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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Alex's]] next grand master plan after Dark Dawn is simply to kill [[spoiler: Isaac.]]

Hence why the are not among the 4 masters of the elements in the Mars Lighthouse and partly why [[spoiler:All of the ones you fight possese the ability to turn into dragons]]. They could also be Dragons proper, merely taking human's form (perhaps they have been forced to, ala [[FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia]]'s dragons).

*** Shipping occurs in all fandoms, even in series that in which they do not fit in at all (ResidentEvil comes to mind).

* Crown is [[{{Touhou}} the strongest, and also a genius]]. Look at him/her, s/he's got the hair, the [[AnIcePerson elemental affinity]], and the triangle-patterned clothing...

Hence why the are not among the 4 masters of the elements in the Mars Lighthouse and partly why [[spoiler:All of the ones you fight possese the ability to turn into dragons]]. They could also be Dragons proper, merely taking human's form (perhaps they have been forced to, ala [[FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia's]] dragons).

** Matt, Ty, and Karis could just be the starting group. You would recruit more as you go.

[[WMG: Dark Dawn will be [[HijackedByGanon Hijacked by Alex.]]]]

*** Rather Crown is an ''Webcomic/OrderOfTheStick'' [[AmbiguousGender Elf]].

* Don't forget Craggy Peak's WesternZodiac puzzles.

Also, the Colloseo Gladiators cameo as Senators.

[[WMG: The ShiningForce and GoldenSun universes are one and the same]]

** It seems strange that GoldenSun has a large shipping fanbase to begin with, considering the series is basically a NoHuggingNoKissing story that focuses instead on ThePowerOfFriendship.

* [[GoldenSunDarkDawn His son]] says [[SymbolSwearing "Amen"]] to that.

[[WMG: All the heroes of the first two games married outside of the {{Nakama}}.]]

** It's been confirmed that Matthew is the son of Isaac and Jenna, so that's one in-Nakama marriage. No word, though, on if Sheba married either of Garet or Ivan, or if Mia married either of Felix or Piers.

[[WMG: If all the hookups happened inside the {{Nakama}}, going only with the kids' appearances a likely combination would be...]]

* Even if this turns out to be false, the idea that Karis's mother is a Mercury Adept (possibly someone from outside the {{Nakama}}, as posited above) seems extremely plausible. In addition to explaining her odd hair color (by the previously mentioned yellow + blue = green theory), it also has the bonus of explaining how the Jupiter element suddenly has a [[http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Fresh_Breeze_Psynergy_series series of healing psyenergy]]--one which, interestingly enough, is ''exactly'' half as powerful as [[http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Wish_Psynergy_series the Mercury-aligned Wish series]] at the stages that have been revealed thus far.

Notice: Guessings that deal solely with either ''Dark Dawn'' or future installments belong on the newly created [[WMG/{{Ptitlejxjnwzeo}} Dark Dawn WMG page]].

It's possible that at least one other survived, and that one might not be as friendly.

Notice: Guessings that deal solely with either ''Dark Dawn'' or future installments belong on the newly created [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Ptitlejxjnwzeo Dark Dawn WMG page]].

*** It's not a dress, [[TheEmperorsNewGroove it's a robe]].

*** Rather Crown is an OrderOfTheStick [[AmbiguousGender Elf]].

* All {{jossed}}, Camelot did choose. [[spoiler:Valeshipping wins: Matthew is Isaac and Jenna's son. [[{{Understatement}} Mudshippers will NOT be pleased]]. . .]]

Hey, his Signature Move is a frigging lightning sword.

If they didn't, then all you'd see when you did a 3 or 4 Djinn summon would be the same as 3 or 4 individual summons.

* Face it: When the fanbase isn't making theories or sequel hoaxes, they're too occupied with shipping. So what better way to give the middle finger to the shippers than having a sequel that makes one pairing canon ([[spoiler:Valeshipping]]) and none of the others specified? That's a way to mess with their heads.

** But it ''does'' make every other possible pairing among the player character bogus (all 4 of the original characters have their own, apparently unreleated children) or confirmed [[spoiler:except Felix and Sheba.]]

** Alternatively, the Tuaparang waited for alchemy's return, and like suggested above, are planning on reshaping Weyard in their own image.

[[WMG: Amiti is Alex's son.]]
His mother died without telling anyone who his father was, his uncle has no clue, and he looks ''a hell of a lot like Alex''.
* Further credence to this theory: When you meet Tret, he reads the party members' auras upon hearing that they're the children of the Warriors of Vale, to see who they're related to. And when he reads Amiti's, he says that according to Amiti's aura, he's a relative of Mia's... The Sun Saga books explicitly refer to Alex as Mia's cousin, so it's entirely plausible that that's what caused the similar aura reading...
* Even better; late in the game, when you're collecting the orbs for unlocking the Endless Wall, Arcanus/Alex has already paid Unan a visit to tell him that Matthew ought to be granted the Crimson Orb. One of Unan's ministers, if you talk to him, asks that if you're visiting him again, what happened to your ''mask''? There's only one person in the party who could be mistaken for a maskless Arcanus...
** I forget when it happens, but I belive it's when Kraden and Karis agree to not have Kraden tell everyone who Arcanus is under the mask, because they might wind up being close to someone in the group and make it difficult for them to fight against. During this conversation, Kraden is looking at Amiti.
*** On a smililar note, kudos for Karis for figuring out that Amiti is Arcanus' son, (possibly) before figuring out who he really is
* Though knowing [[ManipulativeBastard Alex]], it's definite that he only does his actions to further his own goals. If he did know about Amiti's existence, he'd most likely use him [[{{Tykebomb}} as a pawn]]. (It is just as possible that Alex doesn't know anything about Amiti being his son or that [[XanatosGambit he planned it all along]].)
** I am certain that someone as smart as Alex realizes that Amiti is his son (Amiti's mother, age, power, hair color, and even appearance fit according to some NPC). Even if he didn't know that he had a son, by the time Dark Dawn ends, he should have realized it. Even Kraden notices the connection. The question is whether Alex made Amiti on purpose, whether he cares about the kid, and whether he has more plans for the kid.
* Also, Alex seems to be really interested in Alchemy Machines. He's been involved in the activating of almost all the major ones we activated in the game (and I'm pretty sure he was behind Chalis for the Alchemy Forge too). It really isn't too far of a stretch to say that he activated the Alchemy Well.
* Apparently confirmed by a character tree posted by Camelot but I CANNOT FIND THE LINK.
** Here http://twitpic.com/3foeq0.
** The next question is, [[HeroicBSOD how many kinds of badly]] is [[TheWoobie Amiti]] going to take [[LukeIAmYourFather learning about it]]? He reacted badly to finding out he HAD a father...
** Oh yes! Bring on the bishie angst!

* Face it: When the fanbase isn't making theories or sequel hoaxes, they're too occupied with shipping. So what better way to give the middle finger to the shippers than having a sequel that makes one pairing canon (Valeshipping) and none of the others specified? That's a way to mess with their heads.

** But it ''does'' make every other possible pairing among the player character bogus (all 4 of the original characters have their own, apparently unreleated children) or confirmed (Jenna) except Felix and Sheba.

[[WMG: The Umbra Clan/Tuaparang are descendents of the Anemos.]]
The city of the Anemos was indicated in TLA to have flown away and become Weyard's moon when Psynergy was sealed. They harvested all the light energy that could reach them to power their technology in the absence of Alchemy, which resulted in their continued technological superiority, and eventually in the mutation of their powers, since by using up all the light they left themselves [[IncrediblyLamePun in the dark]].
* Psynergy Vortexes may or may not be a weapon they are using to influence and shape the nations on Weyard's surface. This is suggested by the one in the caves under the Konpa Ruins, which appeared to be generated by a machine and was accompanied by Tuaparang soldiers.
* When Alchemy re-emerged, they sent a team to investigate the greatest surge of it, the Golden Sun, which is where they found and recovered Alex after his scrape with the Wise One. Alex offered his expertise on present-day Weyard in repayment for his rescue, which had the handy-dandy side effects of granting him powerful allies and allowing him to continue searching for Alchemy Machines in his own quest. He activated the Alchemy Well in Ayuthay, and did [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean some other stuff there as well]].
* Working with Alex, the Tuaparang orchestrated the activation of the Eclipse Tower, which siphoned light away from Weyard. They did this to power up a superweapon of their own, one whose effects will be seen in the sequel. They attempted to use the Apollo Lens to provide even more power (Alex asks them where they are aiming it in a cutscene), but our heroes prevented that by defeating them.

[[WMG: Alex is going to try a GrandTheftMe on Amity]]
In fact, it's the only reason Amity was conceived in the first place. Amity inherited his psynergy, is next in line for the throne of his country, and has Insight, which Alex could never use. Since he knows that the Wise One screwed up his plan for ultimate power, might as well start again, and this time, making sure he's hiding as a hero.


[[WMG: The fourth game will star Felix's ''daughter'']]
Why? Because Camelot realized there should be more variety to main characters than mute male Venus Squires. Also wouldn't put [[FlameBait her being a Jupiter adept]] past them.
* That's possible. [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything Hacking Mind Read in Prox at the end of TLA]] also reveals that Felix is suddenly [[http://kprs.laronmi.net/taow/miscellany/mindread/shop2.png rather]] [[http://kprs.laronmi.net/taow/miscellany/mindread/outside6.png popular]] with the Fire Clan, so his SpinOffspring could really go either way. ... [[{{Polyamory}} Or both]]...
** Hell, two "full" siblings could be Mars and Jupiter. The game never makes clear how exactly inheritance of Adeptness works and Jenna is a Mars Adept.
* It would make sense that Nowel was absent for a reason, She'll assemble her own Nakama for the sequel and likely take the place of Amiti, Sveta, Eoleo, and Himi when they meet up with Matthew and the others.
** Takeru might finally put in an appearance as well.
*** Then that'll probably cover our Venus adept. So that just leaves us with whoever the creators make up for the Mars and Jupiter.
* This troper consistently misreads your WMG as saying ''Feizhi'''s daughter will be the hero... considering the way Golden Sun fandom works... hey, Camelot, let's see [[CrackPairing crack happen]] for the next game!

[[WMG: The fourth game will have an EvilDuo named Diamond and Club]]
* We always have a PinkGirlBlueBoy pair of antagonists to string our heroes along, and who could bare to leave such a straight-forward motif half done?
** But instead of the previous pink girl's pinker little sister, Diamond is going to be Spade's [[YouKilledMyFather revenge-seeking]] [[ItGotWorse EVEN MORE]] {{BADASS}} [[KnightTemplarBigBrother BIG BRO]].
*** Club will be an Agatio {{Expy}} and TheBrute of the HugeGuyTinyGirl duo with Diamond.
** Blados and Chalis seem to match well enough to the Swords and Cups motifs described on our TarotMotifs page. I'm guessing their successors would do the same. According to our article, the suit of Staves/Wands "deals with will, passion, and power. The Male symbol." So Club will probably be the guy of the duo and be HotBlooded. The suit of Coins "deals with the physical, with wealth, health and growth" - I'm guessing Diamond is going to be a greedy girl. Oh, and I'll throw out a guess that their dub names will be Leangles and Galleos, respectively, borrowing from [[KamenRiderBlade another series that used Blade and Chalice as tarot-themed names]].
** Alternately, Club will be [[BrawnHilda the chick]], and Diamond [[{{Trickster}} the dude]]. There, we've covered all our bases.
* In the Japanese, Blados, Chalis, and Arcanus were Spade, Heart, and Ace. So they were card-based, but on a playing card deck instead of the Tarot. The next air will be Club/ Clover and Diamond in Japan, and then Coin/ Pentacle and Wand/ Staff in tthe US (though I can't remember how Club and Diamond match up to the Tarot suites...).
** Club = stick weapon = Staff and Diamond = shiny and valuable = Coin.

[[WMG: All the villains from Dark Dawn will ultimately turn out to have [[AntiVillain sympathetic motivations]] and/or be [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned Extremists]]... Except [[NeutralEvil Alex]]]]

Because, hey, why mess with tradition?
* Conversely: Alex will turn out to be a WellIntentionedExtremist opposing the will of The Wise One who turns out to be a SelfishEvil JerkassGod.
** Most likely jossed. Alex crossed the MoralEventHorizon [[spoiler:by manipulating Tuaparang, Sana and Morgul into activating the Eclipse Tower when he knew damn well that its creators never wanted it to be unsealed. Because of him, half of Angara was probably KilledOffForReal.]]
** And the Wise One [[spoiler: is an artificial intelligence that was trying to compromise its own directives with the new knowledge provided by the heroes.]]
* Alternatively, they're ALL WellIntentionedExtremist.
** Entirely possible considering the plot twists of the first two games-- that everybody was trying to save the world, they just had different perspectives on how it was in danger.

[[WMG: In the penultimate game.]]
* We'll have control of EVERY character from the games. Meaning we'll likely have a party totalling at about 20+ characters. Overkill? Maybe. Tottally kickass way to end the series and serve for one hell of an epic showdown? Damn skippy.
** Maybe a tactical RPG like ShiningForce? Made by the same company after all...
** Hmm, it's possible. Though I would think Camelot isn't gonna shift too far from the traditional gameplay much. Though one would hope they'll at least spice it up for the 4th game since you can only make a solid game with the same mechanics so many times before it looses flavor.
* Perhaps it'll be a split the party moment? except instead of splitting your party, you're splitting your party plus the other PCs. For example, you's have Isaac, Garet, Ivan, and Mia in one squad, Felix, Jenna, Sheba, and Piers in another, then Matthew, Tyrell, Karis, and Rief, then Sveta, Himi, Eoleo, and Amiti in another.
** Possibly other squads including Takeru (Himi's brother), Nowell (Rief's sister), the other protagonists' kids, and/ or other awesome NPC's kids.

[[WMG: On Adepts in non-Adept communities...]]
After the seal of Alchemy, the [[{{Precursors}} Jenei and Exathi]] intermarried with the [[{{Muggles}} Fori]], and their powers seeped into most bloodlines, so in theory, an Adept could come from any family or community. Most people just aren't strong enough to actually use or see Psynergy, because their Jenei blood is so dilute. As a result, we have mostly non-Adept communities like Contigo and Kibombo, where once in a while an Adept (Ahri or Akafubu) does happen, and people who are born non-Adepts before being exposed to elemental energies and developing new powers (Feizhi, werewolves, and Eoleo).
* This also explains Feizhi's [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair bright purple hair]], and why Hama was trying to teach her Psynergy-- she could sense Feizhi's latent Adept qualities, and was trying to bring them out.
* This also means [[MemeticBadass Kraden]] could potentially [[AscendedMeme become an Adept by the end of the series]].
** That'd be pretty epic if he were to be the big hero who saves everyone in the end in a HeroicSacrifice.

[[WMG: Golden Sun 4 will take place during Dark Dawn.]]
* Much like how Lost Age begun just a bit before the conclusion of Broken Seal (Golden Sun 1's subtitle), the next game will take place shortly after Nowell and Kraden were sperated from her brother and Matthew's group. It'll then follow them traveling to the places that Matthew and the gang would have passed through if not for broken bridge that prompted them to go all the way around (Carver's camp). Eventually, Nowell will meet Piers and as suggested above, Himi's brother, Takeru. Their journey will then take them on a mission that might possibly coincide with some of the events in Dark Dawn in sublte ways, eventually culminating in the story catching up just as Matthew and friends return to Goma plateu and witness the return of the Mourning Moon. Whether Camelot will then have the story continue from there or make us wait 'til a fifth game, I can't say...
* Hm, I think I like the idea of Nowell being a PC, but I don't think they'd replay all those events, or at least have them go by quickly or something, so it doesn't end at the same spot cronologically.

[[WMG: Dark as an element is "Pluto" and light as an element is "Eris"]]
Well, little less set for light, but it would be one of the other dwarf planets.
* Pluto being the Greek god of the Underworld makes sense for Dark, Eris being the goddess of anger/enmity/all that fun jazz, less so... then again the series [[SadlyMythtaken is not above that]].

[[WMG: Element!Light will be named Ceres]]
** An amendment to my above, as I realized we have another roman god named dwarf planet. Stupid me for only looking at things ''after'' Neptune''. "agriculture, grain crops, fertility and motherly relationships" seems workable for light.
** Probably jossed. The series' elements get their elemental affinities from Chinese Taoism's planetary associations. If either Light or Dark has an elemental name, it'll have to be Saturn to fit in with the theme. My guess is it'll be Darkness since I have a hunch that Light will be Sol or something sun-related.
*** That's not joshed that's just puttting it in doubt, also, Dark and Light are added afterwards and are equal, giving one a "full" planet as a name is unbalanced. Giveing both of them the names of Dwarf Planets fits their stats as new additions.
**** Bonus points for being the most importants dwarf planets. Ceres was the first dwarf planet to be found in the inner solar system (light) and it lead to the discovery of the rest of the asteroid belt. Pluto was the first dwarf planet to be found in the outer solar system (dark) and it led to the discovery of the rest of the Kuiper Belt. I'm expecting the developers to say SureWhyNot to this one.
* Darkness Adepts are of the Umbra clan, which is Latin, so my vote is that light Adepts will be known as the Lumen clan. And since they started messing with light and dark only after messing with the elements, they might not have planet names. The closest I think you'd get is Sol for light Psynergy and Luna for dark Psynergy, with their clans known as Lumen and Umbra.
* Or, you know, they could just be called Sol and Luna...

[[WMG: Imil and Lalivero are protected from the Grave Eclipse thanks to the lighthouse's... light]]
Will have to check, but I think you could see the Mercury Lighthouse is the Eclipse, and it was dark.
* No need for that with Lalivero, it's far south of the Eclipse. Imil is in the danger zone though, yes. Possibly the area round Mt Aleph too, that's roughly where the western edge of the eclipse should be.

[[WMG: GS4 will revisit the lighthouses]]
A little remembered bit of TLA's ending is that the area around the lighthouse will be dangerous thanks to Alchemy's release, but nothing is expanded on. I doubt it will be to shut them off, perhaps to keep someone from using them somehow?
* Possibly alluded to in the very beginning of Dark Dawn, when Tyrell mentions the older Adepts must have wanted the Soarwing to retrace the steps of their own journey.

[[WMG: Arcanus is the real leader of Tuaparang]]
The High Empyror is at best a political puppet on a standard "TakeOverTheWorld" power trip whom [[spoiler:Alex]] is manipulating. Blados and Chalis realised this, and that's why [[spoiler: they turned on him: since Tuaparang is no longer the country they once knew.]]

[[WMG: Isaac's "danger" is from Alex, who needs to achieve the 6th and final element, Mars]]
At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the Mars Star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eclipse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac and [[AGodIAm become a god]].

[[WMG: Matthew has a sister.]]
They never said he was an only child. We only assume so because Matthew was the only one with his Father, but if Isaac and Jenna had more than one kid the other one(s) could be with Mom. If this is true, then she's probably a Fire Adept.
* If there's a sibling for anyone, they'd be pretty young to not be up at the cabin training with Isaac and Garet.

And if the above WMG about the next game following Felix's daughter is also true than maybe the initial party will be gender inverse to the one from Dark Dawn. Female Venus Adept (party leader), Female Mars Adept, Male Jupiter Adept, and Nowell.
* And that sister will turn out to have inherited the portion of the Mars Star that was given to her father because inherited her mother's element. That's why Isaac and Jenna aren't shown together. Their daughter needs to be kept out of plain sight so [[HiddenAgendaVillain certain people]] don't go after her. Jenna is also making sure her daughter's enhanced Mars psynergy is properly trained. The game's plot will heavily involve keeping the enemies from getting their hands on her.
* As for the next game's initial party, it seems more likely that the initial Mercury adept will be a child of Piers and a warrior to boot. Nowell will be the party's second Mercury adept like Amiti.
* There is zero evidence that Isaac has any idea that he has a piece of the Golden Sun in him.

[[WMG: The next game will increase party size...]]
...So that you can cover all four base elements and add in a Dark/Light adept as well.
* That or people can have dual element classes with a standard element plus light or dark. Ooooh, what if they have light/ dark Djinn?

[[WMG: Matthew and Sveta are now Light Adepts]]
as signified by their glowing golden (or in Sveta's case, just glowing) eyes in the stinger. As the first two games explained, normal people can become Adepts through prolonged exposure to Psynergy directly (The Valeans and Mt. Aleph) or indirectly (Strong winds from Air's Rock carrying bits of Psy stones through Garoh), or with a large or concentrated amount in a short time (like Feizhi and the Psy stone that hit her head). When Matt and Sveta were exposed to large amounts of Light-based Psynergy from the Apollo Lens, but the exposure would have killed them if Volechek hadn't literally stepped in; as such, Matthew is now a Venus/Sol combo, and Sveta is a Sol/Jupiter combo.
* I have to wonder how that works... true, Matthew's ''[[OurSoulsAreDifferent spirit]]'' was in Sveta in the endgame, but not his body. (ThatCameOutWrong) It is plausible that psynergy is transmitted by spirit as opposed to body, but we can't be sure until they return.[[hottip:*:Which, I think will come sooner for Matthew but ''much'' later for Sveta, see below]] Also, there is the [[SwordOfPlotAdvancement Umbra Gear]] to consider: [[CastingAShadow creating a shield of darkness]] as protection from radiation. Plus, there is little doubt that [[ManipulativeBastard Alex]] may have powers that require ''somebody'' to invoke DarkIsNotEvil[[hottip:*:as Alex would invoke LightIsNotGood]]. So, Matt likely would be Venus/Sol, but I'd expect Sveta to be Jupiter/Luna.
** Agreed. Considering the theme of balance in the series, it would make more sense for one to be light and the other dark. Plus they have the male/ female dichotomety going, plus the fact that the beastmen are already closely tied to the moon, which sees to be connected to darkness.

[[WMG: Blados and Chalis are...]]
The reincarnations of Saturos and Menardi, respectively, as Tuaparang. However, they retained their memories of their past lives (save Alex, because he would have had something in place to make sure they forgot about [[strike:his true]] [[ManipulativeBastard the front he projected to be his true nature]]), and realized that the Tuaparang were utter dicks compared to the Proxians, and decided to do the world a favor, repent, and wipe those bastards off the map.

[[WMG: The [[GoldenSunDarkDawn Descendents]] will join the main group in the fourth game...]]
...but not the Regents. Sveta and Eoleo have to rebuild their respective nations and Amiti's uncle may still be on death's door. Only Himi would be available to travel, and most speculation is that her brother Takeru would be part of Game 4's main party. Never fear, though; there will come a time later on when all of Gen II [[GondorCallsForAid will combine]] for the FinalBattle against the Tuparang/Alex. (But not before a Fire and a Water adept also become dual-types per a previous WMG, should Matt & Sveta also be dual-typed.)

[[WMG: A Proxian will be part of the team in the 4th game...]]
...and basically be a Fire [[{{Expy}} version]] of Sveta. Complete with the ability to [[ShapeShifting shapeshift]] into a [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon]].

[[WMG: Amiti was born to [[SealedInsideAPersonShapedCan hold the power of the Mercury star]].]]
We've already established that Alex is Amiti's father, and it's also known that Alex has most of the Golden Sun absorbed. It's possible that Amiti got the power of the Mercury star and it's residing in his body so that it won't fall into the wrong hands. Though alternatively (and more likely), Alex was storing it in Amiti to save it for later and when he wants the power back, he'll try to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his own kid]], possibly using the LukeIAmYourFather revelation to stun him. And if this were true, it's likely Alex would have fathered other children to act as human vessels for the Jupiter and Venus stars.
* Canon or not, do you mind if I steal that for my fic?
** Go ahead. Besides, this page is for everyone's guessing.
** In that case, would that mean he has bastard children that are Jupiter and Mars Adepts floating around too? Preferably either in a position of power (like Amiti as a prince), responsibility (guarding something he needs), or where they can learn a valuable skill (special Psynergy, a trade like smithing, tactics, etc.)
*** Jupiter and Venus spawn. Alex is Mars-challenged.

[[WMG: Darkness and Light Psynergies were planned for as early as the first game]]
Though guesswork that may never be confirmed or denied, it seems likely that Sol Sanctum with its depictions of both Sol and Luna may have been an extremely subtle hint that there were more elements than just the classical Earth, Wind, Fire, & Water.
* True. I need to see Kraden's comments on the sun and moon rooms again, he was curious as hell about it and we never got any answers. I *think* he was curious as to why the moon was featured along with the sun in the Sol Sanctum.

[[WMG: One of the first missions Golden Sun 4 will involve going to the remains of the Sol Sanctum]]
And either re-exploring the sun and moon rooms mentioned above, and/ or discovering additional chambers related to light and darkness psynergy. This could possibly be used to show off Matthew's newly acquired Light Psynergy, if he got some as speculated above.
* The ENTIRE POINT of heading out on this quest was to fix the soarwing Tyrell broke so your family could study the remains of Sol Sanctum and Mount Aleph. So once you deal with TheStinger, it's time to go Indy all over that mountain. Heck, you might need to do so in order to deal with TheStinger at all.

[[WMG: Kraden is now a Light or Dark Adept]]
And may have been one for a while. Keeping hush on Arcanus makes me think of him as a bit of a MagnificentBastard, even if it wasn't that big a deal. He has the potential, I think. Remember how he got a couple of kids to break into a sacred, forbidden shrine?

[[WMG: The effect of the Golden Sun making the main characters age slower is only a cheap plug by Camelot to have Kraden in the game - for now at least]]
Think about it. From the nine main characters in the first two games (counting Kraden for that as well), you only get to see ''three'', two of them only at the beginning of the game (and they don't even need that slower aging effect to live after 30 years) and Kraden's portrait looks ''exactly'' like the one in the originals. And before you say "But he was 70 already", well, it only slows down the process of aging, it doesn't stop it.

Think about it. From the nine main characters in the first two games (counting Kraden for that as well), you only get to see ''three'', two of them only at the beginning of the game (and they don't even need that slower aging effect to live after 30 years) and Kraden's portrait looks ''exactly'' like the one in the originals. And before you say "But he was 70 already", well, it only slows down the process of aging, it doesn't stop it.

* Darkness Adepts are of the Umbra clan, which is Latin, so my vote is that light Adepts will be known as the Lumin clan. And since they started messing with light and dark only after messing with the elements, they might not have planet names. The closest I think you'd get is Sol for light Psynergy and Luna for dark Psynergy, with their clans known as Lumin and Umbra.

NeverFoundTheBody. Or at least, no one went to Tolbi after hearing that Babi died.