History WMG / BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice

Their names weren't said onscreen (I know Jimmy's wasn't and I don't remember Mercy's; correct me if I'm wrong) and there are a few signs that DC is learning from the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy produced by Snyder's work so far. As such, even though they were intended to be those characters according to WordOfGod, the final product leaves room for the "real" Jimmy and Mercy Graves to be revealed and show their stuff.

[[WMG: The main villain is not going to be Lex Luthor. It will be Red Hood.]]

Note the clips of Batman branding a criminal and the Bat-Plane killing several people! These are entirely out of character for Bats but entirely IN-CHARACTER for the Red Hood.. Plus, we have the whole "Dead Robin Shrine" which was seen in the first trailer by WebVideo/CinemaSins (And confirmed in Trailer 2) and add on to the fact that DC is trying to push Red Hood, and we have a perfect storyline. Batman is mad at Superman due to the fight which killed his family, which, by the way, you could actually see within Man of Steel, Zod slicing down Wayne Tower, just from inside the building, and Superman is mad because Batman seems to be killing normal criminals, while Red Hood is really doing it all. Not bad for a [[Riley1sCool kid]] huh?

** Pretty straightforward.

[[WMG: The burn scar on Bruce's shoulder is either from Firefly or one of the Joker's squirting acid weapons.]]

* Confirmed - although he's never addressed using his comic name, Anatoli Knyazev (AKA KGBeast) is TheDragon to Lex.

1. Why else would Warner Bros. hire [[Creator/JeremyIrons an A-list actor]] [[Disney/TheLionKing known for playing a parent-killing villain?]]

-->'''Flash:''' So what’s with the ice palace?
-->'''Superman:''' This is my fortress of solitude. I built it to be my home away from everyone. I’m sure you can relate.
-->'''Flash:''' Sure thing, [[Disney/{{Frozen}} Elsa]]!

[[http://comicbook.com/2016/01/26/gal-gadot-says-sexuality-is-part-of-wonder-womans-power/ In a recent interview]], Snyder and Gadot talk about Diana's character in perspective, between ''[[{{Film/WonderWoman}} Wonder Woman]]'' and ''Batman v Superman''. They make it clear that she is ''old'', roughly 5,000 years, with the latter years spent engaging with humanity--and our wars. By ''[=BvS=]'' she will have seen humanity at our worst, and despite her desire to bring peace to it, she has become weary and battle-worn. She doesn't retreat back to Themscyra, however: she wants to continue her crusade, but as Diana Prince, diplomat and ambassador. Retiring her Wonder Woman persona may be a result of not wanting to solve conflicts with violence anymore, not when it's at the cost of so many lives.

Frank Miller's Batman alternates between the blue, grey & yellow version and a black & grey variant, so why not this one? As anyone who has read ''ComicBook/DCTheNewFrontier'' can tell you, Batman changing from his dark and imposing look to a more colourful campy look is an attempt to appear more friendly to the people he's protecting. And with a ''Film/JusticeLeague'' movie in the works, having Batman going from a being a recluse to one of the most recognisable heroes would definitely warrant a redesign.

* I get how this could work in-universe, but in a meta sense, it's just so out of place for Batman to be the one to teach ThouShaltNotKill after past incarnations [[Film/{{Batman}} tied a gargoyle to the Joker's leg]], [[Film/BatmanBegins left Ra's al Ghul on a train about to crash]], and [[Film/TheDarkKnight shoved Harvey Dent off a building]] (the last one being almost the ''exact same situation'' that Clark was in at the end of his movie).

[[WMG: There will be a ShoutOut to ''Film/{{Batman}}'' (1989)]]

[[WMG: Lex will be the villain in the second movie, and there will be a shout out to ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'' and Franchise/TheDCAU]]

* Technically, DCAU!Lex built half the ''buildings'' and ''employed'' two thirds of the citizens (whether they knew or not).

* [[NowYouSeeMe I swear to God, if somebody says anything about magic tricks next...]]

-[[spoiler: Confirmed.]]

- [[spoiler: confirmed, although he only threatens uses Martha to blackmail him into fighting Batman. He threatens Lois Lane to get him to meet him.]]

[[spoiler: jossed. Lex definitely wanted Batman to win.]]

SPOILERRIFIC!!! [[spoiler: At the end of the film, Wonder Woman states that she lost faith in humanity 100 years before the events of the film. Assuming that the film happens anywhere post 2010, the most likely offender is World War I, which kicked off somewhere around 1914. As any history book will tell you, the World Wars were nothing short of unpleasant.
* [[spoiler: Since the WW movie will indeed take place in WWI, this is most likely true.]]

1. Why else would Warner Bros. hire [[Creator/JeremyIrons an A-list actor]] [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKing known for playing a parent-killing villain?]]

*** Yes but again, Batfleck is completely different from [[Creator/ChristianBale Bat-Bale]]. It's [[http://screenrant.com/batman-vs-superman-difference-between-ben-affleck-christian-bale/ mentioned]] that Batfleck would be ''an older and wiser version'' that would complement with Creator/HenryCavill's Superman, probably similar to Bruce Wayne's version from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''. Anyways, I guess most people are very used to Franchise/TheDarkKnightTrilogy.

A CrowningMomentOfFunny, of course.

* Well, the last one got a few complaints about not doing enough to establish the DCExtendedUniverse. And we all know how ''that's'' going...

All of the thugs and lackeys Batman attacked in the movie are still alive. They are all lying in hospital beds.

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We know, thanks to the Ultimate Edition, that the sex trafficker was killed in prison on Lex's orders. But we also know that Cesar was working for Knyazev in the first place. What if Lex told Knyazev to get into sex trafficking just so he could leak it to Batman, get some criminals branded, and then have them murdered? At the very least, it would start to turn public opinion against Batman, and at most, it would turn Superman against him. And all it would cost is the life of some low-level criminal.

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** Most people are already calling it ''WorldsFinest'', because it's both the title of the pre-ComicBook/{{Crisis|on Infinite Earths}} BatmanSuperman crossover comic, as well as the CrossOver movie which codified the Franchise/{{DCAU}} between [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Batman]] and [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Superman]].

[[WMG: GalGadot will only cameo as WonderWoman]]

Superman failed to save the world in ''Man of Steel'' and now they are all dead and the entire DC Universe is about the heroes journey to redemption to enter Paradise and atone for their sins. Because a WMG on TVTropes isn't a WMG on TVTropes unless EverybodyIsJesusInPurgatory.

** Jossed, he'll be played by WillSmith, see ''Film/SuicideSquad2016''.

* While it's pretty well known that a lot of Batman's story draws inspiration from ''The Dark Knight Returns'', the idea of the Joker knowing his identity and tormenting him thus has been explored in [[spoiler: the comics through "Death of the Family" and "Endgame"--the latter being what confirms that post-Flashpoint DCU has the Joker figure it out]] and ''BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker''. Incidentally, ''ROTJ'' is also of a story from a continuity where Batman retired after a tragedy [[spoiler: namely the torture of Robin, through which the Joker learns Batman's identity. ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'' features a scene ''very'' reminiscent to how the Joker tortured Robin]].

SPOILERRIFIC!!! [[spoiler: At the end of the film, Wonder Woman states that she lost faith in humanity 100 years before the events of the film. Assuming that the film happens anywhere post 2010, the most likely offender is World War I, which kicked off somewhere around 1914. As any history book will tell you, the World Wars [[UnderStatement were nothing short of unpleasant, to say the least.]]]]

Since Batman was very mean [[spoiler: (understatement, attempted murder is worse than a little mean)]] to Superman, Clark will get even by soaping all the mirrors in Bruce's house, shortsheeting all the beds, and pulling off other pranks. Because good guys should forgive others, Clark won't beat Bruce up. Not only because that would prove Batman's paranoia to be correct.