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[[WMG: The intention of the Black Org's experimental APTX production has been reverse aging all along]]
Just not to the extremely juvenile state it reduced Shinichi, Haibara, and [[spoiler:Sera's mom]] to. [[spoiler:If the boss of the Black Org genuinely is Karasuma Renya, the same 149 year old man who caused the Sunset Mansion massacre, and not some successor, then Karasuma must be ''extremely'' old. And if he hasn't found some other solution to all of the issues that come with extreme age--and given his funding for the apoptoxin experiments, the answer is 'probably not'--then he is likely suffering from AgeWithoutYouth. Either way, it's reasonable to assume that such longevity is related to Karasuma's reasons for faking his death at the age of 99 fifty years ago, which coincides with the beginning of the APTX project. As Karasuma faked his death, restoring his health by restoring his youth would arguably fit the description of "raising the dead," a phrase both Vermouth and Haibara have used to describe the Black Org's objective--Vermouth to describe the purpose of the Organization itself, and Haibara to specifically describe the purpose of APTX 4869 itself. Both were said with a hint of jest and abstraction, implying a kind of "from a certain perspective" logic, which fits with this interpretation.]]

Just not to the extremely juvenile state it reduced Shinichi, Haibara, and [[spoiler:Sera's mom]] to. [[spoiler:if the boss of the Black Org genuinely is Karasuma Renya, the same 149 year old man who caused the Sunset Mansion massacre, and not some successor, then Karasuma must be ''extremely'' old. And if he hasn't found some other solution to all of the issues that come with extreme age--and given his funding for the apoptoxin experiments, the answer is 'probably not'--then he is likely suffering from AgeWithoutYouth. Either way, it's reasonable to assume that such longevity is related to Karasuma's reasons for faking his death at the age of 99 fifty years ago, which coincides with the beginning of the APTX project. As Karasuma faked his death, restoring his health by restoring his youth would arguably fit the description of "raising the dead," a phrase both Vermouth and Haibara have used to describe the Black Org's objective--Vermouth to describe the purpose of the Organization itself, and Haibara to specifically describe the purpose of APTX 4869 itself. Both were said with a hint of jest and abstraction, implying a kind of "from a certain perspective" logic, which fits with this interpretation.]]

[[WMG: APTX was actually ''designed'' to reverse aging from the beginning]]
Just not to the extremely juvenile state it reduced Shinichi, Haibara, and [[spoiler:Sera's mom]] to. [[spoiler:if the boss of the Black Org genuinely is Karasuma Renya, the same 149 year old man who caused the Sunset Mansion massacre, and not some successor, then Karasuma must be ''extremely'' old. And if he hasn't found some other solution to all of the issues that come with extreme age--and given his funding for APTX, the answer is 'probably not'--then he is likely suffering from AgeWithoutYouth. Either way, it's reasonable to assume that such longevity is related to Karasuma's reasons for faking his death at the age of 99 fifty years ago, which coincides with the beginning of the APTX project. As Karasuma faked his death, restoring his health by restoring his youth would arguably fit the description of "raising the dead," a phrase both Vermouth and Haibara have used to describe the Black Org's objective--Vermouth to describe the purpose of the Organization itself, and Haibara to specifically describe the purpose of APTX 4869 itself. Both were said with a hint of jest and abstraction, implying a kind of "from a certain perspective" logic, which fits with this interpretation.]]

[[WMG:Gin will wind up taking APTX4869]]

[[WMG:APTX4869 is derived from Mermaid's Flesh]]

[[WMG:Sera's "Little Sister" is a victim of APTX4869]]

** It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims--since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too recent a creation for the older victims to have died from it. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from ''every'' version of the drug, especially since Shinichi is stated by Gin to be ''the'' first human test subject for APTX 4869. The idea that APTX 4869 (nicknamed "the experimental detective" because of the Sherlock pun) and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this Silver Bullet version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.

Just not to the extremely juvinile state it reduced Shinichi, Haibara, and [[spoiler:Sera's mom]] to. [[spoiler:if the boss of the Black Org genuinely is Karasuma Renya, the same 149 year old man who caused the Sunset Mansion massacre, and not some successor, then Karasuma must be ''extremely'' old. And if he hasn't found some other solution to all of the issues that come with extreme age--and given his funding for APTX, the answer is 'probably not'--then he is likely suffering from AgeWithoutYouth. Either way, it's reasonable to assume that such longevity is related to Karasuma's reasons for faking his death at the age of 99 fifty years ago, which coincides with the beginning of the APTX project. As Karasuma faked his death, restoring his health by restoring his youth would arguably fit the description of "raising the dead," a phrase both Vermouth and Haibara have used to describe the Black Org's objective--Vermouth to describe the purpose of the Organization itself, and Haibara to specifically describe the purpose of APTX 4869 itself. Both were said with a hint of jest and abstraction, implying a kind of "from a certain perspective" logic, which fits with this interpretation.]]

Wakasa Rumi appears to blind in het right eye (Burning Tent Case). Rum was described as possessing an artificial eye on one side of their face. But if Wakasa Rumi is Rum and has an artificial eye in her right eye (out of which she cannot see), then how is it that eye looks normal, she can cry out of that eye (as in Burning Tent Case), and she can move that eye in sync with her seeing one? Well, it is actually quite possible and would be a case where Gosho Aoyama DidTheResearch.

Wakasa let her name get put in the newspaper, when her name is clearly connected to ACASA RUM, which BO is paranoid about. She is perhaps worried one of the other Rums is coming after her for that, perhaps the true Rum. She may have figured out there were other Rums, all blind in one eye, but she doesn't know who they are, hence her terror at seeing other people who are or may be blind in one eye.

** Interestingly, when Wakasa had the look of hatred on her face at the suspect, Ai Haibara--who was looking away and could not have seen Wakasa's expression--apparently sensed an aura coming off of Wakasa in that moment and was terrified by it. Ai's reaction was similar to when she encountered BO members.

* Both Okiya and Akai give Haibara the chills she gets from members of the Organization.

There are either multiple Rums or one Rum and several decoys. This is why conflicting accounts were given of Rum's appearence and Ai imagined 3 sillhouettes when thinking of Rum. Wakita, Wakasa, and Kuroda are the 3 Rums. This explains why Wakasa is terrified whenever she sees another person who is blind in one eye. In the Burning Tent case, it wasn't just Kuroda who terrified her, but also one of the suspects when he said he almost needed a prosthetic eye after suffering an eye injury.

Wakasa let her name get put in the newspaper, when her name is clearly connected to ACASA RUM, which BO is paranoid about. She is perhaps worried one of tbe other Rums is coming after her for that, perhaps the true Rum. She may have figured out there were other Rums, all blind in one eye, but she doesn't know who they are, hence her terror at seeing other people who are or may be blind in one eye.

There are either multiple Rums or one Rum and several decoys. This is why conflicting accounts were given of Rum's appearence and Ai imagined 3 sillhouettes when thinking of Rum. Wakita, Wakasa, and Kuroda are the 3 Rums. This explains why Wakasa is terrified whenever she sees another person who are blind in one eye. In the Burning Tent case, it wasn't just Kuroda who terrified her, but also one of the suspects when he said he almost needed a prosthetic eye after suffering an eye injury.

** It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims--since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too young for the older victims to have died from it. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from ''every'' version of the drug, especially since Shinichi is stated by Gin to be ''the'' first human test subject for APTX 4869. The idea that APTX 4869 (nicknamed "the experimental detective" because of the Sherlock pun) and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this Silver Bullet version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.

** It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims--since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too young for the older victims to have died from it. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from ''every'' version of the drug, especially since Shinichi is implied by Gin and Haibara to be one of, if not ''the,'' first human test subjects of 4869. The idea that APTX 4869 (nicknamed "the experimental detective" because of the Sherlock pun) and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this Silver Bullet version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.

** It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims--since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too young for the older victims to have died from it. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from ''every'' version of the drug, especially since Shinichi is implied by Gin and Haibara to be one of, if not ''the,'' first human test subjects of 4869. The idea that APTX 4869 (nicknamed "the experimental detective" because of the Sherlock pun) and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. In fact, the timeline seems to support this: we know that Haibara is 18 and that her parents died when she was too little for her to remember them, so her mother left her tape recordings. Right before her death, Haibara's mother was working on the "Silver Bullet," a "terrifying drug" - placing the creation of the Silver Bullet around 17 years ago. From there we know that Haibara was the next person to work on the drug, explaining why Kohji is right before Shinichi - Kohji was the last person to be force-fed the "Silver Bullet"; Shinchi is the first to have ingested the "Experimental Detective" (and presumably others followed). This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this Silver Bullet version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.

** It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims--since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too young for the older victims to have died from it. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from ''every'' version of the drug, especially since Shinichi is implied by Gin and Haibara to be one of, if not ''the,'' first human test subjects of 4869. The idea that APTX 4869 (nicknamed "the experimental detective" because of the Sherlock pun) and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.

* Or, maybe Toichi is secretly [[spoiler:one of the identities Karasuma Renya assumed after he presumably faked his death 50 years ago.]] For a character associated with doves, it's pretty strange for the family's last name to be "Black Feather" and for somebody to set up a crow-themed Kaitou using Toichi's identity. '''Especially''' since Aoyama has gone out of his way to ''only'' use crow symbolism to foreshadow connections with the Black Org. Why align the Kurobas with the color black and crows, when Kid wears white and is associated with doves? [[spoiler:We do know, however, that Karasuma was super into crows; he used it as his symbol and themed his organization after them. Considering his symbol matches his name, it's believable he might do the same with one of the identities he assumed. And we ''do'' know Toichi was seeking a source of immortality just like the Organization seems to be]]. In which case, Toichi not being the boss could be a mere "from a certain perspective" kind of thing, because [[spoiler:"Karasuma Renya"]] is the true identity of the Boss, not "Kuroba Toichi." Of course, this theory could be made or broke by the circumstances surrounding the [[spoiler:Sunset Mansion Massacre and how Karasuma has managed to live for over 150 years]], two events which seem to be intimately related to the creation of the Black Org itself.

* Or, maybe Toichi is secretly [[spoiler:one of the identities Karasuma Renya assumed after he faked his death 50 years ago.]] For a character associated with doves, it's pretty strange for the family's last name to be "Black Feather" and for somebody to set up a crow-themed Kaitou using Toichi's identity. '''Especially''' since Aoyama has gone out of his way to ''only'' use crow symbolism to foreshadow connections with the Black Org. Why align the Kurobas with the color black and crows, when Kid wears white and is associated with doves? [[spoiler:We do know, however, that Karasuma was super into crows; he used it as his symbol and themed his organization after them. Considering his symbol matches his name, it's believable he might do the same with one of the identities he assumed. And we ''do'' know Toichi was seeking a source of immortality just like the Organization seems to be]]. In which case, Toichi not being the boss could be a mere "from a certain perspective" kind of thing, because [[spoiler:"Karasuma Renya"]] is the true identity of the Boss, not "Kuroba Toichi." Of course, this theory could be made or broke by the circumstances surrounding the [[spoiler:Sunset Mansion Massacre and how Karasuma has managed to live for over 150 years]], two events which seem to be intimately related to the creation of the Black Org itself.

* Or, maybe Toichi is secretly [{spoiler:one of the identities Karasuma Renya assumed after he faked his death 50 years ago.]] For a character associated with doves, it's pretty strange for the family's last name to be "Black Feather" and for somebody to set up a crow-themed Kaitou using Toichi's identity. '''Especially''' since Aoyama has gone out of his way to ''only'' use crow symbolism to foreshadow connections with the Black Org. Why align the Kurobas with the color black and crows, when Kid wears white and is associated with doves? [[spoiler:We do know, however, that Karasuma was super into crows; he used it as his symbol and themed his organization after them. Considering his symbol matches his name, it's believable he might do the same with one of the identities he assumed. And we ''do'' know Toichi was seeking a source of immortality just like the Organization seems to be]]. In which case, Toichi not being the boss could be a mere "from a certain perspective" kind of thing, because [[spoiler:"Karasuma Renya"]] is the true identity of the Boss, not "Kuroba Toichi."

** It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims--since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too young for the older victims to have died from it. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from ''every'' version of the drug. The idea that APTX 4869 (nicknamed "the experimental detective" because of the Sherlock pun) and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.