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1st Feb '16 4:40:01 AM Katherine-Sanderson
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This timeline leaves a couple of years for the first Akuma to evolve into a level 2 and kill Kanda and Alma's first incarnations, since they died about 31 years ago now.
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This timeline leaves a couple of years for the first Akuma to evolve into a level 2 and kill Kanda and Alma's first incarnations, since they died about 31 years ago now.now. [[WGM: Allen was Bookman's apprentice 35 years ago]] 1. It's mentioned by Sherril that Bookman lost an apprentice before while he's threatening to kill Lavi. 2. The Allen we've seen glipses of 35 years ago was involved with the war even without having an innocence (since Neah is suprised ad disgusted to find he has one now). 3. Bookman was also involved with the war 35 years ago, but not necessarily on the orders side. 4. Since Bookmen are supposed to be neutral it would make sense for them to semi-ally themselves to the "third side" of the war (with Neah). So Allen was Bookman's apprentice, they allied themselves with Neah in order to record the war from the most neutral perspective possible, Allen was like Lavi and got attached, offered up his body, lost his memory, somehow got an innocence that de-aged him or something (innocence can do a lot of weird shit).
13th Nov '15 10:56:44 PM SakuraKaitou1412
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In this case, that means that "Destroyer of Time" could refer to destroying their current timeline/the current loop of time they are in.
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In this case, that means that "Destroyer of Time" could refer to destroying their current timeline/the current loop of time they are in.in. [[WMG: Grave of Maria uses the reanimated corpse of...]] ...Katerina, Nea and Mana's adoptive mother. Since I read somewhere that how Grave of Maria is written in japanese could also mean Grave of the Holy Mother, which would be fitting, since Katerina is the mother of Nea and Mana but didn't have sex to get them meaning she could be a virgin. Also is the mother of the Earl who consideres the Noah his children/sheep, so... [[WMG: The Akuma were first created...]] ...about 40 years ago, or right after Katerina died. Mana and Nea's feeling over her death eventually sparked the idea for the Akuma in the Earl, perhaps even making her the first Akuma. This timeline leaves a couple of years for the first Akuma to evolve into a level 2 and kill Kanda and Alma's first incarnations, since they died about 31 years ago now.
27th Oct '15 5:49:20 PM SakuraKaitou1412
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There has been no other de-aging shown in-story, the two look similar enough to be mistaken for each other, and Allen doesn't remember Nea.
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There has been no other de-aging shown in-story, the two look similar enough to be mistaken for each other, and Allen doesn't remember Nea.Nea. [[WMG: They are all stuck in a time loop]] Think about it. Lenalee and Allen have both dreamt about the end of the world, and although the outside world all has tech from around the 1890s, the Order and the Noah have really advanced tech. If maybe sometimes memories from the last loop can invade dreams it would explain Allen and Lenalee's dreams along with the advanced tech. Also, Allen's dream had skyscrapers and stoplights. Neither of which we have seen so far.... Another bit of evidence is that Miranda was apparently not originally supposed to be an exorcist, although the rewinding town arc was still supposed to be there. If that arc was originally meant to introduce the idea that the Innocence can control time...(the idea of which is reenforced further by Allen de-aging) In this case, that means that "Destroyer of Time" could refer to destroying their current timeline/the current loop of time they are in.
12th Sep '15 8:04:12 PM QCzachQC
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[[WMG: The Earl is Satan]] * I mean, c'mon ! He has horns underneath his hat and he doesn't look human.
2nd Sep '15 4:50:47 AM SilverFang
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* [[LikeFatherLikeSon They do have alot of things in common]], and we all know Cross is a Casanova, and likes him some fine wine and some fine women, so it wouldn't be suprised if he fathered a child.
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* [[LikeFatherLikeSon They do have alot of things in common]], and we all know Cross is a Casanova, ChivalrousPervert, and likes him some fine wine and some fine women, so it wouldn't be suprised surprised if he fathered a child.
3rd Aug '15 7:39:28 PM Celeryroots
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28th Jul '15 3:34:47 AM Eyefish
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* Allen and Lenalee also have a lot of duality going on - light and dark, male and female, with Innocence since birth and being given it (... forced on), love and hate, not knowing but acting and knowing and not acting because of that, Allen considers his Innocence to be part of himself while Lenalee considers it to be a separate entity, the aforementioned parasitic & equipment (and later crystal) type thing, and you could probably find more. (Considering this would all be hammering the nails into the coffin, it would also serve as a beautiful diversion for the real heart, in case this theory gets jossed)


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Chapter 204- Apocryphos: (to Tyki) " Don't think that I'm the same as all those inexperienced innocence you've destroyed so far." Chapter 204-Allen: (referring to Apocryphos) HE BESTOWED JUDGEMENT ON MASTER!" The content of Chapter 204, where Apocryphos battles Noahs to a standstill and attempts to assimilate Allen, leads to two logical conclusions. 1, Innocence is sentient to an extent. This point is supported by Apocryphos' declaration of 'inexperience', which would lead to an inference that all Innocence fragments are sentient and capable of learning and gaining of experience.
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Chapter 204- Apocryphos: (to Tyki) " Don't think that I'm the same as all those inexperienced innocence you've destroyed so far." "\\ Chapter 204-Allen: (referring to Apocryphos) HE BESTOWED JUDGEMENT ON MASTER!" MASTER!"\\ The content of Chapter 204, where Apocryphos battles Noahs to a standstill and attempts to assimilate Allen, leads to two logical conclusions. 1, Innocence is sentient to an extent. This point is supported by Apocryphos' declaration of 'inexperience', which would lead to an inference that all Innocence fragments are sentient and capable of learning and gaining of experience. \\

Chapter 204- Apocryphos: (to Tyki) " Don't think that I'm the same as all those inexperienced innocence you've destroyed so far." Chapter 204-Allen: (referring to Apocryphos) HE BESTOWED JUDGEMENT ON MASTER!" The content of Chapter 204, where Apocryphos battles Noahs to a standstill and attempts to assimilate Allen, leads to two logical conclusions. 1, Innocence is sentient to an extent. This point is supported by Apocryphos' declaration of 'inexperience', which would lead to an inference that all Innocence fragments are sentient and capable of learning and gaining of experience.

And the person we've seen in the manga is his reanimated corpse, similar to Grave of Maria. Since he's rarely at the Order, his weapon has not been tested in a while, allowing him to slip through the net that the weapon is not aligned with him any more. His debt-racking behaviour and having many lovers also hints at someone who is enjoying his last days (weeks, months, years) because he knows he won't get to face consequences. Since he was probably in cahoots with Neah, and Neah doesn't seem to care for subterfuge, Cross probably scrammed when the first signs of Neah awakening showed up, so his own cover (cahoots, being undead) wouldn't be blown.
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And the person we've seen in the manga is his reanimated corpse, similar to Grave of Maria. Since he's rarely at the Order, his weapon has not been tested in a while, allowing him to slip through the net that the weapon is not aligned with him any more. more.\\ His debt-racking behaviour and having many lovers also hints at someone who is enjoying his last days (weeks, months, years) because he knows he won't get to face consequences. consequences.\\ Since he was probably in cahoots with Neah, and Neah doesn't seem to care for subterfuge, Cross probably scrammed when the first signs of Neah awakening showed up, so his own cover (cahoots, being undead) wouldn't be blown.blown. [[WMG: Allen from 35 years ago and Allen from Now are not the same person]] But instead father and son.\\ There has been no other de-aging shown in-story, the two look similar enough to be mistaken for each other, and Allen doesn't remember Nea.
25th Jul '15 10:18:08 PM Eyefish
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2, The end-state of Innocence is as an independent being. Apocryphos is 7000 years old, having been around since the 3 Days of Darkness, with close contact with the Heart. The types of Innocence known to the Black Order are the equipment-types, parasite-types and crystal-types. Equipment types are the least-experienced, wholly dependent on an exorcist to fight demons. Crystal-types are a midpoint, partially dependent on an exorcist for their material (blood). Parasite-types totally replace an exorcist's body parts and are capable of 'hijacking' the exorcist's body, as shown when Crown Clown continues to fight in spite of Allen's wounds, or Krory's constant need to consume demon blood. These three types are subtle evidence that Innocence evolves towards independence from an accommodator.
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2, The end-state of Innocence is as an independent being. Apocryphos is 7000 years old, having been around since the 3 Days of Darkness, with close contact with the Heart. The types of Innocence known to the Black Order are the equipment-types, parasite-types and crystal-types. Equipment types are the least-experienced, wholly dependent on an exorcist to fight demons. Crystal-types are a midpoint, partially dependent on an exorcist for their material (blood). Parasite-types totally replace an exorcist's body parts and are capable of 'hijacking' the exorcist's body, as shown when Crown Clown continues to fight in spite of Allen's wounds, or Krory's constant need to consume demon blood. These three types are subtle evidence that Innocence evolves towards independence from an accommodator.accommodator. [[WMG: Cross Marian was dead all along.]] And the person we've seen in the manga is his reanimated corpse, similar to Grave of Maria. Since he's rarely at the Order, his weapon has not been tested in a while, allowing him to slip through the net that the weapon is not aligned with him any more. His debt-racking behaviour and having many lovers also hints at someone who is enjoying his last days (weeks, months, years) because he knows he won't get to face consequences. Since he was probably in cahoots with Neah, and Neah doesn't seem to care for subterfuge, Cross probably scrammed when the first signs of Neah awakening showed up, so his own cover (cahoots, being undead) wouldn't be blown.
25th Jul '15 5:45:48 PM FishTetris
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[[WMG: Hevlaska is a member of the Leverrier family.]] * Remember when Leverrier made those vague statements about Hevlaska being a killer of her own family in chapter 150? (Probably not, because it never came up again.) Then, right after that family-killer comment, it's mentioned that daughters of the Leverrier family were offered up as saints? Well, we know that Hevlaska was involved in the experiments where they tried to force relatives of Exorcists to synchronize with Innocence, hoping that being blood relatives to Exorcists would make them more likely to be compatible with Innocence. What if Hevlaska is a member of the Leverrier family and killed some of her own siblings/cousins in said experiments, and that's why Leverrier remarks on that when Hevlaska is so hesitant to try and force the Innocence back on Lenalee?

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* Also, besides [[spoiler: Apocryphos]], the Innocence that powered Lala is the only one that had powers of sentience (not just force of will). It also did not activate in the presence of a compatible user (Lala was sentient before Guzol appeared, so that rules him out as a compatible), which sets it apart from pretty much every other Innocence recovered by the Order that we know about.
25th Jul '15 3:27:10 PM FishTetris
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[[WMG: Kanda's current personality [[spoiler:is the same as the personality he had in his past life]].]] * Alternatively, [[spoiler: his personality will eventually reflect the personality he had in the past. It would be an interesting parallel to Allen and the 14th Noah, except in this case, Kanda's soul/self is arguably the interloper versus the person that Kanda originally was.]]
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[[WMG: Kanda's current personality [[spoiler:is The Innocence that powered Lala during the same as Aria of the personality he had in his past life]].Old Man Earth and Night Sky arc is the Heart.]] * That particular Innocence was literally Lala's heart, and brought life/sentience to a totally inanimate object. Mater is considered a Chekhov's Gun because it's [[spoiler: where Allen sent Kanda and Alma to die]], but maybe that's not the only significance of it. It could be foreshadowing that the first mission Allen ever participated in--and the first Innocence he ever recovered--will be relevant again in the future. [[WMG: Kanda's personality [[spoiler:is the same as the personality he had in his past life]].]] * Alternatively, [[spoiler: his personality will eventually reflect the personality he had in the past.past, like a kind of psychological takeover. It would be an interesting parallel to Allen and the 14th Noah, except in this case, Kanda's soul/self is arguably the interloper versus the person that Kanda originally was.]]
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