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Bit of a jump to be sure, but this wouldn't be the first time a later Ayreon album has put something from an earlier one in a totally different light.
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Bit of a jump to be sure, but this wouldn't be the first time a later Ayreon album has put something from an earlier one in a totally different light.light.
[[WMG: The Prophet from ''The Source'' received his visions due to the Final Experiment's Time Telepathy program.]]
Not only are his prophecies always eerily accurate, even to events beyond the plot of his specific album, in ''01011001'', there is a line indicating an unheeded warning "buried deep within us all". The Forever, after migrating to Planet Y, had such a telepathic link that their consciousnesses blended, meaning his visions were theirs as well. But all that is window dressing for the real question: where did they ''come'' from to begin with?
My theory is that, in an unstated but implied StableTimeLoop, the entire cycle was originated at the Final Experiment. While the main message went back to Ayreon in sixth century Britain, perhaps a secondary message was sent back further. Or, perhaps the Forever based the instructions they gave to the humans of Earth on tests they conducted themselves, which they used to send their ''own'' story back in time, with the Prophet as the recipient. Is there much evidence for or against this? Not really. But it does at least seem to fit, for what it's worth.
[[WMG: The Prophet from ''The Source'' received his visions due to the Final Experiment's Time Telepathy program.]]
Not only are his prophecies always eerily accurate, even to events beyond the plot of his specific album, in ''01011001'', there is a line indicating an unheeded warning "buried deep within us all". The Forever, after migrating to Planet Y, had such a telepathic link that their consciousnesses blended, meaning his visions were theirs as well. But all that is window dressing for the real question: where did they ''come'' from to begin with?
My theory is that, in an unstated but implied StableTimeLoop, the entire cycle was originated at the Final Experiment. While the main message went back to Ayreon in sixth century Britain, perhaps a secondary message was sent back further. Or, perhaps the Forever based the instructions they gave to the humans of Earth on tests they conducted themselves, which they used to send their ''own'' story back in time, with the Prophet as the recipient. Is there much evidence for or against this? Not really. But it does at least seem to fit, for what it's worth.
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No real ideas for who the others might have been, if they were meant to reflect real people at all.
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No real ideas for who the others might have been, if they were meant to reflect real people at all.all.
[[WMG: The Prodigy in the Theory of Everything was being aided by a Forever]]
We already know from 01 that Forever's interceded in humanities development and granted them knowledge, and for as far as humanity came in the Ayreonverse it's clearly nothing compared to the knowledge the Alphans possessed. On the surface the theory of everything is an album with no connection to the rest of the Ayreon-verse, but is that strange to believe that "father" during the final act was a Forever separate from the main group in 01 (like but not necessarily Forever of the Stars from ITEC) who had his own plan that required humanity to solve the theory.
Bit of a jump to be sure, but this wouldn't be the first time a later Ayreon album has put something from an earlier one in a totally different light.
[[WMG: The Prodigy in the Theory of Everything was being aided by a Forever]]
We already know from 01 that Forever's interceded in humanities development and granted them knowledge, and for as far as humanity came in the Ayreonverse it's clearly nothing compared to the knowledge the Alphans possessed. On the surface the theory of everything is an album with no connection to the rest of the Ayreon-verse, but is that strange to believe that "father" during the final act was a Forever separate from the main group in 01 (like but not necessarily Forever of the Stars from ITEC) who had his own plan that required humanity to solve the theory.
Bit of a jump to be sure, but this wouldn't be the first time a later Ayreon album has put something from an earlier one in a totally different light.
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[[WMG: Me is Nicholas/Victoria from Music/DreamTheater's ''Scenes from a Memory'']]
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To be precise, this was created when the Forevers used time travel to change the future. This did not create a time paradox like people think, but in fact created a chain reaction where many possible futures were created at once. For one thing, this would explain the inconsistant characterization of the Futureman. Since the Electric Castle exists in a place beyond time and space, an alternate Futureman was summoned. This particular Futureman comes from a time when the war never happened and the technology wave continued to climb without the war to stop it. This is why he is correct in describing an interplanetary society in progress. Also, this is why in his future shown by Forever of the Stars, he sees humanity become machines, just like the Forevers in 001011001. Thus, the Forevers didn't entirely fail in their mission to save humanity, that timeline may have been doomed, but there could be plenty of others where they could have listened to Ayreon and Mr L or some other outcome.
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To be precise, this was created when the Forevers used time travel to change the future. This did not create a time paradox like people think, but in fact created a chain reaction where many possible futures were created at once. For one thing, this would explain the inconsistant characterization of the Futureman. Since the Electric Castle exists in a place beyond time and space, an alternate Futureman was summoned. This particular Futureman comes from a time when the war never happened and the technology wave continued to climb without the war to stop it. This is why he is correct in describing an interplanetary society in progress. Also, this is why in his future shown by Forever of the Stars, he sees humanity become machines, just like the Forevers in 001011001. Thus, the Forevers didn't entirely fail in their mission to save humanity, that timeline may have been doomed, but there could be plenty of others where they could have listened to Ayreon and Mr L or some other outcome.outcome.
[[WMG: Knight and Roman in the Electric Castle]]
The Knight is Lancelot. The Roman is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnatus Cincinnatus]].
The Knight is Lancelot because of the references to the Grail Quest and his longing for his lost (unattainable?) love, who is likely Guenevere. Also because the Electric Castle is a literal and metaphorical "Chapel Perilous" experience, which took its name from one of Lancelot's adventures. Finally, while there are other knights tied to the Grail Quest, most are bad choices for it - Galahad was too free of earthly concerns for the "lost love" bit, and while Percival and Bors were present with Galahad (and Percival especially is concerned with the Grail's healing properties, for the Fisher King), they achieved it while the Knight here obviously only gets a passing vision of the Grail, which again is characteristic of Lancelot's story.
And the Roman being Cincinnatus? Personal preference. [[RuleOfCool I just think it's cool]], and the Roman's got an unusual mixture of discipline and empathy for some of the more famous Roman figures who would've probably acted more like the Barbarian than the Roman.
No real ideas for who the others might have been, if they were meant to reflect real people at all.
[[WMG: Knight and Roman in the Electric Castle]]
The Knight is Lancelot. The Roman is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnatus Cincinnatus]].
The Knight is Lancelot because of the references to the Grail Quest and his longing for his lost (unattainable?) love, who is likely Guenevere. Also because the Electric Castle is a literal and metaphorical "Chapel Perilous" experience, which took its name from one of Lancelot's adventures. Finally, while there are other knights tied to the Grail Quest, most are bad choices for it - Galahad was too free of earthly concerns for the "lost love" bit, and while Percival and Bors were present with Galahad (and Percival especially is concerned with the Grail's healing properties, for the Fisher King), they achieved it while the Knight here obviously only gets a passing vision of the Grail, which again is characteristic of Lancelot's story.
And the Roman being Cincinnatus? Personal preference. [[RuleOfCool I just think it's cool]], and the Roman's got an unusual mixture of discipline and empathy for some of the more famous Roman figures who would've probably acted more like the Barbarian than the Roman.
No real ideas for who the others might have been, if they were meant to reflect real people at all.
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It is the events of ''The Human Equation'' that lead him to seek hypnotherapy. In trying to get back in touch with the aspects of his personality he met while in the coma, he instead finds Victoria's memories, leading to a whole new mystery.
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It is the events of ''The Human Equation'' that lead him to seek hypnotherapy. In trying to get back in touch with the aspects of his personality he met while in the coma, he instead finds Victoria's memories, leading to a whole new mystery.mystery.
[[WMG: Alternate Timelines Exist in the Ayreonverse]]
To be precise, this was created when the Forevers used time travel to change the future. This did not create a time paradox like people think, but in fact created a chain reaction where many possible futures were created at once. For one thing, this would explain the inconsistant characterization of the Futureman. Since the Electric Castle exists in a place beyond time and space, an alternate Futureman was summoned. This particular Futureman comes from a time when the war never happened and the technology wave continued to climb without the war to stop it. This is why he is correct in describing an interplanetary society in progress. Also, this is why in his future shown by Forever of the Stars, he sees humanity become machines, just like the Forevers in 001011001. Thus, the Forevers didn't entirely fail in their mission to save humanity, that timeline may have been doomed, but there could be plenty of others where they could have listened to Ayreon and Mr L or some other outcome.
[[WMG: Alternate Timelines Exist in the Ayreonverse]]
To be precise, this was created when the Forevers used time travel to change the future. This did not create a time paradox like people think, but in fact created a chain reaction where many possible futures were created at once. For one thing, this would explain the inconsistant characterization of the Futureman. Since the Electric Castle exists in a place beyond time and space, an alternate Futureman was summoned. This particular Futureman comes from a time when the war never happened and the technology wave continued to climb without the war to stop it. This is why he is correct in describing an interplanetary society in progress. Also, this is why in his future shown by Forever of the Stars, he sees humanity become machines, just like the Forevers in 001011001. Thus, the Forevers didn't entirely fail in their mission to save humanity, that timeline may have been doomed, but there could be plenty of others where they could have listened to Ayreon and Mr L or some other outcome.
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[[WMG: Me is the reincarnation of Nicholas/Victoria from DreamTheater's ''Scenes from a Memory'']]
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[[WMG: Me is the reincarnation of Nicholas/Victoria from DreamTheater's ''Scenes from a Memory'']]Memory'']]
It is the events of ''The Human Equation'' that lead him to seek hypnotherapy. In trying to get back in touch with the aspects of his personality he met while in the coma, he instead finds Victoria's memories, leading to a whole new mystery.
It is the events of ''The Human Equation'' that lead him to seek hypnotherapy. In trying to get back in touch with the aspects of his personality he met while in the coma, he instead finds Victoria's memories, leading to a whole new mystery.
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Yes, technically Lost in the New Real isn't an Ayreon album (obviously the Mr L thing at least incidentally ties it into the mythos), however it all fits. The album basically tells the story of the headlong charge towards the end detailed in 2084 on Universal Migrator Part 1 from the point of view of Mr L as he has to try and acclimatise to his new world. Much like Mr L was already featured on 01 as remembering glimpses of his time as the Hippy in Into the Electric Castle, Kampff does as well, hence why out of all the people in the world he could bring back, it was Mr L, the person he spent most of the album paired up with.
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Yes, technically Lost in the New Real isn't an Ayreon album (obviously the Mr L thing at least incidentally ties it into the mythos), however it all fits. The album basically tells the story of the headlong charge towards the end detailed in 2084 on Universal Migrator Part 1 from the point of view of Mr L as he has to try and acclimatise to his new world. Much like Mr L was already featured on 01 as remembering glimpses of his time as the Hippy in Into the Electric Castle, Kampff does as well, hence why out of all the people in the world he could bring back, it was Mr L, the person he spent most of the album paired up with.with.
[[WMG: Me is the reincarnation of Nicholas/Victoria from DreamTheater's ''Scenes from a Memory'']]
[[WMG: Me is the reincarnation of Nicholas/Victoria from DreamTheater's ''Scenes from a Memory'']]
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[[WMG: Voight Kampff from Lost in the New Real is the Futureman]]
Yes, technically Lost in the New Real isn't an Ayreon album (obviously the Mr L thing at least incidentally ties it into the mythos), however it all fits. The album basically tells the story of the headlong charge towards the end detailed in 2084 on Universal Migrator Part 1 from the point of view of Mr L as he has to try and acclimatise to his new world. Much like Mr L was already featured on 01 as remembering glimpses of his time as the Hippy in Into the Electric Castle, Kampff does as well, hence why out of all the people in the world he could bring back, it was Mr L, the person he spent most of the album paired up with.
Yes, technically Lost in the New Real isn't an Ayreon album (obviously the Mr L thing at least incidentally ties it into the mythos), however it all fits. The album basically tells the story of the headlong charge towards the end detailed in 2084 on Universal Migrator Part 1 from the point of view of Mr L as he has to try and acclimatise to his new world. Much like Mr L was already featured on 01 as remembering glimpses of his time as the Hippy in Into the Electric Castle, Kampff does as well, hence why out of all the people in the world he could bring back, it was Mr L, the person he spent most of the album paired up with.
