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* For the Eliksni, this may or may not implicate Eramis - likely being the one to be the first Eliksni Risen, if the apparent direction of the story is any indication. Barring that, she will be directly or indirectly responsible for the death of the Eliksni that gets chosen.
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* For the Eliksni, this may or may not implicate Eramis - likely being the one to be the first Eliksni Risen, if the apparent direction of the story is any indication. Barring that, she will be directly or indirectly responsible for the death of the Eliksni that gets chosen.chosen.
[[WMG: ''Season of the Deep'' will involve Xivu Ararth finally showing up in person]].]]
[[WMG: ''Season of the Deep'' will involve Xivu Ararth finally showing up in person]].]]
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** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of week 6, he was a captain of his own crew.]]
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** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of week 6, he was a captain of his own crew.]]]]
[[WMG:Some future storylines may deal in Risen allies of humanity that are non-human.]]
* For the allies in the Hive, this would involve some of the Lucent brood deciding to defect from Savathun's/Immaru's army. We've already seen the beginnings of this with Fynch choosing to side with us rather than with Immaru.
* For the Eliksni, this may or may not implicate Eramis - likely being the one to be the first Eliksni Risen, if the apparent direction of the story is any indication. Barring that, she will be directly or indirectly responsible for the death of the Eliksni that gets chosen.
[[WMG:Some future storylines may deal in Risen allies of humanity that are non-human.]]
* For the allies in the Hive, this would involve some of the Lucent brood deciding to defect from Savathun's/Immaru's army. We've already seen the beginnings of this with Fynch choosing to side with us rather than with Immaru.
* For the Eliksni, this may or may not implicate Eramis - likely being the one to be the first Eliksni Risen, if the apparent direction of the story is any indication. Barring that, she will be directly or indirectly responsible for the death of the Eliksni that gets chosen.
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* This is a continuation of the popular and now confirmed "Darkness-Subclasses" WMG. It has been revealed that there will be a new element called Stasis, which gives you [[AnIcePerson ice powers]]. Now take a look at the previously available elements, [[PlayingWithFire Solar]], [[ShockAndAwe Arc]] and [[PowerOfTheVoid Void]]. These are Light-based elements, given it is the Light which gives you these powers, but they have one thing in common: They all are a manifestation of some form of Energy, respectively [[ILoveNuclearPower nuclear]], [[MagnetismManipulation electromagnetic]] and [[GravityMaster gravitational]] energy (gravity is a force, not a form of energy, [[ArtisticLicensePhysics but that's beside the point]]). Ice, on the other hand, and by proxy Stasis, is ''the lack of energy.'' This difference is one of the things that signifies its ties to the Darkness instead of the Light. Other Darkness-based Elements and Subclasses will also be represented by a lack of energy. What might those be? Well, this is where other Tropers might be better at coming up with something clever than myself. The only thing I could think of is "Vacuum", i.e. a space with no matter and no air, and no matter = no energy. How "a lack of air" will translate to wind powers is beyond even me.
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* This is a continuation of the popular and now confirmed "Darkness-Subclasses" WMG. It has been revealed that there will be a new element called Stasis, which gives you [[AnIcePerson ice powers]]. Now take a look at the previously available elements, [[PlayingWithFire Solar]], [[ShockAndAwe Arc]] and [[PowerOfTheVoid Void]]. These are Light-based elements, given it is the Light which gives you these powers, but they have one thing in common: They all are a manifestation of some form of Energy, respectively [[ILoveNuclearPower nuclear]], nuclear, [[MagnetismManipulation electromagnetic]] and [[GravityMaster gravitational]] energy (gravity is a force, not a form of energy, [[ArtisticLicensePhysics but that's beside the point]]). Ice, on the other hand, and by proxy Stasis, is ''the lack of energy.'' This difference is one of the things that signifies its ties to the Darkness instead of the Light. Other Darkness-based Elements and Subclasses will also be represented by a lack of energy. What might those be? Well, this is where other Tropers might be better at coming up with something clever than myself. The only thing I could think of is "Vacuum", i.e. a space with no matter and no air, and no matter = no energy. How "a lack of air" will translate to wind powers is beyond even me.
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** [[spoiler: Seemingly jossed in Season of the Plunder, sense the main plot being collecting his entombed body parts. Unless the vanguard finds a way to resurrect him]]
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* It would certainly explain why their return under Eramis has put him so on edge.
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** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of week 6, he was a captain of his own crew.]]
** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of week 6, he was a captain of his own crew.]]
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* A god of pain wouldn't want the universe to end lest they be deprived of that domain in a lifeless world, hence why he's not present in the Witness's ranks anymore. But it would still be in his interest to keep a good conflict going to prolong the suffering of those still alive. Perhaps instead of a full-on HeelFaceTurn as the rampant speculation talks about, he'll pull random things that help ''and'' hinder the Guardians for no agenda but his own, perhaps becoming TheSpook on a cosmic scale without a way for the story to pivot towards reasoning with or destroying him.
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* A god of pain wouldn't want the universe to end lest they be deprived of that domain in a lifeless world, hence why he's not present in the Witness's ranks anymore. But it would still be in his interest to keep a good conflict going to prolong the suffering of those still alive. Perhaps instead of a full-on HeelFaceTurn as the rampant speculation talks about, he'll pull random things that help ''and'' hinder the Guardians for no agenda but his own, perhaps becoming TheSpook on a cosmic scale without a way for the story to pivot towards reasoning with or destroying him.him.
[[WMG:Mithrax once ran with the Old Crews]]
* It would certainly explain why their return under Eramis has put him so on edge.
[[WMG:Mithrax once ran with the Old Crews]]
* It would certainly explain why their return under Eramis has put him so on edge.
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* From the ARG, it seems the Darkness is ultimately a force of nostalgia and being defined by your past to NeverBeHurtAgain, while the Light is about abandoning your past to reach for a better future. Oryx made his DealWithTheDevil to save the Krill, and as shown by the Warpriest, he never actually stopped wanting to cure the hunger so that the Hive would not destroy itself after becoming the rulers of the universe. Quite simply, [[EvilVirtues he had too much hope for a better future]], which would result in the Witness' StrawNihilist ideology being something he'd be disgusted by. He ''would'', however, [[EvilerThanThou be an excellent choice for a successor to the Witness]], since his Final Shape of "utopia" rather than "death" would likely win Disciples of his own if he figured it out.
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* From the ARG, it seems the Darkness is ultimately a force of nostalgia and being defined by your past to NeverBeHurtAgain, while the Light is about abandoning your past to reach for a better future. Oryx made his DealWithTheDevil to save the Krill, and as shown by the Warpriest, he never actually stopped wanting to cure the hunger so that the Hive would not destroy itself after becoming the rulers of the universe. Quite simply, [[EvilVirtues he had too much hope for a better future]], which would result in the Witness' StrawNihilist ideology being something he'd be disgusted by. He ''would'', however, [[EvilerThanThou be an excellent choice for a successor to the Witness]], since his Final Shape of "utopia" rather than "death" would likely win Disciples of his own if he figured it out.out.
[[WMG:Nezarec will be the WildCard of the ''Light and Darkness Saga'' endgame, rather than a clear-cut hero or villain.]]
* A god of pain wouldn't want the universe to end lest they be deprived of that domain in a lifeless world, hence why he's not present in the Witness's ranks anymore. But it would still be in his interest to keep a good conflict going to prolong the suffering of those still alive. Perhaps instead of a full-on HeelFaceTurn as the rampant speculation talks about, he'll pull random things that help ''and'' hinder the Guardians for no agenda but his own, perhaps becoming TheSpook on a cosmic scale without a way for the story to pivot towards reasoning with or destroying him.
[[WMG:Nezarec will be the WildCard of the ''Light and Darkness Saga'' endgame, rather than a clear-cut hero or villain.]]
* A god of pain wouldn't want the universe to end lest they be deprived of that domain in a lifeless world, hence why he's not present in the Witness's ranks anymore. But it would still be in his interest to keep a good conflict going to prolong the suffering of those still alive. Perhaps instead of a full-on HeelFaceTurn as the rampant speculation talks about, he'll pull random things that help ''and'' hinder the Guardians for no agenda but his own, perhaps becoming TheSpook on a cosmic scale without a way for the story to pivot towards reasoning with or destroying him.
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* From the ARG, it seems the Darkness is ultimately a force of nostalgia and being defined by your past to NeverBeHurtAgain, while the Light is about abandoning your past to reach for a better future. Oryx made his DealWithTheDarkness to save the Krill, and as shown by the Warpriest, he never actually stopped wanting to cure the hunger so that the Hive would not destroy itself after becoming the rulers of the universe. Quite simply, [[EvilVirtues he had too much hope for a better future]], which would result in the Witness' StrawNihilism being something he'd be disgusted by. He ''would'', however, [[EvilerThanThou be an excellent choice for a successor to the Witness]], since his Final Shape of "utopia" rather than "death" would likely win Disciples of his own if he figured it out.
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* From the ARG, it seems the Darkness is ultimately a force of nostalgia and being defined by your past to NeverBeHurtAgain, while the Light is about abandoning your past to reach for a better future. Oryx made his DealWithTheDarkness DealWithTheDevil to save the Krill, and as shown by the Warpriest, he never actually stopped wanting to cure the hunger so that the Hive would not destroy itself after becoming the rulers of the universe. Quite simply, [[EvilVirtues he had too much hope for a better future]], which would result in the Witness' StrawNihilism StrawNihilist ideology being something he'd be disgusted by. He ''would'', however, [[EvilerThanThou be an excellent choice for a successor to the Witness]], since his Final Shape of "utopia" rather than "death" would likely win Disciples of his own if he figured it out.
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* Both are independent people raised by the respective forces, but act in ways that oppose the teachings of the entity behind their powers. The Warlords steal, murder innocents, and enforce feudalism for sport against the Traveler's hopes that the Light would be used to protect humanity, and [[spoiler:the Witness and Rhulk]] enjoy waxing nihilistic philosophy and bringing about the end of all existence by force, two things the Darkness as an entity would much rather ''not'' do. For one, the StrawNihilist persona ''bores'' it, and the core of its teachings is that the Final Shape ''comes naturally'', even if it really is nothing at all, as forcing it implies the universe ''doesn't'' have to end in whatever the Final Shape truly is (and would thus vindicate the Traveler.)
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* Both are independent people raised by the respective forces, but act in ways that oppose the teachings of the entity behind their powers. The Warlords steal, murder innocents, and enforce feudalism for sport against the Traveler's hopes that the Light would be used to protect humanity, and [[spoiler:the Witness and Rhulk]] enjoy waxing nihilistic philosophy and bringing about the end of all existence by force, two things the Darkness as an entity would much rather ''not'' do. For one, the StrawNihilist persona ''bores'' it, and the core of its teachings is that the Final Shape ''comes naturally'', even if it really is nothing at all, as forcing it implies the universe ''doesn't'' have to end in whatever the Final Shape truly is (and would thus vindicate the Traveler.))
[[WMG:Oryx could never be a Disciple of the Witness]]
* From the ARG, it seems the Darkness is ultimately a force of nostalgia and being defined by your past to NeverBeHurtAgain, while the Light is about abandoning your past to reach for a better future. Oryx made his DealWithTheDarkness to save the Krill, and as shown by the Warpriest, he never actually stopped wanting to cure the hunger so that the Hive would not destroy itself after becoming the rulers of the universe. Quite simply, [[EvilVirtues he had too much hope for a better future]], which would result in the Witness' StrawNihilism being something he'd be disgusted by. He ''would'', however, [[EvilerThanThou be an excellent choice for a successor to the Witness]], since his Final Shape of "utopia" rather than "death" would likely win Disciples of his own if he figured it out.
[[WMG:Oryx could never be a Disciple of the Witness]]
* From the ARG, it seems the Darkness is ultimately a force of nostalgia and being defined by your past to NeverBeHurtAgain, while the Light is about abandoning your past to reach for a better future. Oryx made his DealWithTheDarkness to save the Krill, and as shown by the Warpriest, he never actually stopped wanting to cure the hunger so that the Hive would not destroy itself after becoming the rulers of the universe. Quite simply, [[EvilVirtues he had too much hope for a better future]], which would result in the Witness' StrawNihilism being something he'd be disgusted by. He ''would'', however, [[EvilerThanThou be an excellent choice for a successor to the Witness]], since his Final Shape of "utopia" rather than "death" would likely win Disciples of his own if he figured it out.
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* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should be useless metal held together and allowed to function as machinery by the Light and Darkness respectively, and are both controlled through the user telling them what to do through sheer force of will. It would be a wasted opportunity to not see it at least do battle with a Pyramid Scale or whatever other autonomous forces can be made from the Black Fleet or its cityscapes.
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* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should be useless metal held together and allowed to function as machinery by the Light and Darkness respectively, and are both controlled through the user telling them what to do through sheer force of will. It would be a wasted opportunity to not see it at least do battle with a Pyramid Scale or whatever other autonomous forces can be made from the Black Fleet or its cityscapes.cityscapes.
[[WMG: The true masterminds of the Black Fleet are the Darkness equivalent of Warlords.]]
* Both are independent people raised by the respective forces, but act in ways that oppose the teachings of the entity behind their powers. The Warlords steal, murder innocents, and enforce feudalism for sport against the Traveler's hopes that the Light would be used to protect humanity, and [[spoiler:the Witness and Rhulk]] enjoy waxing nihilistic philosophy and bringing about the end of all existence by force, two things the Darkness as an entity would much rather ''not'' do. For one, the StrawNihilist persona ''bores'' it, and the core of its teachings is that the Final Shape ''comes naturally'', even if it really is nothing at all, as forcing it implies the universe ''doesn't'' have to end in whatever the Final Shape truly is (and would thus vindicate the Traveler.)
[[WMG: The true masterminds of the Black Fleet are the Darkness equivalent of Warlords.]]
* Both are independent people raised by the respective forces, but act in ways that oppose the teachings of the entity behind their powers. The Warlords steal, murder innocents, and enforce feudalism for sport against the Traveler's hopes that the Light would be used to protect humanity, and [[spoiler:the Witness and Rhulk]] enjoy waxing nihilistic philosophy and bringing about the end of all existence by force, two things the Darkness as an entity would much rather ''not'' do. For one, the StrawNihilist persona ''bores'' it, and the core of its teachings is that the Final Shape ''comes naturally'', even if it really is nothing at all, as forcing it implies the universe ''doesn't'' have to end in whatever the Final Shape truly is (and would thus vindicate the Traveler.)
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[[WMG: The Radiant Accipiter will be relevant to the battle against [[spoiler:the Witness and their underlings eventually]].]]
* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should be scrap metal held together and allowed to function as machinery by the Light and Darkness respectively, and are both controlled through the user telling them what to do through sheer force of will. It would be a wasted opportunity to not see it at least do battle with a Pyramid Scale or whatever other autonomous forces can be made from the Black Fleet or its cityscapes.
* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should be scrap metal held together and allowed to function as machinery by the Light and Darkness respectively, and are both controlled through the user telling them what to do through sheer force of will. It would be a wasted opportunity to not see it at least do battle with a Pyramid Scale or whatever other autonomous forces can be made from the Black Fleet or its cityscapes.
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[[WMG: The Radiant Accipiter will will, in time, be relevant to the battle against [[spoiler:the Witness and their underlings eventually]].]]
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* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should bescrap useless metal held together and allowed to function as machinery by the Light and Darkness respectively, and are both controlled through the user telling them what to do through sheer force of will. It would be a wasted opportunity to not see it at least do battle with a Pyramid Scale or whatever other autonomous forces can be made from the Black Fleet or its cityscapes.
* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should be
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The Collector's Edition book mentions a new movement of Ghosts who are looking to recognize the Hive as oppressed underclassmen that need to be liberated, now that the Books of Sorrow are public records. Suddenly, the idea that Savathun won't have to ''steal'' the Light and everything else that makes a Guardian becomes so much more likely...
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* The Collector's Edition book mentions a new movement of Ghosts who are looking to recognize the Hive as oppressed underclassmen that need to be liberated, now that the Books of Sorrow are public records. Suddenly, the idea that Savathun won't have to ''steal'' the Light and everything else that makes a Guardian becomes so much more likely...likely...
** Confirmed as the expansion's FirstEpisodeTwist.
[[WMG: The Radiant Accipiter will be relevant to the battle against [[spoiler:the Witness and their underlings eventually]].]]
* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should be scrap metal held together and allowed to function as machinery by the Light and Darkness respectively, and are both controlled through the user telling them what to do through sheer force of will. It would be a wasted opportunity to not see it at least do battle with a Pyramid Scale or whatever other autonomous forces can be made from the Black Fleet or its cityscapes.
** Confirmed as the expansion's FirstEpisodeTwist.
[[WMG: The Radiant Accipiter will be relevant to the battle against [[spoiler:the Witness and their underlings eventually]].]]
* Thematically, the ship is a great mirror to the Black Fleet's technology - both are essentially solid hunks of what should be scrap metal held together and allowed to function as machinery by the Light and Darkness respectively, and are both controlled through the user telling them what to do through sheer force of will. It would be a wasted opportunity to not see it at least do battle with a Pyramid Scale or whatever other autonomous forces can be made from the Black Fleet or its cityscapes.
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** Theory #2a: The crystals growing out of Wilhelm-7's corpse (chasis?) are a result of him not finding any more cursed engrams, and letting "Burdened by Riches" expire.
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** Theory #2a: The crystals growing out of Wilhelm-7's corpse (chasis?) are a result of him not finding any more cursed engrams, and letting "Burdened by Riches" expire.expire.
[[WMG: The central twist of ''The Witch Queen'' is that [[CivilWar the Ghosts simply wanted to do it]].]]
The Collector's Edition book mentions a new movement of Ghosts who are looking to recognize the Hive as oppressed underclassmen that need to be liberated, now that the Books of Sorrow are public records. Suddenly, the idea that Savathun won't have to ''steal'' the Light and everything else that makes a Guardian becomes so much more likely...
[[WMG: The central twist of ''The Witch Queen'' is that [[CivilWar the Ghosts simply wanted to do it]].]]
The Collector's Edition book mentions a new movement of Ghosts who are looking to recognize the Hive as oppressed underclassmen that need to be liberated, now that the Books of Sorrow are public records. Suddenly, the idea that Savathun won't have to ''steal'' the Light and everything else that makes a Guardian becomes so much more likely...
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** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Hope are the antithesis to this - they are more or less the weapon version of a Guardian, weapons that are born again in the Light. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.
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** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Hope are the antithesis to this - they are more or less the weapon version of a Guardian, weapons that are born again in the Light. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.boost.
[[WMG: The Grasp of Avarice]]
* Theory #1: The crystals and the "cursed engrams", as referred to by Bungie, are one and the same; this is supported by Shaw Han's intro dialogue, which features him showing the player what looks to be a shard of an engram, which by normal engram physics, should be impossible, as engrams should simply decompile. Completely blank white engrams litter several areas within the dungeon, and the active ones both debuff you and are drained by the large crystals in each encounter, killing you if you fail to bleed your stacks in time.
* Theory #2: The cursed engrams and their associated debuff "Burdened by Riches" are paracausal in nature, in a more eldritch way; Wilhelm-7 and his fireteam were all driven to madness by delving deeper and collecting more and more cursed engrams until they either died or killed each other. Collectors are driven to collect more both by a sense of impending death and the recharge of all abilities with every 10 collected.
** Theory #2a: The crystals growing out of Wilhelm-7's corpse (chasis?) are a result of him not finding any more cursed engrams, and letting "Burdened by Riches" expire.
[[WMG: The Grasp of Avarice]]
* Theory #1: The crystals and the "cursed engrams", as referred to by Bungie, are one and the same; this is supported by Shaw Han's intro dialogue, which features him showing the player what looks to be a shard of an engram, which by normal engram physics, should be impossible, as engrams should simply decompile. Completely blank white engrams litter several areas within the dungeon, and the active ones both debuff you and are drained by the large crystals in each encounter, killing you if you fail to bleed your stacks in time.
* Theory #2: The cursed engrams and their associated debuff "Burdened by Riches" are paracausal in nature, in a more eldritch way; Wilhelm-7 and his fireteam were all driven to madness by delving deeper and collecting more and more cursed engrams until they either died or killed each other. Collectors are driven to collect more both by a sense of impending death and the recharge of all abilities with every 10 collected.
** Theory #2a: The crystals growing out of Wilhelm-7's corpse (chasis?) are a result of him not finding any more cursed engrams, and letting "Burdened by Riches" expire.
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** [[spoiler: Confirmed. And when the situation failed to boil over, Lakshmi decided to take matters into her own hands and open a Vex portal in the middle of the Eliksni Quarter, hoping to space them all. She instead got an armada of Vex, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard who proceeded to shoot her dead]].]]
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*** The Thorn - A hand cannon made by grafting the bones of a Hive Knight onto the frame of the Rose. Has the ability to drain one's Light, which translates to a \DoT effect upon hit.
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*** The Thorn - A hand cannon made by grafting the bones of a Hive Knight onto the frame of the Rose. Has the ability to drain one's Light, which translates to a \DoT [=DoT=] effect upon hit.
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*** The Thorn - A hand cannon made by grafting the bones of a Hive Knight onto the frame of the Rose. Has the ability to drain one's Light, which translates to a DoT effect upon hit.
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*** The Thorn - A hand cannon made by grafting the bones of a Hive Knight onto the frame of the Rose. Has the ability to drain one's Light, which translates to a DoT \DoT effect upon hit.
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** The Weapons of Sorrow are Guardian weapons created or otherwise modified by and infused with the Darkness that follow the rule of the Sword Logic, in their creation and their effects. So far, we have two confirmed Weapons of Sorrow:
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** The Weapons of Sorrow are Guardian weapons created or otherwise modified by and infused with the Darkness that follow the rule of the Sword Logic, in their creation and their effects. Put another way, they are weapons that have "fallen to the Darkness," so to speak. So far, we have two confirmed Weapons of Sorrow:
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** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Hope are the antithesis to this - Guardian weapons that are modified by and infused with the Light, boosting the Light of its wielder and others. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.
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** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Hope are the antithesis to this - Guardian they are more or less the weapon version of a Guardian, weapons that are modified by and infused with born again in the Light, boosting the Light of its wielder and others.Light. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.
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** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Light are the antithesis to this - Guardian weapons that are modified by and infused with the Light, boosting the Light of its wielder and others. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.
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** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Light Hope are the antithesis to this - Guardian weapons that are modified by and infused with the Light, boosting the Light of its wielder and others. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.
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** The Weapons of Sorrow are Guardian weapons created or otherwise modified using the Darkness that follow the rule of the Sword Logic, in their creation and their effects. So far, we have two confirmed Weapons of Sorrow:
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** The Weapons of Sorrow are Guardian weapons created or otherwise modified using by and infused with the Darkness that follow the rule of the Sword Logic, in their creation and their effects. So far, we have two confirmed Weapons of Sorrow:
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*** The Necrochasm - An Auto Rifle that is an empowered by killing numerous Hive and infused with Crota's essence. Has the ability to curse those it kills, translating into enemies exploding like cursed Thrall.
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*** The Necrochasm - An Auto Rifle that is an was empowered by killing numerous Hive and infused with Crota's essence. Has the ability to curse those it kills, translating into enemies exploding like cursed Thrall.Thrall.
** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Light are the antithesis to this - Guardian weapons that are modified by and infused with the Light, boosting the Light of its wielder and others. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.
** From this, we can assume that the Weapons of Light are the antithesis to this - Guardian weapons that are modified by and infused with the Light, boosting the Light of its wielder and others. So far, the only known member of this classification is the Lumina - Formed by effectively "redeeming" the original Thorn and cleansing it of corruption, before promptly infusing it with Light. Has the ability to heal and boost the Light of others, which translates to healing and a weapon damage boost.
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** Adding to this, Stochastic Variable reveals that part of Lakshmi's vision includes Asher Mir returning, and crying out "those FWC traitors" - perhaps a ''very'' critical detail Lakshmi is conveniently omitting for her own agenda.
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** Adding to this, Stochastic Variable reveals that part of Lakshmi's vision includes Asher Mir returning, and crying out "those FWC traitors" - perhaps a ''very'' critical detail Lakshmi is conveniently omitting for her own agenda.agenda.
[[WMG: Lumina and the Weapons of Hope.]]
* The questline to obtain the Lumina is called "a Weapon of Hope." From this, it can be inferred that the Lumina is the first, and so far, '''only''' Weapon of Hope. In order to understand what a Weapon of Hope is, however, we first have to go over the Weapons of Sorrow.
**The Weapons of Sorrow are Guardian weapons created or otherwise modified using the Darkness that follow the rule of the Sword Logic, in their creation and their effects. So far, we have two confirmed Weapons of Sorrow:
*** The Thorn - A hand cannon made by grafting the bones of a Hive Knight onto the frame of the Rose. Has the ability to drain one's Light, which translates to a DoT effect upon hit.
*** The Necrochasm - An Auto Rifle that is an empowered by killing numerous Hive and infused with Crota's essence. Has the ability to curse those it kills, translating into enemies exploding like cursed Thrall.
[[WMG: Lumina and the Weapons of Hope.]]
* The questline to obtain the Lumina is called "a Weapon of Hope." From this, it can be inferred that the Lumina is the first, and so far, '''only''' Weapon of Hope. In order to understand what a Weapon of Hope is, however, we first have to go over the Weapons of Sorrow.
**The Weapons of Sorrow are Guardian weapons created or otherwise modified using the Darkness that follow the rule of the Sword Logic, in their creation and their effects. So far, we have two confirmed Weapons of Sorrow:
*** The Thorn - A hand cannon made by grafting the bones of a Hive Knight onto the frame of the Rose. Has the ability to drain one's Light, which translates to a DoT effect upon hit.
*** The Necrochasm - An Auto Rifle that is an empowered by killing numerous Hive and infused with Crota's essence. Has the ability to curse those it kills, translating into enemies exploding like cursed Thrall.
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* She believes that the House of Light will be the cause of a major, disastrous conflict in the City, but in truth, it will be her own fault. Due to the [=FWC's=] actions, eventually a large enough group of civilains (and possibly even Guardians) will become radicalized enough to stage an armed uprising against the Vanguard, demanding that the House of Light be expelled from the City and the standoff ultimately leading to a firefight. For an added dose of irony and SelfFulfillingProphecy, it will be Mithrax and the House of Light that ultimately help resolve the crisis, which explains why Lakshmi saw him and his House at the "heart" of the conflict in her visions.
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* She believes that the House of Light will be the cause of a major, disastrous conflict in the City, but in truth, it will be her own fault. Due to the [=FWC's=] actions, eventually a large enough group of civilains (and possibly even Guardians) will become radicalized enough to stage an armed uprising against the Vanguard, demanding that the House of Light be expelled from the City and the standoff ultimately leading to a firefight. For an added dose of irony and SelfFulfillingProphecy, it will be Mithrax and the House of Light that ultimately help resolve the crisis, which explains why Lakshmi saw him and his House at the "heart" of the conflict in her visions.visions.
** Adding to this, Stochastic Variable reveals that part of Lakshmi's vision includes Asher Mir returning, and crying out "those FWC traitors" - perhaps a ''very'' critical detail Lakshmi is conveniently omitting for her own agenda.
** Adding to this, Stochastic Variable reveals that part of Lakshmi's vision includes Asher Mir returning, and crying out "those FWC traitors" - perhaps a ''very'' critical detail Lakshmi is conveniently omitting for her own agenda.
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She believes that the House of Light will be the cause of a major, disastrous conflict in the City, but in truth, it will be her own fault. Due to the [=FWC's=] actions, eventually a large enough group of civilains (and possibly even Guardians) will become radicalized enough to stage an armed uprising against the Vanguard, demanding that the House of Light be expelled from the City and the standoff ultimately leading to a firefight. For an added dose of irony and SelfFulfillingProphecy, it will be Mithrax and the House of Light that ultimately help resolve the crisis, which explains why Lakshmi saw him and his House at the "heart" of the conflict in her visions.
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* She believes that the House of Light will be the cause of a major, disastrous conflict in the City, but in truth, it will be her own fault. Due to the [=FWC's=] actions, eventually a large enough group of civilains (and possibly even Guardians) will become radicalized enough to stage an armed uprising against the Vanguard, demanding that the House of Light be expelled from the City and the standoff ultimately leading to a firefight. For an added dose of irony and SelfFulfillingProphecy, it will be Mithrax and the House of Light that ultimately help resolve the crisis, which explains why Lakshmi saw him and his House at the "heart" of the conflict in her visions.
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* Counter theory to the Above one, Vault of Glass is coming back in Season 14 and Venus is not with it. While the reason most likely being development cost, the real reason could be that they are saving it for the Witch Queen. Savathun would be interested in the bounty of Golden Age knowledge harvested in the Isthar Sink, as well as The Vault of Glass itself, The Oracles nested inside could allow her to defy fate like Guardians can.
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* Counter theory to the Above one, Vault of Glass is coming back in Season 14 and Venus is not with it. While the reason most likely being development cost, the real reason could be that they are saving it for the Witch Queen. Savathun would be interested in the bounty of Golden Age knowledge harvested in the Isthar Sink, as well as The Vault of Glass itself, The Oracles nested inside could allow her to defy fate like Guardians can.can.
[[WMG: The "internal war" Lakshmi-2 has foreseen will be of her own making]]
She believes that the House of Light will be the cause of a major, disastrous conflict in the City, but in truth, it will be her own fault. Due to the [=FWC's=] actions, eventually a large enough group of civilains (and possibly even Guardians) will become radicalized enough to stage an armed uprising against the Vanguard, demanding that the House of Light be expelled from the City and the standoff ultimately leading to a firefight. For an added dose of irony and SelfFulfillingProphecy, it will be Mithrax and the House of Light that ultimately help resolve the crisis, which explains why Lakshmi saw him and his House at the "heart" of the conflict in her visions.
[[WMG: The "internal war" Lakshmi-2 has foreseen will be of her own making]]
She believes that the House of Light will be the cause of a major, disastrous conflict in the City, but in truth, it will be her own fault. Due to the [=FWC's=] actions, eventually a large enough group of civilains (and possibly even Guardians) will become radicalized enough to stage an armed uprising against the Vanguard, demanding that the House of Light be expelled from the City and the standoff ultimately leading to a firefight. For an added dose of irony and SelfFulfillingProphecy, it will be Mithrax and the House of Light that ultimately help resolve the crisis, which explains why Lakshmi saw him and his House at the "heart" of the conflict in her visions.
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* It's a theory that has been circulating for a while now, but Savathun has good reason. [[spoiler: she wants to access the Distributary, the Awoken homeworld where time is diluted, the dstriburtary exists in a Black Hole created by the clash between light and dark]] we knows that the Graviton Lance was found in the Chicago Subway tunnels, a gun that creates Black Holes, perhaps the Graviton Lance is just a taste of the real experiments done in Old Chicago
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* It's a theory that has been circulating for a while now, but Savathun has good reason. [[spoiler: she wants to access the Distributary, the Awoken homeworld where time is diluted, the dstriburtary exists in a Black Hole created by the clash between light and dark]] we knows that the Graviton Lance was found in the Chicago Subway tunnels, a gun that creates Black Holes, perhaps the Graviton Lance is just a taste of the real experiments done in Old ChicagoChicago
[[WMG: The Witch Queen Will Take Place on Venus]]
* Counter theory to the Above one, Vault of Glass is coming back in Season 14 and Venus is not with it. While the reason most likely being development cost, the real reason could be that they are saving it for the Witch Queen. Savathun would be interested in the bounty of Golden Age knowledge harvested in the Isthar Sink, as well as The Vault of Glass itself, The Oracles nested inside could allow her to defy fate like Guardians can.
[[WMG: The Witch Queen Will Take Place on Venus]]
* Counter theory to the Above one, Vault of Glass is coming back in Season 14 and Venus is not with it. While the reason most likely being development cost, the real reason could be that they are saving it for the Witch Queen. Savathun would be interested in the bounty of Golden Age knowledge harvested in the Isthar Sink, as well as The Vault of Glass itself, The Oracles nested inside could allow her to defy fate like Guardians can.
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* It's a theory that has been circulating for a while now, but Savathun has good reason. [[spoiler: she wants to access the Distributary, the Awoken homeworld where time is diluted, the dstriburtary exists in a Black Hole created by the clash between light and dark]] we knows that the Graviton Lance was found in the Chicago Subway tunnels, a gun that creates Black Holes, perhaps their is something else at work here.
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* It's a theory that has been circulating for a while now, but Savathun has good reason. [[spoiler: she wants to access the Distributary, the Awoken homeworld where time is diluted, the dstriburtary exists in a Black Hole created by the clash between light and dark]] we knows that the Graviton Lance was found in the Chicago Subway tunnels, a gun that creates Black Holes, perhaps their the Graviton Lance is something else at work here.just a taste of the real experiments done in Old Chicago
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* Beyond Light says "normal" Exos are made with a combo of Vex stuff and Darkness. Ada clearly works differently. It's likely the Black Armory figured out how to use Light to make Exos, but for obvious reasons, were only able to use the process on her
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* Beyond Light says "normal" Exos are made with a combo of Vex stuff and Darkness. Ada clearly works differently. It's likely the Black Armory figured out how to use Light to make Exos, but for obvious reasons, were only able to use the process on herher
[[WMG: The Witch Queen Will Take Place in Old Chicago]]
* It's a theory that has been circulating for a while now, but Savathun has good reason. [[spoiler: she wants to access the Distributary, the Awoken homeworld where time is diluted, the dstriburtary exists in a Black Hole created by the clash between light and dark]] we knows that the Graviton Lance was found in the Chicago Subway tunnels, a gun that creates Black Holes, perhaps their is something else at work here.
[[WMG: The Witch Queen Will Take Place in Old Chicago]]
* It's a theory that has been circulating for a while now, but Savathun has good reason. [[spoiler: she wants to access the Distributary, the Awoken homeworld where time is diluted, the dstriburtary exists in a Black Hole created by the clash between light and dark]] we knows that the Graviton Lance was found in the Chicago Subway tunnels, a gun that creates Black Holes, perhaps their is something else at work here.
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** A description that was briefly present on the PlayStation Network seems to [[spoiler: '''confirm''' this. It states that Charlemagne has imprisoned Rasputin in a vault in a place called "The Frigid Vale of Mars", and the Guardians will be working with Ana Bray to fight Charlemagne and free Rasputin.]]
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** A description that was briefly present on the PlayStation UsefulNotes/PlayStation Network seems to [[spoiler: '''confirm''' this. It states that Charlemagne has imprisoned Rasputin in a vault in a place called "The Frigid Vale of Mars", and the Guardians will be working with Ana Bray to fight Charlemagne and free Rasputin.]]
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* This is a continuation of the popular and now confirmed "Darkness-Subclasses" WMG. It has been revealed that there will be a new element called Stasis, which gives you [[AnIcePerson ice powers]]. Now take a look at the previously available elements, [[PlayingWithFire Solar]], [[ShockAndAwe Arc]] and [[PowerOfTheVoid Void]]. These are Light-based elements, given it is the Light which gives you these powers, but they have one thing in common: They all are a manifestation of some form of Energy, respectively [[ILoveNuclearPower nuclear]], [[MagnetismManipulation electromagnetic]] and [[GravityMaster gravitational]] energy (gravity is a force, not a form of energy, [[ArtisticLicensePhysics but that's beside the point]]). Ice, on the other hand, and by proxy Stasis, is ''the lack of energy.'' This difference is one of the things that signifies its ties to the Darkness instead of the Light. Other Darkness-based Elements and Subclasses will also be represented by a lack of energy. What might those be? Well, this is where other Tropers might be better at coming up with something clever than myself. The only thing I could think of is "Vacuum", i.e. a space with no matter and no air, and no matter = no energy. How "a lack of air" will translate to wind powers is beyond even me.
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* This is a continuation of the popular and now confirmed "Darkness-Subclasses" WMG. It has been revealed that there will be a new element called Stasis, which gives you [[AnIcePerson ice powers]]. Now take a look at the previously available elements, [[PlayingWithFire Solar]], [[ShockAndAwe Arc]] and [[PowerOfTheVoid Void]]. These are Light-based elements, given it is the Light which gives you these powers, but they have one thing in common: They all are a manifestation of some form of Energy, respectively [[ILoveNuclearPower nuclear]], [[MagnetismManipulation electromagnetic]] and [[GravityMaster gravitational]] energy (gravity is a force, not a form of energy, [[ArtisticLicensePhysics but that's beside the point]]). Ice, on the other hand, and by proxy Stasis, is ''the lack of energy.'' This difference is one of the things that signifies its ties to the Darkness instead of the Light. Other Darkness-based Elements and Subclasses will also be represented by a lack of energy. What might those be? Well, this is where other Tropers might be better at coming up with something clever than myself. The only thing I could think of is "Vacuum", i.e. a space with no matter and no air, and no matter = no energy. How "a lack of air" will translate to wind powers is beyond even me.me.
[[WMG: Ada-1 is a Light based Exo.]]
* Beyond Light says "normal" Exos are made with a combo of Vex stuff and Darkness. Ada clearly works differently. It's likely the Black Armory figured out how to use Light to make Exos, but for obvious reasons, were only able to use the process on her
[[WMG: Ada-1 is a Light based Exo.]]
* Beyond Light says "normal" Exos are made with a combo of Vex stuff and Darkness. Ada clearly works differently. It's likely the Black Armory figured out how to use Light to make Exos, but for obvious reasons, were only able to use the process on her
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* Confirmed: The final raid boss of Last Wish is the Taken Ahamkara Riven of a Thousand Voices, which we've slain.
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** Jossed. Season of Arrivals did and does not (directly) focus on anything ''Forsaken''-related.
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* Considering [[EternalHero his nature]]. Which begs the question: '''Who could he be?'''
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* Considering [[EternalHero his nature]]. Which begs the question: '''Who could he be?'''be?'''
[[WMG: There will be other Darkness-based elements and according subclasses, one of which will be called "Vacuum" and give you [[BlowYouAway wind powers]]]]
* This is a continuation of the popular and now confirmed "Darkness-Subclasses" WMG. It has been revealed that there will be a new element called Stasis, which gives you [[AnIcePerson ice powers]]. Now take a look at the previously available elements, [[PlayingWithFire Solar]], [[ShockAndAwe Arc]] and [[PowerOfTheVoid Void]]. These are Light-based elements, given it is the Light which gives you these powers, but they have one thing in common: They all are a manifestation of some form of Energy, respectively [[ILoveNuclearPower nuclear]], [[MagnetismManipulation electromagnetic]] and [[GravityMaster gravitational]] energy (gravity is a force, not a form of energy, [[ArtisticLicensePhysics but that's beside the point]]). Ice, on the other hand, and by proxy Stasis, is ''the lack of energy.'' This difference is one of the things that signifies its ties to the Darkness instead of the Light. Other Darkness-based Elements and Subclasses will also be represented by a lack of energy. What might those be? Well, this is where other Tropers might be better at coming up with something clever than myself. The only thing I could think of is "Vacuum", i.e. a space with no matter and no air, and no matter = no energy. How "a lack of air" will translate to wind powers is beyond even me.
[[WMG: There will be other Darkness-based elements and according subclasses, one of which will be called "Vacuum" and give you [[BlowYouAway wind powers]]]]
* This is a continuation of the popular and now confirmed "Darkness-Subclasses" WMG. It has been revealed that there will be a new element called Stasis, which gives you [[AnIcePerson ice powers]]. Now take a look at the previously available elements, [[PlayingWithFire Solar]], [[ShockAndAwe Arc]] and [[PowerOfTheVoid Void]]. These are Light-based elements, given it is the Light which gives you these powers, but they have one thing in common: They all are a manifestation of some form of Energy, respectively [[ILoveNuclearPower nuclear]], [[MagnetismManipulation electromagnetic]] and [[GravityMaster gravitational]] energy (gravity is a force, not a form of energy, [[ArtisticLicensePhysics but that's beside the point]]). Ice, on the other hand, and by proxy Stasis, is ''the lack of energy.'' This difference is one of the things that signifies its ties to the Darkness instead of the Light. Other Darkness-based Elements and Subclasses will also be represented by a lack of energy. What might those be? Well, this is where other Tropers might be better at coming up with something clever than myself. The only thing I could think of is "Vacuum", i.e. a space with no matter and no air, and no matter = no energy. How "a lack of air" will translate to wind powers is beyond even me.