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Pretty basic. I'm surprised it's not already up here. I think it would simply be a marriage of convenience for Tyrion (He's still looking for his gal, isn't he?). I'd say Jon and Dany would be united in grief for their lost loves and start humping like bunnies but Dany is infertile so . . . TheStraightWillAndGrace?
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Pretty basic. I'm surprised it's not already up here. I think it would simply be a marriage of convenience for Tyrion (He's still looking for his gal, isn't he?). I'd say Jon and Dany would be united in grief for their lost loves and start humping like bunnies but Dany is infertile so . . . TheStraightWillAndGrace?
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** "Very little black"? This series has ''minor characters'' that are [[CompleteMonster worse]] than the [[BigBad primary antagonists]] of other HighFantasy series. They just happen to be distributed fairly equally among the different factions. That said, it's quite possible that we'll get some kind of backstory or fleshing out for the Others that reveals that they have some reason for slaughtering and re-animating living things other than [[ForTheEvulz shits and giggles]] and makes them somewhat more sympathetic or understandable - a la the Norns from Tad Williams' MemorySorrowAndThorn (the series that got GRRM interested in fantasy as a genre), which were also eerie, pale-skinned humanoids associated with deathly cold. So they may turn out to be somewhat sympathetic villains rather than the inscrutable monsters they are now.
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Pretty basic. I'm surprised it's not already up here. I think it would simply be a marriage of convenience for Tyrion (He's still looking for his gal, isn't he?). I'd say Jon and Dany would be united in grief for their lost loves and start humping like bunnies but Dany is infertile so . . . TheStraightWillAndGrace?
Pretty basic. I'm surprised it's not already up here. I think it would simply be a marriage of convenience for Tyrion (He's still looking for his gal, isn't he?). I'd say Jon and Dany would be united in grief for their lost loves and start humping like bunnies but Dany is infertile so . . . TheStraightWillAndGrace?
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**Gah, I was going to post this one, thinking no one else had thought of it.
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[[WMG: Quentyn Martell will die in ''A Dance With Dragons'']]
Quentyn is on his way to propose to Dany. There are a lot of reasons she should accept him. She wants to conquer a land she has never seen and knows no one in, he can help put her in good standing with the nobility. The Targaryens traditionally marry relatives, Quentyn is at least a distant cousin. The Martells are one of the only families that allows females to inherit over males, so if any Lord in the Seven Kingdoms is willing to accept being Prince Consort to a ruling Queen, it is likely a Martell. However, the prophesy from the House of the Undying seems to suggest that she won't marry him. Likely the reason that she won't is because he will die. This would also have the benefit of introducing some real difficulty into Dany's quest: Doran may decide that he's sick of sending his relatives to the Targaryens only to get back bodies.
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** It's worth pointing out that Prince Doran's marriage broke up due to his wife's anger about him "sacrificing" Quentyn. Arianne believes this refers to Doran sending Quentyn away to be fostered, but it is possible it could be something else...
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[[WMG: Stannis will be the "Big Bad" .with the help of the Others.]]
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Dany's vision saw a Person with a sword of fire and a Lacking of shadow. And not to mentionscatlyns Catelyn's words, that he rather breaks than bend and the parable of the falcon.
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[[WMG: Aerys Targaryen and Tywin Lannister were lovers.]]
No reason.
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** Ygritte had no reason to lie to Jon, but Mance had ''every'' reason to lie to Ygritte. He tells Jon as much when he threatens to blow the horn.
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*The Others kill wildlings too. Mance told Jon that their wights were killing more of his men than the Night's Watch (at least until Stannis showed up). There is good evidence that they aren't the Children of the Forest either. If Old Nan's story from book one is to be believed, it was the Children who taught the First Men how to defeat the Others the first time they invaded.
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** While it is possible that Ser Barristan knows of Jon's parentage, it is quite unlikely given what we know of his character and actions. Renly says that when he left King's Landing he vowed to take up service with "the true king" (Likely meaning Viserys at the time). If R+L=J ''is'' true, Jon's claim supercedes Viserys' or Dany's, and Ser Barristan should have made contact with him instead. Also, if he knew about Jon, wouldn't he have told Daenarys "oh, and you're not the only living member of House Targaryen" by now? The odds are likely that only the people who were with Rhaegar and Lyanna had any knowledge of their child, in order to maintain secrecy. Considering the efforts Rhaegar went to to hide Jon, wouldn't it be a bit strange to risk enclosing the secret in a message to send off to the rest of the Kingsguard, who might tell Aerys?
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** While it is possible that Ser Barristan knows of Jon's parentage, it is quite unlikely given what we know of his character and actions. Renly says that when he left King's Landing he vowed to take up service with "the true king" (Likely meaning Viserys at the time). If R+L=J ''is'' true, Jon's claim supercedes supersedes Viserys' or Dany's, and Ser Barristan should have made contact with him instead. Also, if he knew about Jon, wouldn't he have told Daenarys "oh, and you're not the only living member of House Targaryen" by now? The odds are likely that only the people who were with Rhaegar and Lyanna had any knowledge of their child, in order to maintain secrecy. Considering the efforts Rhaegar went to to hide Jon, wouldn't it be a bit strange to risk enclosing the secret in a message to send off to the rest of the Kingsguard, who might tell Aerys?Aerys?
*** Correction: Jon's claim ''would'' supersede Viserys' or Dany's, but by then, Jon had renounced any claim he might have had by joining the Night's Watch.
*** Correction: Jon's claim ''would'' supersede Viserys' or Dany's, but by then, Jon had renounced any claim he might have had by joining the Night's Watch.
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** Westeros is South America, as stated, and at the end the Wall will fall and the wildlings will die; Dany's conquering army will venture into the wild north and find the abandoned Lincoln memorial.
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[[WMG: The Others are unleashed experiments that the [[{{Claymore}} Organization]] unleashes every thousand years]]
Westeros is nothing more than another test bed for the Organization of ''{{Claymore}}'', where they're still trying to develope weapons to take on the Dragonkin.
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* The Night's Watch isn't really in a position to be laying the smack down on Stannis at the moment. They barely have enough men to mount an adequate defense from the Wildlings from the other side of the Wall.
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* The Night's Watch isn't really in a position to be laying the smack down on Stannis at the moment. They barely have enough men to mount an adequate defense from against the Wildlings from the other side of the Wall.
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** As Aigon points out, the word was originally gender-neutral, it was just translated to "prince." That makes Daenerys the most likely candidate to the Prince that was Promised.
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* Unlikely. While Dany is probably Azor Ahai, princes and stallions are male. Seriously. In addition, Dany isn't a prince/princess, she's a Queen. It is more likely that the three figures are the three heads of the Dragon, speculated below.
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** While it is possible that Ser Barristan knows of Jon's parentage, it is quite unlikely given what we know of his character and actions. Renly says that when he left King's Landing he vowed to take up service with "the true king" (Likely meaning Viserys at the time). If R+L=J ''is'' true, Jon's claim supercedes Viserys' or Dany's, and Ser Barristan should have made contact with him instead. Also, if he knew about Jon, wouldn't he have told Daenarys "oh, and you're not the only living member of House Targaryen" by now? The odds are likely that only the people who were with Rhaegar and Lyanna had any knowledge of their child, in order to maintain secrecy. Considering the efforts Rhaegar went to to hide Jon, wouldn't it be a bit strange to risk enclosing the secret in a message to send off to the rest of the Kingsguard, who might tell Aerys?
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* Dany's army could certainly not 'crush Westeros without breaking a sweat'. She has Dothraki calvalry, a load of sellswords and the elite Unsullied Legion(s), but without a significant alliance with ''at least one'' of the Great Houses (and preferably more than one), her forces would probably be bled to the bone during her first siege attempt - which by itself would tie up a third to half her forces while she waits for whichever castle it is to fall. The warriors that make up Dany's army are very good at what they do, but there are many different facets of warfare, and the Westerosi use of heavy armor and fortifications could toss a spanner in the works of any plans she has for complete conquest. At this point, her dragons are as likely to kill her own men as they are the other side.
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* Possible, but as mentioned above, there's a good chance the Wall is going to come down sooner or later, and Jon could end up elsewhere. Besides I think if any mentor-ish figure were going to take the Black it would probably be Jorah Mormont, as per his father's last request.
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* The Night's Watch isn't really in a position to be laying the smack down on Stannis at the moment. They barely have enough men to mount an adequate defense from the Wildlings from the other side of the Wall.
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* In other words, there is no evidence. Jon's parentage is clearly being set up for something, whether you believe R+L=J or not, TheLawOfConservationOfDetail suggests that all of the foreshadowing has to have a bigger purpose than simply giving readers the finger.
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**maybe Tyrion/or jaime will "declare" to cercei that their kids died of accident. Then she'll fling herself of the wall
*or her younger cousin might deciede the trial
*or her younger cousin might deciede the trial
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Dany's vision saw a Person with a sword of fire and a Lacking of shadow. And not to mentions catlyns words, that he rather breaks than bend and the parable of the falcon.
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*** "Hideous midget"? Shockingly, both dwarfs and "hideous" people have been known to find true love. And sometimes it even lasts a long time!
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*** While there is an open Kingsguard spot, it probably won't be Garlan filling it. He's HappilyMarried if you recall, and recently was given a large keep with extensive lands, turning him into a great lord in a single stroke. He's unlikely to give all that up.
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*** Despite loving this theory, (Jeyne certainly deserves some good fortune), the prophecy states that the young queen will be more beautiful than Cersei is. Jeyne is stated as being pretty, but compared to Dany, Sansa or Margaery, who are all strikingly gorgeous...
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* This would sort of fly in the face of Genna telling Jaime in no uncertain terms that Tyrion is the only one of the three Lannisters who is truly Tywin's son (of course she only meant figuratively - he has the same personality as his father, probably in his younger days when he was known to smile).
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** At this point, the question could be whether or not there will be an end at all.
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* Melisandre interprets the "smoke and salt" of the prophecy to refer to Stannis at Dragonstone. But where was Dany born? On Dragonstone, in the middle of a storm. Not to mention that the prophecy says Azor Ahai reborn will draw from a fire a burning sword. The burning sword could be a metaphor for the dragons.
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*** Maybe she's innocent, it was for one of her cousins or another, and she was hiding her? Alternatively, she may und up ''proven'' innocent. Or... She is so [[MagnificentBastard Bad]][[LittleMissBadass Ass]], she ordered herself Moon Tea [[XanatosSucker to lure Cersei into action]], what she'll end up turning to her advantage. Probably she'll finish off (or scare into submission) old septon to remove him as witness against her. Oh yeah.
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*** Maybe she's innocent, it was for one of her cousins or another, and she was hiding her? Alternatively, she may und up ''proven'' innocent. Or... She is so [[MagnificentBastard Bad]][[LittleMissBadass Ass]], she ordered herself Moon Tea [[XanatosSucker [[UnwittingPawn to lure Cersei into action]], what she'll end up turning to her advantage. Probably she'll finish off (or scare into submission) old septon to remove him as witness against her. Oh yeah.
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[[WMG: A Dance With Dragons Will Never Be Finished Due to Creator Death]]
Arya escaped from the novels and murdered George R. R. Martin in order to save herself, her family, and the rest of Westeros from more tragedy, and also revenge. I mean seriously, things are never getting any better in this story. Something had to give eventually.
Arya escaped from the novels and murdered George R. R. Martin in order to save herself, her family, and the rest of Westeros from more tragedy, and also revenge. I mean seriously, things are never getting any better in this story. Something had to give eventually.
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* [[AChristmasStory ''I triple dog dare you!'']]
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* Go on G.R.R. Martin, [[{{Jossed}} Joss]] this one! I dare you! I double dare you, mother-f-!!
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* Alternatively, The Lord of Light is one of the others. After all, 'Night' is just Shadow, and Shadow is another side of light. Perhaps there are two factions that go to war, and that's what destroys everything.
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He'll just keep spinning off novels instead.
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The line about Bloodraven having "a thousand eyes and one" could probably be taken literally to mean that Bloodraven is a skinchanger. If he most frequently wargs with a crow, then he has three eyes - he has one, and the crow has two. And he's a member of the Night's Watch, too, so he seems like a likely candidate for actually being the three-eyed crow.
The line about Bloodraven having "a thousand eyes and one" could probably be taken literally to mean that Bloodraven is a skinchanger. If he most frequently wargs with a crow, then he has three eyes - he has one, and the crow has two. And he's a member of the Night's Watch, too, so he seems like a likely candidate for actually being the three-eyed crow.
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**"his seed flushed the others' out." Biology doesn't really work this way. It ''is'' possible that he got her pregnant, but more likely it would be like what happened to Lollys--no one is quite sure who got her pregnant. It's more likely that Tyrion got her pregnant before the gang-rape, so the point still stands.
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That whole legend is based on the story of King Arthur and his round table, and Lightbringer (which may or not be Oathkeeper, Stannis' magic sword, or Beric's real flaming sword) is Excalibur.
That whole legend is based on the story of King Arthur and his round table, and Lightbringer (which may or not be Oathkeeper, Stannis' magic sword, or Beric's real flaming sword) is Excalibur.
