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[[WMG: Andrew Ryan is [[Franchise/StarTrek Quark]], who has visited 20th century Earth before.]]

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[[WMG: Andrew Ryan is [[Franchise/StarTrek [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Quark]], who has visited 20th century Earth before.]]
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2: Cohen himself. Canon!Jack didn't kill him or [[NotQuiteDead only gave him a flesh wound]], simple as that.
3: Cohen's ghost. As in his actual, non-ADAM memory/quantum-superposition ghost. If anyone was too nutty to fully shed his mortal coil, it would be him.

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2: Cohen himself. *Or Canon!Jack didn't kill never killed him or [[NotQuiteDead only gave him a flesh wound]], simple as that.
3: Cohen's ghost. As in his actual, non-ADAM memory/quantum-superposition ghost. If anyone
and it was too nutty to fully shed his mortal coil, it would be him.Cohen himself, whatever floats your boat.
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The reason why Rapture (and in its timeline/verses, after a while, Columbia) was never really sought out or its vanished people searched for was simple. After this diaspora, other people of talent emerged from the shadows of these shallow overachievers, while others noted that all the people who insisted on their way or the highway just went away. In short, Ryan pulled away the most hardcore of the absolute worst preening jackasses, and most just noticed that their lives involved a lot fewer very difficult people. Now in each timeline/verse, they could easily come to regret this, but for a time, offices, schools, neighborhoods, etc. must have seemed asshole-free.

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The reason why Rapture (and in its timeline/verses, after a while, Columbia) was never really sought out or its vanished people searched for was simple. After this diaspora, other people of talent emerged from the shadows of these shallow overachievers, while others noted that all the people who insisted on their way or the highway just went away. In short, Ryan pulled away the most hardcore of the absolute worst preening jackasses, and most just noticed that their lives involved a lot fewer very difficult people. Now in each timeline/verse, they could easily come to regret this, but for a time, offices, schools, neighborhoods, etc. must have seemed asshole-free.asshole-free.

[[WMG: The Cohen's Laughter and Scherzo Easter Egg in Bioshock 2 is really...]]
1: One of Lamb's experiments. Lamb's goal is to use ADAM to implant the combined memories of Rapture's finest minds into Eleanor. We know from the "Best and Brightest" photograph that Cohen was considered as such by someone at one point and also that Lamb used Gil Alexander as a test subject. Maybe what we heard was some poor mook splicer who was [[GoneHorriblyRight successfully turned into a Cohen carbon copy as a test run]].
2: Cohen himself. Canon!Jack didn't kill him or [[NotQuiteDead only gave him a flesh wound]], simple as that.
3: Cohen's ghost. As in his actual, non-ADAM memory/quantum-superposition ghost. If anyone was too nutty to fully shed his mortal coil, it would be him.
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* The "luminescent biomass" that apparently acts as the original source of ADAM (generating the mutations in the sea slugs), isn't too hard to read as an EldritchAbomination, particularly given the statement in the audio-log found in the Persephone Prison Colony that the recorder could feel something watching him in the water.
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* Eleanor said that Delta would be there "when I need you." So even if his consciousness is still alive and self-aware in her head, it would only be when she called him up. Unless she was somehow never toilet-trained and has no idea how sex works, I don't think she's going to be needing advice in THOSE sorts of situations.
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A rather unpleasant thought, but... How would a concentration camp inmate get to witness Nazi experiments without being a subject? Sterilization was one of the specific areas of interest for Nazi doctors that was non-fatal and would take a teenage girl as a test subject. It's an awful thing, but... wouldn't it explain a lot about Tenenbaum's complex psyche?

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A rather unpleasant thought, but... How would a concentration camp inmate get to witness Nazi experiments without being a subject? Sterilization was one of the specific areas of interest for Nazi doctors that was non-fatal and would take a teenage girl as a test subject. It's an awful thing, but... wouldn't it explain a lot about Tenenbaum's complex psyche?psyche?

[[WMG: Happy to see them go]]
The reason why Rapture (and in its timeline/verses, after a while, Columbia) was never really sought out or its vanished people searched for was simple. After this diaspora, other people of talent emerged from the shadows of these shallow overachievers, while others noted that all the people who insisted on their way or the highway just went away. In short, Ryan pulled away the most hardcore of the absolute worst preening jackasses, and most just noticed that their lives involved a lot fewer very difficult people. Now in each timeline/verse, they could easily come to regret this, but for a time, offices, schools, neighborhoods, etc. must have seemed asshole-free.
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On a side-note, Everstones contain a chemical the neutralizes ADAM (enough to stop evolution, but not enough to remove their powers). If only we could get some to Rapture.

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On a side-note, Everstones contain a chemical the neutralizes ADAM (enough to stop evolution, but not enough to remove their powers). If only we could get some to Rapture.Rapture.

[[WMG: Tenenbaum was sterilized]]
A rather unpleasant thought, but... How would a concentration camp inmate get to witness Nazi experiments without being a subject? Sterilization was one of the specific areas of interest for Nazi doctors that was non-fatal and would take a teenage girl as a test subject. It's an awful thing, but... wouldn't it explain a lot about Tenenbaum's complex psyche?
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\n** Considering the whole AlternateTimelines hook of BioshockInfinite, perhaps this would involve Good!Jack and Good!Eleanor [[BashBrothers teaming up]] [[MirrorMatch to take on]] [[EvilCounterpart Evil!Jack and Evil!Eleanor]]. Although there may still be debate over what the relation between the two should be: a standard BigBad controlling TheDragon, a BigBadDiumvirate, or even being CoDragons to the real BigBad?

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** Having Eleanor as a protagonist would lead to several gameplay issues as she will start off with several powers rather than earning them as the game progresses.
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* His Objectivist principles also had a hand in the downfall of Rapture, particularly when he chose not to regulate ADAM, allowing Fontaine to grow wealthier and more powerful while turning the population into superpowered psychopaths.
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It's what allows them to use element and evolve. Because they evolved with it(Dawinian style, not Pokemon style), they are immune to the detrimental side effects

On a side-note, Everstones contain a chemical the neutralizes ADAM(enough to stop evolution, but not enough to remove their powers.). If only we could get some to Rapture.

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It's what allows them to use element and evolve. Because they evolved with it(Dawinian it (Darwinian style, not Pokemon style), they are immune to the detrimental side effects

On a side-note, Everstones contain a chemical the neutralizes ADAM(enough ADAM (enough to stop evolution, but not enough to remove their powers.).powers). If only we could get some to Rapture.
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* Possibly more popular, as bioshock 2 isn't that well-recieved compared to the original.

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* Possibly more popular, as bioshock BioShock 2 isn't that well-recieved compared to the original.
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This tainted ADAM is far more corrupting to body and mind then the pure stuff. The reason Jack doesn't get all spliced up even after the events of the game is due to him getting his ADAM exclusively from little sisters (one way or the other). The few occasional ghosts Jack does see are leftover from ADAM he got that wasn't quite done purifying. The problem for your average Rapture citizen is the only ADAM typically available for use is the dirty stuff on that dead guy over in the corner (which is probably even worse since he's just the last guy on the congaline of splicers to have that particularly ADAM in them). There's good pure stuff around, but it's in a little sister who has a pretty big bodyguard.

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This tainted ADAM is far more corrupting to body and mind then the pure stuff. The reason Jack doesn't get all spliced up even after the events of the game is due to him getting his ADAM exclusively from little sisters (one way or the other). The few occasional ghosts Jack does see are leftover from ADAM he got that wasn't quite done purifying. The problem for your average Rapture citizen is the only ADAM typically available for use is the dirty stuff on that dead guy over in the corner (which is probably even worse since he's just the last guy on the congaline conga line of splicers to have that particularly ADAM in them). There's good pure stuff around, but it's in a little sister Little Sister who has a pretty big bodyguard.
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Not only are their names very similar (not to mention similarly anglicized), but they have similar back-stories - i.e., immigrating from the Soviet Union, then becoming disenchanted with America. Rapture is Ryan's version of Rand's bibliography.

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Not only are their names very similar (not to mention similarly anglicized), but they have similar back-stories - i.e., immigrating emigrating from the Soviet Union, then becoming disenchanted with America. Rapture is Ryan's version of Rand's bibliography.
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Johnny Topside was a diver who discovered Rapture by accident. Most people in Rapture were probably terrified that someone from the surface could ever find the place and get in, especially if Rapture had been around long enough for a generation of children to grow up with the scare tactics at Ryan Amusements drilled into their brain (even Ryan himself thought that ride was too much). Suchong noticed this when it became necessary to design a protector for the Little Sisters, so heused giant, angry diving suits to play on the citizens fear of the outside. Delta's suit may even be the very one he came to Rapture in.

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Johnny Topside was a diver who discovered Rapture by accident. Most people in Rapture were probably terrified that someone from the surface could ever find the place and get in, especially if Rapture had been around long enough for a generation of children to grow up with the scare tactics at Ryan Amusements drilled into their brain (even Ryan himself thought that ride was too much). Suchong noticed this when it became necessary to design a protector for the Little Sisters, so heused he used giant, angry diving suits to play on the citizens fear of the outside. Delta's suit may even be the very one he came to Rapture in.
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Little girls are the only subjects that can be implanted with slugs to successfully yield up to thirty times the amount of ADAM and gain super healing. It's never stated why other hosts wouldn't be "viable". Perhaps they merely didn't multiply the ADAM output. Jack was implanted with a slug that produces ADAM at an almost worthless rate. The ADAM built up in his body during his entire year on the surface was all blown on Electroshock. However, caffeine and nicotine can cause it to generate Eve. More importantly, even though his cells couldn't regenerate like the Little Sisters, they gained the immunity to the symptoms of splicing that the Sisters have, leaving him free to splice at his leisure without fear of insanity or mutation. This was Fontaine's insurance policy against Jack's plasmid-induced super aging driving him insane while on the surface. If you like, this slug also slowly grew back his vocal chords after the Big Daddy conversion, thus undoing the major continuity error of every postgame fanfic ever.

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Little girls are the only subjects that can be implanted with slugs to successfully yield up to thirty times the amount of ADAM and gain super healing. It's never stated why other hosts wouldn't be "viable". Perhaps they merely didn't multiply the ADAM output. Jack was implanted with a slug that produces ADAM at an almost worthless rate. The ADAM built up in his body during his entire year on the surface was all blown on Electroshock. However, caffeine and nicotine can cause it to generate Eve. More importantly, even though his cells couldn't regenerate like the Little Sisters, they gained the immunity to the symptoms of splicing that the Sisters have, leaving him free to splice at his leisure without fear of insanity or mutation. This was Fontaine's insurance policy against Jack's plasmid-induced super aging driving him insane while on the surface. If you like, this slug also slowly grew back his vocal chords cords after the Big Daddy conversion, thus undoing the major continuity error of every postgame fanfic ever.
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After fulfilling his promise to "Live Outside", his body continues to mutate, making his a gigantic monster that wanders the Atlantic, eventually settling down for hibernation as his body continues to twist and his mind slowly degenerates. A long time later [[Film/{{Cloverfield}} he is awoken by a satellite to the head, confused, he ends up coming ashore in New York and wreaks havoc on the city and its populous, including a few douches with a camcorder.]]

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After fulfilling his promise to "Live Outside", his body continues to mutate, making his a gigantic monster that wanders the Atlantic, eventually settling down for hibernation as his body continues to twist and his mind slowly degenerates. A long time later [[Film/{{Cloverfield}} he is awoken by a satellite to the head, confused, he ends up coming ashore in New York and wreaks havoc on the city and its populous, populace, including a few douches with a camcorder.]]
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On a side-note, Everstones contain a chemical the neutralizes ADAM(enough to stop evolution, but not enough to remove their powers.). If only we could get some to ADAM.

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On a side-note, Everstones contain a chemical the neutralizes ADAM(enough to stop evolution, but not enough to remove their powers.). If only we could get some to ADAM.Rapture.
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** Or he drinks a shit ton of coffee every day to gain more EVE.

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** Or he drinks a shit ton of coffee every day to gain more EVE.EVE.

[[WMG: Pokemon naturally produce ADAM]]
It's what allows them to use element and evolve. Because they evolved with it(Dawinian style, not Pokemon style), they are immune to the detrimental side effects

On a side-note, Everstones contain a chemical the neutralizes ADAM(enough to stop evolution, but not enough to remove their powers.). If only we could get some to ADAM.
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* Aliens that use Molecular Control are actually just Splicers that have invented a new Tonic that [[RequiredSecondarySuperpower allows them to continue using a few plasmids despite ADAM abuse stopping them from doing so.]] MC Control and MC Panic are Hypnotize 2 and a variant of Enrage, respectively.

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* Aliens that use Molecular Control are actually just Splicers that have invented a new Tonic that [[RequiredSecondarySuperpower [[RequiredSecondaryPowers allows them to continue using a few plasmids despite ADAM abuse stopping them from doing so.]] MC Control and MC Panic are Hypnotize 2 and a variant of Enrage, respectively.
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[[WMG: Letting out Gil is not a good idea, part 2]]
Alternatively, after escaping, he falls into a deep sleep. There he continues mutating until he becomes a completely inhuman EldritchAbomination. He (or "it", now) unconsciously mutates all the Splicers so much that they take on entirely new Lovecraftian forms and think that they're an ancient alien race. [[XCom Then they found a city called T'Leth from the ruins of Rapture, and many decades later, emerge on the surface to do battle with soldiers that can somehow throw grenades underwater.]]
* Aliens that use Molecular Control are actually just Splicers that have invented a new Tonic that [[RequiredSecondarySuperpower allows them to continue using a few plasmids despite ADAM abuse stopping them from doing so.]] MC Control and MC Panic are Hypnotize 2 and a variant of Enrage, respectively.
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** But what about the Rumblers, you ask? Demolition crew. As for the mini-turrets, they're just added firepower for the sake of firepower. After all, Rosies carry proxy mines, which wouldn't have much use outside of killing someone, so the Big Daddy creators clearly aren't above that sort of thing.
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After leaving Rapture, Jack decided to put his skills to good use. He eventually ran out of EVE to power his plasmids (and he certainly wasn't going back to Rapture to find more), but his tonics still left him incredibly badass. So, he eventually became a CIA agent, and thus, the Ryanverse began.

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After leaving Rapture, Jack decided to put his skills to good use. He eventually ran out of EVE to power his plasmids (and he certainly wasn't going back to Rapture to find more), but his tonics still left him incredibly badass. So, he eventually became a CIA agent, and thus, the Ryanverse began.began.
** Or he drinks a shit ton of coffee every day to gain more EVE.

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[[WMG: Combining two of the above [=WMGs=], the BigBad of ''[=BioShock=] 2'' will be none other than [[spoiler:Evil!Jack]]]]
Since we know that Big Sister isn't the main villain, someone has to be. And if the bad ending ''is'' canon, then [[spoiler: Jack went crazy with ADAM overdosing.]] Here's my guess. After leaving for some time, he returned to Rapture, bringing a Little Sister with him. He forced her to become the Big Sister and perhaps controls her from afar. He is capturing girls to make into new Little Sisters because he wants to see Rapture rebuilt the way it was [[spoiler: when he visited]]: brimming with ADAM.
** Jossed. The main villain of ''[=BioShock=] 2'' is Sofia Lamb.
*** Perhaps in ''Infinite'', than. Wait, that's a prequel! Damn.



[[WMG: The BigBad of #2 will be a Russian Communist exiled for his refusal to give up his religious beliefs]]
It's been confirmed by WordOfGod that the [[ManBehindTheMan Man Behind The Big Sister]] is a philosophical opposite to Ryan, so quickly-ask yourself what is the diametrically opposed belief system to the atheistic capitalism of Objectivism? Your FridgeLogic (and the fact that I ''gave you the answer'') should allow you to puzzle it out.

As for his motives, he probably has an accurate view of the problems that led to Rapture's descent (unchecked greed, hubris, and UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans), so he wants the Big Sister to help him create a Marxist paradise where Splicers live in relative harmony...Ironically falling into the same trap Ryan did, and resorting to hypocritical actions to force Splicers in line.

If this is true, then he's probably the founder of the "Cult of Jack" we've seen in the interviews.
** Wouldn't Fontaine count as an ideological opposite of Ryan as well, In a NeutralEvil sense? Ryans speech in B1 could peg his ideological opposite as anyone from the CIA to the Vatican. Then again, I did hear what sounded like Russian on the Something in the Sea radio, so this could have some truth to it.
*** Jossed. [[spoiler: Sofia Lamb, an activist, is the villain.]]
*** Ah-ah-aahh! It's actually confirmed, sort of. [[spoiler: Lamb is a ''Collectivist'' who, once she got into power, used the Rapture Family to take control. In multiple audio diaries, Ryan makes the connection between her philosophy and Communism. "A new Kremlin will engulf the council before they catch on."? "Her bolshevik fever dream"?]]
**** Agreed. This theory has [[spoiler: panned out to a surprising degree, to the point where I would say the main issues are the differences in Nationality and Gender. Sophia is an old school missionary with an EXTREME interest in collectivism- to the point where she manipulates her daughter with the intention of basically making her System Shock's The Many in one body, and she DID in fact help found the "Rapture Family" with her Dragon, Wales.]]



[[WMG:Random [=BioShock=] 2 Plot Guesses]]
Just a few predictions for the upcoming sequel:
* As Subject Delta (The ''fourth'' Big Daddy, first one to successfully bond with a little sister) you will encounter Mark Meltzer (The guy from the There's Something Under the Sea website) and can choose to help him in his quest for his daughter
** [[spoiler: confirmed, due to leaked gameplay, as Meltzer will have several audio diaries where his portrait is in color.]]
*** [[spoiler: Sadly...it doesn't end well for poor Mark. He does, at least, find his daughter and lives up to being a good 'daddy' for her.]]
**** [[spoiler: [[BigNo NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!]] I liked Meltzer! Damn that bitch Lamb! Everything she does [[MoralEventHorizon crosses the line!]]]]
* Eleanor Lamb (the little sister that Delta used to protect) will be a Big Sister who will have a HeelFaceTurn and [[spoiler:kill her Mother, BigBad Sofia Lamb by impaling her with the large needle, an ending which mirrors Fontaine's death]]
** [[spoiler: Eleanor does become a Big Sister, but then it depends on the ending.]]
*** [[strike:The manner of death (at least in the good+ ending) is definitely {{Jossed}}: [[spoiler: Eleanor lets her mother drown. looking her in the eyes as she does it.]]]] [[strike:If I ever were to cross paths with Eleanor, I would try not to piss her off.]] Wait, I just noticed it after re-watching. She gave Sofia a breathing apparatus in the good+ ending, so I'm wrong. probably lets her drown in the bad ending though. Must beat game and view all possible endings.
* Depending on the moral choices you made during the game, you will either [[spoiler:Fight Evil Jack or help Good Jack]]
** [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}. Jack only appears in pseudo-religious icons depicting his hands and the plane crash.]]
* Augustus Sinclair will be a RedHerring Atlas: [[spoiler:Despite being nice and helpful and having a hidden agenda, he doesn't become a BigBad.]]
** [[spoiler: Mostly true.]]
* There will be a brief prequel tutorial in which [[spoiler:You end by killing Suchong]]
** Sadly {{Jossed}} by the emergence of the first five minutes: [[spoiler: you learn about the controls while wandering through Adonis Baths, and don't end the tutorial in killing Suchong.]]
* Either you will be related to [[spoiler:Andrew Ryan]] or Sinclair gets you access to the Vita Chambers.
** Confirmed, because of respawn footage.
*** [[spoiler: Actually, as you eventually find out, Eleanor reprogrammed the Vita Chambers with your genetic code.]]
* In the multiplayer story the spawn points will be [[spoiler:Prototype Vita Chambers]] because Sinclair also developed the widespread ones.
** [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}, they just respawn.]]
* Also in multiplayer, Danny Wilkins is related to Peach Wilkins.
** According the the [=BioShock=] Wiki, {{Jossed}}.
* Regardless of ending you chose in the first game, [[spoiler:The Nuclear Submarine was still stolen and it will be featured in game 2's story]]
* Orrin Oscar Lutwidge (another character from the There's Something Under the Sea website) will [[spoiler:return to Rapture]]
** Unlikely, as [[spoiler: Lynch threatened him with torture and killed an orderly who came to check, while Lutwidge is on the run.]]
* Jeremiah Lynch (an antagonist from the There's Something Under the Sea website) will arrive in Rapture and you will have to stop whatever he's been planning.
** [[spoiler: Both above have been {{Jossed}} Oscar Orrin Lutwidge killed him at the end of the ARG and then he committed suicide.]]
*** Huh? Both the wiki and the Something in the Sea website fail to mention [[spoiler:the deaths of Lutwidge or Lynch]]. Despite neither of them being in [=BioShock=] 2, In what source is it said [[spoiler:that they die]]?
**** It was at the final location party in L.A. we arrived hoping to meet Oscar or catch lynch and found two chalk outlines and some 'cops' who explained what happened. Then we went inside for a release party.
* Instead of [[spoiler:Father Wales]] being TheDragon to BigBad [[spoiler:Sofia Lamb]] it actually turns out to be the other way around
** [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}]]
* At some point some of the former minions of either Ryan or Fontaine will [[spoiler:Reveal their employer is alive. when you find said employer, they are in a coma or otherwise harmless you then are given a moral choice. Either kill the man for all his crimes or leave him to his rest.]] This choice will mirror the choice of keeping Sander Cohen alive in the first game. Your choice will either get you immediate reward or you will be rewarded by the employer with advice for taking down [[spoiler:Sofia Lamb]] or [[spoiler:Father Wales]]
** [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}]]
* As for the plot twist, [[spoiler:Rapture's location will be revealed to one or more governments or organizations, providing a SequelHook for game 3]]
** [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}. There's no plot twist of WhamEpisode magnitude, but that doesn't mean the game [[PlayerPunch pulls its punches]]. ]]



That's why the all look and sound alike, the original of each was killed and their ADAM harvested, when it was injected into another person it began transforming them into copies of the original.

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That's why the they all look and sound alike, the original of each was killed and their ADAM harvested, when it was injected into another person it began transforming them into copies of the original.



His fake last name was Meltzer. After leaving Rapture, he takes the name of Tenenbaum, Ryan(unlikely, though we never do know Jack's personal feeling on the guy) or Jolene.

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[[WMG: Jack Ryan is...Jack Ryan]]
After leaving Rapture, Jack decided to put his skills to good use. He eventually ran out of EVE to power his plasmids (and he certainly wasn't going back to Rapture to find more), but his tonics still left him incredibly badass. So, he eventually became a CIA agent, and thus, the Ryanverse began.
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**** The other take on the "Fifth Element" Aether, fits there too.
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[[WMG: 2 Jack and Eleanor are the Protagonist and Antagonist of Bioshock 3]]
I have no idea which is which right now, but here's a few points for each as a hero
Jack:
* Physically the weaker of the two by a extreme margin, making for a better boss fight, as Jack has to outwit the more powerful Eleanor to defeat her.
* Possibly more popular, as bioshock 2 isn't that well-recieved compared to the original.
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* Jack came to the world first, and is more likely to have Mooks, while Eleanor's evil incarnation seems to be a power-hungry BloodKnight compared to the TakeOverTheWorld goal of Jack, finding Mooks for her will be difficult.
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[[WMG: "No Please" is the automatic response no "Would You Kindly."]]

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Quark has visited 20th century Earth before. He wouldn't have a very difficult time returning, as time travel is a fairly regular occurrence in Star Trek. As for his motives, remember that his brother Rom became Nagus and the Ferengi were already undertaking a number of reforms to their society. Rom would probably continue on this course and make Ferengi society more like the Federation way of life, and strengthen relations with the Federation. After all, he was specifically selected by Zek because he wasn't a traditional profit-centric Ferengi like Quark. Consider the effect this would have on Quark; he would watch in horror as his own brother destroyed everything about Ferengi society that Quark had believed in and built his life around. So, Quark decided to get revenge on humanity by trying to ensure that humanity never abandoned capitalism.

Now, I realize this would be massive character derailment, but consider that other Ferengi depicted in the series have been shown to be quite vicious, vindictive, and completely amoral when isolated from their society e.g. many TNG Ferengi and the space pirate Ferengi in Enterprise. Although this has never been formally addressed in canon, it would seem that Ferengi go insane when cut off from the comforts of their capitalistic culture. Since as far as Quark was concerned, his culture was destroyed forever, he would probably have gone completely insane. His only motive at that point was payback against those who tore down his culture, the human race.

First, he would have to be able to live among humans unnoticed. Given Quark's extensive black market connections, he wouldn't have difficult time finding someone who could perform the necessary genetic and surgical alterations to disguise him. Then he acquired whatever advanced technology he could get his hands on to take to 20th century Earth in an attempt to revolutionize human society in a way that would ensure that they would continue to support capitalism in the centuries that followed. This included advanced genetic engineering technology that could grant the empathic and telekinetic abilities seen in some species to humans. This technology became the basis for the radical genetic alterations seen in the Splicers. In addition, he brought other advanced tech that would make it possible to build an underwater city with computerized security and defense systems.

Because time travel can be dangerous and unpredictable, he was unable to control exactly which time he could travel to, so let's say he was targeting sometime in the late 19th-early 20th century when collectivist movements began gaining momentum. Now, his actual trip back in time didn't go as planned, and he ended up with much of the advanced tech he brought back damaged, but enough of it survived that he was able to use his own knowledge of it's working to recreate it with early 20th century equipment and materials. He wasn't able to prevent the Russian Revolution of 1917, but he was able to establish an objectivist movement which then laid the foundation for Rapture. His human name was intentionally chosen based on Ayn Rand's name and her works were the inspiration for his vision for humanity's future. His goal at that point was to set up a free market society which would be able to survive a nuclear war, and then goad the USA and Soviet Union into destroying each other. Obviously, he no longer had 24th century weapons available, or he would have been able to wipe out the USA and USSR on his own. Unfortunately, this meant that he wouldn't be able to fully isolate Rapture from the influences of the surface world, otherwise he would be unable to manipulate the surface powers into engaging in nuclear war.

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He wouldn't have a very difficult time returning, as time travel is a fairly regular occurrence in Star Trek.''Franchise/StarTrek''. As for his motives, remember that his brother Rom became Nagus and the Ferengi were already undertaking a number of reforms to their society. Rom would probably continue on this course and make Ferengi society more like the Federation way of life, and strengthen relations with the Federation. After all, he was specifically selected by Zek because he wasn't a traditional profit-centric Ferengi like Quark. Consider the effect this would have on Quark; he would watch in horror as his own brother destroyed everything about Ferengi society that Quark had believed in and built his life around. So, Quark decided to get revenge on humanity by trying to ensure that humanity never abandoned capitalism.

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Now, I realize this would be massive character derailment, but consider that other Ferengi depicted in the series have been shown to be quite vicious, vindictive, and completely amoral when isolated from their society e.g. many TNG Ferengi and the space pirate Ferengi in Enterprise. Although this has never been formally addressed in canon, it would seem that Ferengi go insane when cut off from the comforts of their capitalistic culture. Since as far as Quark was concerned, his culture was destroyed forever, he would probably have gone completely insane. His only motive at that point was payback against those who tore down his culture, the human race.

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First, he would have to be able to live among humans unnoticed. Given Quark's extensive black market connections, he wouldn't have difficult time finding someone who could perform the necessary genetic and surgical alterations to disguise him. Then he acquired whatever advanced technology he could get his hands on to take to 20th century Earth in an attempt to revolutionize human society in a way that would ensure that they would continue to support capitalism in the centuries that followed. This included advanced genetic engineering technology that could grant the empathic and telekinetic abilities seen in some species to humans. This technology became the basis for the radical genetic alterations seen in the Splicers. In addition, he brought other advanced tech that would make it possible to build an underwater city with computerized security and defense systems.

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Because time travel can be dangerous and unpredictable, he was unable to control exactly which time he could travel to, so let's say he was targeting sometime in the late 19th-early 20th century when collectivist movements began gaining momentum. Now, his actual trip back in time didn't go as planned, and he ended up with much of the advanced tech he brought back damaged, but enough of it survived that he was able to use his own knowledge of it's working to recreate it with early 20th century equipment and materials. He wasn't able to prevent the Russian Revolution of 1917, but he was able to establish an objectivist movement which then laid the foundation for Rapture. His human name was intentionally chosen based on Ayn Rand's name and her works were the inspiration for his vision for humanity's future. His goal at that point was to set up a free market society which would be able to survive a nuclear war, and then goad the USA and Soviet Union into destroying each other. Obviously, he no longer had 24th century weapons available, or he would have been able to wipe out the USA and USSR on his own. Unfortunately, this meant that he wouldn't be able to fully isolate Rapture from the influences of the surface world, otherwise he would be unable to manipulate the surface powers into engaging in nuclear war.
war.\\
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If it had been underwater, it is doubtful that whales and giant squid would swim so close or that the building exteriors would be free of your typical underwater growths. Also, there is no evidence of the adverse effects of being underwater (air pressure and so on) affecting the residents. All of the water leaking in all over the place is part of the illusion.
* No, the water that "leaks" in is real--it's piped in from somewhere to form "leaks" to enhance the illusion of there being water outside. It's not illusory water.
* The effects of living underwater could have been major problems for the people living in Rapture before everyone went crazy; they're just too far gone by now for it to be noticeable. The people living in Rapture didn't go psychotic long before the start of the game, either, so they could have been removing plant life and barnacles from their buildings up until a few years before the main character arrives in the city.
* Debunked in [=BioShock=] 2. You play as the first Big Daddy and there are scenes in which you can walk on the ocean floor.
* However, you're encased in a huge suit of powered armor, with only a little window into the world. If the conspirators can project images into every window in Rapture, surely they can do the same to your helmet's visor! (Yeah, yeah, and we might all be brains in jars, I know.)
** Still Jossed by the ending. You can physically see the ocean from the cutscene outside the ballast escape pod.
* Err, what about the fact that you're swimming in the goddamn ocean at the beginning of the first game? Then you step into the lighthouse, and go to the bathysphere. Therefore, you are definitely underwater. In fact, you're already underwater when you enter the bathysphere, albeit, not too far. And don't you dare say it was AllJustADream.
* Rapture was just a hallucination caused by an Android trying to drown you in an aquarium, really it is 1912 and you're in a flying city. http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14258733/bioshock-3/videos/bioshock_trl_081210.html?show=hi
** Also Jossed. WordOfGod says that [=BioShock=] Infinites Colombia (the flying city) is set in the same universe as Rapture.
*** Same universe, maybe, but WordOfGod also says its a different timeline.
* What about near the beginning of the game when you're walking down the glass tunnel and the tail section of Jack's plane crashes into the tunnel, breaking it and pouring water inside?

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* If it had been underwater, it is doubtful that whales and giant squid would swim so close or that the building exteriors would be free of your typical underwater growths. Also, there is no evidence of the adverse effects of being underwater (air pressure and so on) affecting the residents. All of the water leaking in all over the place is part of the illusion.
* ** No, the water that "leaks" in is real--it's piped in from somewhere to form "leaks" to enhance the illusion of there being water outside. It's not illusory water.
* ** The effects of living underwater could have been major problems for the people living in Rapture before everyone went crazy; they're just too far gone by now for it to be noticeable. The people living in Rapture didn't go psychotic long before the start of the game, either, so they could have been removing plant life and barnacles from their buildings up until a few years before the main character arrives in the city.
* ** Debunked in [=BioShock=] 2.''[=BioShock=] 2''. You play as the first Big Daddy and there are scenes in which you can walk on the ocean floor.
* *** However, you're encased in a huge suit of powered armor, with only a little window into the world. If the conspirators can project images into every window in Rapture, surely they can do the same to your helmet's visor! (Yeah, yeah, and we might all be brains in jars, I know.)
** *** Still Jossed by the ending. You can physically see the ocean from the cutscene outside the ballast escape pod.
* ** Err, what about the fact that you're swimming in the goddamn ocean at the beginning of the first game? Then you step into the lighthouse, and go to the bathysphere. Therefore, you are definitely underwater. In fact, you're already underwater when you enter the bathysphere, albeit, not too far. And don't you dare say it was AllJustADream.
* ** Rapture was just a hallucination caused by an Android android trying to drown you in an aquarium, really it is 1912 and you're in a flying city. http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14258733/bioshock-3/videos/bioshock_trl_081210.html?show=hi
** *** Also Jossed. WordOfGod says that [=BioShock=] Infinites ''[=BioShock=] Infinite'''s Colombia (the flying city) is set in the same universe as Rapture.
*** Same universe, maybe, but WordOfGod also says its it's a different timeline.
* ** What about near the beginning of the game when you're walking down the glass tunnel and the tail section of Jack's plane crashes into the tunnel, breaking it and pouring water inside?



[[WMG: Rapture isn't near Ry'leh, but it IS in a Lovecraftian universe]]
The universe created by Lovecraft encompasses far more then just the usual suspects like Ry'leh, Cthulhu and the Deep Ones. However, the unexplained existence of strange abominable slugs who allow for [[BioAugmentation mutations]] beyond the logical possibilities of human DNA, and their introduction to Rapture inevitably leading to Insanity taking over the populace and ending Rapture's GloryDays, do sound strangely Lovecraftian. Those slugs were indeed ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow...
* Possibly confirmed by [[http://www.somethinginthesea.com/ the viral website]] for the sequel - one of the pieces of paper says that [[spoiler: one of the kidnappings took place in Innsmouth, RI. It's in the upper left corner, third item from the "top"]]
** This troper agrees with this theory, and would like to make an addition. The ADAM slugs are the gibletized remains of a EldritchAbomination. after all, [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Even dead gods still dream.]]]]
* Also, one of the idle Little Sister quotes in Bioschock 2 (when she's with another Big Daddy, to be precise) is;

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[[WMG: Rapture isn't near Ry'leh, R'lyeh, but it IS in a Lovecraftian universe]]
The universe created by Lovecraft encompasses far more then just the usual suspects like Ry'leh, Cthulhu and the Deep Ones. However, the unexplained existence of strange abominable slugs who allow for [[BioAugmentation mutations]] beyond the logical possibilities of human DNA, and their introduction to Rapture inevitably leading to Insanity insanity taking over the populace and ending Rapture's GloryDays, do sound strangely Lovecraftian. Those slugs were indeed ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow...
* Possibly confirmed by [[http://www.somethinginthesea.com/ the viral website]] website for the sequel - one of the pieces of paper says that [[spoiler: one of the kidnappings took place in Innsmouth, RI. It's in the upper left corner, third item from the "top"]]
RI.
** This troper agrees with this theory, and would like to make an addition. The ADAM slugs are the gibletized remains of a EldritchAbomination. after all, [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Even even dead gods still dream.]]]]
* Also, one of the idle Little Sister quotes in Bioschock 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' (when she's with another Big Daddy, to be precise) is;



* Which is a pretty obvious reference to [[CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]]. This is also relevant to the previous WMG.

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* Which is a pretty obvious reference to [[CthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]]. This is also relevant to the previous WMG.



In the initial descent to Rapture, we see a Big-Daddy-sized creature repairing one of the tunnels. Additionally, while Splicers get much less common as areas are cleaned out, there is always a fixed number of Big Daddies in any given area, meaning that they're coming in from somewhere. There's also the fact that they're wearing giant, self-contained diving suits. When an individual Big Daddy isn't defending a Little Sister, he's making repairs or removing underwater growths from the outside of Rapture's various buildings.
* There is actually substantive evidence suggesting this. The two primary BD weapons? A giant drill (useful for cleaning off the outside of Rapture), and a rivet gun, which could be used to patch leaks. Not to mention that, in at least 1 area of Rapture, you can see dead Big Daddies sitting on the ocean floor, OUTSIDE of Rapture. Now what are they doing out there?

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In the initial descent to Rapture, we see a Big-Daddy-sized Big Daddy-sized creature repairing one of the tunnels. Additionally, while Splicers get much less common as areas are cleaned out, there is always a fixed number of Big Daddies in any given area, meaning that they're coming in from somewhere. There's also the fact that they're wearing giant, self-contained diving suits. When an individual Big Daddy isn't defending a Little Sister, he's making repairs or removing underwater growths from the outside of Rapture's various buildings.
* There is actually substantive evidence suggesting this. The two primary BD weapons? A giant drill (useful for cleaning off the outside of Rapture), and a rivet gun, which could be used to patch leaks. Not to mention that, in at least 1 one area of Rapture, you can see dead Big Daddies sitting on the ocean floor, OUTSIDE of Rapture. Now what are they doing out there?



* Pretty much confirmed in the beginning stage of [=BioShock=] 2, where a Rosie is clearly seen repairing a leak from the outside. Keep in mind this takes place some ten odd years after Rapture went to hell in a hand basket.

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* Pretty much confirmed in the beginning stage of [=BioShock=] 2, ''[=BioShock=] 2'', where a Rosie is clearly seen repairing a leak from the outside. Keep in mind this takes place some ten odd years after Rapture went to hell in a hand basket.



In Ryan's office is a Vita-chamber, sealed up but apparently functional. The Vita-chambers work based on Ryan's DNA. Not a big leap to think he cloned himself after you left and escaped/went after Fontaine/is building a new Rapture/etc.

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In Ryan's office is a Vita-chamber, Vita-Chamber, sealed up but apparently functional. The Vita-chambers Vita-Chambers work based on Ryan's DNA. Not a big leap to think he cloned himself after you left and escaped/went after Fontaine/is building a new Rapture/etc.



** In retrospect, the Vita Chamber's instructions say that he will be cloned at the NEAREST AVAILABLE CHAMBER. What's to say that Ryan didn't decant at another chamber (the chamber just outside of Ryan's office, if I recall) and flee Rapture?
** I've perused some of the plot guides from Gamefaqs, and supposedly Vita Chambers don't work that way. It seems there aren't any of the chambers near Suchong's apartment, so if you die there, you get a game over instead of a regeneration. Also keep in mind that Ryan had access to bathyspheres and other subs - if he wanted to leave Rapture, he had ample opportunity to do so.
*** The same applies to the final boss, you get a message stating that you cannot save and there are no vita chambers nearby, so if you die you have to start over from the autosave.

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** In retrospect, the Vita Chamber's Vita-Chamber's instructions say that he will be cloned at the NEAREST AVAILABLE CHAMBER. What's to say that Ryan didn't decant at another chamber (the chamber just outside of Ryan's office, if I recall) and flee Rapture?
** I've perused some of the plot guides from Gamefaqs, [=GameFAQs=], and supposedly Vita Chambers Vita-Chambers don't work that way. It seems there aren't any of the chambers near Suchong's apartment, so if you die there, you get a game over instead of a regeneration. Also keep in mind that Ryan had access to bathyspheres and other subs - if he wanted to leave Rapture, he had ample opportunity to do so.
*** The same applies to the final boss, you get a message stating that you cannot save and there are no vita chambers Vita-Chambers nearby, so if you die you have to start over from the autosave.



*** It doesn't say that he's not alive...just that he's not * the* villain. Though it would completely wreck the scene of his death in [=BioShock=] considering how he went out of his way to make his death a giant MindScrew for Jack. Also, Big Sister runs Rapture now, so if he were alive, he apparently has no power over the city anymore.

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*** It doesn't say that he's not alive...just that he's not * the* *the* villain. Though it would completely wreck the scene of his death in [=BioShock=] ''[=BioShock=]'' considering how he went out of his way to make his death a giant MindScrew for Jack. Also, Big Sister runs Rapture now, so if he were alive, he apparently has no power over the city anymore.



*** News these days seem to say that the main baddie of [=BioShock=] 2 is some sort of cult leader that the Splicers and Big Sisters follow who wants to kill you and bring Rapture back to its former state.

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*** News these days seem to say that the main baddie of [=BioShock=] 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' is some sort of cult leader that the Splicers and Big Sisters follow who wants to kill you and bring Rapture back to its former state.



Its never mentioned who they actually are, only that recruits will be easy to find. Since they had a lot of difficulty getting Big Daddies to like the little sisters, they may have tried using men who already have young daughters, since they would be more receptive to being around (and protecting) young girls. Part of the Big Daddy creation process would then include a plasmid that tricks them into believing that all of the little sisters are in fact their own children, which can explain their intense devotion towards protecting them.

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Its It's never mentioned who they actually are, only that recruits will be easy to find. Since they had a lot of difficulty getting Big Daddies to like the little sisters, Little Sisters, they may have tried using men who already have young daughters, since they would be more receptive to being around (and protecting) young girls. Part of the Big Daddy creation process would then include a plasmid that tricks them into believing that all of the little sisters are in fact their own children, which can explain their intense devotion towards protecting them.



** Its also shown in the factory that creates the little sisters that the Big Daddies get their food when the sister gives out her Adam. There's a button marked with a little sister symbol, and a big daddy symbol. The sister button gets you hurt (Symbolizing that A needle just jabbed you) and then when you activate the Big Daddy Button, Chip bags fall out. Note however: You cannot simply push the big daddy button over and over, You have to activate the little sister button, and THEN you can get the bag of chips. Being told "Keep this brat safe or you'll starve to death." Is another way to keep them on their toes regarding others in Rapture.
*** Actually, the buttons are labeled with a Big Daddy and standard representation of a man (or a woman, I don't recall which). This area is for training the Little Sisters to associate Big Daddies with reward (hence the chips), and ''anyone else'' with punishment/pain (hence the, well, pain). If you look, both buttons are at an inconvenient height for an adult, put perfectly placed for a child.
*** The big daddy button will also re-dispense chips, it just takes a little time to reset. I'd been blown up a lot by the rocket turrets and was out of first aid kits at the time, ducked into that room to get out of sight of the splicers, and I frobbed the button until it barfed up enough chips for me to completely heal. After zapping myself with the other one when the big daddy didn't drop chips the second time...

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** Its It's also shown in the factory that creates the little sisters Little Sisters that the Big Daddies get their food when the sister gives out her Adam. ADAM. There's a button marked with a little sister Little Sister symbol, and a big daddy Big Daddy symbol. The sister Sister button gets you hurt (Symbolizing (symbolizing that A a needle just jabbed you) and then when you activate the Big Daddy Button, Chip button, chip bags fall out. Note however: You you cannot simply push the big daddy Big Daddy button over and over, You you have to activate the little sister Little Sister button, and THEN you can get the bag of chips. Being told "Keep this brat safe or you'll starve to death." Is is another way to keep them on their toes regarding others in Rapture.
*** Actually, the buttons are labeled with a Big Daddy and standard representation of a man (or a woman, I don't recall which). This area is for training the Little Sisters to associate Big Daddies with reward (hence the chips), and ''anyone else'' with punishment/pain (hence the, well, pain). If you look, both buttons are at an inconvenient height for an adult, put but perfectly placed for a child.
*** The big daddy Big Daddy button will also re-dispense chips, it just takes a little time to reset. I'd been blown up a lot by the rocket turrets and was out of first aid kits at the time, ducked into that room to get out of sight of the splicers, and I frobbed the button until it barfed up enough chips for me to completely heal. After zapping myself with the other one when the big daddy Big Daddy didn't drop chips the second time...



* [=BioShock=] 2 gives credence to this theory in the form of Mark Meltzer, who came to Rapture specifically to rescue his daughter, who had been turned into a Little Sister. He was arrested for trespassing, and he was given a choice: to be executed, or to become a Big Daddy bonded to his daughter. Upon killing him (unknowingly, as when you meet him he seems to be just another Big Daddy - but his corpse is labeled), his daughter reacts the same as every other Little Sister; crying over their dead Daddy at first, and then accepting the player as their new Daddy, completely forgetting their former one. [[TearJerker You gotta feel for the guy,]] after all he went through to get her back.

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* [=BioShock=] 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' gives credence to this theory in the form of Mark Meltzer, who came to Rapture specifically to rescue his daughter, who had been turned into a Little Sister. He was arrested for trespassing, and he was given a choice: to be executed, or to become a Big Daddy bonded to his daughter. Upon killing him (unknowingly, as when you meet him he seems to be just another Big Daddy - but his corpse is labeled), his daughter reacts the same as every other Little Sister; crying over their dead Daddy at first, and then accepting the player as their new Daddy, completely forgetting their former one. [[TearJerker You gotta feel for the guy,]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog after all he went through to get her back.
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We saw the little sisters stab the hell out of him...but that doesn't mean a giant plasmid mutant like he became is necessarily dead. The red glow under the ocean and the kidnappings of the young girls are all Fontaine trying to get more ADAM sources again. In the good canon, Jack took all the Little Sisters with him, so Fontaine is trying to find them and starts snatching little girls of the right age assuming they could be the same.

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We saw the little sisters Little Sisters stab the hell out of him...but that doesn't mean a giant plasmid mutant like he became is necessarily dead. The red glow under the ocean and the kidnappings of the young girls are all Fontaine trying to get more ADAM sources again. In the good canon, Jack took all the Little Sisters with him, so Fontaine is trying to find them and starts snatching little girls of the right age assuming they could be the same.



** As a alternative method of survival, he could have used the vita chambers. He knows they exist and work, he has the genetic key to Rapture, and seemed to have a back up plan for everything. It's not hard to imagine that he attuned them to his genetic code while he was preparing for his battle with Jack. Having them used ''against you'' in the second game would be a nice twist on things.

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** As a alternative method of survival, he could have used the vita chambers.Vita-Chambers. He knows they exist and work, he has the genetic key to Rapture, and seemed to have a back up plan for everything. It's not hard to imagine that he attuned them to his genetic code while he was preparing for his battle with Jack. Having them used ''against you'' in the second game would be a nice twist on things.



** Jossed. The plot of [=BioShock=] 2 only works assuming Jack didn't destroy/take over the world in the seven year gap between the games. Plus, Jack is no longer present in Rapture in the second game.

[[WMG: Combining two of the above {{WMG}}s, the BigBad of [=BioShock=] 2 will be none other than [[spoiler:Evil!Jack]]]]

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** Jossed. The plot of [=BioShock=] 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' only works assuming Jack didn't destroy/take over the world in the seven year gap between the games. Plus, Jack is no longer present in Rapture in the second game.

[[WMG: Combining two of the above {{WMG}}s, [=WMGs=], the BigBad of [=BioShock=] 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' will be none other than [[spoiler:Evil!Jack]]]]



** Jossed. The main villain of [=BioShock=] 2 is Sofia Lamb.
*** Perhaps in Infinite, than. Wait, that's a prequel! Damn.

[[WMG: Sander Cohen is a series of clones, and will be making a return in [=BioShock=] 2]]

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** Jossed. The main villain of [=BioShock=] 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' is Sofia Lamb.
*** Perhaps in Infinite, ''Infinite'', than. Wait, that's a prequel! Damn.

[[WMG: Sander Cohen is a series of clones, and will be making a return in [=BioShock=] 2]]''[=BioShock=] 2'']]



[[WMG: [=BioShock=] shares the same universe as Franchise/MetalGear.]]
* Portable Ops establishes the basis for Big Boss's cloning into Solid, Liquid and Solidus Snakes. This is in the late 1960s. Surely an expert understanding of DNA had to come from somewhere. In Rapture scientists can mutate DNA so that Jack can shoot FIRE out of his hands, showing that expert understanding. Now, if Fontaine's forces smuggled Bibles from outside Rapture, surely it wouldn't be too difficult for a couple of Rapture scientists to come up with the Plasmid technology, smuggle it out and sold their secrets to the US or the Soviet Union. Also to note is the stress on both game series on megascale mechanical engineering. Who knows - scientists who sneaked out from Rapture earlier could have gone to the Soviet Union and incorporate that drill idea for a giant ICBM tank...

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[[WMG: [=BioShock=] ''[=BioShock=]'' shares the same universe as Franchise/MetalGear.''Franchise/MetalGear''.]]
* Portable Ops ''Portable Ops'' establishes the basis for Big Boss's cloning into Solid, Liquid and Solidus Snakes. This is in the late 1960s. Surely an expert understanding of DNA had to come from somewhere. In Rapture scientists can mutate DNA so that Jack can shoot FIRE out of his hands, showing that expert understanding. Now, if Fontaine's forces smuggled Bibles from outside Rapture, surely it wouldn't be too difficult for a couple of Rapture scientists to come up with the Plasmid technology, smuggle it out and sold their secrets to the US or the Soviet Union. Also to note is the stress on both game series on megascale mechanical engineering. Who knows - scientists who sneaked out from Rapture earlier could have gone to the Soviet Union and incorporate that drill idea for a giant ICBM tank...






[[WMG: Ryan Industries got help from Vault-Tec when constructing Rapture.]]

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[[WMG: Ryan Industries got help from Vault-Tec [[VideoGame/{{Fallout}} Vault-Tec]] when constructing Rapture.]]









He really got killed when Fontaine became more plasmid then man. Jack was actually lying on the ground,imaging that he was saving the little sisters or taking over the world,while he slowly died. He never escaped and never beat Fontaine.I mean,Fontaine is basically Superhuman in every way,no man could beat him on the first try,even with the amount of guns Jack was carrying,but Jack probably got the last laugh when Fontaine got killed by the little sisters in a revenge attack. Sadly,though,they were a little too late.

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He really got killed when Fontaine became more plasmid then man. Jack was actually lying on the ground,imaging ground, imaging that he was saving the little sisters or taking over the world,while world, while he slowly died. He never escaped and never beat Fontaine. I mean,Fontaine is basically Superhuman in every way,no man could beat him on the first try,even with the amount of guns Jack was carrying,but carrying, but Jack probably got the last laugh when Fontaine got killed by the little sisters in a revenge attack. Sadly,though,they Sadly, though, they were a little too late.

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Because, let's face it, it's an extreme coincidence that the two [[BigBad big bads]] represent the worst of Black and White. Meanwhile, the sea slugs that make ADAM have something to do with Phyrexia.

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Because, let's face it, it's an extreme coincidence that the two [[BigBad big bads]] {{Big Bad}}s represent the worst of Black and White. Meanwhile, the sea slugs that make ADAM have something to do with Phyrexia.

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