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** Yes, very coincidental. It was stated that Vision doesn't miss. He was cradling an injured Wanda and looked visibly pissed when Rhodey, who hurt her, asked for his help.
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[[WMG: The Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy will be the catalyst to bring the Avengers back together ]]
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[[WMG: The Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Film/{{Guardians of the Galaxy|2014}} will be the catalyst to bring the Avengers back together ]]
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Why does Captain America make almost no effort to tell anyone about Bucky's mind-control, especially during the last fight? Why does Cap spend the last fight acting like he expects Tony to be completely rational and is completely at fault for not being so five minutes after seeing his parents killed by someone standing right next to him? Why does Ross trust Tony Stark of all people to lead the capture of Captain America? Why doesn't anyone just TALK about the IMPORTANT things in this IdiotPlot of a movie? Because Zemo released a toxin into the air of the city, or its water supply, or just the Avengers' and other officials' coffee, that made them all lose massive chunks of their common sense and empathy.
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Why does Captain America make almost no effort to tell anyone about Bucky's mind-control, especially during the last fight? Why does Cap spend the last fight acting like he expects Tony to be completely rational and is completely at fault for not being so five minutes after seeing his parents killed by someone standing right next to him? Why does Ross trust Tony Stark of all people to lead the capture of Captain America? Why doesn't anyone just TALK about the IMPORTANT things in this IdiotPlot of a movie? Because Zemo released a toxin into the air of the city, or its water supply, or just the Avengers' and other officials' coffee, that made them all lose massive chunks of their common sense and empathy.
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The leaked early marketing art showed Sharon fighting alongside Cap's Avengers in place of Scarlet Witch, and she also appears on some of the officially released art and packaging as well, leading many to believe that she is a major part of the movie and a key player on Team Cap . Despite this, she only appears for a split second in the first trailer, is ''completely'' absent from the big Super Bowl TV spot, doesn't appear to be present at the big airport showdown, and wasn't even included in the emoticon promotion Marvel ran for the movie on Twitter. Does that sound like the type of marketing Disney and Marvel would do for someone who is supposedly a main character?
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The leaked early marketing art showed Sharon fighting alongside Cap's Avengers in place of Scarlet Witch, and she also appears on some of the officially released art and packaging as well, leading many to believe that she is a major part of the movie and a key player on Team Cap . Despite this, she only appears for a split second in the first trailer, is ''completely'' absent from the big Super Bowl TV spot, doesn't appear to be present at the big airport showdown, and wasn't even included in the emoticon promotion Marvel ran for the movie on Twitter. Does that sound like sound
the type of marketing Disney and Marvel would do for someone who is supposedly a main character?
the type of marketing Disney and Marvel would do for someone who is supposedly a main character?
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***Actually confirmed, this is more or less the plot of the Disney+ show.
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* Potentially Confirmed.
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** Jossed. He uses his regular armor in ''Infinity War'' and ''Endgame''.
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** Jossed. He uses his regular armor in ''Infinity War'' and ''Endgame''. Though, he is getting a future Disney+ show.
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* Jossed, but John and Lemar are introduced in the spin-off series, ''The Falcon and the Winter Soldier''.
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* Jossed, but John and Lemar are later introduced in the sequel spin-off series, ''The Falcon and the Winter Soldier''.
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* Jossed.Mixed. According to ''Ragnarok'', he was trying to stop Ragnarok.
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* This is later implied at the end of ''Spider-Man: Homecoming'', where Tony shows Peter a new suit and offers him a position on the Avengers.
** Zemo has yet to be confirmed for the film.
** Even after tge Netflix shows return to Marvel, neither character is confirmed.
** Unclear. Abomination is heavily rumored, but not confirmed.
** Confirmed, with her serving as the lead of the film.
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** Jossed. However, [[spoiler: Valentina]] may serve that role instead.
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Although Cap is one of the finest examples of a OneManArmy, getting into the [[spoiler: the prison]] would be a huge task, even for him. [[spoiler: The prison is gigantic, there's thousands of guards, it's very likely to be heavily defended and Cap didn't seem to have brought his shield with him when he went.]] So of course, he would need backup. But with [[spoiler: Bucky badly wounded/in stasis and Tasha going into serious hiding, he couldn't bring them along this time.]]
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Although Cap is one of the finest examples of a OneManArmy, getting into the [[spoiler: the prison]] would be a huge task, even for him. [[spoiler: The prison is gigantic, there's thousands of guards, it's very likely to be heavily defended and Cap didn't seem to have brought his shield with him when he went.]] So of course, he would need backup. But with [[spoiler: Bucky badly wounded/in stasis and Tasha and
Natasha going into serious hiding, he couldn't bring them along this time.]]
Natasha going into serious hiding, he couldn't bring them along this time.]]
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* Jossed. No sign of Namor yet in the MCU.
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** Jossed. TheStinger turns out to be [[spoiler: Spidey checking out the new gadgets given to him by Stark.]]
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** Jossed. TheStinger turns out to be Mixed. The two Stingers are [[spoiler: Bucky being refrozen at a lab in a foggy Wakanda AND Spidey checking out the new gadgets given to him by Stark.]]
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* Possibly Jossed. His cameos in Guardians ''Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 2'' implied he is playing the ''same character'' as his other cameos. Captain Marvel ''Captain Marvel'' went even further, by implying they were all really ''Creator/StanLee''!
''Creator/StanLee himself''!
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* Semi-confirmed. [[spoiler: He is killed in the UN bombing.]]
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* Semi-confirmed. [[spoiler: He is actually killed in the UN bombing.]]
]] But it still motivates T'Challa to get involved in the dispute.
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** Oddly enough, despite Garfield not returning as Spider-Man for the MCU, [[spoiler: he returned as ''his'' version of the hero in ''Spider-Man: No Way Home''.]]
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* Possibly Jossed. His cameos in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 implied he is playing the ''same character'' as his other cameos. Captain Marvel went even further, by implying they were all really ''Creator/StanLee''!
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* Another example could be: the film will open with a heated debate between Cap and Tony about something trivial. They bicker, get in each other's faces, a shot of Cap, and shot of Tony, and BOOM: the logo of the movie, except the meme UpToEleven with blaring orchestral music and animation.
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* Another example could be: the film will open with a heated debate between Cap and Tony about something trivial. They bicker, get in each other's faces, a shot of Cap, and shot of Tony, and BOOM: the logo of the movie, except the meme UpToEleven up to eleven with blaring orchestral music and animation.
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It worked for a certain [[Film/Deadpool2016 Merc with the Mouth]] (albeit not without its accusations of UncannyValley), so why not try it with our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man? Hell, the fact that his expressive mask is mechanical in nature rather than unexplained may be an attempt to avert the uncanny valley of Deadpool (who was less concerned with this anyway [[RuleOfFunny because it was funny.]])
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It worked for a certain [[Film/Deadpool2016 Merc with the Mouth]] (albeit not without its accusations of UncannyValley), UnintentionalUncannyValley), so why not try it with our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man? Hell, the fact that his expressive mask is mechanical in nature rather than unexplained may be an attempt to avert the uncanny valley of Deadpool (who was less concerned with this anyway [[RuleOfFunny because it was funny.]])
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* Jossed. Kevin Feige has said that he wants to save her becoming the Wasp for another movie, given that the film will have LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters as it is.
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* Jossed. Kevin Feige has said that he wants to save her becoming the Wasp for another movie, given that the film will have LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters loads of characters as it is.
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So far, Iron Man has sported at least one new suit of armor in every film he's appeared in, save for his cameo in ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk''. ''Civil War'' will continue the trend, and give him the [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130125003315/marveldatabase/images/6/63/Iron_Man_Vol_5_1_Granov_Variant_Textless.jpg black suit he wore in Marvel NOW]] for a more intimidating look.
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So far, Iron Man has sported at least one new suit of armor in every film he's appeared in, save for his cameo in ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk''.''Film/{{The Incredible Hulk|2008}}''. ''Civil War'' will continue the trend, and give him the [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130125003315/marveldatabase/images/6/63/Iron_Man_Vol_5_1_Granov_Variant_Textless.jpg black suit he wore in Marvel NOW]] for a more intimidating look.
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This is the second time Tony and Ross will be in the same film together, so naturally there will be a reference to their meeting at the end of ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk''. This will shed more light on the exact details on the confrontation between the two of them, as well as get viewers who have not watched the short up to speed.
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This is the second time Tony and Ross will be in the same film together, so naturally there will be a reference to their meeting at the end of ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk''.''Film/{{The Incredible Hulk|2008}}''. This will shed more light on the exact details on the confrontation between the two of them, as well as get viewers who have not watched the short up to speed.
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[[WMG: At one point, there will be a reference to Betty Ross and the events of ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk''.]]
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[[WMG: The serum used by Hydra to make the other five Winter Soldiers is the same serum used on Blonsky in ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk''.''Film/{{The Incredible Hulk|2008}}''.]]
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* Namor in {{Atlantis}}, talking to Dr. Strange about something. Or at least something featuring ''ComicBook/TheInvadersMarvel''.
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* Namor in {{Atlantis}}, talking to Dr. Strange about something. Or at least something featuring ''ComicBook/TheInvadersMarvel''.''ComicBook/{{The Invaders|MarvelComics}}''.
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[[WMG:HYDRA orchestrated everything about the Accords and Zemo's plot as retaliation for the failure of Project Insight]]
The whole issue of the Sokovia Accords is suspect. Think about it. They’re named the ''Sokovia'' Accords, so obviously a byproduct of what happened in Novi Grad, but if you actually stop to think about it, are they really about Novi Grad?
Let's set aside the fact that Zemo’s plan was entirely dependent upon events happening in a particular order at a particular time, but look all of the other things that led up to the introduction of the Accords in that scene with Ross. First, we have Brock Rumlow, a known HYDRA agent, come out of two years of hiding and attempt a very public attack on the IFID Headquarters, necessitating a special ops team of enhanced humans to be sent to stop him. The mission was a success, but with heavy civilian casualties, which is the type of thing to make the news.
Enter Thaddeus Ross with these Accords, a document that calls for the literal regisistration and containment of enhanced individuals that so many people back, coincidentally just after an incident involving an enhanced individual (Wanda Maximoff).
Now consider that these Accords were drafted and agreed upon by 117 countries within a year of what happened in Sokovia. This is highly suspicious, because most members of the UN Security Council can’t agree on what to have for lunch, let alone something that would affect everyone in such a monumental way. But, somehow, all of these countries, some of which can’t stand each other and will disagree on an issue just on principle, all came together within a year to create these Accords? Add to that the fact that the mother of an American citizen that died in Novi Grad just happened to bypass all of Tony Stark’s security to guilt him for his royal fuck-up that cost her son his life? Something doesn't add up.
What's more likely is that HYDRA had something in the works after Project Insight went belly up. There was a plot, orchestrated by HYDRA over several decades, beaten back in the span of one afternoon by one enhanced individual and four of his allies (Steve, Sam, Natasha, Sharon, and Fury). Five people, tops, took down one of the world’s most powerful intelligence organizations in a literal afternoon.
As shown by Strucker's activities and ''Ant-Man'', not all of HYDRA's many heads died with Pierce. With Pierce dead, these other top figures who managed to avoid detection and hold onto their power came up with an idea to contain and control the Avengers so that something like this couldn’t happen again. The only problem was, how would they put that into effect? The Avengers were praised as heroes by the press for stopping the alien invasion of Manhattan and for preventing its total destruction by a nuclear warhead. Can’t use that as an excuse, because nothing unites humanity more than an external threat. Can’t use what happened in D.C. either, because all those files were leaked to the public, so the world now knows about how HYDRA, under the guise of the World Security Council and S.H.I.E.L.D., was manipulating the world to create a system that would tolerate authoritarian rule.
So what then? What could they possibly use as a catalyst to introduce these Accords?
Simple: Tony Stark, his massive ego and the creation of a genocidal robot.
Obviously, HYDRA had no way of planning it. But they saw an opportunity for what it was and didn’t look the gift horse in the mouth.
Now Sokovia has fallen, resulting in massive casualties, and some ambassador or politician was able to use that opportunity to present the Accords, which a lot of those 117 signing countries were quick to agreed to, because a fair number of those signitories are dictatorships run by power-hungry tyrants who probably don't want the Avengers sneaking into their country and exposing their darkest, dirtiest secrets to the world. Obviously not everyone had a horrible agenda, but power corrupts and the United States was probably ''not'' the only country that looked into human enhancement for their military use.
Now, how to bring this all together after the fact (because there's no way someone just waltzed into the UN headquarters in New York the day after Sokovia and presented a three hundred page document)? Simple, you use one of your old agents (Rumlow) in an attempt to draw out the Avengers in the hopes that something will go wrong, as things often do in combat situations. Keep the “threat” of enhanced individuals fresh in the public mind.
It's just as likely that HYDRA also had a hand in orchestrating Zemo’s move against the Avengers. Obviously not directly. They didn’t give him orders and he followed them without question, no. But they helped with getting him the right files on the Winter Soldier to decrypt, making sure that he found them after what happened to his family. Remember that HYDRA had a strong presence in Sokovia, so they probably had files on Sokovian intelligence, the same way they had files on the Avengers themselves. HYDRA could use this whole situation (Zemo trying to use the Winter Solider to take down the Avengers) to knock off quite a few birds with one stone: not only do they split the Avengers (because they had to know Steve would never sign the Accords and would also do anything to protect Bucky) but they flush out their most prominent weapon over the last fifty years out of hiding, either to have Bucky eliminated (this erasing any chance his actions might be traced back to them) or containment, which would get a Winter Soldier back in their hands to use as they see fit.
The whole issue of the Sokovia Accords is suspect. Think about it. They’re named the ''Sokovia'' Accords, so obviously a byproduct of what happened in Novi Grad, but if you actually stop to think about it, are they really about Novi Grad?
Let's set aside the fact that Zemo’s plan was entirely dependent upon events happening in a particular order at a particular time, but look all of the other things that led up to the introduction of the Accords in that scene with Ross. First, we have Brock Rumlow, a known HYDRA agent, come out of two years of hiding and attempt a very public attack on the IFID Headquarters, necessitating a special ops team of enhanced humans to be sent to stop him. The mission was a success, but with heavy civilian casualties, which is the type of thing to make the news.
Enter Thaddeus Ross with these Accords, a document that calls for the literal regisistration and containment of enhanced individuals that so many people back, coincidentally just after an incident involving an enhanced individual (Wanda Maximoff).
Now consider that these Accords were drafted and agreed upon by 117 countries within a year of what happened in Sokovia. This is highly suspicious, because most members of the UN Security Council can’t agree on what to have for lunch, let alone something that would affect everyone in such a monumental way. But, somehow, all of these countries, some of which can’t stand each other and will disagree on an issue just on principle, all came together within a year to create these Accords? Add to that the fact that the mother of an American citizen that died in Novi Grad just happened to bypass all of Tony Stark’s security to guilt him for his royal fuck-up that cost her son his life? Something doesn't add up.
What's more likely is that HYDRA had something in the works after Project Insight went belly up. There was a plot, orchestrated by HYDRA over several decades, beaten back in the span of one afternoon by one enhanced individual and four of his allies (Steve, Sam, Natasha, Sharon, and Fury). Five people, tops, took down one of the world’s most powerful intelligence organizations in a literal afternoon.
As shown by Strucker's activities and ''Ant-Man'', not all of HYDRA's many heads died with Pierce. With Pierce dead, these other top figures who managed to avoid detection and hold onto their power came up with an idea to contain and control the Avengers so that something like this couldn’t happen again. The only problem was, how would they put that into effect? The Avengers were praised as heroes by the press for stopping the alien invasion of Manhattan and for preventing its total destruction by a nuclear warhead. Can’t use that as an excuse, because nothing unites humanity more than an external threat. Can’t use what happened in D.C. either, because all those files were leaked to the public, so the world now knows about how HYDRA, under the guise of the World Security Council and S.H.I.E.L.D., was manipulating the world to create a system that would tolerate authoritarian rule.
So what then? What could they possibly use as a catalyst to introduce these Accords?
Simple: Tony Stark, his massive ego and the creation of a genocidal robot.
Obviously, HYDRA had no way of planning it. But they saw an opportunity for what it was and didn’t look the gift horse in the mouth.
Now Sokovia has fallen, resulting in massive casualties, and some ambassador or politician was able to use that opportunity to present the Accords, which a lot of those 117 signing countries were quick to agreed to, because a fair number of those signitories are dictatorships run by power-hungry tyrants who probably don't want the Avengers sneaking into their country and exposing their darkest, dirtiest secrets to the world. Obviously not everyone had a horrible agenda, but power corrupts and the United States was probably ''not'' the only country that looked into human enhancement for their military use.
Now, how to bring this all together after the fact (because there's no way someone just waltzed into the UN headquarters in New York the day after Sokovia and presented a three hundred page document)? Simple, you use one of your old agents (Rumlow) in an attempt to draw out the Avengers in the hopes that something will go wrong, as things often do in combat situations. Keep the “threat” of enhanced individuals fresh in the public mind.
It's just as likely that HYDRA also had a hand in orchestrating Zemo’s move against the Avengers. Obviously not directly. They didn’t give him orders and he followed them without question, no. But they helped with getting him the right files on the Winter Soldier to decrypt, making sure that he found them after what happened to his family. Remember that HYDRA had a strong presence in Sokovia, so they probably had files on Sokovian intelligence, the same way they had files on the Avengers themselves. HYDRA could use this whole situation (Zemo trying to use the Winter Solider to take down the Avengers) to knock off quite a few birds with one stone: not only do they split the Avengers (because they had to know Steve would never sign the Accords and would also do anything to protect Bucky) but they flush out their most prominent weapon over the last fifty years out of hiding, either to have Bucky eliminated (this erasing any chance his actions might be traced back to them) or containment, which would get a Winter Soldier back in their hands to use as they see fit.
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In addition to being one of the major Pro-Reg players in the original story (Well, a Skrull posing as him), the Comic-Con teaser for ''Film/AntMan'' features Pym saying that he considers superheroes to be a "goddamn joke". Assuming he survives the events of ''Ant-Man'', he may be a major advocate for making sure superheroes are kept under stricter supervision. On the other hand, in Ant-Man Hank made it clear that he doesn't like or trust Tony Stark or S.H.I.E.L.D.
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In addition to being one of the major Pro-Reg players in the original story (Well, a Skrull posing as him), the Comic-Con teaser for ''Film/AntMan'' ''Film/AntMan1'' features Pym saying that he considers superheroes to be a "goddamn joke". Assuming he survives the events of ''Ant-Man'', he may be a major advocate for making sure superheroes are kept under stricter supervision. On the other hand, in Ant-Man Hank made it clear that he doesn't like or trust Tony Stark or S.H.I.E.L.D.
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** Considering [[spoiler: Yellowjacket died at the end of ''Film/AntMan'']], ''Film/AntMan1'']], that means he won't show up in this film. Although [[spoiler: HYDRA is in possession of the Pym Particles]]...
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Kevin Feige has confirmed that there are plans for the Wasp to appear in future MCU movie, and has strongly hinted that she may be Hope Van Dyne (Creator/EvangelineLilly's character) from ''Film/AntMan''. Hope could make her debut as the Wasp here, in at least a cameo capacity.
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Kevin Feige has confirmed that there are plans for the Wasp to appear in future MCU movie, and has strongly hinted that she may be Hope Van Dyne (Creator/EvangelineLilly's character) from ''Film/AntMan''.''Film/AntMan1''. Hope could make her debut as the Wasp here, in at least a cameo capacity.
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Let's assume for a moment that the film will have a similar ending to the comics. The Pro-Accord side wins, but [[TheHeroDies Captain America dies]], with Franchise/SpiderMan ditching Stark for the Anti-Accords. This will cause the general public to become so disgusted with Iron Man that it leads to his team of Avengers receiving a ZeroPercentApprovalRating, causing many superhumans to become to afraid to Register or Reveal themselves. Eventually, "Street Level" Superheroes Such as Series/Daredevil2015, Series/LukeCage2016, Series/{{Iron Fist|2017}}, Film/AntMan, and Cap's teammates will become [[Myth/RobinHood Robin Hood-esque figures]] in the MCU. The fallout of this populatity shift will be dealt with in the Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel movies, before the studio moves on to [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar Infinity War.]]
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Let's assume for a moment that the film will have a similar ending to the comics. The Pro-Accord side wins, but [[TheHeroDies Captain America dies]], with Franchise/SpiderMan ditching Stark for the Anti-Accords. This will cause the general public to become so disgusted with Iron Man that it leads to his team of Avengers receiving a ZeroPercentApprovalRating, causing many superhumans to become to afraid to Register or Reveal themselves. Eventually, "Street Level" Superheroes Such as Series/Daredevil2015, Series/LukeCage2016, Series/{{Iron Fist|2017}}, Film/AntMan, Film/AntMan1, and Cap's teammates will become [[Myth/RobinHood Robin Hood-esque figures]] in the MCU. The fallout of this populatity shift will be dealt with in the Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel movies, before the studio moves on to [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar Infinity War.]]
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It worked for a certain [[Film/{{Deadpool}} Merc with the Mouth]] (albeit not without its accusations of UncannyValley), so why not try it with our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man? Hell, the fact that his expressive mask is mechanical in nature rather than unexplained may be an attempt to avert the uncanny valley of Deadpool (who was less concerned with this anyway [[RuleOfFunny because it was funny.]])
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It worked for a certain [[Film/{{Deadpool}} [[Film/Deadpool2016 Merc with the Mouth]] (albeit not without its accusations of UncannyValley), so why not try it with our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man? Hell, the fact that his expressive mask is mechanical in nature rather than unexplained may be an attempt to avert the uncanny valley of Deadpool (who was less concerned with this anyway [[RuleOfFunny because it was funny.]])
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: Zemo is just an ordinary Sokovian soldier, with a lot of anger. It was not until ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' that it was revealed that Red Skull was actually banished to Vormir.]]
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* Jossed. Coulson's only subsequent movie appearance in in ''Captain Marvel'', set in the 1990s.
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* Confirmed.
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* Cap doesn't die, but he does pass on the mantle to Falcon in ''Endgame''.
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* Jossed. Hank Pym is only once mentioned by Scott.
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* Jossed. He doesn't bring it up.
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** Indeed, they don't appear.
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** Indeed, he never appears or is mentioned.
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** Confirmed however for ''Far From Home''.
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* Jossed. Tony recruits him to help out.
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* Jossed. Steve and Tony never meet in ''Infinity War''.
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* Jossed. However, they are set to team up in ''Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness''.
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* Jossed. Though he becomes nomadic, he doesn't take the name.
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* Jossed. In ''Infinity War'', he dons the armor without any fuss.
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* Jossed. Thanos destroys the stones in ''Endgame''.
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* She's getting a Disney+ show.
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* Jossed. According to ''Ant-Man and the Wasp'', they became fugitives sue to Scott using their tech and they haven't seen him since and are angry that he went off to help Cap without telling them.
** Jossed. They make up by ''Endgame''.
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* Young Avengers TV series: In the wake of the break-up of the Avengers, a time-travelling youth with Iron Man-like armour named Nate recruits a team of young superhumans band together to remind the world why the Avengers exist, in order to fight the time-travelling Kang the Conqueror. Eager to prove themselves, they quickly get caught up fighting against corrupt prisons experimenting on super-powered youths, a drug ring selling power-granting drugs, an alien war, among other things. Line-up would be Iron Lad (getting mild CompositeCharacter treatment with Jonas!Vision by lasting longer than the first adventure), Wiccan and Speed (as two boys who discover they're twins separated at birth, apparently created as part of the same experiments that would create the Maximoffs), Hulkling (ideally retaining his connection to the Skrull and Kree, but possibly adjusted for whatever corporate red tape exists), Kate Bishop (as a bored rich girl eager to use her skills and money to help fight the good fight), and Stature (getting a PlotRelevantAgeUp for the sake of getting this made).
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** Jossed. He uses his regular armor in ''Infinity War'' and ''Endgame''.
* Young Avengers TV series: In the wake of the break-up of the Avengers, a time-travelling youth with Iron Man-like armour named Nate recruits a team of young superhumans band together to remind the world why the Avengers exist, in order to fight the time-travelling Kang the Conqueror. Eager to prove themselves, they quickly get caught up fighting against corrupt prisons experimenting on super-powered youths, a drug ring selling power-granting drugs, an alien war, among other things. Line-up would be Iron Lad (getting mild CompositeCharacter treatment withJonas!Vision Jonas Vision by lasting longer than the first adventure), Wiccan and Speed (as two boys who discover they're twins separated at birth, apparently created as part of the same experiments that would create the Maximoffs), Hulkling (ideally retaining his connection to the Skrull and Kree, but possibly adjusted for whatever corporate red tape exists), Kate Bishop (as a bored rich girl eager to use her skills and money to help fight the good fight), and Stature (getting a PlotRelevantAgeUp for the sake of getting this made).
* Young Avengers TV series: In the wake of the break-up of the Avengers, a time-travelling youth with Iron Man-like armour named Nate recruits a team of young superhumans band together to remind the world why the Avengers exist, in order to fight the time-travelling Kang the Conqueror. Eager to prove themselves, they quickly get caught up fighting against corrupt prisons experimenting on super-powered youths, a drug ring selling power-granting drugs, an alien war, among other things. Line-up would be Iron Lad (getting mild CompositeCharacter treatment with
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* Jossed. The Guardians team up with them, but have nothing to do with their reconciliation.
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Remember, this is the guy who told Congress to get stuffed when they demanded he [[Film/IronMan2 turn over his suits]], and credits himself with "successfully privatizing world peace". It would be significant CharacterDerailment for him to be in favor of placing superhumans under state/transnational governance. The pro-reg side will be represented by someone else.
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Remember, this is the guy who told Congress to get stuffed when they demanded he [[Film/IronMan2 turn over his suits]], and credits himself with "successfully privatizing world peace". It would be significant CharacterDerailment significantly out of character for him to be in favor of placing superhumans under state/transnational governance. The pro-reg side will be represented by someone else.
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* Rhodey will be injured during the film and be forced to retire for now, unable to continue being War Machine, but with the offer of taking upgrades along the lines of the Greg Pak run, or possibly being reassigned to a different devision, where he meets [[Film/CaptainMarvel Carol Danvers]].
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* Rhodey will be injured during the film and be forced to retire for now, unable to continue being War Machine, but with the offer of taking upgrades along the lines of the Greg Pak run, or possibly being reassigned to a different devision, where he meets [[Film/CaptainMarvel [[Film/CaptainMarvel2019 Carol Danvers]].
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*War Machine was only hit because Falcon got out of the way, so...
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** Jossed - Bullseye showed up in the Netflix ''Daredevil'' series, meaning he's off the table.
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** Jossed - Bullseye showed up in the Netflix ''Daredevil'' series, meaning he's off the table. Trickshot (Clint's Brother) would be a better fit anyways.
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** Jossed - Bullseye showed up in the Netflix ''Daredevil'' series, meaning he's off the table.
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This would go worlds to explaining Hawkeye's otherwise erratic behavior and anger in the movie. Kind, responsible, family man Clint Barton would not pressure Wanda to get herself in more trouble no matter what he thought of the Accords...unless he had reason to believe the government holding her was completely corrupt and evil. Being threatened by Ross would also explain why he was furious enough to taunt Tony about Rhodey's broken back ("If you turn your back on Tony Stark, chances are he'll break it!"), something Clint Barton would normally be the last person to do.
[[WMG: Zemo was not the only one manipulating the Avengers.]]
* Thaddeus Ross was clearly just waiting for an excuse to put those superheroes he hates so much in that raft prison. And who in their right mind would put Tony Stark in charge of the mission to capture Captain America, even if Tony did volunteer? (Tony is brilliant and a cinnamon roll, but for that specific mission, the last person you'd want to be in charge.) Perhaps Ross knew of Tony and Steve's rocky relationship and both's stubborn and erratic natures, and let Tony lead the mission specifically to see it go the worst way possible.
* And then there's Sharon Carter. This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU3InsThiXw lays it out, but for those who don't feel like watching the whole thing: everything Sharon says and does in the movie propels Captain America to oppose the law, from the speech she gives at Pegg's funeral (while making direct eye contact with Steve) to delivering Steve and Sam their equipment so they can fight the law. The out-of-nowhere romance could easily be a spy taking advantage of a lonely, stressed-out, traumatized man. What Sharon's motives for helping to cause this "civil war" are, is anyone's guess. She may have been a villain in league with Zemo; or she may simply have been doing her job as a secret agent, acting on orders from a government who wanted the Avengers disassembled (Ross, perhaps).
* As other theories have pointed out, Thanos may also have been involved.
* Basically, the Avengers' actions make far more sense if there were extra layers of manipulation causing them to distrust each other.
[[WMG: Zemo was not the only one manipulating the Avengers.]]
* Thaddeus Ross was clearly just waiting for an excuse to put those superheroes he hates so much in that raft prison. And who in their right mind would put Tony Stark in charge of the mission to capture Captain America, even if Tony did volunteer? (Tony is brilliant and a cinnamon roll, but for that specific mission, the last person you'd want to be in charge.) Perhaps Ross knew of Tony and Steve's rocky relationship and both's stubborn and erratic natures, and let Tony lead the mission specifically to see it go the worst way possible.
* And then there's Sharon Carter. This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU3InsThiXw lays it out, but for those who don't feel like watching the whole thing: everything Sharon says and does in the movie propels Captain America to oppose the law, from the speech she gives at Pegg's funeral (while making direct eye contact with Steve) to delivering Steve and Sam their equipment so they can fight the law. The out-of-nowhere romance could easily be a spy taking advantage of a lonely, stressed-out, traumatized man. What Sharon's motives for helping to cause this "civil war" are, is anyone's guess. She may have been a villain in league with Zemo; or she may simply have been doing her job as a secret agent, acting on orders from a government who wanted the Avengers disassembled (Ross, perhaps).
* As other theories have pointed out, Thanos may also have been involved.
* Basically, the Avengers' actions make far more sense if there were extra layers of manipulation causing them to distrust each other.
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[[WMG: The letter with the flip-phone was ''not'' the first letter Steve sent Tony after the Siberia fight.]]
Multiple viewers who've dealt with various types of abuse find that letter to be a textbook example of a "fake apology" from someone trying to shift blame away from themselves, trying to avoid the issue they're supposedly apologizing for, and build themselves up as the victim and martyr. ''However,'' this changes completely if one presumes that this letter was ''not'' Steve's apology at all, but simply a follow-up to it. Between Siberia and the "Tony Stank" scene, Cap sent a letter, or multiple letters, where he gave a genuine apology and explanation to Tony about why he kept his parents' murders from him. Whatever reasons Cap gave apparently weren't enough to get Tony back on speaking terms with him, but Cap did at least try. The movie just didn't show us it.
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* [[Film/BlackPanther Black Panther.]]
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* [[Film/BlackPanther [[Film/BlackPanther2018 Black Panther.]]
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[[WMG: Ant-Man and Hawkeye will recreate [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelvscapcom/images/4/4f/Hawkeye_and_Ant-man_comic_cover_as_referenced_in_game.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131012164255 this iconic moment]].]] It could allow Ant-Man to sabotage Iron Man or War Machine's armors (much like how he escaped the Falcon by sabotaging his suit). Or if Giant Man is around, then the two can perform their [[MarvelVsCapcom3 Tag Team Special.]]
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[[WMG: Ant-Man and Hawkeye will recreate [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelvscapcom/images/4/4f/Hawkeye_and_Ant-man_comic_cover_as_referenced_in_game.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131012164255 this iconic moment]].]] It could allow Ant-Man to sabotage Iron Man or War Machine's armors (much like how he escaped the Falcon by sabotaging his suit). Or if Giant Man is around, then the two can perform their [[MarvelVsCapcom3 [[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 Tag Team Special.]]
