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21st May '16 8:09:36 PM erforce
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[[WMG: Baal is [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} Gozer]]]]

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[[WMG: Baal is [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} [[Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}} Gozer]]]]
29th Mar '16 11:10:11 PM OmegaMetroid
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** ...And now you have me thinking it was a picture of him masturbating while saving kittens... dressed as a girl. Thanks, [[SarcasmMode I needed that]].
28th Feb '16 9:17:24 AM nombretomado
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* Tell me where in the Great Book O' Tropes that [[spoiler: a demon isn't allowed to also be a "Demon Hunter"? Anyone genre-savvy enough would remember that some of the best X-Hunters (where X is any superhuman being) are either Half-Human Hybrids or full members of X. {{Blade}} would be a good example of this. [[VampireRefugee We even have a trope about it (Sorta).]] ]]

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* Tell me where in the Great Book O' Tropes that [[spoiler: a demon isn't allowed to also be a "Demon Hunter"? Anyone genre-savvy enough would remember that some of the best X-Hunters (where X is any superhuman being) are either Half-Human Hybrids or full members of X. {{Blade}} Franchise/{{Blade}} would be a good example of this. [[VampireRefugee We even have a trope about it (Sorta).]] ]]
26th Aug '15 10:36:16 AM Praenomen
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We're talking old school Norse/Germanic [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_elves legend]] here. There's a lot of brands of demons in the [[Creator/{{Nippon Ichi}} Nippon Ichi]] verse; they're not all the same species. The magic-using, long-lived, PointedEars, bizarre morality'ed version are Dark Elves. Age appearance is either dependent on self-image or possibly how much human blood is in their lineage.

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We're talking old school Norse/Germanic [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_elves legend]] here. There's a lot of brands of demons in the [[Creator/{{Nippon Ichi}} Nippon Ichi]] Creator/NipponIchi verse; they're not all the same species. The magic-using, long-lived, PointedEars, bizarre morality'ed version are Dark Elves. Age appearance is either dependent on self-image or possibly how much human blood is in their lineage.
26th Aug '15 5:28:55 AM Ominae
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We're talking old school Norse/Germanic [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_elves legend]] here. There's a lot of brands of demons in the NipponIchi verse; they're not all the same species. The magic-using, long-lived, PointedEars, bizarre morality'ed version are Dark Elves. Age appearance is either dependent on self-image or possibly how much human blood is in their lineage.

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We're talking old school Norse/Germanic [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_elves legend]] here. There's a lot of brands of demons in the NipponIchi [[Creator/{{Nippon Ichi}} Nippon Ichi]] verse; they're not all the same species. The magic-using, long-lived, PointedEars, bizarre morality'ed version are Dark Elves. Age appearance is either dependent on self-image or possibly how much human blood is in their lineage.



** Evidence? One of the castle residents mentions something about it not being something that a demon would do. Demons in the NipponIchi world generally go by DarkIsNotEvil and EvenEvilHasStandards.They basically just do "evil" things like pranks or be mean to each other.

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** Evidence? One of the castle residents mentions something about it not being something that a demon would do. Demons in the NipponIchi Nippon Ichi world generally go by DarkIsNotEvil and EvenEvilHasStandards.They basically just do "evil" things like pranks or be mean to each other.



[[WMG: The rest of the NipponIchi games will have direct sequels to keep Asagi's wandering protagonist shtick going]]

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[[WMG: The rest of the NipponIchi Nippon Ichi games will have direct sequels to keep Asagi's wandering protagonist shtick going]]
19th Jun '15 3:28:09 PM Prfnoff
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[[WMG: MakaiKingdom is the meta-verse for all Nippon Ichi games]]

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[[WMG: MakaiKingdom ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'' is the meta-verse for all Nippon Ichi games]]



* ''MakaiKingdom'' was the last really big flare-up, but that situation was taken care of.

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* ''MakaiKingdom'' ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'' was the last really big flare-up, but that situation was taken care of.



Humans can become Demon Lords and Demon Overlords if they kill enough non-humanoid demons. In many of the Netherworlds, Laharl's included, it's the Humanoid Demons who form a dynasty; and Laharl's mother was a human, yet nobody calls him "half-human." ''Main/MakaiKingdom'' characters suffered some cognitive dissonance over this; they apparently justify it as Demon being how you act, not your origins.

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Humans can become Demon Lords and Demon Overlords if they kill enough non-humanoid demons. In many of the Netherworlds, Laharl's included, it's the Humanoid Demons who form a dynasty; and Laharl's mother was a human, yet nobody calls him "half-human." ''Main/MakaiKingdom'' ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'' characters suffered some cognitive dissonance over this; they apparently justify it as Demon being how you act, not your origins.



[[WMG: Chou Maou Pearl isn't just Baal, he's [[Main/IAmLegion Legion.]]]] He's Legion who has ''possessed'' Baal. As we learned in ''Main/MakaiKingdom'', "Baal" just possesses another body whenever his current one is destroyed, and this usually includes other demons; he has a special affinity to Prinnies, though. Then in ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 2|Cursed Memories}}'' we discover he can possess more than one body at a time. For he is many.

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[[WMG: Chou Maou Pearl isn't just Baal, he's [[Main/IAmLegion Legion.]]]] He's Legion who has ''possessed'' Baal. As we learned in ''Main/MakaiKingdom'', ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'', "Baal" just possesses another body whenever his current one is destroyed, and this usually includes other demons; he has a special affinity to Prinnies, though. Then in ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 2|Cursed Memories}}'' we discover he can possess more than one body at a time. For he is many.



Like a Main/BlackMagic big bang, pieces of this (Let's call it the Angra Manyu) spread across the multiverse; coalescing into various Powers and monsters. The "monstrous" demons are likely to be original models. But as humans became stronger, they started to defeat demons and absorb the trait themselves; creating humanoid demons like the main cast of ''Franchise/{{Disgaea}}'' and ''MakaiKingdom''. Demons can get more power and advance their titles by defeating others; but as they do so they run the risk of the "original will" taking them over. Baal is/are the largest chunk(s) leftover from the beginning; lesser chunks such as Sulphur from ''PhantomBrave'' also exist.

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Like a Main/BlackMagic big bang, pieces of this (Let's call it the Angra Manyu) spread across the multiverse; coalescing into various Powers and monsters. The "monstrous" demons are likely to be original models. But as humans became stronger, they started to defeat demons and absorb the trait themselves; creating humanoid demons like the main cast of ''Franchise/{{Disgaea}}'' and ''MakaiKingdom''.''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom''. Demons can get more power and advance their titles by defeating others; but as they do so they run the risk of the "original will" taking them over. Baal is/are the largest chunk(s) leftover from the beginning; lesser chunks such as Sulphur from ''PhantomBrave'' also exist.



*** [[ZettaiHeroKaizouKeikaku Nippon Ichi has elaborated.]]

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*** [[ZettaiHeroKaizouKeikaku Nippon Ichi has elaborated.]]
elaborated in ''VideoGame/ZettaiHeroProject''.



* Arguably WordOfGod, if you accept ''The World of Disgaea 2'' as canon; page 47 tells us while the transformed people changed back, it's otherwise unchanged. In fact, once a world is transformed into a netherworld, it's stuck that way. Barring, presumably, a [[MakaiKingdom trigger-happy moron]] destroying it utterly.

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* Arguably WordOfGod, if you accept ''The World of Disgaea 2'' as canon; page 47 tells us while the transformed people changed back, it's otherwise unchanged. In fact, once a world is transformed into a netherworld, it's stuck that way. Barring, presumably, a [[MakaiKingdom [[VideoGame/MakaiKingdom trigger-happy moron]] destroying it utterly.



** In Seedle's case, his Netherworld probably acts as your typical Purgatory, without sinners reincarnating as Prinnies. Maybe as [[PhantomBrave Phantoms?]] It's possible that people don't necessarily have to be Prinnies to atone. See: Disgaea 2, 'Reincarnate to Atone for Sins/into a Prinny'. As for demons and angels, well, at one point in MakaiKingdom it's stated that if an Overlord dies, there's nothing left. Possibly this could mean if they die outside of their Netherworld, or without any mana left [[spoiler: both of which was the case with Salome]], then a demon is gone for good, but otherwise they may well reincarnate somewhere else or even go to Heaven or Hell depending on what they were like in life.

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** In Seedle's case, his Netherworld probably acts as your typical Purgatory, without sinners reincarnating as Prinnies. Maybe as [[PhantomBrave [[VideoGame/PhantomBrave Phantoms?]] It's possible that people don't necessarily have to be Prinnies to atone. See: Disgaea 2, 'Reincarnate to Atone for Sins/into a Prinny'. As for demons and angels, well, at one point in MakaiKingdom ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'' it's stated that if an Overlord dies, there's nothing left. Possibly this could mean if they die outside of their Netherworld, or without any mana left [[spoiler: both of which was the case with Salome]], then a demon is gone for good, but otherwise they may well reincarnate somewhere else or even go to Heaven or Hell depending on what they were like in life.



I'd go as far as saying he has "Baal senses". Every time Laharl shows up, Baal always ends up as the bonus boss. This happens in ''VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness'', ''PhantomBrave'', ''MakaiKingdom'', ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 2|Cursed Memories}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 3|Absence of Justice}}'', and ''VideoGame/PrinnyCanIReallyBeTheHero''. And then in the UpdatedRerelease of ''LaPucelle'', he subverts time and space to get him, Etna, and Flonne into the game just so that he can kick Baal's ass. Yes, it could be his popularity bringing him back all the time, but then why do you think he doesn't show up in any of the crossover games? Only Etna and a Prinny show up in ''VideoGame/CrossEdge'' and the Japanese-only ''Trinity Universe'' has only Etna, Flonne, and a Prinny. It's pretty obvious why: Baal didn't show up, thus the crossover games were not worth his time. Yes, there's ''SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters'', but he didn't stick around for long. He just complained about Revya taking the title of Overlord lightly before quickly leaving him/her and Gig. And remember in Disgaea 3 when Laharl said that before he went to the Evil Academy he was fighting Baal until he somehow escaped? Where do you think he was fighting him? It's possible that Baal was planning on showing up in ''Soul Nomad'' to challenge Revya and Gig, but upon seeing Laharl again, he ran off into another game because he was so tired of fighting Laharl all the time. Laharl, with his Baal senses, noticed this and chased him to Evil Academy. Screen time might be Laharl's secondary objective, but it's pretty damn clear that his primary reason for his constant appearances in most games after his debut in ''VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness'' is to kick Baal's ass wherever he goes.

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I'd go as far as saying he has "Baal senses". Every time Laharl shows up, Baal always ends up as the bonus boss. This happens in ''VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness'', ''PhantomBrave'', ''MakaiKingdom'', ''VideoGame/PhantomBrave'', ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'', ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 2|Cursed Memories}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 3|Absence of Justice}}'', and ''VideoGame/PrinnyCanIReallyBeTheHero''. And then in the UpdatedRerelease of ''LaPucelle'', ''VideoGame/LaPucelle'', he subverts time and space to get him, Etna, and Flonne into the game just so that he can kick Baal's ass. Yes, it could be his popularity bringing him back all the time, but then why do you think he doesn't show up in any of the crossover games? Only Etna and a Prinny show up in ''VideoGame/CrossEdge'' and the Japanese-only ''Trinity Universe'' ''VideoGame/TrinityUniverse'' has only Etna, Flonne, and a Prinny. It's pretty obvious why: Baal didn't show up, thus the crossover games were not worth his time. Yes, there's ''SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters'', ''VideoGame/SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters'', but he didn't stick around for long. He just complained about Revya taking the title of Overlord lightly before quickly leaving him/her and Gig. And remember in Disgaea 3 when Laharl said that before he went to the Evil Academy he was fighting Baal until he somehow escaped? Where do you think he was fighting him? It's possible that Baal was planning on showing up in ''Soul Nomad'' to challenge Revya and Gig, but upon seeing Laharl again, he ran off into another game because he was so tired of fighting Laharl all the time. Laharl, with his Baal senses, noticed this and chased him to Evil Academy. Screen time might be Laharl's secondary objective, but it's pretty damn clear that his primary reason for his constant appearances in most games after his debut in ''VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness'' is to kick Baal's ass wherever he goes.



*** Yeah, but if that was true, why doesn't he show up in crossover universes? Again, he's not in ''VideoGame/CrossEdge'' and ''Trinity Universe'', and he didn't stick around too long in ''Soul Nomad'' (And in that particular he case, it was only in the Demon Path).

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*** Yeah, but if that was true, why doesn't he show up in crossover universes? Again, he's not in ''VideoGame/CrossEdge'' and ''Trinity Universe'', ''VideoGame/TrinityUniverse'', and he didn't stick around too long in ''Soul Nomad'' (And in that particular he case, it was only in the Demon Path).



**** Seems ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 4| A Promise Unforgotten}}'' has debunked this bit, seeing as how Baal's nowhere to be seen in that game... and considering that in ZettaiHeroProject, Valvolga from MakaiKingdom is stated to have been the one to off Baal permanently.
**** [[{{Jossed}} Not so fast!]] Baal is returning as DLC! So among all the games Laharl appeared in, the only game that didn't have Baal was ZettaiHeroProject.

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**** Seems ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 4| A Promise Unforgotten}}'' has debunked this bit, seeing as how Baal's nowhere to be seen in that game... and considering that in ZettaiHeroProject, ''VideoGame/ZettaiHeroProject'', Valvolga from MakaiKingdom ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'' is stated to have been the one to off Baal permanently.
**** [[{{Jossed}} Not so fast!]] Baal is returning as DLC! So among all the games Laharl appeared in, the only game that didn't have Baal was ZettaiHeroProject.
''VideoGame/ZettaiHeroProject''.



* Directly stated in ''MakaiKingdom''.

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* Directly stated in ''MakaiKingdom''.
''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom''.



His father is HUGE, but Mao's only the size of an average demon. But in MakaiKingdom, we saw the equally colossal Babylon transform into a humanoid form during his battle against Zetta. Thus, it's not hard to imagine that Mao's father could do the same thing. Vasa Aergun is Mao's technique of surging up to his true size and power. However, Mao is still a kid by demon standards, and considering how hard he had to work to get Vasa Aergun in the first place, it might be that he can only sustain the attack for a short time.

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His father is HUGE, but Mao's only the size of an average demon. But in MakaiKingdom, ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'', we saw the equally colossal Babylon transform into a humanoid form during his battle against Zetta. Thus, it's not hard to imagine that Mao's father could do the same thing. Vasa Aergun is Mao's technique of surging up to his true size and power. However, Mao is still a kid by demon standards, and considering how hard he had to work to get Vasa Aergun in the first place, it might be that he can only sustain the attack for a short time.



[[WMG: [[VideoGame/GrimGrimoire Lujei]] [[SoulNomad Piche]] is responsible for any {{DLC}} that involves a characters suddenly appearing in another game and having no idea how or why.]]

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[[WMG: [[VideoGame/GrimGrimoire Lujei]] [[SoulNomad [[VideoGame/SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters Piche]] is responsible for any {{DLC}} that involves a characters suddenly appearing in another game and having no idea how or why.]]



[[WMG: Asagi Kurosugi has plotted Asagi Asagiri's death ever since ''MakaiKingdom'']]

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[[WMG: Asagi Kurosugi has plotted Asagi Asagiri's death ever since ''MakaiKingdom'']]''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom'']]



* ''MakaiKingdom:'' Kurosugi tipped off Zetta that he will get his freakin' bad ass kicked by the next main character and gave him the idea that getting rid of the next main character will make him the main character for all eternity. She did not expect him to not only let Asagi live but to delay Makai Wars since she knew that she'd be next line once Asagi dies.

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* ''MakaiKingdom:'' ''VideoGame/MakaiKingdom:'' Kurosugi tipped off Zetta that he will get his freakin' bad ass kicked by the next main character and gave him the idea that getting rid of the next main character will make him the main character for all eternity. She did not expect him to not only let Asagi live but to delay Makai Wars since she knew that she'd be next line once Asagi dies.



* ''SoulNomad'': Kurosugi made Asagi believe that she had gained the power to defeat Zetta by having her fans fire the Yoshitsuna's main cannon at Zetta and blowing a dimensional gate into Haephnes. Asagi's groupies are simply Kurosugi's fans trying to make her so overconfident that she ends up dead by her ego alone.

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* ''SoulNomad'': ''VideoGame/SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters'': Kurosugi made Asagi believe that she had gained the power to defeat Zetta by having her fans fire the Yoshitsuna's main cannon at Zetta and blowing a dimensional gate into Haephnes. Asagi's groupies are simply Kurosugi's fans trying to make her so overconfident that she ends up dead by her ego alone.



* ''ZettaiHeroProject'': Kurosugi gave Asagi the idea to dress up as characters from various anime series and take their place, knowing that if she succeeded, she'd possibly be kill at some point during the run of the series due to her lack of powers of the character she's dressing up as. She never expected the Z.H.P. cast to run into her.

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* ''ZettaiHeroProject'': ''VideoGame/ZettaiHeroProject'': Kurosugi gave Asagi the idea to dress up as characters from various anime series and take their place, knowing that if she succeeded, she'd possibly be kill at some point during the run of the series due to her lack of powers of the character she's dressing up as. She never expected the Z.H.P. cast to run into her.



It was stated in ZettaiHeroProject that Valvolga killed Baal for good. I was wondering how he managed to get rid of a mass of souls that can BodySurf, until, having read a certain fanfic, I thought: suppose Valvolga found a method of striking directly at Baal's soul collection, much like how [[SoulNomad Gig]] and the reaper class monsters reap souls, and just kept at it until Baal ran out of souls, making his attempt far more successful that what Laharl's would ever become.

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It was stated in ZettaiHeroProject ''VideoGame/ZettaiHeroProject'' that Valvolga killed Baal for good. I was wondering how he managed to get rid of a mass of souls that can BodySurf, until, having read a certain fanfic, I thought: suppose Valvolga found a method of striking directly at Baal's soul collection, much like how [[SoulNomad [[VideoGame/SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters Gig]] and the reaper class monsters reap souls, and just kept at it until Baal ran out of souls, making his attempt far more successful that what Laharl's would ever become.
14th Jun '15 5:24:20 PM InfernOverlord
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** Because of [[www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvIZC6ubCU this maybe]]

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** Because of [[www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvIZC6ubCU this maybe]]
14th Jun '15 5:19:38 PM InfernOverlord
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** Because of [[www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvIZC6ubCU this maybe]]
19th Apr '15 6:30:34 PM magnum12
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----[[WMG:Rutile (physically) takes more from her father than from her mother.]]
* Barring her mane, ears, tail, and gold eyes (inherited from her mother), she's basically human in form. Rutile's small frame stems from her father being shorter than her mother. Her black hair is from her father.
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21st Mar '15 5:58:42 PM Cybersbe
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* Jossed. Disgaea 5 protagonist Killia is another male.
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