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12th May '17 10:23:00 AM SirenDrake
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** If she had known he was an evil man who didn't love Anna and who was going to try to kill her, she wouldn't have paused in her escape attempt to tell him "Just look after my sister." She simply had concerns about the hasty marriage proposal. She escaped from the dungeon because Weselton was trying to get her killed, Grandpabbie had convinced her that the mob would lynch her for being magical, and she thought that her very presence was a danger to her sister and to her people.




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** I like cake. That doesn't mean I'm going to marry a baker. Having a single interest or hobby in common is a supremely stupid reason to pair two people for life.




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*** Elsa has spent most of her life hiding in her room in her castle. She also lives in a time when pale skin was seen as a mark of wealth and refinement and beauty, because it was the peasants who were forced to work outdoors who were tanned. It's not surprising that Elsa would be paler than most women in her kingdom and even paler than her sister who probably delighted in playing outside in the courtyard.
10th May '17 12:21:10 AM BURGINABC
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*** See above.

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*** See above.
7th May '17 11:48:16 PM 55555
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[[WMG: Admiral Westergaard was Hans original name but he changed it to Hans Westergaard]]

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[[WMG: Admiral Westergaard was Hans original name but he changed it to Hans Westergaard]]
21st Apr '17 10:18:44 PM DuelMark
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[[WMG: Many aspects of the first film will be featured OnceMoreWithClarity]]
What's known about the sequel so far is that it "You understand things better in the first movie after you've seen the sequel." Questions, certain plot holes, characterization...
* The origin of Elsa's powers and how she can create snow life, along with revealing her depression to others.
* Why the Duke of Weselton is so against magic and why he was eager for Elsa to die. The book ''Across The Sea'' shows he has family, and he is in someway grateful when Elsa ends the heat wave, so he'd realize Elsa isn't a monster should he try to make amends.
* Hans' backstory, showing how abusive his brothers were and how neglectful and unfeeling his father is, possibly though his good brother Lars. This causes Elsa to have a slight MyGodWhatHaveIDone when she realizes she sent Hans to a FateWorseThanDeath. It's not enough to forgive him, but she realizes why he's such a messed up person and consider helping him reform. Should this happen, the sequel can add the popular theory on [[spoiler:Elsa knowing Hans was about to kill her]], admitting she felt she deserved her fate and that's why she didn't react until Anna stepped in. Should this happen, it will cause Hans to start his HeelRealization.
16th Apr '17 6:53:26 PM sanzuwu13
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\n* Or Iðunn (Elsa and Anna's mother, not the goddess) had affairs with both Loki ''and'' later Thor, with Anna being Thor's daughter, explaining her strength, and her tendencies in fighting style: bashing stuff with blunt objects (lute against wolves), throwing large items (burning blanket roll, also against wolves), and just plain punching (but doing so with enough force to send Hans in a graceful arc into the air and over the side of the boat).





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* When the movie [[IncrediblyLamePun came out]], Rogue ruined her chair by gripping the armrests too hard. Thor just bawled through the entire movie, then went to find Loki, hug him, and never let go.
14th Apr '17 10:22:32 PM DuelMark
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A noticeable trend in animation aimed at families recently. [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Seth Mac Farlane]] played a mouse in SING!, [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Trey Parker]] is playing a character in Despicable Me 3 and [[WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce Dave Willis]] uses the voice of Carl in Steven Universe. We might get one for fun.//
(For fun's sake, let's just imagine Justin Roiland reusing the voice of [[WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty Rick Sanchez]] (toned down for children of course) coming out of a sidekick character for Hans and he's playing a {{Foil}} to Olaf. As in smart but snarky, rude, disrespectful and makes jokes at others expense... so, Rick for a younger audience. Like how Uncle Andy was Carl for younger audiences.)

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A noticeable trend in animation aimed at families recently. [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Seth Mac Farlane]] played a mouse in SING!, [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Trey Parker]] is playing a character in Despicable Me 3 and [[WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce Dave Willis]] uses the voice of Carl in Steven Universe. We might get one for fun.//
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*(For
fun's sake, let's just imagine Justin Roiland reusing the voice of [[WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty Rick Sanchez]] (toned down for children of course) coming out of a sidekick character for Hans and he's playing a {{Foil}} to Olaf. As in smart but snarky, rude, disrespectful and makes jokes at others expense... so, Rick for a younger audience. Like how Uncle Andy was Carl for younger audiences.)
14th Apr '17 10:21:08 PM DuelMark
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14th Apr '17 10:20:16 PM DuelMark
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14th Apr '17 10:19:46 PM DuelMark
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Anna is pretty much an AffectionateParody of Disney Princesses. Her doomed romance with Hans showed the problems of FourthDateMarriage and LoveAtFirstSight, and she's certainly learned from it. In a sequel, another flaw in traditional Disney logic will be taken apart: BlackAndWhiteMorality. It can be said that Elsa was an exploration of this, but her morality was never ambiguous; the worst deliberate thing she did was cast off her responsibilities. Then there’s Hans, who has been confirmed as a TragicVillain. In a “Redemption of Hans storyline” Anna, in her innocence and heartbreak, will have a [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] case of BlackAndWhiteInsanity, and initially see Hans as a [[RonTheDeathEater heartless monster beyond hope]]. Her [[AnAesop personal lesson]] will be existence of [[BlackAndGrayMorality grey]] [[GreyAndGrayMorality morality]], and that people are never just one thing.

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Anna is pretty much an AffectionateParody of Disney Princesses. Her doomed romance with Hans showed the problems of FourthDateMarriage and LoveAtFirstSight, and she's certainly learned from it. In a sequel, another flaw in traditional Disney logic will be taken apart: BlackAndWhiteMorality. It can be said that Elsa was an exploration of this, but her morality was never ambiguous; the worst deliberate thing she did was cast off her responsibilities. Then there’s there’s Hans, who has been confirmed as a TragicVillain. In a “Redemption of Hans storyline” Anna, in her innocence and heartbreak, will have a [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] case of BlackAndWhiteInsanity, and initially see Hans as a [[RonTheDeathEater heartless monster beyond hope]]. Her [[AnAesop personal lesson]] will be existence of [[BlackAndGrayMorality grey]] [[GreyAndGrayMorality morality]], and that people are never just one thing.


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[[WMG:A voice actor from an adult cartoon will lend their voice to a character]]
A noticeable trend in animation aimed at families recently. [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Seth Mac Farlane]] played a mouse in SING!, [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Trey Parker]] is playing a character in Despicable Me 3 and [[WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce Dave Willis]] uses the voice of Carl in Steven Universe. We might get one for fun.//
(For fun's sake, let's just imagine Justin Roiland reusing the voice of [[WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty Rick Sanchez]] (toned down for children of course) coming out of a sidekick character for Hans and he's playing a {{Foil}} to Olaf. As in smart but snarky, rude, disrespectful and makes jokes at others expense... so, Rick for a younger audience. Like how Uncle Andy was Carl for younger audiences.)
8th Apr '17 1:47:49 PM nombretomado
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** Elsa is a gay icon because IdinaMenzel originated [[{{RENT}} one famous bisexual/lesbian role]], and [[{{Theatre/Wicked}} her second role]] had tons of LesYay and takes place [[Film/TheWizardOfOz in Oz,]] which has a huge LGBT following.

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** Elsa is a gay icon because IdinaMenzel originated [[{{RENT}} [[Theatre/{{RENT}} one famous bisexual/lesbian role]], and [[{{Theatre/Wicked}} her second role]] had tons of LesYay and takes place [[Film/TheWizardOfOz in Oz,]] which has a huge LGBT following.
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