History Videogame / DragonAgeII

21st Mar '17 8:18:20 AM owlyoudoin
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** It's not that no one believes he has an illness -- ''Kelder'' thinks he doesn't have an illness. He's convinced he's possessed by demons who are making him do terrible things. Everyone else knows that it's plain old crazy, but Kelder refuses to take personal responsibility for his actions. Of course, the Chantry's solution to Kelder's insanity is not to attempt to heal him or help him cope with the murderous urges; they just stick him in a prison he regularly manages to escape from and cover everything up.
3rd Mar '17 5:49:08 AM Dravencour
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* AggressiveNegotiations: A frequent option, depending on what companions you have with you. Bringing Fenris with you to confront some slavers will result in him rearranging the leader's internal organs to make him talk. A Rogue Hawke, facing a man with a sword to his hostage's throat, can put a knife through the thug's own neck. Bring Varric on the "Fool's Gold" quest and he can "settle on a price" just by reaching for Bianca.

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* AggressiveNegotiations: A frequent option, depending on what companions you have with you. Bringing Fenris with you to confront some slavers will result in him rearranging the leader's internal organs to make him talk. A Rogue Hawke, facing a man with a sword to his hostage's throat, can put a knife through the thug's own neck.neck at range. Bring Varric on the "Fool's Gold" quest and he can "settle on a price" just by reaching for Bianca.
2nd Mar '17 7:46:29 PM ApatheticRhesus
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** [[VilalinHasAPoint The Arishok's critique of Kirkwall's system]] deepened into bitterness because he was bound there by a system of his own. And as brutal and ugly as that system appears to outsiders, the Qunari could never do anything but insist on its rightness - even the Saarebas immolating himself. A Tal-Vashoth in the Hanged Man in Act III seemed almost as disillusioned with himself for being rid of the Qun.

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** [[VilalinHasAPoint [[VillainHasAPoint The Arishok's critique of Kirkwall's system]] deepened into bitterness because he was bound there by a system of his own. And as brutal and ugly as that system appears to outsiders, the Qunari could never do anything but insist on its rightness - even the Saarebas immolating himself. A Tal-Vashoth in the Hanged Man in Act III seemed almost as disillusioned with himself for being rid of the Qun.
26th Feb '17 7:07:13 PM Give1Take2
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*** Elves are sneaky and poor, forced to live in the Alienage, often called "Knife Ears".
*** The elves return it right back towards humans. "Shem" (the derogatory slang term for shemlen, which originally meant "quick children" in the elven language but now simply means "human"), is often uttered in an insulting way among both Dalish and City Elves against their aggressors.

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*** Elves are stereotyped as sneaky and poor, forced to live in the Alienage, alienage or wander the wilderness as homeless nomads, and often called "Knife Ears".
Ears" by humans. Like the first game, they're also easy targets of rape and murder by guards and nobles who know their demands for justice will be dismissed and ignored. [[spoiler:This is why so many Kirkwall elves convert to the Qunari in Act 2, since elves are treated ''much'' more fairly in the Qun than Andrastian human society.]]
*** The elves return it right back towards humans.aren't terribly fond of humans either. "Shem" (the derogatory slang term for shemlen, which originally meant "quick children" in the elven language but now simply means "human"), is often uttered in an insulting way among both Dalish and City Elves against their aggressors.



* GoodVictimsBadVictims: Most Kirkwall Mages face ''horrific'' abuses and injustices by Templars every day. However, the moment a mage is revealed to have dabbled in blood magic (even in self-defense) they're instantly portrayed as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive, and treated by characters and the narrative alike as at fault for everything bad that happens to them (even though their situation is no different from regular mages). Even Anders, [[SingleIssueWank the most notoriously pro-mage of the series]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any pity.

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* GoodVictimsBadVictims: Most Kirkwall Mages face ''horrific'' abuses and injustices by Templars every day. However, the moment a mage is revealed to have dabbled in blood magic (even in self-defense) they're instantly portrayed as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive, and suddenly treated by characters and the narrative alike as at fault for everything bad that happens to them (even though their situation is no different from regular mages). Even Anders, [[SingleIssueWank the most notoriously pro-mage of the series]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any pity.them.



* ICannotSelfTerminate: A rather chilling and tragic case with Kelder Vanard, a mentally ill kidnapper and murder (and implied rapist) of elven children. He knows he's ill and will never stop hurting elven children on account of said illness ([[DeliberateValuesDissonance that no one believes he has]]), but he also knows that his magistrate father will not allow him to receive justice. When Hawke catches up to him, Kelder ''begs'' Hawke to kill him so he can't hurt any more elven children.



* InformedPoverty: The Hawke family spends the whole first Act complaining about the unbearable living conditions in the [[WretchedHive Lowtown]], yet Gamlen's supposed filthy little hovel is a fairly large and orderly house with multiple rooms, and the Lowtown buildings are as structurally sound and the streets as empty and clean as those in Hightown. Really, it looks like a less fancy version of Hightown with a little smoggy air.
** The [[FantasticGhetto Kirkwall Alienage]] is also said to be below Lowtown socio/economically, with "crumbling shacks," "knee-deep mud," and "drunken louts" stumbling around; yet the alienage looks even prettier, cleaner, and more colorful than Lowtown, and the elven citizens are shown to be fairly polite and upstanding, and to take turns decorating the Vhenadahl and buildings so it looks like a pleasant place to live. (It's especially {{Egregious}} when Merrill moves in and everyone talks like she lives in a one-room rathole, complete with her apologizing for the mess, yet her house is just as spacious and clean as Gamlen's.)

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* InformedPoverty: The Hawke family spends the whole first Act complaining about the unbearable living conditions in the [[WretchedHive Lowtown]], yet Gamlen's supposed filthy little hovel is a fairly large and orderly house with multiple rooms, and the Lowtown buildings are as structurally sound and the streets as empty and clean as those in Hightown. Really, it looks like a less fancy version of Hightown with a little smoggy air.
** The [[FantasticGhetto Kirkwall Alienage]] is also said to be below Lowtown socio/economically, socioeconomically, with "crumbling shacks," "knee-deep mud," and "drunken louts" stumbling around; yet around. Yet the alienage looks even prettier, cleaner, and more colorful than Lowtown, and the elven citizens are shown to be fairly polite and upstanding, and to take turns decorating the Vhenadahl and buildings so it looks like a pleasant place to live. (It's It's especially {{Egregious}} {{egregious}} when Merrill moves in and everyone talks like she lives in a one-room rathole, rat hole, complete with her apologizing for the mess, yet her house is just as spacious and clean as Gamlen's.)



** The Arishok's critique of Kirkwall's system deepened into bitterness because he was bound there by a system of his own. And as brutal and ugly as that system appears to outsiders, the Qunari could never do anything but insist on its rightness - even the Saarebas immolating himself. A Tal-Vashoth in the Hanged Man in Act III seemed almost as disillusioned with himself for being rid of the Qun.

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** [[VilalinHasAPoint The Arishok's critique of Kirkwall's system system]] deepened into bitterness because he was bound there by a system of his own. And as brutal and ugly as that system appears to outsiders, the Qunari could never do anything but insist on its rightness - even the Saarebas immolating himself. A Tal-Vashoth in the Hanged Man in Act III seemed almost as disillusioned with himself for being rid of the Qun.Qun.
** Human crimes against elves are easier to commit and harder to punish than elven crimes against humans, and vice-versa, thanks to the way the legal and justice system is structured. Velder Vanard is able to get away with murdering so many elven children because a) [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney his magistrate father is able to use his power and influence to shield him from justice]], and b) [[MissingWhiteWomanSyndrome society doesn't care about elves very much]]. (Doubtful Vanard would have gotten away with it if he'd targeted humans, or at least Hightown human child.) In Act 2, the Arishok admonishes Aveline and Hawke for trying to punish a group of elven brothers for killing a guard after Aveline (Captain of the Guard) didn't do anything to address the rape they reported on their sister. The Arishok sees this as a mere symptom in a larger illness, however, and argues that the elves shouldn't be punished by Aveline's legal system since her legal system failed them, and fails all elves in Kirkwall because of the way it's structured.


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* MiseryPoker: Anders and Fenris frequently argue over who has it worse: Tevinter slaves or Andrastian Circle mages. Both men claim that their side has it worse than the other, and the other side doesn't deserve as much pity as a result.
-->'''Fenris:''' Considering what magic has done to my homeland and my race, I weep for your predicament.


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* MissingWhiteWomanSyndrome: In Act 1, elven children are kidnapped and killed by a known serial killer. No one (except maybe Hawke) cares.[[note]]Although this is not helped by the serial killer being a magistrate's son, with said magistrate using his power and influence to see that his son isn't brought to justice. Still, it's a little chilling that Hawke's companions, even Aveline, the Captain of the Kirkwall guard, aren't overly bothered to learn this.[[/note]] In Act 2, women women start disappearing. This time, the Kirkwall guard start investigating immediately. This trope is also played straight within the second case. When Lowtown women were disappearing it was treated as a mild concern, but as soon as Hightown women started going missing (including Hawke's mother), suddenly the case became urgent.
26th Feb '17 6:17:47 PM Give1Take2
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* GoodVictimsBadVictims: Most Kirkwall Mages face ''horrific'' abuses and injustices by Templars every day. However, the moment a mage is revealed to have dabbled in blood magic (even in self-defense) they're instantly portrayed as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive, and treated by characters and the narrative alike as at fault for everything bad that happens to them (even though their situation is no different from regular mages). Even Anders, [[SingleIssueWank the most notoriously pro-mage of the series]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any pity.
** Merrill and Fenris are the two elven companions whose personal quests center around trying to recover a lost pasts, in one way or another. Merrill tries to restore a lost relic of her people, and Fenris tries to uncover lost memories and contact with his family. Both end in failure, with a rather anvilicious finger-wagging from the narrative that they (along with [[EnslavedElves all elves]]) should just ''forget'' the past and embrace what they have today. However, the ''entire first act of the game'' centers around the Hawke family trying to reclaim their decades-lost fortune and mansion in Hightown, and their efforts are rewarded by the narrative. Apparently recovering a piece of one's lost past is fine when human nobles do it, but it's wrong when elves try to do it.
25th Dec '16 8:17:14 PM ADrago
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** Your entire party is dead, but it goes to a cutscene straight from combat (e.g., the Ancient Rock Wraith)? Yeah... At best you'll be starting over from your last save as the game freezes up on a pseudo loading/party screen, at worst the file becomes corrupted and is LostForever.

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** Your entire party is dead, but it goes to a cutscene straight from combat (e.g., the Ancient Rock Wraith)? Yeah... At best you'll be starting over from your last save as the game freezes up on a pseudo loading/party screen, at worst the file becomes corrupted and is LostForever.lost.



* LostForever: Most items and quests are exclusive to a specific [[ThreeActStructure act.]] Once you move on, there's no getting them back.



* PermanentlyMissableContent: Most items and quests are exclusive to a specific [[ThreeActStructure act.]] Once you move on, there's no getting them back.



** Played both straight and averted. Side and Companion quests generally [[LostForever disappear]] when you go to from act to act. However, within a single year? The looming threat of a poisoned district, dangerous blood mages on the loose, or an insane serial killer [[spoiler: kidnapping your mother]]? It's fine, feel free to wander the Dalish camp or take that [[FetchQuest random item back to that random NPC.]] The safety of hundreds can wait.

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** Played both straight and averted. Side and Companion quests generally [[LostForever [[PermanentlyMissableContent disappear]] when you go to from act to act. However, within a single year? The looming threat of a poisoned district, dangerous blood mages on the loose, or an insane serial killer [[spoiler: kidnapping your mother]]? It's fine, feel free to wander the Dalish camp or take that [[FetchQuest random item back to that random NPC.]] The safety of hundreds can wait.
25th Dec '16 11:25:07 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* GenreSavvy:
--> '''Varric''': 'I don't like this'? [[TemptingFate That's right up there with 'What could possibly go wrong?'...]]
20th Dec '16 9:05:19 PM Lobsel_Vith
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*** The elves return it right back towards humans. "Shemlen" (or its shorter form, "Shem"), which in elvish means "Quick Children," is often uttered in an insulting way among both Dalish and City Elves.

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*** The elves return it right back towards humans. "Shemlen" (or its shorter form, "Shem"), "Shem" (the derogatory slang term for shemlen, which originally meant "quick children" in elvish the elven language but now simply means "Quick Children," "human"), is often uttered in an insulting way among both Dalish and City Elves.Elves against their aggressors.
10th Dec '16 11:35:48 AM Nixou2
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** No matter how individually powerful you are, all are powerless against history's inertia.

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** No matter how individually powerful you are, all are powerless against history's inertia.inertia, especially when it involves centuries of [[FantasticRacism festering hatred]] and [[BigotVsBigot prejudices]].
9th Dec '16 10:38:03 AM nighttrainfm
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** [[spoiler:In the Mage ending, Carver (if he's still alive) and Cullen (if you treated him nicely enough) will assist you in the final battle once it becomes clear how far off the deep end Meredith's fallen. Conversely, Bethany (if she's still alive) will assist a Warrior/Rogue who joins the Templar side, although Hawke will have to protect her from Meredith first. Unlike Carver, however, she will be rather grudging about it.]]

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** [[spoiler:In the Mage ending, Cullen and Carver (if he's still alive) and Cullen (if you treated him nicely enough) a Templar) will assist you in the final battle once it becomes clear how far off the deep end Meredith's fallen. battle. Conversely, Warden! Bethany (if will help a Hawke who sided with the Templars, although she's still alive) will assist a Warrior/Rogue who joins the Templar side, although Hawke will have to protect her from Meredith first. Unlike Carver, however, she will be rather grudging about it.understandably reluctant.]]
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