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[[WMG: Dark Science ends with the retcon of Nephilopolis itself]]
The only way to slow down beings who can rewrite the laws of reality and history is to cut off their resource supply; in this case, it's the surveillance state convincing everyone to sacrifice their trinkets and baubles for wealth and power, trinkets which are actually artifacts that can be destroyed to erase laws of physics and entire nations from history. Erasing just enough to make the timeline truly similar to ours, while creating the masquerade that Kimiko will live in for the rest of the series, would be a poetic ending to the arc.
The only way to slow down beings who can rewrite the laws of reality and history is to cut off their resource supply; in this case, it's the surveillance state convincing everyone to sacrifice their trinkets and baubles for wealth and power, trinkets which are actually artifacts that can be destroyed to erase laws of physics and entire nations from history. Erasing just enough to make the timeline truly similar to ours, while creating the masquerade that Kimiko will live in for the rest of the series, would be a poetic ending to the arc.
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Compare the gentleman accepting a drink from a robot server in the flashback (flashforward?) in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/21/metropolis/ this Hob comic]] with the gentleman from the Department of Recursion in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/11/03/dark-science-22/ this Dark Science comic]]. There are other, more subtle hints, or what I think are hints, throughout the Dark Science storyline that reality is somewhat malleable, that people are playing roles in their "lives" in Nephilopolis, and that everything functions like a game or an amusement park. Dark Science is the result of this timeline's Kim doing what the Kim in the time travelers' timeline didn't - rescuing humans from the [[http://dresdencodak.com/2008/06/07/eloi/ fantasies that have become too real]] for people to think of leaving.
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Compare the gentleman accepting a drink from a robot server in the flashback (flashforward?) in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/21/metropolis/ this Hob comic]] with the gentleman from the Department of Recursion in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/11/03/dark-science-22/ this Dark Science comic]]. There are other, more subtle hints, or what I think are hints, throughout the Dark Science storyline that reality is somewhat malleable, that people are playing roles in their "lives" in Nephilopolis, and that everything functions like a game or an amusement park. Dark Science is the result of this timeline's Kim doing what the Kim in the time travelers' timeline didn't - rescuing humans from the [[http://dresdencodak.com/2008/06/07/eloi/ fantasies that have become too real]] for people to think of leaving.
leaving. She is here to [[http://dresdencodak.com/2015/06/15/dark-science-48-final-form/ destroy the false world]] and lead the people trapped in it to [[http://dresdencodak.com/2017/08/29/dark-science-81-a-new-world/ something better]].
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[[WMG: The Dark Science storyline is taking place within a simulation.]]
Compare the gentleman accepting a drink from a robot server in the flashback (flashforward?) in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/21/metropolis/ this Hob comic]] with the gentleman from the Department of Recursion in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/11/03/dark-science-22/ this Dark Science comic]]. There are other, more subtle hints, or what I think are hints, throughout the Dark Science storyline that reality is somewhat malleable, that people are playing roles in their "lives" in Nephilopolis, and that everything functions like a game or an amusement park. Dark Science is the result of this timeline's Kim doing what the Kim in the time travelers' timeline didn't - rescuing humans from the [[http://dresdencodak.com/2008/06/07/eloi/ fantasies that have become too real]] for people to think of leaving.
Compare the gentleman accepting a drink from a robot server in the flashback (flashforward?) in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2007/09/21/metropolis/ this Hob comic]] with the gentleman from the Department of Recursion in [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/11/03/dark-science-22/ this Dark Science comic]]. There are other, more subtle hints, or what I think are hints, throughout the Dark Science storyline that reality is somewhat malleable, that people are playing roles in their "lives" in Nephilopolis, and that everything functions like a game or an amusement park. Dark Science is the result of this timeline's Kim doing what the Kim in the time travelers' timeline didn't - rescuing humans from the [[http://dresdencodak.com/2008/06/07/eloi/ fantasies that have become too real]] for people to think of leaving.
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** Now that we have [[http://dresdencodak.com/2016/03/21/dark-science-61-kusanagi-brand/ names and images for all of the councilpeople]], Belphegor doesn't look like he's skinny enough to be Somnus/Sloth, he looks more like Gulae/Gluttony. Being tall and skinny and spreading out on top, Somnus reminds me a lot of Father Abaddon, whose church and philosophy seem to be pretty in line with sloth.
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** Now that we have [[http://dresdencodak.com/2016/03/21/dark-science-61-kusanagi-brand/ names and images for all of the councilpeople]], Belphegor doesn't look like he's skinny enough to be Somnus/Sloth, he looks more like Gulae/Gluttony. Being tall and skinny and spreading out on top, Somnus reminds me a lot of Father Abaddon, whose church and philosophy seem to be pretty in line with sloth.
sloth. EDIT: [[http://dresdencodak.com/2013/03/19/dark-science-25/ Gulae has already been called Belphegor]]. The misalignment of demons on two of them is kind of odd, since all the other ones seem likely to line up.
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**Now that we have [[http://dresdencodak.com/2016/03/21/dark-science-61-kusanagi-brand/ names and images for all of the councilpeople]], Belphegor doesn't look like he's skinny enough to be Somnus/Sloth, he looks more like Gulae/Gluttony. Being tall and skinny and spreading out on top, Somnus reminds me a lot of Father Abaddon, whose church and philosophy seem to be pretty in line with sloth.
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[[WMG: The "Hob" storyline are false memories implanted in the mind of the Kimiko we know from "Dark Science"]]
In "Hob," we see a flashback to Kim with her mother, who can be overhead saying, "I swear, you'd think that machine was his real daughter." In "[[http://dresdencodak.com/2015/11/16/dark-science-55-the-symbol/ The Symbol]]," we explore [[spoiler: the possibility that Kim's mother might not even exist. Especially since she doesn't even realize she's drawn the Dark Science symbol instead of her mother's face.]]
[[WMG: Alisa Caspar is the leader of the Dark Council]]
She was the closest person to Kaito Kusanagi before his death and would've had access to his research. Not to mention the similarity between her eyes [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/11/03/dark-science-22/ as seen here]] and this close-up [[http://dresdencodak.com/2014/10/06/dark-science-35/ here]].
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Her trying to actively mislead people would explain Melchoir and Bogan's confusion over what she actually believes. Not to mention it would be yet another ShoutOut to the [[GhostInTheShell other Ms. Kusanagi]].
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Her trying to actively mislead people would explain Melchoir and Bogan's confusion over what she actually believes. Not to mention it would be yet another ShoutOut to the [[GhostInTheShell [[Franchise/GhostInTheShell other Ms. Kusanagi]].
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The later cyborg Kim is an AI being programmed to believe she's original (?) Kim, which fits with her "real" name, [[GhostintheShell Kusanagi]].
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The later cyborg Kim is an AI being programmed to believe she's original (?) Kim, which fits with her "real" name, [[GhostintheShell [[Franchise/GhostintheShell Kusanagi]].
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*Edit to my theory: I recently learned that an alternate name for the ruler of wrath is Amon. We do know an Amon, Amon Harthrow, Asmodea's dad, so he may be the beaky-hat Dark Councilperson.
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In sum, I speculate that Asmodea Harthrow and Esther Mammon are on the Council, and if you see a Beelzebub (probably with the Department of Taste) or a Satan, that fills out the ranks. What this bodes for Kim I do not know.
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In sum, I speculate that Asmodea Harthrow and Esther Mammon Mammon, and possibly Alisa Caspar, are on the Council, and if you see a Beelzebub (probably with the Department of Taste) or a Satan, that fills out the ranks. What this bodes for Kim I do not know.
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[[WMG: Speculations about the members of the Dark Council.]]
My reasoning is based solely on the fact that so far, the Dark Council have names based on Peter Binsfeld's classifications of Hell, and that they correspond well to the sins associated with them.
Lucifer is the ruler of pride, and Morningstar, the corresponding Dark Councilperson displays a lot of pride ; Belphegor is the ruler of sloth, and the corresponding Dark Councilman is part of the Department of Dissipation; Leviathan is the ruler of envy, and Belphegor mentions [[spoiler:Vonnie's]] envy in trying to get her to fill the opening. We know Leviathan and Belphegor's identities, but not Morningstar's; if we encounter a Lucifer, that'd be our best guess, but in the meantime, I speculate that Morningstar is actually Alisa Caspar, on the reasoning that Alisa's hairstyle matches Morningstar's helmet and they both have kind of a flat nose.
Furthermore, we know there's an Esther Mammon running around, Department of Quantification - Mammon is the ruler of greed, and she looks to be about the same height as the little Dark Councilperson in the hat.
We haven't met any "Satans" yet in-comic, but since the Dark Councilperson with the sort of beaky hat is red-lit and is the one who [[http://dresdencodak.com/2014/10/06/dark-science-35/ asks to kill]] [[spoiler:Melchior]], I'm assuming that they're Satan, ruler of wrath.
The ruler of lust is Asmodeus, and the only Asmodeus we know is Asmodea Harthrow, of the Department of Distraction (who certainly does have some [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/09/26/dark-science-21/ lusted-after ... assets]]). I believe that she is the Dark Councilwoman in the [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/04/10/dark-science-18/ boob-grab chestplate]]. Why she's [[spoiler:helping Kim]] is a mystery, and may be either outright rebellion from the Council, her having more humanity than the other Dark Councilpersons (since, according to Dante, lust is the sin common to all humans), or a trap.
By process of elimination, the Dark Councilperson with the horns would be Beelzebub, ruler of gluttony. Said Councilperson may turn out to be from the Department of Taste.
In sum, I speculate that Asmodea Harthrow and Esther Mammon are on the Council, and if you see a Beelzebub (probably with the Department of Taste) or a Satan, that fills out the ranks. What this bodes for Kim I do not know.
My reasoning is based solely on the fact that so far, the Dark Council have names based on Peter Binsfeld's classifications of Hell, and that they correspond well to the sins associated with them.
Lucifer is the ruler of pride, and Morningstar, the corresponding Dark Councilperson displays a lot of pride ; Belphegor is the ruler of sloth, and the corresponding Dark Councilman is part of the Department of Dissipation; Leviathan is the ruler of envy, and Belphegor mentions [[spoiler:Vonnie's]] envy in trying to get her to fill the opening. We know Leviathan and Belphegor's identities, but not Morningstar's; if we encounter a Lucifer, that'd be our best guess, but in the meantime, I speculate that Morningstar is actually Alisa Caspar, on the reasoning that Alisa's hairstyle matches Morningstar's helmet and they both have kind of a flat nose.
Furthermore, we know there's an Esther Mammon running around, Department of Quantification - Mammon is the ruler of greed, and she looks to be about the same height as the little Dark Councilperson in the hat.
We haven't met any "Satans" yet in-comic, but since the Dark Councilperson with the sort of beaky hat is red-lit and is the one who [[http://dresdencodak.com/2014/10/06/dark-science-35/ asks to kill]] [[spoiler:Melchior]], I'm assuming that they're Satan, ruler of wrath.
The ruler of lust is Asmodeus, and the only Asmodeus we know is Asmodea Harthrow, of the Department of Distraction (who certainly does have some [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/09/26/dark-science-21/ lusted-after ... assets]]). I believe that she is the Dark Councilwoman in the [[http://dresdencodak.com/2012/04/10/dark-science-18/ boob-grab chestplate]]. Why she's [[spoiler:helping Kim]] is a mystery, and may be either outright rebellion from the Council, her having more humanity than the other Dark Councilpersons (since, according to Dante, lust is the sin common to all humans), or a trap.
By process of elimination, the Dark Councilperson with the horns would be Beelzebub, ruler of gluttony. Said Councilperson may turn out to be from the Department of Taste.
In sum, I speculate that Asmodea Harthrow and Esther Mammon are on the Council, and if you see a Beelzebub (probably with the Department of Taste) or a Satan, that fills out the ranks. What this bodes for Kim I do not know.
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[[WMG: Radnar is ...]]
*[[FunWithAcronyms Robotic Autonomous Device, Nervous And Rambling]]
*[[FunWithAcronyms Robotic Autonomous Device, Nervous And Rambling]]
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[[WMG: The Telepathic People of Tomorrow]]
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mic are the descendents of the future humans from the Hob storyline]] After removing artificial intelligences, and consequently most computers, from their lives, and regaining their sight, these future entities develop new means of improving their lives. So, rather than increasing the complexity of their lives with different types of computer, the rely on boosting their brain power. Didya notice how the background of the far future have no complex buildings in the background, and [[Main/ImAHumanitarian resort to cannibalism? ]] They obviously have to compensate for their lack of technology with what their massive brainpower gives them.
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mic are the descendents of the future humans from the Hob storyline]] After removing artificial intelligences, and consequently most computers, from their lives, and regaining their sight, these future entities develop new means of improving their lives. So, rather than increasing the complexity of their lives with different types of computer, the rely on boosting their brain power. Didya notice how the background of the far future have no complex buildings in the background, and [[Main/ImAHumanitarian resort to cannibalism? ]] They obviously have to compensate for their lack of technology with what their massive brainpower gives them.
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[[WMG: The world of the Dark Science arc takes place inside someone else's dream (possibly Kim's)]]
Much like a long and peculiar dream, Kim finds that there are details that don't match up with her perception of the world, like basic geography and history. It would also go toward explaining how the Dark Scientists' weapons are able to [[NoConservationofEnergy violate the basic Conservation of Energy]]. And it could be tied to the inscription on the tomb as found by Melchior and Balthazar:
-->"''Which is life and which the dream?''"
Much like a long and peculiar dream, Kim finds that there are details that don't match up with her perception of the world, like basic geography and history. It would also go toward explaining how the Dark Scientists' weapons are able to [[NoConservationofEnergy violate the basic Conservation of Energy]]. And it could be tied to the inscription on the tomb as found by Melchior and Balthazar:
-->"''Which is life and which the dream?''"
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[[Kimiko didn't survive the Hob arc.]]
The later cyborg Kim is an AI being programmed to believe she's original (?) Kim, which fits with
her "real" name, [[GhostintheShell Kusanagi.]]
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