History WMG / CardcaptorSakura

19th Feb '18 6:56:05 AM tropower
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[[WMG:Keroberos and Yue and Spinnel Sun and Ruby Moon were lovers/mates prior to the former's sealing inside the Book of Clow, which wiped their memories of the latter.]]

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[[WMG:Keroberos [[WMG:Kerberos and Yue and Spinnel Sun and Ruby Moon were lovers/mates prior to the former's sealing inside the Book of Clow, which wiped their memories of the latter.]]



There are lots of parallels between both series: cute, permanently happy girls with guardian angels doing magical things. Keroberos has a plush toy form, Takuto and Meroko have plush toy forms. Yuki can turn himself into a human, Takuto and Meroko can turn themselves into humans. The whole thing sounds like some fantasy made up by Mitsuki to pretend that she wasn't fated to die. Sakura's guardians even have rivals (Spinel Sun/ Ruby Moon), which are just more edgy versions of Kero and Yue. Izumi and Jonathan, anyone? Sakura's friends still have the generic personalities that Mitsuki's friends have, and Sakura loses a parent (Mitsuki loses both). Mitsuki probably felt left out while her shinigami were defying the laws of physics, so I'm guessing she just imagined that she had magical powers and that the shinigami would help her capture cards instead of capturing souls by themselves.

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There are lots of parallels between both series: cute, permanently happy girls with guardian angels doing magical things. Keroberos Kerberos has a plush toy form, Takuto and Meroko have plush toy forms. Yuki can turn himself into a human, Takuto and Meroko can turn themselves into humans. The whole thing sounds like some fantasy made up by Mitsuki to pretend that she wasn't fated to die. Sakura's guardians even have rivals (Spinel Sun/ Ruby Moon), which are just more edgy versions of Kero and Yue. Izumi and Jonathan, anyone? Sakura's friends still have the generic personalities that Mitsuki's friends have, and Sakura loses a parent (Mitsuki loses both). Mitsuki probably felt left out while her shinigami were defying the laws of physics, so I'm guessing she just imagined that she had magical powers and that the shinigami would help her capture cards instead of capturing souls by themselves.



[[WMG: Keroberos is an assumed name.]]

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[[WMG: Keroberos Kerberos is an assumed name.]]



* Though Keroberos may be a complete [[BlindIdiotTranslation mess up]] of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherub Cherub]] -> Xerub -> Kerub which are winged lion, men, bull, and [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment eagles]].

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* Though Keroberos Kerberos may be a complete [[BlindIdiotTranslation mess up]] of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherub Cherub]] -> Xerub -> Kerub which are winged lion, men, bull, and [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment eagles]].



* The logic on this one is pretty simple. Eriol is [[spoiler: the reincarnation of Clow Reed that contains all the memories of the original]]. Clow Reed was very involved with Yuuko and [[spoiler: wished her to open her eyes when she died, causing her continued existence and a lot of the problems in the ''Manga/XxxHolic'' story]], so he probably was at the very least a friend and must have known that the butterfly was her symbol. So when Eriol went to make Ruby Moon and Spinnel Sun as alternates to Yue and Keroberos he gave them butterfly wings and a darker color scheme as homage to her. It also explains why, despite being a technically [[NoBiologicalSex sexless]] spirit, Ruby Moon [[WholesomeCrossdresser dresses]] and [[GenkiGirl acts]] the way 'she' does.

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* The logic on this one is pretty simple. Eriol is [[spoiler: the reincarnation of Clow Reed that contains all the memories of the original]]. Clow Reed was very involved with Yuuko and [[spoiler: wished her to open her eyes when she died, causing her continued existence and a lot of the problems in the ''Manga/XxxHolic'' story]], so he probably was at the very least a friend and must have known that the butterfly was her symbol. So when Eriol went to make Ruby Moon and Spinnel Sun as alternates to Yue and Keroberos Kerberos he gave them butterfly wings and a darker color scheme as homage to her. It also explains why, despite being a technically [[NoBiologicalSex sexless]] spirit, Ruby Moon [[WholesomeCrossdresser dresses]] and [[GenkiGirl acts]] the way 'she' does.
5th Feb '18 10:47:09 PM Elemiel
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* He has Nadeshiko's hair color and Fujitaka's eyes. The problem is that the anime changed her hair color, which made Touya's dark hair stand out in a family of brunettes.
14th Jan '18 2:05:44 PM nombretomado
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Let's face it, the products Tomoyo brings out from her mother's company look very similar in terms of design to Piffle Princess products that appear in other CLAMP manga. While Icchan is responsible for Piffle Princess's [[Anime/KidouTenshiAngelicLayer Angelic Layer]] branch, there's nothing to suggest that he's in charge of the whole company. It would also make sense, considering that one Tomoyo in ''[[Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle Tsubasa]]'' was president of Piffle Princess. It would also explain why in later series like ''LegalDrug'' Piffle Princess has branched out into clothing.

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Let's face it, the products Tomoyo brings out from her mother's company look very similar in terms of design to Piffle Princess products that appear in other CLAMP manga. While Icchan is responsible for Piffle Princess's [[Anime/KidouTenshiAngelicLayer Angelic Layer]] branch, there's nothing to suggest that he's in charge of the whole company. It would also make sense, considering that one Tomoyo in ''[[Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle Tsubasa]]'' was president of Piffle Princess. It would also explain why in later series like ''LegalDrug'' ''Manga/DrugAndDrop'' Piffle Princess has branched out into clothing.
12th Jan '18 5:46:37 AM ABE.Crudele
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** It's been stated that without a power source (that is, their confirmed master), the Clow Cards will eventually fade away and die. Sakura has professed her dear friendship with the Cards, and the Cards with her. As such, it's likely she might not ''want'' to do to a possible successor what Clow did to her (but, considering the vastly increased lifespan of powerful magic users, that may easily change eventually); all the same, there is no ''way in hell'' Sakura as she is now would allow the Clow Cards, her horde of life-long friends, to just die, and she would feel it far more important to preserve their lives than to avoid putting one person through a hard time just because the same was done to her - especially considering how greatly she ultimately benefited from those troubles.
*** Besides, no one says she ''has'' to do to her successor what Clow did to her. It's ''Sakura''; she could conceivably find another way to pass the cards on. Remember, Sakura was the first person to whom the cards had ever been passed on; it's not like there were ten other Cardcaptors before her to set a precedent. And remember, Kero '''fell asleep'''. If he hadn't been asleep and had stopped Sakura from opening the book and had taught her about the cards ''first''... things could have been a lot different.
*** Remember also that by the end of the series, Sakura is stated to have become more powerful than Clow Reed himself, and given that she was only ten at the time, her powers could have increased even further. It's possible that she's found a way (or will eventually) to sustain the cards beyond her death, ''without'' needing a successor to her power. Hell, this could have even been a part of Clow's original gambit.
*** Supported by the fact that in ''Manga/XxxHolic'' we find out that Sakura paid her Star Staff to Ichihara Yuuko (the reason has major spoilers for both Holic and Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle). It doesn't mention what happened to the Cards or Kero and Yue (we ''may'' find out once Holic and TRC finally finish up, but this is Clamp), but presumably Sakura wouldn't have let anything bad happen to them. So she may have found a way to support them without the staff.
*** Most likely, the staff is a conduit rather than the source of her powers. While it may have made it easier for her to use them, she was probably able to give it up knowing that she'd still have her magic.
*** Yes, but the staff is also the ''key'' to the Clow book. So unless she wanted the Cards running amok after her death, she'd have to change ''something'' in Clow's original formula.
*** CLAMP mentioned in an interview in one of the Artbooks that Sakura no longer needed her staff to summon the cards after the original manga series' end (whether this applies to Tsubasa canon, I have no clue). Clow never needed a staff to summon the cards, he simply created one to help Sakura with her growing powers. All the cards can become dormant within the book, storing power from the original owner (as they did with Clow) until they are ready to be used again. Clow always knew Sakura was going to become the mistress of the Cards and knew she would release the cards in that fashon in order to form a bond with them, as mentioned in the end of the manga. When talking about Manga/CardCaptorSakura and Tsubasa together, I suggest going off the MANGA canon, not the anime, as they missed a whole ton of key points in the anime.
*** Not to mention that when Sakura Kinomoto lends the staff to Princess Sakura in Tsubasa Chronicle, she says "It's alright, I still have the cards with me" (or something to that effect) implying that she could still activate them without the use of her wand.

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** * It's been stated that without a power source (that is, their confirmed master), the Clow Cards will eventually fade away and die. Sakura has professed her dear friendship with the Cards, and the Cards with her. As such, it's likely she might not ''want'' to do to a possible successor what Clow did to her (but, considering the vastly increased lifespan of powerful magic users, that may easily change eventually); all the same, there is no ''way in hell'' Sakura as she is now would allow the Clow Cards, her horde of life-long friends, to just die, and she would feel it far more important to preserve their lives than to avoid putting one person through a hard time just because the same was done to her - especially considering how greatly she ultimately benefited from those troubles.
*** ** Besides, no one says she ''has'' to do to her successor what Clow did to her. It's ''Sakura''; she could conceivably find another way to pass the cards on. Remember, Sakura was the first person to whom the cards had ever been passed on; it's not like there were ten other Cardcaptors before her to set a precedent. And remember, Kero '''fell asleep'''. If he hadn't been asleep and had stopped Sakura from opening the book and had taught her about the cards ''first''... things could have been a lot different.
*** ** Remember also that by the end of the series, Sakura is stated to have become more powerful than Clow Reed himself, and given that she was only ten at the time, her powers could have increased even further. It's possible that she's found a way (or will eventually) to sustain the cards beyond her death, ''without'' needing a successor to her power. Hell, this could have even been a part of Clow's original gambit.
*** ** Supported by the fact that in ''Manga/XxxHolic'' we find out that Sakura paid her Star Staff to Ichihara Yuuko (the reason has major spoilers for both Holic and Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle). It doesn't mention what happened to the Cards or Kero and Yue (we ''may'' find out once Holic and TRC finally finish up, but this is Clamp), but presumably Sakura wouldn't have let anything bad happen to them. So she may have found a way to support them without the staff.
*** ** Most likely, the staff is a conduit rather than the source of her powers. While it may have made it easier for her to use them, she was probably able to give it up knowing that she'd still have her magic.
*** ** Yes, but the staff is also the ''key'' to the Clow book. So unless she wanted the Cards running amok after her death, she'd have to change ''something'' in Clow's original formula.
*** ** CLAMP mentioned in an interview in one of the Artbooks that Sakura no longer needed her staff to summon the cards after the original manga series' end (whether this applies to Tsubasa canon, I have no clue). Clow never needed a staff to summon the cards, he simply created one to help Sakura with her growing powers. All the cards can become dormant within the book, storing power from the original owner (as they did with Clow) until they are ready to be used again. Clow always knew Sakura was going to become the mistress of the Cards and knew she would release the cards in that fashon in order to form a bond with them, as mentioned in the end of the manga. When talking about Manga/CardCaptorSakura and Tsubasa together, I suggest going off the MANGA canon, not the anime, as they missed a whole ton of key points in the anime.
*** ** Not to mention that when Sakura Kinomoto lends the staff to Princess Sakura in Tsubasa Chronicle, she says "It's alright, I still have the cards with me" (or something to that effect) implying that she could still activate them without the use of her wand.



** Possible, but not in the above form. The main issue being that Sonomi is (or at least was) married. In the athletics festival episode where she and Fujikata meet (after quite some time by implication) he refers to her as Amamiya (or something very like that), implying that she got married and changed her name sometime between that episode and when they last met. Doesn't mean that Tomoyo wasn't concieved by artificial insemination but it makes an anonymous donor far less likely.

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** * Possible, but not in the above form. The main issue being that Sonomi is (or at least was) married. In the athletics festival episode where she and Fujikata meet (after quite some time by implication) he refers to her as Amamiya (or something very like that), implying that she got married and changed her name sometime between that episode and when they last met. Doesn't mean that Tomoyo wasn't concieved by artificial insemination but it makes an anonymous donor far less likely.



** How can Yuuko have a reincarnation when at this point she's [[spoiler:still between life and death]]?
*** TimeTravel.

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** * How can Yuuko have a reincarnation when at this point she's [[spoiler:still between life and death]]?
*** ** TimeTravel.



Example: In the Illusion Card episode, Yukito brings Sakura to his house and claims his grandmother changed her clothes. If the above theory is correct, then Yukito did change her clothes, but his memory modifier kicked in and altered his memory so that his grandmother changed her clothes. Perhaps this memory modification is one reason (but not all of them) that he needs so much food...

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Example: **Example: In the Illusion Card episode, Yukito brings Sakura to his house and claims his grandmother changed her clothes. If the above theory is correct, then Yukito did change her clothes, but his memory modifier kicked in and altered his memory so that his grandmother changed her clothes. Perhaps this memory modification is one reason (but not all of them) that he needs so much food...




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* Then in Chapter 19, [[spoiler:he has a blank card (which has some kind of wind-attribute) and uses it to subdue Blaze. He even hides the card when Sakura and Tomoyo approached him after securing it.]]
11th Jan '18 10:14:59 PM Elemiel
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[[WMG:Yuna D. Kaito is a RedHerring and the true member of the Magicians' Society is Akiho.]]
Sakura wouldn't assume that her rival is the transfer student who shares similarities with her and has become a friend. Eriol warns her about Yuna, but that's only because he's covering for his master.
30th Dec '17 9:35:41 AM Everdream
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* The trailer for Clear Card shows Yukito, then Yue right as Sakura's says something about "new feelings changing everything," immediately afterwards, it shows either Syaoran or Touya (it's hard to tell because it's only the bottom half of their face) tilting their chin upwards in a way that subtlety seems to imply interest in what they're looking at. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHzHzmif6G4&t=1m18s Seen here.]] This might not be meant to be taken that way, but there are some grounds for Touya to have a attraction. He's in love with Yukito, and Yue is essentially Yukito's true self, is far more attractive than Yukito is, and Touya has ([[InformedAttribute allegedly]]) noticed similarities (he says they're just alike in one episode.) Syaoran having a interest seems less likely, but still possible.

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* The trailer for Clear Card shows Yukito, then Yue right as Sakura's says something about "new feelings changing everything," immediately afterwards, it shows either Syaoran or Touya (it's hard to tell because it's only the bottom half of their face) tilting their chin upwards in a way that subtlety seems to imply interest in what they're looking at. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHzHzmif6G4&t=1m18s Seen here.]] This might not be meant to be taken that way, but there are some grounds for Touya to have a attraction. He's in love with Yukito, and Yue is essentially Yukito's true self, is far more attractive than Yukito is, and Touya has ([[InformedAttribute allegedly]]) noticed similarities (he says they're just alike in one episode.episode of the first show.) Syaoran having a interest seems less likely, but still possible.
30th Dec '17 9:30:09 AM Everdream
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[[WMG: Yue will get involved in a love triangle in ''Clear Card'' or at least be a recipient of a one sided crush]]
* The trailer for Clear Card shows Yukito, then Yue right as Sakura's says something about "new feelings changing everything," immediately afterwards, it shows either Syaoran or Touya (it's hard to tell because it's only the bottom half of their face) tilting their chin upwards in a way that subtlety seems to imply interest in what they're looking at. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHzHzmif6G4&t=1m18s Seen here.]] This might not be meant to be taken that way, but there are some grounds for Touya to have a attraction. He's in love with Yukito, and Yue is essentially Yukito's true self, is far more attractive than Yukito is, and Touya has ([[InformedAttribute allegedly]]) noticed similarities (he says they're just alike in one episode.) Syaoran having a interest seems less likely, but still possible.
30th Dec '17 4:33:02 AM Hereward
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[[Sakura Kinomoto is GOD!]]

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[[Sakura [[WMG: Sakura Kinomoto is GOD!]][[GodModeSue GOD]]!]]
30th Dec '17 4:31:10 AM Hereward
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[[Sakura Kinomoto is GOD!]]
From shortly after her tenth birthday to shortly before her twelfth birthday she goes from being a slightly prescient, sporty above-average schoolgirl to the most powerful sorceress in her timeline's history. So, logically, by the time she comes of age she'd have so much power she could use the Return card to go back to when time was at zero and initiate the whole of creation.
29th Oct '17 2:10:06 PM nombretomado
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* This makes sense, given {{CLAMP}}'s penchant for parallel universes. Or possibly they're living new lives after somehow losing memories of their old ones.

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* This makes sense, given {{CLAMP}}'s Creator/{{CLAMP}}'s penchant for parallel universes. Or possibly they're living new lives after somehow losing memories of their old ones.
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