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* This is actually pretty plausible. Think about it:
** A recurring [[RiddleForTheAges mystery]] regarding FFI is how the time-loop started in the first place. In ''[[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy the Dissidia 012 reports]], Garland even muses that someone other than him had to have pulled him into the past to start the loop in the first place.
** Chronodia introduces itself as a [[TimeMaster Lord of Time]] and calls itself the "flow of time itself" upon being defeated.
** Chronodia has clearly absorbed the fiends and possibly Chaos/Garland itself.
** Chronodia tricks people into its labyrinth, looking for strong warriors to absorb.
* Thus, Chronodia sent Garland into the past, either after the fiends were formed and sent the crystal's power to him or as he was dying, allowing him to create the fiends in the past. Garland took over the loop from there and, given the implication that the loop doesn't play out entirely the same each time, it derives power from the rejected loops. And because the Warriors of Light can only confront it in one version of the game (along with being [[EldritchAbomination the flow of time itself]]), it will [[KarmaHoudini almost always get away with it]]. [[spoiler: Of course, all of this is ignoring ''VideoGame/StrangerOfParadiseFinalFantasyOrigin''.]]
** A recurring [[RiddleForTheAges mystery]] regarding FFI is how the time-loop started in the first place. In ''[[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy the Dissidia 012 reports]], Garland even muses that someone other than him had to have pulled him into the past to start the loop in the first place.
** Chronodia introduces itself as a [[TimeMaster Lord of Time]] and calls itself the "flow of time itself" upon being defeated.
** Chronodia has clearly absorbed the fiends and possibly Chaos/Garland itself.
** Chronodia tricks people into its labyrinth, looking for strong warriors to absorb.
* Thus, Chronodia sent Garland into the past, either after the fiends were formed and sent the crystal's power to him or as he was dying, allowing him to create the fiends in the past. Garland took over the loop from there and, given the implication that the loop doesn't play out entirely the same each time, it derives power from the rejected loops. And because the Warriors of Light can only confront it in one version of the game (along with being [[EldritchAbomination the flow of time itself]]), it will [[KarmaHoudini almost always get away with it]]. [[spoiler: Of course, all of this is ignoring ''VideoGame/StrangerOfParadiseFinalFantasyOrigin''.]]
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** The ''Memory of Heroes'' novel (where the name "Zest"/"Setro" comes from) portrays Cid as looking totally different from the Warrior. Then again, we don't know if that novel's canon...
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"Indeed. The princess had been sprited away and I pledged my sword to her rescue. However what awaited us..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDPryCklWXA
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** No it didn't, NT even has the Warrior of Light/Zest/Setro reference the other three in dialogue with Cecil and Noctis. As for the WMG, the official novel indeed has this line up as the party. So I'd argue confirmed.
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They're actually networks of warps to other worlds, which would explain why you come across towns, overworld maps, and other places that logically shouldn't be well underground.
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They're actually networks of warps to other worlds, which would explain why you come across towns, overworld maps, and other places that logically shouldn't be well underground.
underground, and also why the floors are ordered differently every time you enter each of these dungeons.
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I mean, they already did it with WarhammerFantasy, so how hard could it be? Here's the breakdown of who's who:
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I mean, they already did it with WarhammerFantasy, TabletopGame/WarhammerFantasy, so how hard could it be? Here's the breakdown of who's who:
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[[WMG:Matoya is an incarnation of [[PlanescapeTorment Ravel Puzzlewell]].]]
Both of them are insane, blind, elderly witches who you encounter inside of their hideout, and all of these basic characteristics are found among the other incarnations of Ravel that we see in ''PlanescapeTorment''. As stated by WordOfGod, Ravel's existence spreads through the planes like branches of a tree. Since all universes are intertwined and exist as planes within the ''{{Planescape}}'' setting, the world of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyI'' would be just as likely as any other plane to host one of her incarnations.
Both of them are insane, blind, elderly witches who you encounter inside of their hideout, and all of these basic characteristics are found among the other incarnations of Ravel that we see in ''PlanescapeTorment''. As stated by WordOfGod, Ravel's existence spreads through the planes like branches of a tree. Since all universes are intertwined and exist as planes within the ''{{Planescape}}'' setting, the world of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyI'' would be just as likely as any other plane to host one of her incarnations.
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[[WMG:Matoya is an incarnation of [[PlanescapeTorment [[VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment Ravel Puzzlewell]].]]
Both of them are insane, blind, elderly witches who you encounter inside of their hideout, and all of these basic characteristics are found among the other incarnations of Ravel that we see in''PlanescapeTorment''.''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment''. As stated by WordOfGod, Ravel's existence spreads through the planes like branches of a tree. Since all universes are intertwined and exist as planes within the ''{{Planescape}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' setting, the world of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyI'' would be just as likely as any other plane to host one of her incarnations.
Both of them are insane, blind, elderly witches who you encounter inside of their hideout, and all of these basic characteristics are found among the other incarnations of Ravel that we see in
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[[WMG: Chronodia is an embodiment of the cycle]]
While Garland and the Fiends claim it has given them ultimate power, it's still constrained their very existence to a specific 2,000 year period. As they warped time itself to their liking, the power they gained manifests as a creature all its own, a creature beyond time itself. Determined to keep them locked in the loop to feed herself, she lures in anyone who could interrupt the cycle by killing the fiends or making them aware of their reality; That they are prisoners, and she is their prison.
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Has nothing to do with familiarity with in-universe fiction.
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He was GenreSavvy enough to have known Chaos would lose, stole power from the other four Fiends (the crystals that aid him in [=SMRPG=]), and escaped.
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He was GenreSavvy savvy enough to have known Chaos would lose, stole power from the other four Fiends (the crystals that aid him in [=SMRPG=]), and escaped.
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They're actually warps to other worlds, which would explain why you come across towns, overworld maps, and other places that logically shouldn't be well underground.
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[[WMG: The Dawn of Souls dungeons aren't actually part of the world geography...]]
They're actually warps to other worlds, which would explain why you come across towns, overworld maps, and other places that logically shouldn't be well underground.
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[[WMG: In future remakes, the Elfheim tombstone will be changed to read "Here lies [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} Narukami]]."]]
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* That sounds an awful lot like [[DissidiaFinalFantasy Shade Impulse]], actually.
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* That sounds an awful lot like [[DissidiaFinalFantasy [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy Shade Impulse]], actually.
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[[WMG: The reason for why the game's time loop ends is because it inadvertently allowed our heroes to grind more]]
Chaos's loop failed because he created stronger versions of his four Fiends, making the Light Warrior's journey harder, meaning he had to make himself and his four fiends stronger for the next cycle to compensate. What he didn't expect was that the light warriors became stronger much more exponentially than he could- being so easily bested by them at their weakest, he only stood a chance with 2000 years of training, and his time loop forced them to fight increasingly tougher iterations of the Fiends. The XP they gained from a gauntlet of stronger opponents let them bridge that 2000 year gap with ease, or forced them to focus on more prepwork than the earlier times he killed them unprepared. It's a bit like a programming loop- While ( Light Warriors < Chaos) - them becoming stronger than him ends his loop.
Chaos's loop failed because he created stronger versions of his four Fiends, making the Light Warrior's journey harder, meaning he had to make himself and his four fiends stronger for the next cycle to compensate. What he didn't expect was that the light warriors became stronger much more exponentially than he could- being so easily bested by them at their weakest, he only stood a chance with 2000 years of training, and his time loop forced them to fight increasingly tougher iterations of the Fiends. The XP they gained from a gauntlet of stronger opponents let them bridge that 2000 year gap with ease, or forced them to focus on more prepwork than the earlier times he killed them unprepared. It's a bit like a programming loop- While ( Light Warriors < Chaos) - them becoming stronger than him ends his loop.
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[[WMG: The dungeons in Dawn of Souls (and the Labyrinth of Time) exist within the [[FinalFantasyV The Rift]], which is why they don't follow the natural laws of physics]]
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[[WMG: The dungeons in Dawn of Souls (and the Labyrinth of Time) exist within the [[FinalFantasyV [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyV The Rift]], which is why they don't follow the natural laws of physics]]
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* An [[WordOfGod offical novel]] says the [=WoL=]'s name is Zest, make of that what you will.
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* An [[WordOfGod offical official novel]] says the [=WoL=]'s name is Zest, make of that what you will.
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Who returned to his homeworld after Dissidia 012 to find it under threat from Chronodia and led the only people capable of stopping it to it's lair.
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Who returned to his homeworld after Dissidia 012 to find it under threat from Chronodia and led the only people capable of stopping it to it's lair. lair.
[[WMG: The dungeons in Dawn of Souls (and the Labyrinth of Time) exist within the [[FinalFantasyV The Rift]], which is why they don't follow the natural laws of physics]]
Explaining why an underground cave would be an EldritchLocation. Furthermore, it would explain the appearances of other Final Fantasy characters (such as Gilgamesh).
[[WMG: The dungeons in Dawn of Souls (and the Labyrinth of Time) exist within the [[FinalFantasyV The Rift]], which is why they don't follow the natural laws of physics]]
Explaining why an underground cave would be an EldritchLocation. Furthermore, it would explain the appearances of other Final Fantasy characters (such as Gilgamesh).
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* Could be they built the [=WarMECH=] to fight Tiamat.
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* The Lufenian civilization wasn't nasty, an evil empire, that was the ''Onracian'' civilization. Cid of the Lufaine was ''hired'' by the state of Onrac to build them weapons in there wars against other countries. Though Astos may still be around.
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*** Alternatively, they're Astos and the Vampire.
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* The Kracken is Nurgle, because a it's big and disgusting looking EldritchAbomination.
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* The Kracken is Nurgle, because a it's a big and disgusting looking EldritchAbomination.
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[[WMG: Garland is the fifth light warrior]]
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[[WMG: Chronodia started the time loop]]
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* Only problem with that theory is that Garland is ''not'' the son of Cid. There are actually two versions of Chaos, the one Cid created and raised as a son and what Garland would later call himself after he'd turned into a giant demon monster.
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[[WMG: Astos was planning on using ScryAndDie tactics to get through the Castle of Ordeals.]]
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[[WMG: The mysterious hooded figure who leads the Warriors of Light to the Labyrinth of Time is Cid of the Lufaine]]
Who returned to his homeworld after Dissidia 012 to find it under threat from Chronodia and led the only people capable of stopping it to it's lair.
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** It would sense since [[BigEater Prishe]] from VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI gave him his name.
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** It would make sense since [[BigEater Prishe]] from VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI gave him his name.
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* It's plausible that, along with the Four Fiends, Chaos sends a copy of himself to the future. After all, if he wins the opening battle, he wins completely. The final battle against Chaos is actually a desperation ploy, since if he loses the second time, he loses for really real. Maybe he wants out of the Time Loop and thinks "this time, the heroes will lose! Fuck, they beat me again! Well, time to prepare for their arrival."
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* It's plausible that, along with the Four Fiends, Chaos sends a copy of himself to the future. After all, if he wins the opening battle, he wins completely. The final battle against Chaos is actually a desperation ploy, since if he loses the second time, he loses for really real. Maybe he wants out of the Time Loop and thinks "this time, the heroes will lose! Fuck, Damn, they beat me again! Well, time to prepare for their arrival.""
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* 4.) The Lufenian civilization is intact and thriving safely in their floating city.
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* 4.) The Lufenian civilization is intact and thriving safely in their floating city.city.
* 5.) The mermaid's, without Kraken's invasion would prosper.
* 5.) The mermaid's, without Kraken's invasion would prosper.
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[[WMG: What happened after the time-loop was broken.]]
With Chaos and the Four Fiends written out of the timeline, the world of Final Fantasy no doubt changed drastically.
* 1.) Garland remained a loyal knight of Cornelia.
* 2.) The Elf Prince was never attacked because Astos and the Dark Elves never acquired the power needed to attack Elfheim.
* 3.) Villains like Astos and the Vampire are still alive but are powerless.
* 4.) The Lufenian civilization is intact and thriving safely in their floating city.
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* It's plausible that, along with the Four Fiends, Chaos sends a copy of himself to the future. After all, if he wins the opening battle, he wins completely. The final battle against Chaos is actually a desperation ploy, since if he loses the second time, he loses for really real. Maybe he wants out of the Time Loop and thinks "this time, the heroes will lose! Fuck, they beat me again! Well, time to prepare for their arrival."
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[[WMG: The Four Fiends are the Four Light Warriors from the past]]
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[[WMG: The Four Fiends are the Four Light Warriors from the past]]past.]]
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** It would sense since [[BigEater Prishe]] VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI gave him his name.
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** It would sense since [[BigEater Prishe]] from VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI gave him his name.
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[[WMG: Chaos threw the battle at the end]]
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[[WMG: The four fiends are really the TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Chaos Gods trying to edge their way into conquering another universe]]
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[[WMG:Webcomic/EightBitTheater is what REALLY happened in FFI]]
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[[WMG:Webcomic/EightBitTheater is what REALLY happened in FFI]]FFI.]]
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* Nope, turns out their manifestations of Garlands' own hatred (don't ask how).
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* Technically the dark crystal was created by the Four Fiends (or Chaos, I'm not really clear on that detail).
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* I think the Gilgamesh who appears in the game is supposed to be a dimension-hoper. So it wouldn't be a prequel per-say.
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* Jossed, if the latest novel based on the game is canon.
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** It would sense since [[BigEater Prishe]] VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI gave him his name.
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As of 000, Cid Lufaine has again relinquished his moogle form, and is free to roam the multiverse, while Cosmos rebuilds World B. Cid decides to put down Shinryu before he does anything els. So Cid pulls his second "son", the Warrior of Light, and his companions, who have been deposited outside Corneria for the second time, having undone their journey for all but themselves, breaking Chaos' paradox, into the Soul of Chaos to find and destroy Shinryu. It is here that the warriors put an end to Shinryu once and for all, or at the least punish him for his part in the endless Cycle.
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As of 000, Cid Lufaine has again relinquished his moogle form, and is free to roam the multiverse, while Cosmos rebuilds World B. Cid decides to put down Shinryu before he does anything els.else. So Cid pulls his second "son", the Warrior of Light, and his companions, who have been deposited outside Corneria for the second time, having undone their journey for all but themselves, breaking Chaos' paradox, into the Soul of Chaos to find and destroy Shinryu. It is here that the warriors put an end to Shinryu once and for all, or at the least punish him for his part in the endless Cycle.
