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*** You can use something and not know exactly how it works. Ever driven a car? And do you know ''all'' the fine mechanical functions that make it work? I don't, and neither do a lot of people with driver's licenses, but that doesn't stop us from driving. As for your belief that wizards ''do not know math or science, period'': Math can be broken down into "anything that involves numbers" and science can be broken down into "the properties of [x] as affected by [y]"; by this reasoning, Potions ''is'' the magical equivalent of chemistry (since you have to ''add a certain quantity'' of ingredients to a cauldron to brew one, and it will alter the properties of the ingredients you put in it; if you're old enough to have taken a high-school chemistry class [which, I'm sorry, you really don't sound like you are], then you'll understand that POV) and Transfiguration ''is'' the magical equivalent of physics ("all right, kids, change this teapot into a tortoise, on three!" Changing the basic structure of an object through magic.). Also, "''not that the wizards themselves... use [alchemy]''"? [[CriticalResearchFailure Explain what Nicolas Flamel was doing in the first book, then, when he was credited as "the only known maker of the Philosopher's Stone", one of the most prominent pieces of alchemical lore]]. Finally, you should brush up on your WordOfGod, which states that wizard children are either home-schooled (yes, in ''all'' subjects including math and science) or are sent to Muggle primary schools (where they'd have to take math and science classes regardless).

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*** You can use something and not know exactly how it works. Ever driven a car? And do you know ''all'' the fine mechanical functions that make it work? I don't, and neither do a lot of people with driver's licenses, but that doesn't stop us from driving. As for your belief that wizards ''do not know math or science, period'': Math can be broken down into "anything that involves numbers" and science can be broken down into "the properties of [x] as affected by [y]"; by this reasoning, Potions ''is'' the magical equivalent of chemistry (since you have to ''add a certain quantity'' of ingredients to a cauldron to brew one, and it will alter the properties of the ingredients you put in it; if you're old enough to have taken a high-school chemistry class [which, I'm sorry, you really don't sound like you are], then you'll understand that POV) and Transfiguration ''is'' the magical equivalent of physics ("all right, kids, change this teapot into a tortoise, on three!" Changing the basic structure of an object through magic.). Also, "''not that the wizards themselves... use [alchemy]''"? [[CriticalResearchFailure Explain what Nicolas Flamel was doing in the first book, then, when he was credited as "the only known maker of the Philosopher's Stone", one of the most prominent pieces of alchemical lore]].lore. Finally, you should brush up on your WordOfGod, which states that wizard children are either home-schooled (yes, in ''all'' subjects including math and science) or are sent to Muggle primary schools (where they'd have to take math and science classes regardless).
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** That does raise further questions, both timeline and lore-wise. Would the wizarding world allow a book that essentially gives away all their secrets to Muggles? Not to mention the timeline: ''The Philosopher's Stone'' was first published in June 1997, just before the events of ''The Deathly Hallows''. Would Harry, Ron, Hermione, the Hogwarts staff, the Ministry etc. all really be willing to give interviews and information publicly? And during such a crucial and dark moment in wizard history?

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** That does raise further questions, both timeline and lore-wise. Would the wizarding world allow a book that essentially gives away all their secrets to Muggles? Not to mention the timeline: ''The Philosopher's Stone'' was first published in June 1997, just before the events of ''The Deathly Hallows''. Would Harry, Ron, Hermione, the Hogwarts staff, staff and its students, the Ministry etc. all really be willing to give interviews and information publicly? that would be publicly released to muggles? And during such a crucial and dark moment in wizard history?
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** That does raise further questions, both timeline and lore-wise. Would the wizarding world allow a book that essentially gives away all their secrets to Muggles? Not to mention the timeline: ''The Philosopher's Stone'' was first published in June 1997, just before the events of ''The Deathly Hallows''. Would Harry, Ron, Hermione, the Hogwarts staff, the Ministry etc. all really be willing to give interviews and information publicly? And during such a crucial and dark moment in wizard history?
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*** In short, [[DistinctionWithoutADifference sexual orientation is ultimately determined by genetics and not strictly determined by genetics]], a claim that [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment have no scientific evidence to prove or disprove]].

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*** In short, [[DistinctionWithoutADifference sexual orientation is ultimately determined by genetics and not strictly determined by genetics]], a claim that [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we have no scientific evidence to prove or disprove]].
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** After all, nobody will believe it’s not fiction, right?

[[WMG: A [[{{UsefulNotes/StockDinosaursOrnithischianDinosaurs}} Dracorex]] will appear in the canon one day]]
For those not in the know, ''Dracorex hogwartsea'' is a pachycephalosaur dinosaur named after Hogwarts.

Either it will be the result of time travel shenanigans, or they will be a magical species of [[LivingDinosaurs surviving dinosaur]].

To avoid the obvious paradox, it might be referred to as a Racodrex instead.

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** After all, nobody will believe it’s not fiction, right?

[[WMG: A [[{{UsefulNotes/StockDinosaursOrnithischianDinosaurs}} Dracorex]] will appear in the canon one day]]
For those not in the know, ''Dracorex hogwartsea'' is a pachycephalosaur dinosaur named after Hogwarts.

Either it will be the result of time travel shenanigans, or they will be a magical species of [[LivingDinosaurs surviving dinosaur]].

To avoid the obvious paradox, it might be referred to as a Racodrex instead.
right?
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* IJustWantToBeNormal: Invoked by Rita Skeeter and {{Justified}}. While, at first glance, being TheChosenOne seems awesome, Harry is basically BlessedWithSuck: a mind connection with a dangerous sociopath which he cannot control, a sociopath who has been trying to kill him since he was a baby. He lives in a CrapsaccharineWorld, grows up being withheld important information, raised to be a LivingMcGuffin, and seeing people die in front of him, all because of being TheChosenOne. It's no wonder he'd just prefer being normal.

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* IJustWantToBeNormal: Invoked by Rita Skeeter and {{Justified}}. While, at first glance, being TheChosenOne seems awesome, Harry is basically BlessedWithSuck: a mind connection with a dangerous sociopath which he cannot control, a sociopath who has been trying to kill him since he was a baby. He lives in a CrapsaccharineWorld, grows up being withheld important information, raised to be a LivingMcGuffin, LivingMacGuffin, and seeing people die in front of him, all because of being TheChosenOne. It's no wonder he'd just prefer being normal.
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*** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint You can use something and not know exactly how it works.]] Ever driven a car? And do you know ''all'' the fine mechanical functions that make it work? I don't, and neither do a lot of people with driver's licenses, but that doesn't stop us from driving. As for your belief that wizards ''do not know math or science, period'': Math can be broken down into "anything that involves numbers" and science can be broken down into "the properties of [x] as affected by [y]"; by this reasoning, Potions ''is'' the magical equivalent of chemistry (since you have to ''add a certain quantity'' of ingredients to a cauldron to brew one, and it will alter the properties of the ingredients you put in it; if you're old enough to have taken a high-school chemistry class [which, I'm sorry, you really don't sound like you are], then you'll understand that POV) and Transfiguration ''is'' the magical equivalent of physics ("all right, kids, change this teapot into a tortoise, on three!" Changing the basic structure of an object through magic.). Also, "''not that the wizards themselves... use [alchemy]''"? [[CriticalResearchFailure Explain what Nicolas Flamel was doing in the first book, then, when he was credited as "the only known maker of the Philosopher's Stone", one of the most prominent pieces of alchemical lore]]. Finally, you should brush up on your WordOfGod, which states that wizard children are either home-schooled (yes, in ''all'' subjects including math and science) or are sent to Muggle primary schools (where they'd have to take math and science classes regardless).

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*** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint You can use something and not know exactly how it works.]] works. Ever driven a car? And do you know ''all'' the fine mechanical functions that make it work? I don't, and neither do a lot of people with driver's licenses, but that doesn't stop us from driving. As for your belief that wizards ''do not know math or science, period'': Math can be broken down into "anything that involves numbers" and science can be broken down into "the properties of [x] as affected by [y]"; by this reasoning, Potions ''is'' the magical equivalent of chemistry (since you have to ''add a certain quantity'' of ingredients to a cauldron to brew one, and it will alter the properties of the ingredients you put in it; if you're old enough to have taken a high-school chemistry class [which, I'm sorry, you really don't sound like you are], then you'll understand that POV) and Transfiguration ''is'' the magical equivalent of physics ("all right, kids, change this teapot into a tortoise, on three!" Changing the basic structure of an object through magic.). Also, "''not that the wizards themselves... use [alchemy]''"? [[CriticalResearchFailure Explain what Nicolas Flamel was doing in the first book, then, when he was credited as "the only known maker of the Philosopher's Stone", one of the most prominent pieces of alchemical lore]]. Finally, you should brush up on your WordOfGod, which states that wizard children are either home-schooled (yes, in ''all'' subjects including math and science) or are sent to Muggle primary schools (where they'd have to take math and science classes regardless).
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** Moody represents Harry's desired future; for whatever faults he has, he was a man that had a long career and lived a long time fighting Voldemort and wizards like him, and was deeply respected, if not revered, by the people around him - as opposed to the CinderellaCircumstances Harry faced at the Dursleys'.

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** Moody represents Harry's desired future; for whatever faults he has, he was a man that had a long career and lived a long time fighting Voldemort and wizards like him, and was deeply respected, if not revered, by the people around him - as opposed to the CinderellaCircumstances abuse Harry faced at the Dursleys'.
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* So Harry Potter is Sean Lennon?

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* So Harry Potter is Sean Lennon?
comparable to John Lennon's first son, Julian Lennon: a kind, perpetual do-gooder and leader; son of a legendary but controversial man; murdered father widely regarded as both a hero and a jerkass; son is a spitting image of his father, but takes after his mother's much kinder personality; and one of his dad's best friends was something of a surrogate father to him.
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*** I think what she said was that to someone like Lucius Malfoy, Dumbledore’s mother being a muggleborn is a bigger sticking than him being gay, not that he would be necessarily approving of the latter.
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To avoid the obvious paradox, it might be referred to as a [[Main/Spoonerism Racodrex]].

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To avoid the obvious paradox, it might be referred to as a [[Main/Spoonerism Racodrex]].Racodrex instead.
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To avoid the obvious paradox, it might be referred to as a [[Spoonerism Racodrex]].

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To avoid the obvious paradox, it might be referred to as a [[Spoonerism [[Main/Spoonerism Racodrex]].
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** After all, nobody will believe it’s not fiction, right?

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** After all, nobody will believe it’s not fiction, right?right?

[[WMG: A [[{{UsefulNotes/StockDinosaursOrnithischianDinosaurs}} Dracorex]] will appear in the canon one day]]
For those not in the know, ''Dracorex hogwartsea'' is a pachycephalosaur dinosaur named after Hogwarts.

Either it will be the result of time travel shenanigans, or they will be a magical species of [[LivingDinosaurs surviving dinosaur]].

To avoid the obvious paradox, it might be referred to as a [[Spoonerism Racodrex]].
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While something as dark as [[BloodMagic horcruxes]] would leave you deformed, the reason why his face was flatter and other oddities represents the state of his soul. Namely, when less of one's soul is left so is more of his physical body; as if chopping off pieces of Tom Riddle's soul was magically mutilating his body. Being an EvilAlbino comes the loss of skin pigments, [[BaldOfEvil losing his hair]], the slit-like "nose" being the reduction of his nasal tissue, his body becoming thinner and more elongated. It's obviously not a 1:1 transition, but he does lose more of his physical form with each bit of soul taken, albeit the physical damage is a relatively less severe than the damage to his soul.

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While something as dark as [[BloodMagic horcruxes]] would leave you deformed, the reason why his face was flatter and other oddities represents the state of his soul. Namely, when less of one's soul is left so is more of his physical body; as if chopping off pieces of Tom Riddle's soul was magically mutilating his body. Being an EvilAlbino albino comes the loss of skin pigments, [[BaldOfEvil losing his hair]], the slit-like "nose" being the reduction of his nasal tissue, his body becoming thinner and more elongated. It's obviously not a 1:1 transition, but he does lose more of his physical form with each bit of soul taken, albeit the physical damage is a relatively less severe than the damage to his soul.
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*** In short, [[DistinctionWithoutADifference sexual orientation is ultimately determined by genetics and not strictly determined by genetics]], a claim that [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment have no scientific evidence to prove or disprove]].

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*** In short, [[DistinctionWithoutADifference sexual orientation is ultimately determined by genetics and not strictly determined by genetics]], a claim that [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment have no scientific evidence to prove or disprove]].
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He was a self-professed mystic in real life, even had a WizardBeard. The spells he put on the tsars were some dark magic, maybe even the Imperius Curse, and used healing magic to cure Alexei. The real reason behind his assassination is that he threatened to break TheMasquerade, and used various defensive spells [[RasputinianDeath so that his death was prolonged]]. The "official" story is a muggle cover-up. He didn't have a horcrux though, that would be Koschei the Deathless.

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He was a self-professed mystic in real life, even had a WizardBeard. The spells he put on the tsars were some dark magic, maybe even the Imperius Curse, and used healing magic to cure Alexei. The real reason behind his assassination is that he threatened to break TheMasquerade, and used various defensive spells [[RasputinianDeath so that his death was prolonged]]. The "official" story is a muggle cover-up. He didn't have a horcrux though, that would be Koschei the Deathless.Deathless.
[[WMG: Harry Potter is real, and JKR is a witch who is the wizarding world’s equivalent of Edward Snowden etc.]]
The books, films, etc were her version of our Wikileaks, and the fact that Truth is Stranger than Fiction is the reason the Wizarding world hasn’t come after her.
**After all, nobody will believe it’s not fiction, right?

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** Maybe she´s Rita Skeeter, looking for some profit by selling the story. It´s not like the Ministry will go after her at this point...

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** Maybe she´s Rita Skeeter, looking for some profit by selling the story. It´s not like the Ministry will go after her at this point...point...

[[WMG: [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy Rasputin was a Russian wizard]]. ]]
He was a self-professed mystic in real life, even had a WizardBeard. The spells he put on the tsars were some dark magic, maybe even the Imperius Curse, and used healing magic to cure Alexei. The real reason behind his assassination is that he threatened to break TheMasquerade, and used various defensive spells [[RasputinianDeath so that his death was prolonged]]. The "official" story is a muggle cover-up. He didn't have a horcrux though, that would be Koschei the Deathless.
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** Harry's real lucky that he didn't receive a Killing Curse to the eye then?
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The wizard world has a history of gender and race equality, their first female minister for magic was in the 18th century. The fact that she was even able to take the post implies that women had the same professional OPPORTUNITIES long before then, even if they had not yet been successful at taking such high-p ower positions. However, the muggle world is a different story. Muggleborns entering the wizard world would have brought with them the biases of their upbringing; racism, classism, religious-based prejudice and sexism among them. After the 18th century (at latest), the classism would have been the only remaining shared prejudice between the two societies.

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The wizard world has a history of gender and race equality, their first female minister for magic was in the 18th century. The fact that she was even able to take the post implies that women had the same professional OPPORTUNITIES long before then, even if they had not yet been successful at taking such high-p ower high-power positions. However, the muggle world is a different story. Muggleborns entering the wizard world would have brought with them the biases of their upbringing; racism, classism, religious-based prejudice and sexism among them. After the 18th century (at latest), the classism would have been the only remaining shared prejudice between the two societies.
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* And why noone protests when Voldermort takes over. [[FullCircleRevolution In comes the new boss, same as the old boss.]]

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* And why noone no one protests when Voldermort Voldemort takes over. [[FullCircleRevolution In comes the new boss, same as the old boss.]]
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* Who wrote a series of history books that were re-released as fiction for the Muggle community.

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* Who wrote a series of history books that were re-released as fiction for the Muggle community.community.
**Maybe she´s Rita Skeeter, looking for some profit by selling the story. It´s not like the Ministry will go after her at this point...
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The family being exiled, probably into Western Europe, could be the reason behind their unusual surname, since the proper variant would be Krumov (for men) or Krumova (for women). The practice of shedding the suffix (or leaving it as the male form for girls) is not unheard of among expats naming their children. As for Viktor being on the national Qudditch team, it's possible that after the HoleInFlag revolution in 1989 he returned to Bulgaria when the dictatorship fell and was recruited for the team.

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The family being exiled, probably into Western Europe, could be the reason behind their unusual surname, since the proper variant would be Krumov (for men) or Krumova (for women). The practice of shedding the suffix (or leaving it as the male form for girls) is not unheard of among expats naming their children. As for Viktor being on the national Qudditch team, it's possible that after the HoleInFlag UsefulNotes/HoleInFlag revolution in 1989 he returned to Bulgaria when the dictatorship fell and was recruited for the team.
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With this in mind, it's possible that the reason why Voldemort is the only person to make multiple horcruxes is because the practitioner, asides from [[EvenEvilHasStandards having more conscience than Tom to not repeat something so horrible]], was the fear that they'd be more deformed and fragile. Tom Riddle may have only wanted seven horcruxes because by the time you get to double digits you go from "mutilated but just as capable" to "[[EvilCripple a skeletal anorexic]]". The snake resemblance was somewhat of a coincidence.

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With this in mind, it's possible that the reason why Voldemort is the only person to make multiple horcruxes is because the practitioner, asides from [[EvenEvilHasStandards having more conscience than Tom to not repeat something so horrible]], was the fear that they'd be more deformed and fragile. Tom Riddle may have only wanted seven horcruxes because by the time you get to double digits you go from "mutilated but just as capable" to "[[EvilCripple a skeletal anorexic]]". The snake resemblance was somewhat of a coincidence.coincidence.

[[WMG: J.K Rowling is a witch]]

*Who wrote a series of history books that were re-released as fiction for the Muggle community.
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[[WMG: Wizards are [[{{TheBible}} Nephilim]]]]

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*** Rohm was killed in 1934, though. Five years later, at the start of WW2, the Nazis ''were'' extremely anti-gay. Gay people were sent to the concentration camps, you know.

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*** Rohm was killed in 1934, though. Five years later, at the start of WW2, [=WW2=], the Nazis ''were'' extremely anti-gay. Gay people were sent to the concentration camps, you know.
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[[WMG: MargaretThatcher turned the tide during Voldemort's first insurrection by decimating the Giants]]

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[[WMG: MargaretThatcher UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher turned the tide during Voldemort's first insurrection by decimating the Giants]]
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** Hades was a horribly misunderstood wizard who was fascinated by the dead. He lived alone (later with his muggle wife, Persephone) in his dark underground home known to others at the Underworld. Hades was one of the first ever practitioners of necromancy, and ancient dark art that has always been poorly understood. Among his studies included ghosts, the undead, and was the first wizard to study the effects of the veil. Unfortunately word soon got out that those who recently died would find their way into Hades' Underworld. This lead to his nickname and bad reputation as "Lord of the Dead". Many muggles and wizardkind alike angrily tried to lay siege on the Underworld, leading Hades to breed Cerberus, the first known giant three-headed dog in order to protect himself and Persephone. Among his inventions is the Helm of Darkness aka his Cap of Invisibility which had an extremely powerful disillusionment charm cast on it (considered to be a forerunner to the invisibility cloaks).

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** Hades was a horribly misunderstood wizard who was fascinated by the dead. He lived alone (later with his muggle wife, Persephone) in his dark underground home known to others at the Underworld. Hades was one of the first ever practitioners of necromancy, and an ancient dark art that has always been poorly understood. Among his studies included ghosts, the undead, and was the first wizard to study the effects of the veil. Unfortunately word soon got out that those who recently died would find their way into Hades' Underworld. This lead to his nickname and bad reputation as "Lord of the Dead". Many muggles and wizardkind alike angrily tried to lay siege on the Underworld, leading Hades to breed Cerberus, the first known giant three-headed dog in order to protect himself and Persephone. Among his inventions is the Helm of Darkness aka his Cap of Invisibility which had an extremely powerful disillusionment charm cast on it (considered to be a forerunner to the invisibility cloaks).
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*** In short, [[DistinctionWithoutADifference homosexuality is ultimately determined by genetics, not strictly determined by genetics]], a claim that [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment have no scientific evidence to prove or disprove]].

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*** In short, [[DistinctionWithoutADifference homosexuality sexual orientation is ultimately determined by genetics, genetics and not strictly determined by genetics]], a claim that [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment have no scientific evidence to prove or disprove]].
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*** In short, [[DistinctionWithoutADifference homosexuality is ultimately determined by genetics, not strictly determined by genetics]], a claim that [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment have no scientific evidence to prove or disprove]].
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Most people who espouse or champion the philosophy [[BlueBlood are of the elite]] like the Malfoy and Black families. They put a value on family ties like most of the nobility. Their antipathy towards muggles is similar to how prejudiced members of the nobility have seen peasants or rich people have looked down on common or poor people; because they're of a lower ranking and thus "lesser". Muggle prejudice is driven mainly by the belief that their ignorance of things like magic and ability to use "enlighting" powers makes them the equivalent of a third nation and thus their inferiors. Of course there's obviously a lot of anti-semitism parallels, but it's elitism which is the most prominent one.

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Most people who espouse or champion the philosophy [[BlueBlood are of the elite]] like the Malfoy and Black families. They put a value on family ties like most of the nobility. Their antipathy towards muggles is similar to how prejudiced members of the nobility have seen peasants or rich people have looked down on common or poor people; because they're of a lower ranking and thus "lesser". Muggle prejudice is driven mainly by the belief that their ignorance of things like magic and ability to use "enlighting" powers makes them the equivalent of a third nation and thus their inferiors. Of course there's obviously a lot of anti-semitism parallels, but it's elitism which is the most prominent one.one.

[[WMG: Voldemort's deformities represent the amount of soul left in him.]]
While something as dark as [[BloodMagic horcruxes]] would leave you deformed, the reason why his face was flatter and other oddities represents the state of his soul. Namely, when less of one's soul is left so is more of his physical body; as if chopping off pieces of Tom Riddle's soul was magically mutilating his body. Being an EvilAlbino comes the loss of skin pigments, [[BaldOfEvil losing his hair]], the slit-like "nose" being the reduction of his nasal tissue, his body becoming thinner and more elongated. It's obviously not a 1:1 transition, but he does lose more of his physical form with each bit of soul taken, albeit the physical damage is a relatively less severe than the damage to his soul.

With this in mind, it's possible that the reason why Voldemort is the only person to make multiple horcruxes is because the practitioner, asides from [[EvenEvilHasStandards having more conscience than Tom to not repeat something so horrible]], was the fear that they'd be more deformed and fragile. Tom Riddle may have only wanted seven horcruxes because by the time you get to double digits you go from "mutilated but just as capable" to "[[EvilCripple a skeletal anorexic]]". The snake resemblance was somewhat of a coincidence.

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