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We know that Illya died a year after the war in Archer's time, but perhaps Shirou tried to save her life by transffering some his power to her. This caused her to begin exhibiting powerful projection abilities and her skin turned darker (like what later happened to EMIYA). At some time before she died she used these abilities to do something incredibly badass that ended up netting her a place in the Throne of Heroes until she some how got dragged into this reality. This of course means that if Heroic Spirit Emiya shows up later in accordance with the above we can be expecting a [[CrowningMomentofHeartwarming a very touching reunion]].
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We know that Illya died a year after the war in Archer's time, but perhaps Shirou tried to save her life by transffering some his power to her. This caused her to begin exhibiting powerful projection abilities and her skin turned darker (like what later happened to EMIYA). At some time before she died she used these abilities to do something incredibly badass that ended up netting her a place in the Throne of Heroes until she some how got dragged into this reality. This of course means that if Heroic Spirit Emiya shows up later in accordance with the above we can be expecting a [[CrowningMomentofHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments a very touching reunion]].
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****Arguably unlikely. Even though Chloe is in possession of the Archer EMIYA Class Card, and thus all of EMIYA's powers, the fundamentals of a Reality Marble would not allow her to use Unlimited Blade Works. A Reality Marble is a projection of the user's inner world, the manifestation of their soul on the world. Every user of Unlimited Blade Works has a different version of it because they are different people, but they are all at their core Shirou Emiya, a sword incarnate that fights to protect and save others. While Chloe does posses the powers of EMIYA, she is a fundamentally different person with a dissimilar soul, so she probably doesn't even have basis for what is need for Unlimited Blade Works.
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Sakura will show up as a [[DarkMagicalGirl Dark Magical Girl]] rival to the heroes a la [[MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha Fate Testarossa]], and she will have her [[CursedWithAwesome shadow powers]] and [[GoodThingYouCanHeal obscene healing factor]]. She will eventually get "befriended" by Illya, will become a permananent resident of Shirou's harem, and the people who manipulated and tortured her into doing what she did will get their comeuppance. A possible Kaleid Liner Prism Illya 3rei! in a nutshell.
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Sakura will show up as a [[DarkMagicalGirl Dark Magical Girl]] rival to the heroes a la [[MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha Fate Testarossa]], and she will have her [[CursedWithAwesome shadow powers]] and [[GoodThingYouCanHeal obscene healing factor]]. She will eventually get "befriended" by Illya, will become a permananent resident of Shirou's harem, and the people who manipulated and tortured her into doing what she did will get their comeuppance. A possible Kaleid Liner Prism Illya 3rei! in a nutshell.
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* Thor being a Grail War candidate is ''very'' strange; as a "pure" PhysicalGod being a Servant is unheard of. (''FateExtra'' was different.) Even Gilgamesh comments that there's something screwy about that. Explained, it's actually Magni.
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* Thor being a Grail War candidate is ''very'' strange; as a "pure" PhysicalGod being a Servant is unheard of. (''FateExtra'' (''VideoGame/FateExtra'' was different.) Even Gilgamesh comments that there's something screwy about that. Explained, it's actually Magni.
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** Jossed, it's actually Magni; Thor's half-human son.
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* Thor being a Grail War candidate is ''very'' strange; as a "pure" PhysicalGod being a Servant is unheard of. (''FateExtra'' was different.) Even Gilgamesh comments that there's something screwy about that. Explained, it's actually Magni.
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It explains a lot. Such as why would EMIYA help Miyuverse Shirou. EMIYA knew all along about Shirou's wish and that Miyu would end up in Illya's world and he knew that the Ainsworth's would follow and get everyone mixed up. Kuro is EMIYA's avatar, a way for him to observe the situation without anyone knowing the wiser if not an unintentional fusion of EMIYA and holy grail Illya.
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It explains a lot. Such as why would EMIYA help Miyuverse Shirou. EMIYA knew all along about Shirou's wish and that Miyu would end up in Illya's world and he knew that the Ainsworth's would follow and get everyone mixed up. Kuro is EMIYA's avatar, a way for him to observe the situation without anyone knowing the wiser if not an unintentional fusion of EMIYA and holy grail Illya.Illya.
[[WMG: Kuro retains Illya's magic circuits while Illya kept her mana reserves when they were split.]]
It's why Kuro needs Illya to provide her with prana. Originally before Kuro, Illya seemed capable of doing a lot of heavy magic (like her first install with the Archer card) but after she split with Kuro, while she still has a respectable number of magic circuits, the lion's share went to Kuro. Theoretically, if she had all of her magic circuits, she might have been able to do her Zwei form safer. Illya's body still stores and regenerates large amounts of mana but doesn't have the magic circuits to use it in large amounts without overloading her circuits whereas Kuro might not have any mana reserves or very little and needs to replenish them from other sources.
[[WMG: Kuro retains Illya's magic circuits while Illya kept her mana reserves when they were split.]]
It's why Kuro needs Illya to provide her with prana. Originally before Kuro, Illya seemed capable of doing a lot of heavy magic (like her first install with the Archer card) but after she split with Kuro, while she still has a respectable number of magic circuits, the lion's share went to Kuro. Theoretically, if she had all of her magic circuits, she might have been able to do her Zwei form safer. Illya's body still stores and regenerates large amounts of mana but doesn't have the magic circuits to use it in large amounts without overloading her circuits whereas Kuro might not have any mana reserves or very little and needs to replenish them from other sources.
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[[WMG: The entire series was masterminded by Miyuverse EMIYA]]
It explains a lot. Such as why would EMIYA help Miyuverse Shirou. EMIYA knew all along about Shirou's wish and that Miyu would end up in Illya's world and he knew that the Ainsworth's would follow and get everyone mixed up. Kuro is EMIYA's avatar, a way for him to observe the situation without anyone knowing the wiser if not an unintentional fusion of EMIYA and holy grail Illya.
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[[WMG: Illya will double install a Berserker card on top of Heracles and get [[Literature/FateStrangeFake Alcides]]]]
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** Perhaps the 3rei movie will have the "gang", so to speak, fail at something, thereby causing Alaya to summon EMIYA to fix it, and possibly causing a great deal of Shenanigans.
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Therefore it is possible that Miyu's brother is the Shirou who wants everyone to be happy. So [[spoiler: 'his last wish' to Miyu for her to escape to another world where she can be happy and not suffering]], is actually a GambitRoulette like [[TsubasaReservoirChronicle Fei Wong Reed]] that [[spoiler: Miyu travel to another world and learns happiness]] and then he will use her experience with happiness [[spoiler: and her role as a Holy Grail Vessel]] to wish for EVERYONE to be happy!
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Therefore it is possible that Miyu's brother is the Shirou who wants everyone to be happy. So [[spoiler: 'his last wish' to Miyu for her to escape to another world where she can be happy and not suffering]], is actually a GambitRoulette like [[TsubasaReservoirChronicle [[Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle Fei Wong Reed]] that [[spoiler: Miyu travel to another world and learns happiness]] and then he will use her experience with happiness [[spoiler: and her role as a Holy Grail Vessel]] to wish for EVERYONE to be happy!
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* [[spoiler: Jossed. Miyuverse!Shirou is actually fighting against the real BigBad, the Ainsworths.]]
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* Confirmed in Chapter 48 of 3rei, as shown that [[spoiler: Darius was able to manipulate the nature of the myth of Pandora's Box]].
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: it was actually Erika who is to be turned to be Pandora, possibly by way of using a Caster Class Card since Rin hypothesized that Darius once were able to create it in the past. ]]
[[WMG: Tanaka is [[spoiler: an Ether Liner]]]]
Her physical descriptions and actions match most of what has been described as an [[Literature/AngelNotes Ether Liner]], like [[spoiler: shapeshifting limbs that can turn into weapons.]]
[[WMG: Tanaka is [[spoiler: an Ether Liner]]]]
Her physical descriptions and actions match most of what has been described as an [[Literature/AngelNotes Ether Liner]], like [[spoiler: shapeshifting limbs that can turn into weapons.]]
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[[spoiler: Darius wants to open Pandora's Box but Pandora refuse to follow his plan, so he altered the grail from summoning servants to summon cards but Pandora ended up like Kid Gilgamesh.]] This may explain why Tanaka hates the Ainsworth and where her powers come from.
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[[spoiler: Darius wants to open Pandora's Box but Pandora refuse to follow his plan, so he altered the grail from summoning servants to summon cards but Pandora ended up like Kid Gilgamesh.]] This may explain why Tanaka hates the Ainsworth and where her powers come from.
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[[spoiler: Darius wants to open Pandora's Box but Pandora refuse to follow his plan, so he altered the grail from summoning servants to summon cards but Pandora ended up like Kid Gilgamesh.]] This may explain why Tanaka hates the AinsworthAinsworth and where her powers come from.
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[[WMG: Tanaka is [[spoiler: Pandora]]]]
[[spoiler: Darius wants to open Pandora's Box but Pandora refuse to follow his plan, so he altered the grail from summoning servants to summon cards but Pandora ended up like Gilgamesh.]] This may explain why Tanaka hates the Ainsworth
[[spoiler: Darius wants to open Pandora's Box but Pandora refuse to follow his plan, so he altered the grail from summoning servants to summon cards but Pandora ended up like Gilgamesh.]] This may explain why Tanaka hates the Ainsworth
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We know that Illya died a year after the war in Archer's time, but perhaps Shirou tried to save her life by transffering some his power to her. This caused her to begin exhibiting powerful projection abilities and her skin turned darker (like what later happened to EMIYA). At some time before she died she used these abilities to do something incredibly [[BadAss badass]] that ended up netting her a place in the Throne of Heroes until she some how got dragged into this reality. This of course means that if Heroic Spirit Emiya shows up later in accordance with the above we can be expecting a [[CrowningMomentofHeartwarming a very touching reunion]].
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We know that Illya died a year after the war in Archer's time, but perhaps Shirou tried to save her life by transffering some his power to her. This caused her to begin exhibiting powerful projection abilities and her skin turned darker (like what later happened to EMIYA). At some time before she died she used these abilities to do something incredibly [[BadAss badass]] badass that ended up netting her a place in the Throne of Heroes until she some how got dragged into this reality. This of course means that if Heroic Spirit Emiya shows up later in accordance with the above we can be expecting a [[CrowningMomentofHeartwarming a very touching reunion]].
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** [[spoiler:Jossed. Chloe is born from Illya memories when she's 8 month old.]]
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** [[spoiler:Jossed. Chloe is born from Illya Illya's memories when she's she was 8 month old.]]
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[[WMG: Rin, Sakura and Illya will all get a big damn Heroes rescue by thier appropriate Father figure!]]
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** Jossed. It's a field of snow.
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[[WMG: Darius is [[spoiler:the Matou Zouken / Makiri Zolgen of the Miyuverse]]]]
Based on some recent revelations from Chapter 44 of 3rei, the Ainsworth family succession is anything but the standard that proper/orthodox magi follow.
Instead, [[spoiler:the original family head, Darius, effectively possesses the male heirs of each succeeding generation; such was the case with Julian's own father, Zachary (thus explaining the previous incongruity), and presumably the same with Julian himself, now.]]
Based on some recent revelations from Chapter 44 of 3rei, the Ainsworth family succession is anything but the standard that proper/orthodox magi follow.
Instead, [[spoiler:the original family head, Darius, effectively possesses the male heirs of each succeeding generation; such was the case with Julian's own father, Zachary (thus explaining the previous incongruity), and presumably the same with Julian himself, now.]]
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[[WMG: Illya and Kuro/Chloe will fuse back into one person]]
As Kuro is originally a part of Illya, and she can only maintain her existence with the Archer card and frequent prana exchange rituals, it makes sense that eventually there will come a point where she won't be able or won't want to maintain her existence anymore. At that point, Illya and Kuro will perform some kind of FusionDance, and the resulting Illya will be a composite of the two characters that bears more resemblance to the Illya we know from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''.
As Kuro is originally a part of Illya, and she can only maintain her existence with the Archer card and frequent prana exchange rituals, it makes sense that eventually there will come a point where she won't be able or won't want to maintain her existence anymore. At that point, Illya and Kuro will perform some kind of FusionDance, and the resulting Illya will be a composite of the two characters that bears more resemblance to the Illya we know from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''.
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[[WMG: Nanaki's sister, moriym Nanami is ManipulativeBastard]]
Although it is one sided view from Rin and Luvia, [[http://www.mangahere.co/manga/fate_kaleid_liner_prisma_illya_drei/c016.6/14.html Nanami]] [[DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength unconsciously break a glass]] after she got Gandr to the face indicating she is more fit than she lets you know. Shiro is ObliviousToLove ChickMagnet. Go figure.
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** Jossed as of 3rei. [[spoiler:Miyu was an unrelated person to Shirou, being a Child of God named Miyu Satsuki. She was adopted by Kiritsugu, but only REALLY became Shirou's biological sister when she unconsciously used her last wish to become so.]]
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Following that the parallel world is a reflection of Illya's world, the blind and dense Shirou would be one hell of a [[TheCasanova Casanova]]
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* Jossed as of 3rei. [[spoiler:Miyu originated from an unrelated magic-using family, the Satsukis, and was only adopted by Kiritsugu, like Shirou.]]
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They aren't just depowered in this AlternateUniverse, according to Irisviel when Kuro asks if she could go join them, they're ''gone.'' In the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' verse, they were strong enough to hide Illya and keep Kiritsugu completely away; while lying to Illya about Kiritsugu. In this universe; they didn't have the same power but they still threatened Kiritsugu's family. ....this was a bad idea. He and Iris stay away from Illya to prevent fallout from other mage families affecting her.
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They aren't just depowered in this AlternateUniverse, according to Irisviel when Kuro Chloe asks if she could go join them, they're ''gone.'' In the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' verse, they were strong enough to hide Illya and keep Kiritsugu completely away; while lying to Illya about Kiritsugu. In this universe; they didn't have the same power but they still threatened Kiritsugu's family. ....this was a bad idea. He and Iris stay away from Illya to prevent fallout from other mage families affecting her.
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* Isn't Kuro effectively EMIYA in Illya's body? Not that I'd complain if EMIYA showed up, too.
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* Except it isn't the Fourth Grail War it is in fact the the first and only Grail War but was stopped by Kiritsugu and Irisviel so they wont sacrifice their daughter Illya. Irisviel sealed the original Illya personality, the mage part, but it was not erased as she thought thus we got Kuro as another personality in Illya similar to Shiki Ryougi. Till Kuro manifested herself with the Ainsworth version of the Dress of Heaven, the Class Card Archer.
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* Except it isn't the Fourth Grail War it is in fact the the first and only Grail War but was stopped by Kiritsugu and Irisviel so they wont sacrifice their daughter Illya. Irisviel sealed the original Illya personality, the mage part, but it was not erased as she thought thus we got Kuro Chloe as another personality in Illya similar to Shiki Ryougi. Till Kuro Chloe manifested herself with the Ainsworth version of the Dress of Heaven, the Class Card Archer.
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Illya's and Kuro's wish granting power is the result of being partly the core of Greater Grail. This does give Illya access to Akasha thus much of her Mana is the result of her possessing Third Magic.
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Illya's and Kuro's Chloe's wish granting power is the result of being partly the core of Greater Grail. This does give Illya access to Akasha thus much of her Mana is the result of her possessing Third Magic.
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[[WMG: Parallel World Shirou will teach Kuro Unlimited Blade Works]]
Now that they've been sent to an alternate dimension in Drei, some things are going to be different. IF this world's Shirou is alive, then he may be able to show Kuro the true abilities of the hero EMIYA. She'll also probably have her own custom invocation related to her existence and/or ThePowerOfFriendship.
Now that they've been sent to an alternate dimension in Drei, some things are going to be different. IF this world's Shirou is alive, then he may be able to show Kuro the true abilities of the hero EMIYA. She'll also probably have her own custom invocation related to her existence and/or ThePowerOfFriendship.
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[[WMG: Parallel World Shirou will teach Kuro Chloe Unlimited Blade Works]]
Now that they've been sent to an alternate dimension in Drei, some things are going to be different. IF this world's Shirou is alive, then he may be able to showKuro Chloe the true abilities of the hero EMIYA. She'll also probably have her own custom invocation related to her existence and/or ThePowerOfFriendship.
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*** Turns out that it's even easier than that. [[spoiler: Kuro's Chloe's thoughts suggest that she's learning how to use her class card just by seeing him fight. Not that he has the prana to use UBW right now.]]
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This may also be the reason why Illya was separated from Kuro when entering the alternate world, to prevent Kuro and Shirou meeting during the Ainsworth infiltration arc.
When Kuro and Shirou meet, he'll eventually take his power back to become EMIYA and rescue his sister with everyone's help.
When Kuro and Shirou meet, he'll eventually take his power back to become EMIYA and rescue his sister with everyone's help.
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This may also be the reason why Illya was separated from Kuro Chloe when entering the alternate world, to prevent Kuro Chloe and Shirou meeting during the Ainsworth infiltration arc.
WhenKuro Chloe and Shirou meet, he'll eventually take his power back to become EMIYA and rescue his sister with everyone's help.
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* [[spoiler: Considering that Shirou speaks of a need to have a serious talk with Miyu about decency when he sees her... less than modest magical girl outfit, I'd say it's likely jossed.]]
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*In reference to the starry sky under which Miyu wished to become Shirou's real sister.
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* In addition, in the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' they managed to hide Illya because Kiritsugu was critically weakened by Angra Mainyu. However since Kiritsugu in this verse is obviously healthy it's likely he went full Magnus Killer on their ass.
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* In addition, in the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' they managed to hide Illya because Kiritsugu was critically weakened by Angra Mainyu. However since Kiritsugu in this verse is obviously healthy it's likely he went full Magnus Magus Killer on their ass.
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* Partally true, it's less because of the Gem Sword (Due to the fact that Second Magic gives theoretically unlimited mana) And more the fact that Illya and Miyu are still limited by how much mana their bodies and magic circuits can handle. [[spoiler: Which is a good reason why Zwei Form is a DeadlyUpgrade.]]
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* Partally Partially true, it's less because of the Gem Sword (Due to the fact that Second Magic gives theoretically unlimited mana) And more the fact that Illya and Miyu are still limited by how much mana their bodies and magic circuits can handle. [[spoiler: Which is a good reason why Zwei Form is a DeadlyUpgrade.]]
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*Partally true, it's less because of the Gem Sword (Due to the fact that Second Magic gives theoretically unlimited mana) And more the fact that Illya and Miyu are still limited by how much mana their bodies and magic circuits can handle. [[spoiler: Which is a good reason why Zwei Form is a DeadlyUpgrade.]]
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* Jossed, the cards [[spoiler: Are from the Alternate Universe.]]
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** [[spoiler:EMIYA Shirou of Miyu's Verse, who was once the wielder of the EMIYA!Archer card, finally shows up in 3rei, bringing a lot of GARness.]]
