After that point, the fic somewhat loses what cohesion it had had up to that point, ending on a sad note as Lyra and Will, due to [[DiabolusExMachina something about everyone having to stay in their home universes which isn't very well explained]], have to leave each other forever even though they've both suddenly discovered that the other one is their one true love. So sad. If there was any other hooks the author intended to continue the story with to resolve this problem, she apparantly got bored and abandoned the project, [[SarcasmMode otherwise we'd have to assume that the entire point of this exercise would be to bash the author of the original book for the actions of]] [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic a fan organization who he's clearly not pulling the strings of at all]].
154	** I am a fan of His Dark Materials, but I think this is brilliant.
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156	[[WMG: Angels are actually Time Lords]]
157	Their 'imagination' way of traveling that seems insufficient to Lyra and Will actually works better for the angels. Because they're Time Lords.
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159	[[WMG: Witches are renegade Time Lords]]
160	That's why they live so long; they can regenerate. You can 'become' a witch by loosening the link between yourself and your daemon, i.e. becoming a free spirit. The real reason that Lyra and Will aren't full witches is because they weren't Time Lords in the first place. Witches' cloudpine branches are their [=TARDISes=].
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162	[[WMG: Literature/HisDarkMaterials takes place in TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering's Multiverse.]]
163	The events of His Dark Materials take place during the ''Time Spiral'' block, where vast imbalances of power due to the many near-godlike Planeswalkers caused rifts in the Multiverse that threatened to destabilize all of reality. The consequences for the realms affected were varied: in the case of the collection of universes where His Dark Materials took place, they suffered from the slow drain of Mana (or "Dust"), resulting in the withering of life and sentience. Contributing to this problem was the Subtle Knife, a device that allows non-Planeswalkers to travel between worlds via creating rifts. The Guild of Cittagaze used this to build up their wealth and power, but the Specters it released were their downfall. (These Specters may or may not be related to the Specters of other universes, such as Hypnotic Specter and others.)
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165	The Authority was a very powerful Planeswalker, possibly a protege of Serra's, who went insane and attempted to become like Serra, building a facsimile of Serra's Realm (The Clouded Mountain), creating his own army of angels-slash-Elementals, and attempting to subjugate worlds to his "benevolent" rule. At some point, he went insane and was overthrown by his own creation, Metatron-- who was probably a very powerful mage given the privilege of becoming one of the Authority's angels. The Authority's defeat and subsequent sealing turned him into a raving vegetable, allowing Metatron to go about consolidating the Kingdom of Heaven's power by inspiring {{Corrupt Church}}es everywhere to work in subtle ways towards his goal of subjugating TheMultiverse to his will while exploiting the rifts to gather a multiversal army. Asriel, seeing evidence of a conspiracy on his world, immediately planned to create LaResistance, and hit upon using the energy of a human being's soul to create a rift where the fabric of reality was weakest: the Aurora Borealis. Once that was done, he began gathering forces from every corner of the Multiverse (explaining the variety of creatures and machines in his army).
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167	Lyra and Will were caught in the middle of this great multiversal war, although they did not realize what exactly was at stake until the very end, where the concept of the rifts was explained to them. As the Planeswalkers gave up their sparks in the Mending, Will and Lyra gave up the ability to be together and travel the worlds in exchange for removing the capability to create new rifts (and thus, making the Multiverse safe again) by destroying the Subtle Knife. However, there is a silver lining in all of this: the time they spent in the world of the dead may have brought them on the edge of awakening as Planeswalkers (substituting the single, traumatic moment that causes the Spark to ignite with a slow, painful process-- tearing away their daemons and spending time without a piece of their soul-- that drastically increases the chances of their Sparks igniting) meaning eventually, they will be together. All they have to do is find that moment of truth... and then, find each other.
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169	But when you're a [[PhysicalGod Planeswalker]], the last part is almost trivial.
170
171	Oh, and the Amber Spyglass? It's an improvised [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=118880 Prismatic Lens]].
172
173	* Thus the great question is...[[LightIsNotGood are the evil angels in the series pure White]], or are they like Ravnica's Orzhov?
174	** Probably Monowhite, although W/B is not out of the question-- especially with Metatron. The Rebel Angels are possibly W/R.
175
176	[[WMG: The Subtle Knife will return]]
177	I'm not exactly sure which law of physics this is, but I remember that "matter cannot be created or destroyed, only changed". MEANING that, somewhere and sometime in the multiverse, the Subtle Knife, which is pretty much made of Dust, which is TECHNICALLY matter, will once again be created. And someone will use it, and we will have the setting for the greatest crossover fanfic of all time.
178	* It was repaired once, and Will does save all the pieces at the end of the books...
179
180	[[WMG: Mrs. Coulter is either a witch or has witch blood in her family line]]
181	That is, she's not a witch herself, but her father might be witch born or something similar. She is mentioned several times during the first book to have a sort of 'presence' which seems to manifest itself as 'an anbaric force like heated metal' that ends up causing a reporter (Adele Starminster) to almost faint. She's also cold, cruel and hates Lord Asriel because he doesn't return her love, just like witches act towards people they love. This could also explain why Lyra is so special or influential herself, as Ma Costa tells her 'You've got witch oil in your soul. Deceptive is what you are.', hinting at something else she sees within Lyra.
182
183	[[WMG: The world of the Dead...]]
184	...Isn't where the souls of all the dead from all the universes go. It's a theoretical world where "what if all the souls of the dead reunited in one place," because the number of worlds is infinite so such a place must exist. But if somebody from some random universe dies, he or she will not ''actually'' end up there. Unless he or she pictures exactly that world at the time of their death and believes that's what will happen.
185
186	[[WMG: Daemon's Gender]]
187	A daemon's gender doesn't actually settle until it settles in form. It wouldn't make sense for an adolescent's daemon to be able to change into any creature it wants, but only males or only females of any species. Until a daemon settles, people just refer to it as the opposite gender of the human since that's how it commonly turns out. Going along with the theory of same-sex daemons belonging to LGBT individuals, this would also make more sense since you don't know your sexuality before hitting puberty just as you don't know what kind of person you are.
188	** I'm just wondering about asexuals, they probably have same-gender daemons to...
189
190	[[WMG: The history of Lyra's World]]
191	* There never was a Russian Empire. This is why the text refers to Muscovy in some places and Russia in ''Once Upon a Time in the North''- clearly the area is undergoing a bit of BalkanizeMe.
192	* The ancient Viking colonies in the Americas became viable and survived into the present day, explaining why there is a New Denmark and New Danes.
193
194	[[WMG: Lyra and Will's story was only ever a [[TwoLinesNoWaiting B-Story]], and the real plot of the rejuvenation of Dust would have happened with or without them.]]
195	TheMeddlingKidsAreUseless.
196
197	...well, okay, they ended the imprisonment in the World of the Dead. There's no way to argue that wasn't thanks to them. They definitely were the heroes of that story.
198
199	But I don't think they were responsible for the final restoration of Dust.
200
201	Dust is produced by ''everyone's'' conscious thought and emotion; it is a sort of cosmic conglomeration of ''the average conscious thought throughout the multiverse''. It is based on the ''average'' of the ''big picture''. I just don't believe that the PowerOfLove between two children was powerful enough to fix everything everywhere, nor that it was the most true and pure love anywhere.
202
203	It is made clear through implications throughout the story, which get spelled out near the end, that the leaving of Dust is for two reasons - the instability of the multiverse and the gaps between the worlds drawing it out of the worlds, and the repression of conscious thought and emotion ''through all the worlds'' weakening it.
204
205	It is a ''large-scale'' thing, and so there is ''no way two meddling kids'' could overturn the effect of ''entire worlds'' on it.
206
207	What really happened - and it's clearly visible in subtext - is that even as Lyra and Will's story is drawing to its climax, and they are reclaiming their Daemons, the Republic of Heaven is kicking the shit out of the Kingdom in a multiversal battle. Yes, Lyra and Will then kill the Authority - who had no effect on the battle, and was going to die sooner or later anyway. Asriel and Coulter assassinate Metatron, effectively assassinating the leaders of both sides - but it is logical to conclude that Republic would likely recover easier from the loss due to its more split command tree. The Republic's forces then defeat the Kingdom's, which I believe would suffer [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistic effects]] from being a DecapitatedArmy, based on the tone of the book so far - they wouldn't immediately give up or break, but the lack of leadership would take its toll in confusion, especially for troops trained not to think for themselves, as the Authority's would be.
208
209	Bottom line: The Republic defeats the Kingdom on three fronts - the Kingdom has its military defeated, has its true leadership assassinated (at the cost of only part of the Republic's leadership), and has its figurehead leader "assassinated". Lyra and Will only help with the least important one.
210
211	As such - and there is a line at the end of the book which clearly implies that, saying the Church is losing power in every world - the Authority and the Kingdom's influence on free thought wane, restoring Dust across every world. It is then implied that Xaphania and her Angels, and perhaps some of the other remnants of the Republic, would start repairing the multiversal instability.
212
213	As such, ''both of the large-scale issues causing the loss of dust are being resolved - and neither by Lyra and Will.''
214
215	So what happened when Lyra and Will started making out?
216
217	I believe they created a ''small-scale'' burst of energy which ''only affected Dust in that area'', thus ''illustrating'' and ''mirroring'' the process which was happening all through the worlds, not ''causing'' it. The reader is led to believe that Dust is no longer draining away throughout the multiverse, but all they ''actually'' see - through Mary's eyes - is that it's no longer draining away ''in that area in that world''. It's quite plausible that the burst of energy from their love ''only affected the Dust within line-of-sight''.
218
219	So am I trying to create a DownerEnding here? Saying that Dust was not in fact restored?
220
221	Not at all. Dust really was restored, just not by Lyra and Will. It was restored by the combined efforts of the Republic of Heaven, and then by everyone who would help to repair the fabric of the multiverse. And Lyra and Will really did ''save every ghost in the Land of the Dead''. That was the true climax of their [[TwoLinesNoWaiting B-Story]], their true work of heroism. They just didn't single-handedly restore Dust through the PowerOfLove. I believe they only ''mirrored a process which was gradually happening throughout the rest of the multiverse anyway''.
222
223	For example, if Father Gomez succeeded in assassinating Lyra (which the Church seemed to believe would be an InstantWinCondition), all I believe would have happened is that the Dust drift over the Mulefa lands would not have ''immediately'' stopped. It simply would have ''gradually slowed down'' over the next few - months, years, who knows - but it ''would still have gradually slowed down'' as the restoration of Dust continued throughout the multiverse. The Mulefa would still have been saved, as would Dust throughout the rest of the worlds.
224
225	Also, I'm not trying to shoot down Lyra and Will's PowerOfLove with this WMG. What I'm actually trying to do is ''defend'' the PowerOfLove of ''every other love in existence'' in the book's multiverse.
226
227	Pullman inadvertently suggests that Lyra and Will's love is the only love that matters, as it is the only one which finally restores Dust.
228
229	What about the random couple in the random world which is by coincidence passionately kissing with just as much love as Lyra and Will? Aren't they creating just as much Dust?
230
231	Under Pullman's text, no, just because Lyra and Will are {{The Chosen One}}s. Under my theory, yes.
232
233	* It's been several months since I last read the books, so maybe I'm forgetting some detail that would be an issue for this theory; but one way of looking at it is that opening up the world of the dead was basically the single greatest consciousness/Dust affirming act ever (or at least in the top three :) ). The reason the outflow of Dust didn't stop as soon as Lyra and Will did it is because they had not "officially" come of age yet. Once they did, in that moment, they became receptive to Dust in the way that adults are, and because of their actions, they suddenly became the strongest attractors/creators of Dust in the multiverse. In short, Will and Lyra's love was not inherently special; it was just the unlocking of the floodgates that were holding back the creation/attraction of all that Dust due to their freeing of the world of the dead.
234
235	[[WMG: After Coulter and Asriel plummet through the Abyss for some time...]]
236	They get pulled into the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse by the Tesseract, like Loki did. AndTheAdventureContinues.
237
238	[[WMG: The world seen below Lyra's world in the intro...]]
239	* ...is the world where Asriel builds his fortress. It does look like it invokes the Tower of Babel.
240	** As with the world seen in the last chapter in Northern Lights,the most probable possibiity is that the world they see is actually Citagazze.
241	[[WMG: The Franchise/StarWars universe is part of the Multiverse.]]
242	The Dust is the Force, and midichlorians interact with it in a way that allow force users to harness the dust to influence their world.
243
244	[[WMG: The human characters are just pawns in the angels' larger struggle.]]
245	They only seem important because we're reading it from their point of view.[[note]]I'm sure the nearly-incoherent long version is still on the forum somewhere, to remind me forever that fluent Troper-ese is harder than it looks.[[/note]]
246
247	[[WMG: Dr. Malone's CAVE computer is a quantum computer.]]

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