History WMG / Frozen

17th Nov '17 7:13:47 PM DuelMark
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[[WMG: Elsa's depression will finally be addressed and it's an unlikely source who helps her]]
As we've seen in all post-film media, Elsa hasn't completely gotten over her depression, she still suffers from fear, doubt and regret. Seeing how Hans himself seems to have an extreme case of it, he might actually be someone who helps her if he starts a HeelFaceTurn. He could tell her about how she makes the same mistake he's been making his whole life, namely obsessing so much on bad things that it ruins any chance of something good happening. The main difference is that she has more than one person in her life who can help her and that their help isn't limited like it was for him and Lars. If she shows regret for her actions, he'd defend her. One example that's been discussed, seeing first hand the kind of evil man the King of the Southern Isles is, but Hans assures her that it was his own fault for letting fear and obsession get the better of him and she had no way of knowing what his father is like. This event would not only help Elsa learn to "let it go" but also pave way to forgiving Hans.
17th Nov '17 6:25:15 AM Njein
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Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Sven and Olaf will go to the capital city, which looks like Copenhagen meets Paris, Rome, New York, London or Berlin in the 19th century. Just imagine these [[CountryMouse country kids]]' reaction to a huge, bustling metropolis! They would be impressed at the architecture and be awed by how the Southern Isles is far more prosperous and technologically advanced than either Arendelle or all the kingdoms they've visited so far (including those mentioned in the novelization or the ''Literature/AnnaAndElsa'' books), and [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil be baffled]] as to why Hans would want to seize control of another kingdom when his homeland is so wealthy and luxurious. They'll think that Hans' people and family are [[StepfordSmiler warm and friendly]], despite what Hans did, combined with the Southern Islanders wanting to show that they're not like the idiot who sullied their kingdom's name. While visiting the Isles, they'd be impressed by his BigFancyCastle, as from a distance, it looked like a black sea serpent that somehow manages to flourish in the harsh environment (although they would feel a bit scared by its structure and compare it to their BrightCastle or Elsa's IcePalace). And as far as Hans' family is concerned, they'll put up a good appearance to show that they're not like Hans (although Elsa and co. would feel a bit nervous of his father's intimidating appearance). Perhaps Anna might take an interest in one of Hans' 12 older brothers, leading to Kristoff feel a bit jealous about this.

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Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Sven and Olaf will go to the capital city, which looks like Copenhagen meets Paris, Rome, New York, London or Berlin in the 19th century. Just imagine these [[CountryMouse country kids]]' reaction to a huge, bustling metropolis! They would be impressed at the architecture and be awed by how the Southern Isles is far more prosperous and technologically advanced than either Arendelle or all the kingdoms they've visited so far (including those mentioned in the novelization or the ''Literature/AnnaAndElsa'' books), and [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil be baffled]] as to why Hans would want to seize control of another kingdom when his homeland is so wealthy and luxurious. They'll think that Hans' people and family are [[StepfordSmiler warm and friendly]], despite what Hans did, combined with the Southern Islanders wanting to show that they're not like the idiot who sullied their kingdom's name. While visiting the Isles, they'd be impressed by his BigFancyCastle, as from a distance, it looked like a black sea serpent that somehow manages to flourish in the harsh environment (although they would feel a bit scared by its structure and compare it to their BrightCastle or Elsa's IcePalace). And as far as Hans' family is concerned, they'll put up a good appearance to show that they're not like Hans (although Elsa and co. would feel a bit nervous of his father's intimidating appearance). Perhaps Anna might take an interest in one of Hans' 12 older brothers, leading to Kristoff to feel a bit jealous about this.



As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy aka Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily. It's possible that Hans' father might be the BigBad of the sequel, as he might try to prevent the heroes from getting said MacGuffin in their hands. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]]. The gang also realizes that the "ruler with a frozen heart" mentioned earlier by Pabbie is not Hans, but actually his father, who has a heart that's way too rotten and hollow to the core. He hid this magical MacGuffin from outsiders, and becomes desperate to prevent anybody, including the Arendellers or Hans from taking it, and so, he corners the heroes, but a large battle ensues and the king is overthrown and either [[DisneyVillainDeath falls to his death]] or is incapacitated, leading to a vacancy. Caleb will either be too terrified to take the throne after what's occurred or wants nothing to do with being king after seeing it's more work than he thought, as will most of Hans' brothers. Hans will actually be given the crown, but immediately realizes he never truly wanted to be a king. He suggests Lars be the new ruler, who admits he never wanted the throne, which is why Hans thinks he'd make a better leader than their father.

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As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy aka Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily. It's possible that Hans' father might be the BigBad of the sequel, as he might try to prevent the heroes from getting said MacGuffin in their hands. hands, since it's the only thing that's keeping him in power. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]].family]]. The gang also realizes that the "ruler with a frozen heart" mentioned earlier by Pabbie is not Hans, but actually his father, who has a heart that's way too rotten and hollow to the core. He hid this magical MacGuffin from outsiders, and [[VillainousBreakdown becomes desperate to prevent anybody, including the Arendellers or Hans from taking it, and so, he corners the heroes, heroes]], but a large battle ensues and the king is overthrown and either [[DisneyVillainDeath falls to his death]] or is incapacitated, leading to a vacancy. Caleb will either be too terrified to take the throne after what's occurred or wants nothing to do with being king after seeing it's more work than he thought, as will most of Hans' brothers. Hans will actually be given the crown, but immediately realizes he never truly wanted to be a king. He suggests Lars be the new ruler, who admits he never wanted the throne, which is why Hans thinks he'd make he's a better leader than their father.



* Furthermore, with what's happened since ''Frozen'', and considering the above theory that the King isn't of pure royal descent, he might have cheated his way to the top and maybe go so far as to kill his wife because [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness she's not useful to him anymore]]. And if he does cross the MoralEventHorizon, it truly shows the Hans' father is [[TheSociopath a profoundly remorseless and evil man]] who only cared for himself and will abuse and manipulate anyone to stay on top, even showing a total willingness to ruthlessly rub out any real or perceived threats to his power, including Elsa, Anna, [[OffingTheOffspring or even his own sons]]. As for Hans, he will begin to see his father on a BrokenPedestal, [[HeelRealization beginning to question]] [[WasItReallyWorthIt if all the time he spent appeasing to him was really worth the effort]]. Also, this would also leave a bad impression on Elsa and the gang, showing that anybody can have the terrible potential to become a cold-blooded killer like Hans' father. If King Westergaard can kill his wife, who's to say if he would [[OffingTheOffspring assassinate any of his sons, particularly Hans]], to stay in power?

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* Furthermore, with what's happened since ''Frozen'', and considering the above theory that the King isn't of pure royal descent, he might have cheated his way to the top and maybe go so far as to kill his wife because [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness she's not useful to him anymore]]. And if he does cross the MoralEventHorizon, it truly shows the Hans' father is [[TheSociopath a profoundly remorseless and evil man]] who only cared for himself and will abuse and manipulate anyone to stay on top, even showing a total willingness to ruthlessly rub out any real or perceived threats to his power, including Elsa, Anna, [[OffingTheOffspring or even his own sons]]. As for Hans, he will begin to see his father on a BrokenPedestal, [[HeelRealization beginning to question]] [[WasItReallyWorthIt if all the time he spent appeasing to him was really worth the effort]]. Also, this would also leave a bad impression on Elsa and the gang, showing that anybody can have the terrible potential to become a cold-blooded killer like Hans' father. If King Westergaard can kill his wife, who's to say if he would [[OffingTheOffspring assassinate any of his sons, particularly Hans]], to stay in power?



* A scene in the sequel shows Elsa, Anna, Olaf, and Kristoff talking about the Southern Isles and its king: while it may be far more powerful, technologically advanced and wealthier than Arendelle, the only thing lacking there is friendship and compassion, as it's a dystopia with everything being shallow, barren, and cold. Its people are {{Stepford Smiler}}s, but its ruler is a violent man [[EvilCannotComprehendGood who doesn't understand empathy.]] His wrath knowing no bounds, King Westergaard only cared for himself and is "frozen-hearted". Concepts such as mercy, love or loyalty doesn't register in his head, as he often expressed his distaste for such virtues.

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* A scene in the sequel shows Elsa, Anna, Olaf, and Kristoff talking about the Southern Isles and its king: Isles: while it may be far more powerful, technologically advanced and wealthier than Arendelle, the only thing lacking there is friendship and compassion, as it's a dystopia with everything being shallow, barren, and cold. Its people are {{Stepford Smiler}}s, but its ruler is a violent man [[EvilCannotComprehendGood who doesn't understand empathy.]] His wrath knowing no bounds, King Westergaard only cared for himself and is "frozen-hearted". Concepts such as mercy, love or loyalty doesn't don't register in his head, as he often expressed his distaste for such virtues.
16th Nov '17 6:42:37 AM Njein
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As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy aka Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily. It's possible that Hans' father might be the BigBad of the sequel, as he might try to prevent the heroes from getting said MacGuffin in their hands. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]]. The gang also realizes that the "ruler with a frozen heart" mentioned earlier by Pabbie is not Hans, but actually his father, who has a heart that's way too rotten and hollow to the core. He hid this magical MacGuffin from outsiders, and becomes desperate to prevent anybody, including the Arendellers or Hans from taking it, and so, he corners the heroes from taking it, but a large battle ensues and the king is overthrown and [[DisneyVillainDeath falls to his death]], leading to a vacancy. Caleb will either be too terrified to take the throne after what's occurred or wants nothing to do with being king after seeing it's more work than he thought, as will most of Hans' brothers. Hans will actually be given the crown, but immediately realizes he never truly wanted to be a king. He suggests Lars be the new ruler, who admits he never wanted the throne, which is why Hans thinks he'd make a better leader than their father.

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As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy aka Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily. It's possible that Hans' father might be the BigBad of the sequel, as he might try to prevent the heroes from getting said MacGuffin in their hands. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]]. The gang also realizes that the "ruler with a frozen heart" mentioned earlier by Pabbie is not Hans, but actually his father, who has a heart that's way too rotten and hollow to the core. He hid this magical MacGuffin from outsiders, and becomes desperate to prevent anybody, including the Arendellers or Hans from taking it, and so, he corners the heroes from taking it, heroes, but a large battle ensues and the king is overthrown and either [[DisneyVillainDeath falls to his death]], death]] or is incapacitated, leading to a vacancy. Caleb will either be too terrified to take the throne after what's occurred or wants nothing to do with being king after seeing it's more work than he thought, as will most of Hans' brothers. Hans will actually be given the crown, but immediately realizes he never truly wanted to be a king. He suggests Lars be the new ruler, who admits he never wanted the throne, which is why Hans thinks he'd make a better leader than their father.
16th Nov '17 6:35:06 AM Njein
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Let's say something bad happens in Arendelle, and the gang seeks out Grand Pabbie's advice. Pabbie tells them to seek out a MacGuffin, but warns them that it can only be found in Southern Isles. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Olaf will initially groan about this, remembering how a certain prince had tried to steal their throne earlier. But then, it becomes a new and exciting adventure for them, since they'll get to see the wealthiest but most mysterious of their trading partners, alongside learning more about the man who tried to seize their kingdom and his 12 older brothers.

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Let's say something bad happens in Arendelle, and the gang seeks out Grand Pabbie's advice. Pabbie tells them to seek out a MacGuffin, but warns them that it can only be found in the Southern Isles. Isles and that a "ruler with a frozen heart" will try to stop them. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Olaf will initially groan about this, remembering how a certain prince had tried to steal their throne earlier.earlier and automatically assume he's the "frozen-hearted ruler". But then, it becomes a new and exciting adventure for them, since they'll get to see the wealthiest but most mysterious of their trading partners, alongside learning more about the man who tried to seize their kingdom and his 12 older brothers.



As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy aka Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily. It's possible that Hans' father might be the BigBad of the sequel, as he might try to prevent the heroes from getting said MacGuffin in their hands. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]].

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As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy aka Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily. It's possible that Hans' father might be the BigBad of the sequel, as he might try to prevent the heroes from getting said MacGuffin in their hands. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]]. The gang also realizes that the "ruler with a frozen heart" mentioned earlier by Pabbie is not Hans, but actually his father, who has a heart that's way too rotten and hollow to the core. He hid this magical MacGuffin from outsiders, and becomes desperate to prevent anybody, including the Arendellers or Hans from taking it, and so, he corners the heroes from taking it, but a large battle ensues and the king is overthrown and [[DisneyVillainDeath falls to his death]], leading to a vacancy. Caleb will either be too terrified to take the throne after what's occurred or wants nothing to do with being king after seeing it's more work than he thought, as will most of Hans' brothers. Hans will actually be given the crown, but immediately realizes he never truly wanted to be a king. He suggests Lars be the new ruler, who admits he never wanted the throne, which is why Hans thinks he'd make a better leader than their father.



* The end of the sequel shows Elsa, Anna, Olaf, and Kristoff talking about the Southern Isles and its king: while it may be far more powerful, technologically advanced and wealthier than Arendelle, the only thing lacking there is friendship and compassion, as it's a dystopia with everything being shallow, barren, and cold. Its people are {{Stepford Smiler}}s, but its ruler is a violent man [[EvilCannotComprehendGood who doesn't understand empathy.]] His wrath knowing no bounds, King Westergaard only cared for himself and is "frozen-hearted". Concepts such as mercy, love or loyalty doesn't register in his head, as he often expressed his distaste for such virtues.

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* The end of A scene in the sequel shows Elsa, Anna, Olaf, and Kristoff talking about the Southern Isles and its king: while it may be far more powerful, technologically advanced and wealthier than Arendelle, the only thing lacking there is friendship and compassion, as it's a dystopia with everything being shallow, barren, and cold. Its people are {{Stepford Smiler}}s, but its ruler is a violent man [[EvilCannotComprehendGood who doesn't understand empathy.]] His wrath knowing no bounds, King Westergaard only cared for himself and is "frozen-hearted". Concepts such as mercy, love or loyalty doesn't register in his head, as he often expressed his distaste for such virtues.
15th Nov '17 1:45:53 PM Njein
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As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy/Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily alongside the sequel's main antagonist. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]].

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As they visit the kingdom, they slowly realize [[EmpirewithADarkSecret not all is as it seems]] as the Isles has a really grimy secret -- it's actually a military dictatorship. [[{{Unperson}} Perhaps people that they saw earlier mysteriously vanish in the middle of the night]], while the gang later finds out that they're banned from entering certain areas of the kingdom or castle, [[ParanoiaFuel which houses both corpses and prisoners]]. Once they witness the true nature of the regime and realize that Hans' father is actually an extremely stone-cold, violent and unfeeling man who rules in a cruel and draconian manner [[ParanoiaFuel as a brutal authoritarian and tyrannical dictator]], and be really shocked and horrified at how he lets his sons use DisproportionateRetribution to torture their subjects, besides being outright neglectful towards his youngest son. Alternately, the crew could be disgusted at a scene where Hans' brothers viciously abuse and beat up prisoners, including their youngest brother, or witness a scenario where Hans is abused and treated like a slave. Serious drama could occur if Elsa and the gang give the king and his sons a KirkSummation for running an exceptionally repressive, autocratic and totalitarian PoliceState, leading to Hans' father exploding in anger and having them imprisoned by condemning them to death, which forces them to do an EnemyMine with Hans in order to take down the Southern Isles monarchy/Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily alongside monarchy aka Hans's BigScrewedUpFamily. It's possible that Hans' father might be the sequel's main antagonist. BigBad of the sequel, as he might try to prevent the heroes from getting said MacGuffin in their hands. If Hans is revealed to have a high rank within the Southern Isles armed forces, he could assist the crew by [[TheDogBitesBack starting a mutiny to get revenge on his abusive father and siblings]].siblings]].
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15th Nov '17 10:28:44 AM Njein
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Let's say something bad happens in Arendelle, and the gang seeks out Grand Pabbie's advice. Pabbie tells them to seek out a MacGuffin, but tells them that it can only be found in Southern Isles. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Olaf will initially groan about this, remembering how a certain prince had tried to steal their throne earlier. But then, it becomes a new and exciting adventure for them, since they'll get to see the wealthiest but most mysterious of their trading partners, alongside learning more about the prince who tried to seize their kingdom and his 12 older brothers.

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Let's say something bad happens in Arendelle, and the gang seeks out Grand Pabbie's advice. Pabbie tells them to seek out a MacGuffin, but tells warns them that it can only be found in Southern Isles. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Olaf will initially groan about this, remembering how a certain prince had tried to steal their throne earlier. But then, it becomes a new and exciting adventure for them, since they'll get to see the wealthiest but most mysterious of their trading partners, alongside learning more about the prince man who tried to seize their kingdom and his 12 older brothers.



Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Sven and Olaf will go to the capital city, which looks like Copenhagen meets Paris, Rome, New York, London or Berlin in the 19th century. Just imagine these [[CountryMouse country kids]]' reaction to a huge, bustling metropolis! They would be impressed at the architecture and be awed by how the Southern Isles is far more prosperous and technologically advanced than either Arendelle or all the kingdoms they've visited so far (including those mentioned in the novelization or the ''Literature/AnnaAndElsa'' books), and [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil be baffled]] as to why Hans would want to seize control of another kingdom when his homeland is so wealthy and luxurious. They'll think that Hans' people and family are [[StepfordSmiler warm and friendly]], despite what Hans did, combined with the Southern Islanders wanting to show that they're not like the idiot who sullied their kingdom's name. While visiting the Isles, they'd be impressed by his BigFancyCastle, as from a distance, it looked like a black sea serpent that somehow manages to flourish in the harsh environment (although they would feel a bit scared by its structure and compare it to their BrightCastle or Elsa's IcePalace). And as far as Hans' family is concerned, they'll put up a good appearance to show that they're not like Hans (although Elsa and co. would feel a bit nervous of his father's intimidating appearance).

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Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Sven and Olaf will go to the capital city, which looks like Copenhagen meets Paris, Rome, New York, London or Berlin in the 19th century. Just imagine these [[CountryMouse country kids]]' reaction to a huge, bustling metropolis! They would be impressed at the architecture and be awed by how the Southern Isles is far more prosperous and technologically advanced than either Arendelle or all the kingdoms they've visited so far (including those mentioned in the novelization or the ''Literature/AnnaAndElsa'' books), and [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil be baffled]] as to why Hans would want to seize control of another kingdom when his homeland is so wealthy and luxurious. They'll think that Hans' people and family are [[StepfordSmiler warm and friendly]], despite what Hans did, combined with the Southern Islanders wanting to show that they're not like the idiot who sullied their kingdom's name. While visiting the Isles, they'd be impressed by his BigFancyCastle, as from a distance, it looked like a black sea serpent that somehow manages to flourish in the harsh environment (although they would feel a bit scared by its structure and compare it to their BrightCastle or Elsa's IcePalace). And as far as Hans' family is concerned, they'll put up a good appearance to show that they're not like Hans (although Elsa and co. would feel a bit nervous of his father's intimidating appearance). Perhaps Anna might take an interest in one of Hans' 12 older brothers, leading to Kristoff feel a bit jealous about this.
15th Nov '17 10:19:04 AM Njein
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Specifically, Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Sven and Olaf will go to the capital city, which looks like Copenhagen meets Paris, Rome, New York, London or Berlin in the 19th century. Just imagine these [[CountryMouse country kids]]' reaction to a huge, bustling metropolis! They would be impressed at the architecture and be awed by how the Southern Isles is far more prosperous and technologically advanced than either Arendelle or all the kingdoms they've visited so far (including those mentioned in the novelization or the ''Literature/AnnaAndElsa'' books), and [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil be baffled]] as to why Hans would want to seize control of another kingdom when his homeland is so wealthy and luxurious. They'll think that Hans' people and family are [[StepfordSmiler warm and friendly]], despite what Hans did, combined with the Southern Islanders wanting to show that they're not like the idiot who sullied their kingdom's name. While visiting the Isles, they'd be impressed by his BigFancyCastle, as from a distance, it looked like a black sea serpent that somehow manages to flourish in the harsh environment (although they would feel a bit scared by its structure and compare it to their BrightCastle or Elsa's IcePalace). And as far as Hans' family is concerned, they'll put up a good appearance to show that they're not like Hans (although Elsa and co. would feel a bit nervous of his father's intimidating appearance).

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Specifically, Let's say something bad happens in Arendelle, and the gang seeks out Grand Pabbie's advice. Pabbie tells them to seek out a MacGuffin, but tells them that it can only be found in Southern Isles. Elsa, Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Sven Kristoff and Olaf will go to the capital city, which looks like Copenhagen meets Paris, Rome, New York, London or Berlin in the 19th century. Just imagine these [[CountryMouse country kids]]' reaction to a huge, bustling metropolis! They would be impressed at the architecture and be awed by initially groan about this, remembering how the Southern Isles is far more prosperous and technologically advanced than either Arendelle or all the kingdoms they've visited so far (including those mentioned in the novelization or the ''Literature/AnnaAndElsa'' books), and [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil be baffled]] as a certain prince had tried to why Hans would want to seize control of another kingdom when his homeland is so wealthy and luxurious. They'll think that Hans' people and family are [[StepfordSmiler warm and friendly]], despite what Hans did, combined with the Southern Islanders wanting to show that they're not like the idiot who sullied steal their kingdom's name. While visiting the Isles, they'd be impressed by his BigFancyCastle, as from a distance, throne earlier. But then, it looked like becomes a black sea serpent that somehow manages to flourish in the harsh environment (although they would feel a bit scared by its structure new and compare it to their BrightCastle or Elsa's IcePalace). And as far as Hans' family is concerned, exciting adventure for them, since they'll put up a good appearance get to show that they're not like Hans (although Elsa see the wealthiest but most mysterious of their trading partners, alongside learning more about the prince who tried to seize their kingdom and co. would feel a bit nervous of his father's intimidating appearance).12 older brothers.


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Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Sven and Olaf will go to the capital city, which looks like Copenhagen meets Paris, Rome, New York, London or Berlin in the 19th century. Just imagine these [[CountryMouse country kids]]' reaction to a huge, bustling metropolis! They would be impressed at the architecture and be awed by how the Southern Isles is far more prosperous and technologically advanced than either Arendelle or all the kingdoms they've visited so far (including those mentioned in the novelization or the ''Literature/AnnaAndElsa'' books), and [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil be baffled]] as to why Hans would want to seize control of another kingdom when his homeland is so wealthy and luxurious. They'll think that Hans' people and family are [[StepfordSmiler warm and friendly]], despite what Hans did, combined with the Southern Islanders wanting to show that they're not like the idiot who sullied their kingdom's name. While visiting the Isles, they'd be impressed by his BigFancyCastle, as from a distance, it looked like a black sea serpent that somehow manages to flourish in the harsh environment (although they would feel a bit scared by its structure and compare it to their BrightCastle or Elsa's IcePalace). And as far as Hans' family is concerned, they'll put up a good appearance to show that they're not like Hans (although Elsa and co. would feel a bit nervous of his father's intimidating appearance).
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13th Nov '17 6:46:17 PM Njein
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Considering what little we know of him in ''A Frozen Heart'' and the fact that he was the GreaterScopeVillain of ''Frozen'', if Hans does return, his father will play a more direct role than in the first movie, as the abuse Hans gets is similar to how [[ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} Darkseid abuses his son Kalibak]] or how [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Fire Lord Ozai treats his son Prince Zuko]]. After realizing that King Westergaard is an extremely violent and tyrannical man who reacts violently against any criticism levied on him, Olaf, Anna, Elsa and Kristoff will be utterly disgusted with how he cruelly treats people and that he chose to condemn Hans to hard labor not for attempted murder, but for disgracing the Westergaard name. Horrified and shocked by the remorseless sadism they witnessed in his father, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone they start to question if sending Hans home was a good idea]]. Furthermore, with what's happened since ''Frozen'', and considering the above theory that the King is not of royal lineage, he might have [[SocialClimber cheated and killed his way to the top]] and maybe go so far as to kill the Queen because she's not useful anymore. Thus, he'd be a ContrastingSequelAntagonist compared to his son, being what Hans almost became. And if he does [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line by killing his own wife]], he will be seen as a BrokenPedestal, with [[HeelRealization Hans not only wondering]] [[WasItReallyWorthIt if all the time he spent appeasing to his father was really worth the effort]], but also getting the harsh realization that his dad is a [[TheSociopath totally sociopathic monster]] [[ItsAllAboutMe who cares only for himself]] and will do anything to stay on top, even showing a total willingness to ruthlessly rub out any real or perceived threats to his power, including Elsa, Anna, [[OffingTheOffspring or even his own sons]].

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Considering what little we know of him in ''A Frozen Heart'' and the fact that he was the GreaterScopeVillain of ''Frozen'', if Hans does return, his father will play a more direct role than in the first movie, as the abuse Hans gets is similar to how [[ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} Darkseid abuses his son Kalibak]] or how [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Fire Lord Ozai treats his son Prince Zuko]]. After realizing that King Westergaard is an extremely violent and tyrannical man who reacts violently against any criticism levied on him, Olaf, Anna, Elsa and Kristoff will be utterly disgusted with how he cruelly treats people and that he chose to condemn Hans to hard labor not for attempted murder, but for disgracing the Westergaard name. Horrified and shocked by the remorseless sadism they witnessed in his father, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone they start to question if sending Hans home was a good idea]]. Furthermore, with what's happened since ''Frozen'', and considering the above theory that the King is not of royal lineage, he might have [[SocialClimber cheated and killed his way to the top]] and maybe go so far as to kill the Queen because she's not useful anymore. Thus, he'd be a ContrastingSequelAntagonist compared to his son, being what Hans almost became. And if he does [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line by killing his own wife]], he will be seen as a BrokenPedestal, with [[HeelRealization Hans not only wondering]] [[WasItReallyWorthIt if all the time he spent appeasing to his father was really worth the effort]], but also getting the harsh realization that his dad is a [[TheSociopath totally sociopathic and remorseless monster]] [[ItsAllAboutMe who cares only for himself]] and will do anything to stay on top, even showing a total willingness to ruthlessly rub out any real or perceived threats to his power, including Elsa, Anna, [[OffingTheOffspring or even his own sons]].
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