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* SchmuckBait: The BottomlessPit is [[PressXToDie clearly labeled as such]] by no less than 3 signposts.
%% ** Also: [[spoiler:"Klaaaayman, up here!"]]
%% ** Also: [[spoiler:"Klaaaayman, up here!"]]
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* SchmuckBait: SchmuckBait:
** The BottomlessPit is [[PressXToDie clearly labeled as such]] by no less than 3 signposts.
%% ** Also: [[spoiler:"Klaaaayman, Close to the pit with Big Robot Bil, you can hear Willie calling you: "Klaaaaymen, up here!"]]here!" [[spoiler:If you look up, he drops a flowerpot on Klaymen.]]
** The BottomlessPit is [[PressXToDie clearly labeled as such]] by no less than 3 signposts.
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* CrueltyIsTheOnlyOption: You need to [[spoiler:blow off Big Robot Bil's head with the cannon]] in order to progress with the story.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Pulling a lever inside the Hall of Records shows [[spoiler:moving glyphs of a giant robot having its head blown off by a cannon, foreshadowing Big Robot Bil's fate.]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Pulling a lever inside the Hall of Records shows [[spoiler:moving glyphs of a giant robot having its head blown off by a cannon, foreshadowing what you must do to Big Robot Bil's fate.Bil.]]
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* EveryoneIsRelated: Aside from robots and animals, [[spoiler:everyone present within the game falls under this. Klaymen and Klogg are brothers, Willie Trombone is their cousin (due to his father Ottoborg being Hoborg's brother) and Hoborg could be considered Klaymen and Klogg's father because, well, he created them.]]
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* EveryoneIsRelated: Aside from robots and animals, [[spoiler:everyone present within [[spoiler:All four of the game falls under this. Klaymen and Klogg game's important characters are brothers, Willie Trombone is their cousin (due to his father Ottoborg being Hoborg's brother) and related. Hoborg could be considered is Klaymen and Klogg's father because, well, he created them.creator-father and Willie is their cousin.]]
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** If you wait too long to make the LastSecondEndingChoice, Klogg tells Klaymen to take his time, as he can wait as long as Klaymen can.
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** If you wait too long to make the LastSecondEndingChoice, Klogg tells Klaymen to take his time, as he can wait as long as Klaymen can.comments on it.
* NotSoDifferentRemark: One of Klogg's own letters has undertones of this:
-->''Klay,\\
We are from the same mold.''
-->''Klay,\\
We are from the same mold.''
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* TakeAThirdOption: This is actually the solution to one of the [[MoonLogicPuzzle Moon Logic Puzzles]]. Near the end of the game, you come across a room with five ceiling rings and a flytrap, nigh-identical to the room in the Nursery. There is a door to the right, but it's blocked by spikes and a drawbridge. One of the rings lowers the drawbridge, and one removes the spikes, but there is only one flytrap to hold a ring down and make the choice stick. The solution? [[spoiler: Hang from the rightmost ring and fall into the flytrap, which will spit you out to the other side of the door.]]
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* TakeAThirdOption: This is actually the solution to one of the [[MoonLogicPuzzle Moon {{Moon Logic Puzzles]].Puzzle}}s. Near the end of the game, you come across a room with five ceiling rings and a flytrap, nigh-identical to the room in the Nursery. There is a door to the right, but it's blocked by spikes and a drawbridge. One of the rings lowers the drawbridge, and one removes the spikes, but there is only one flytrap to hold a ring down and make the choice stick. The solution? [[spoiler: Hang from the rightmost ring and fall into the flytrap, which will spit you out to the other side of the door.]]]]
* TakeThatAudience: If you keep sifting through Willie's letters, you can find two letters telling Klaymen (and the audience by extension) that he reads too much.
* TakeThatAudience: If you keep sifting through Willie's letters, you can find two letters telling Klaymen (and the audience by extension) that he reads too much.
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* MeaningfulName: Klogg. Which is pronounced like "clog". Hoborg was ''going'' to create more friends for him and Klogg, but since Klogg [[spoiler: stole Hoborg's crown, which he needed to be alive and moving]], all further creations by Hoborg are stopped up.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Pulling a lever inside the Hall of Records shows [[spoiler:moving glyphs of a giant robot having its head blown off by a cannon...]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Pulling a lever inside the Hall of Records shows [[spoiler:moving glyphs of a giant robot having its head blown off by a cannon...cannon, foreshadowing Big Robot Bil's fate.]]
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* ChromosomeCasting: Every single important character is male. Female characters are mentioned in the Hall of Records, but they (along with most of the male characters mentioned in there) are pretty much irrelevant to the game's story.
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* OntologicalMystery: The game begins with Klaymen waking up in a strange room with no backstory or plot explanations whatsoever. [[spoiler:Willie's tapes reveal that Klaymen had been created in the room just a little while ago and he has no backstory.]]
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* BookEnds: The game begins in a big empty room with a door, and a one-way path to a room with ring switches and a flytrap. The final puzzle features [[spoiler:more rings and flytraps, and it's a one-way path to a big empty room with a door.]]
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* BookEnds: The game begins in a big empty room with a door, and a one-way path to a room with ring switches and a flytrap. The final puzzle features [[spoiler:more rings [[spoiler:also uses ring switches and flytraps, a flytrap, and it's a one-way path to a big empty room with a door.]]
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* BookEnds: The game begins with Klaymen waking up alone. The game ends with Klaymen waking up [[spoiler:surrounded by new friends.]]
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* BookEnds: The game begins in a big empty room with a door, and a one-way path to a room with ring switches and a flytrap. The final puzzle features [[spoiler:more rings and flytraps, and it's a one-way path to a big empty room with a door.]]
**The game begins with Klaymen waking up alone. The game ends with Klaymen waking up [[spoiler:surrounded by new friends.]]
**The game begins with Klaymen waking up alone. The game ends with Klaymen waking up [[spoiler:surrounded by new friends.]]
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Many years later, the original creators came back together to create a sort of reboot (maybe; it seems, in fact, to have very little to do with the original): ''Return to the Neverhood'', a comic and album, both of which can be bought (digitally) [[https://danielamosboots.bandcamp.com/album/return-to-the-neverhood here]].
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Many years later, the original creators came back together to create a sort of reboot (maybe; it seems, in fact, to have very little to do with the original): ''Return to the Neverhood'', a comic and album, both of which can be bought (digitally) [[https://danielamosboots.bandcamp.com/album/return-to-the-neverhood here]]. There is also a short fangame by Denis Galanin aka "[=mif2000=]", [[OrphanedSeries which was originally intended to be the first episode of a series]]; it can be downloaded [[https://archive.org/details/klaymen_pilot_episode here]].
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* EasterEgg: If you go all the way to the end of the Hall of Records with the lights turned off, Mark Lorenzen's name can be seen faintly near the floor.
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%% * GiantRobot: Bil, and the Clockwork Beast.
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%% * LargeHam: Klogg, quite obviously. "I DECLARE MYSELF KLOGG, ''RULER'' OF THE NEVERHOOD!"
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* PantsPullingPrank: Done in the good ending by Klaymen to distract Klogg, [[spoiler: so he can take the crown back and give it to Hoborg.]]
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* ShatteredWorld: At the beginning of the game, the game world is split into two halves; to access the second half, you must first rejoin it with the first by releasing the chain that's keeping them pulled apart.
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* SolveTheSoupCans: Averted for the most part, with the majority of puzzles simply running on [[MoonLogicPuzzle moon logic]] but otherwise very clearly [[OnlySmartPeopleMayPass blocking your progress]], but there are a few. In the area with the lake and the cannon, there's a single room with a puzzle where you have to match symbols on blocks to the engravings on the previous block you picked. Only after you've finished the puzzle is it revealed to you that the finished contraption lets you lower the bridge outside into stairs.
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* TakeAThirdOption: This is actually the solution to one of the [[MoonLogicPuzzle Moon Logic Puzzles]]. Near the end of the game, you come across a room with five ceiling rings and a flytrap, nigh-identical to the room in the Nursery. There is a door to the right, but it's blocked by spikes and a drawbridge. One of the rings lowers the drawbridge, and one removes the spikes, but there is only one flytrap to hold a ring down and make the choice stick. The solution? [[spoiler: Hang from the rightmost ring and fall into the flytrap, which will spit you out to the other side of the door.]]
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** One could probably guess that Ogdilla's section is an Expy of ''[[Literature/GulliversTravels Gulliver's Travels]]''... (...Or maybe Aloh Al's diary too is this)
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* BrickJoke: There's a joke in the Hall of Records that doesn't pay off unless you read the whole thing -- it's the same story told from two wildly differing perspectives.
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* BrickJoke: There's a joke in the Hall of Records that doesn't pay off unless you read the whole thing -- it's the same story told from two wildly differing perspectives.perspectives, placed about a dozen "pages" apart.
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* BrickJoke: There's a joke in the Hall of Records that doesn't pay off unless you read the whole thing -- it's the same story told from two wildly differing perspectives.
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** Also subverted by Hoborg. He's TheGoodKing who seems like he's got more braincells to go around than Willie and Klaymen.
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* BodyHorror: In the credits, there's an illustration of Klaymen proudly opening up his malleable chest to display his guts.
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* MinimalistCast: Within the game itself, there are only about seven characters who contribute to the plot in a worthwhile way. However, the game's lore discusses several other characters not present in the game, subverting this trope. Also, [[spoiler:this is subverted in the game's GoodEnding, where Hoborg creates several more creations to act as friends for Klaymen.]]
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* MinimalistCast: Within the game itself, there are only about seven five characters who contribute to the plot in a worthwhile way. However, the game's lore discusses several other characters not present in the game, subverting this trope. Also, [[spoiler:this is subverted in the game's GoodEnding, where Hoborg creates several more creations to act as friends for Klaymen.]]
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* BookEnds: The game begins and ends with Klaymen waking up.
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* BookEnds: The game begins and with Klaymen waking up alone. The game ends with Klaymen waking up.up [[spoiler:surrounded by new friends.]]
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* BiblicalMotifs: The "Making Of" commentary outright admits that most of the story's plot is based on that of the Bible.
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* BiblicalMotifs: The "Making Of" commentary outright admits that most of the story's plot is based on that of the Bible.Biblical fall of mankind.
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* BiblicalMotifs: The "Making Of" commentary outright admits that most of the story's plot is based on that of the Bible.
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* CurseCutShort: Klogg, moments before his defeat. Although given how is defeated, perhaps he was going to say "Son of a gun!"
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* CurseCutShort: Klogg, moments before his [[spoiler:his defeat. Although given how is defeated, perhaps he was going to say "Son of a gun!"gun!"]]
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-> ''[[TheStinger "Man, things are good."]]''
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* GaidenGame: The Japanese publishers of the game made one, called ''Klaymen Gun-Hockey''. Klogg comes back (again) and challenges everyone to air hockey played with guns. [[WidgetSeries As if the original games weren't weird enough...]]
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* GaidenGame: The Japanese publishers of the game made one, called ''Klaymen Gun-Hockey''. Klogg comes back (again) and challenges everyone to air hockey played with guns. [[WidgetSeries As if the original games weren't weird enough...]]
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* DevelopersForesight: Throughout the game, Willie will provide you with hints in the Nursery. When [[spoiler:he is thrown off the Neverhood by Klogg, you can go back to the Nursery to find Klogg sending you notes instead.]]
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* DevelopersForesight: DevelopersForesight:
** Throughout the game, Willie will provide you with hints in the Nursery. When [[spoiler:he is thrown off the Neverhood by Klogg, you can go back to the Nursery to find Klogg sending you notes instead.]]]]
** If you wait too long to make the LastSecondEndingChoice, Klogg tells Klaymen to take his time, as he can wait as long as Klaymen can.
** Throughout the game, Willie will provide you with hints in the Nursery. When [[spoiler:he is thrown off the Neverhood by Klogg, you can go back to the Nursery to find Klogg sending you notes instead.
** If you wait too long to make the LastSecondEndingChoice, Klogg tells Klaymen to take his time, as he can wait as long as Klaymen can.
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* CainAndAbel: Klogg being Klaymen's quintessential evil older brother. Although the evil did come before he even HAD a brother.
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* CainAndAbel: Klogg [[spoiler:Klogg being Klaymen's quintessential evil older brother. Although the evil did come before he even HAD a brother.]]
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* EveryoneIsRelated: Aside from robots and animals, [[spoiler:everyone present within the game falls under this. Klaymen and Klogg are brothers due to being Hoborg's "children", Willie Trombone is their cousin due to his father being Hoborg's brother and Hoborg could be considered Klaymen and Klogg's father because, well, he created them.]]
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* EveryoneIsRelated: Aside from robots and animals, [[spoiler:everyone present within the game falls under this. Klaymen and Klogg are brothers due to being Hoborg's "children", brothers, Willie Trombone is their cousin due (due to his father Ottoborg being Hoborg's brother brother) and Hoborg could be considered Klaymen and Klogg's father because, well, he created them.]]
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* DevelopersForesight: Throughout the game, Willie will provide you with hints in the Nursery. When [[spoiler:he is thrown off the Neverhood by Klogg, you can go back to the Nursery to find Klogg sending you notes instead.]]
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* TriumphantReprise: "The Battle Of Robot Bil" gets a slow and brief one in the Good Ending when [[spoiler:Hoborg brings Bil and Willie back.]]