History VideoGame / SecretOfMana

3rd Jan '17 2:20:30 PM Kalaong
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** Grinding for weapon levels is also fairly useless. While the higher-level charged attacks look cool, they take a long time to charge up that high, and you'll almost certainly hit the damage cap with lower-level moves. You also need to find the final Weapon Orbs as [[RandomlyDrops random drops in the final dungeon]], so you might not even find them in the first place. Not to mention, the final form of the eight weapons don't get any special abilities, whereas the penultimate forms usually have some sort of passive bonus that makes it more practical to stay at the InfinityMinusOneSword form.

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** Grinding for weapon levels is also fairly useless. While the higher-level charged attacks look cool, they take a long time to charge up that high, and you'll almost certainly hit the damage cap with lower-level moves. You also need to find the final Weapon Orbs as [[RandomlyDrops random drops RandomDrops in the final dungeon]], VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon, so you might not even find them in the first place. Not to mention, the final form of the eight weapons don't get any special abilities, whereas the penultimate forms usually have some sort of passive bonus that makes it more practical to stay at the InfinityMinusOneSword form.
24th Dec '16 5:24:36 AM Silverblade2
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* AbsurdlySpaciousSewer: The Imperial Sewers.



* AmazingTechnicolorBattlefield: The Mana Fortress is trippy in both music and appearance.



* BigFancyCastle: Elinee's and the Emperor's castles.



* BloodlessCarnage[=/=]NeverSayDie: [[spoiler:Dyluck's]] suicide is hinted at but not seen. We fade immediately to black and then to the Oracle boss arena.

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* BloodlessCarnage[=/=]NeverSayDie: BloodlessCarnage: [[spoiler:Dyluck's]] suicide is hinted at but not seen. We fade immediately to black and then to the Oracle boss arena.



* BroughtDownToNormal[=/=]GrannyClassic: Once she's defeated, Elinee reverts from a hooded psychopath to a kindly old granny with her hair in a bun.

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* BroughtDownToNormal[=/=]GrannyClassic: BroughtDownToNormal: Once she's defeated, Elinee reverts from a hooded psychopath to a kindly old granny with her hair in a bun.



* DeathMountain: The Lofty Mountains.



* DiscOneFinalDungeon: The Emperor's crib.



* DoomedHometown: Potos has a small vermin problem...



* DungeonShop: Ever-reliable Neko is always hiding in a nook somewhere.



* FirstTown: Potos.



* HailfirePeaks: The climate of the Great Forest is carved up according to season. On a smaller scale, the Scorpion Army harnesses the power of Salamando to create [[MundaneUtility a tourist trap]] in the middle of Ice Country.



* LoveMakesYouEvil / MoreThanMindControl: Phanna was able to be manipulated by Thanatos because of her growing jealousy of Primm and Dyluck's relationship. [[spoiler:With a little medical treatment in Southtown, she gets over it and the two girls reconcile near the end of the game.]]

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* LoveMakesYouEvil / MoreThanMindControl: TheLostWoods: The Great Forest.
* LoveMakesYouEvil:
Phanna was able to be manipulated by Thanatos because of her growing jealousy of Primm and Dyluck's relationship. [[spoiler:With a little medical treatment in Southtown, she gets over it and the two girls reconcile near the end of the game.]]



%%* MedievalEuropeanFantasy
* MinusWorld: It is possible to sneak back into the village and get your [[MemeticMutation power wrist]] by exploiting a glitch, but you won't be able to get ''out'' again unless you have control of Flammie.



* MonsterTown: Matango.



* NoobCave: Gaia's Navel.



* OminousFloatingCastle: The Mana Fortress.



* ShiftingSandLand: The Arid Sands([[IAmNotShazam which is constantly mistakenly called Kakkara despite Kakkara only being the oasis citystate in the Arid Sands]]).



* SinisterSubway: Located underneath the Ancient City. Zombies are the only passengers...aside from one Eggplant Man and two Needlions.



* ThrivingGhostTown: Potos has only three houses!



* {{Tomorrowland}}: The base of the Great Palace is a textbook example of RagnarokProofing.



* VideoGameSettings:
** AbsurdlySpaciousSewer: The Imperial Sewers.
** AmazingTechnicolorBattlefield: The Mana Fortress is trippy in both music and appearance.
** BigFancyCastle: Elinee's and the Emperor's castles.
** DeathMountain: The Lofty Mountains.
** DiscOneFinalDungeon: The Emperor's crib.
** DoomedHometown / FirstTown: Potos has a small vermin problem...
** DungeonShop: Ever-reliable Neko is always hiding in a nook somewhere.
** FirstTown: Potos.
** HailfirePeaks: The climate of the Great Forest is carved up according to season. On a smaller scale, the Scorpion Army harnesses the power of Salamando to create [[MundaneUtility a tourist trap]] in the middle of Ice Country.
** TheLostWoods / TheMaze: The Great Forest.
** MedievalEuropeanFantasy
** MinusWorld: It is possible to sneak back into the village and get your [[MemeticMutation power wrist]] by exploiting a glitch, but you won't be able to get ''out'' again unless you have control of Flammie.
** MonsterTown: Matango.
** NoobCave: Gaia's Navel.
** OminousFloatingCastle / TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon: The Mana Fortress.
** OneTimeDungeon: After blowing up the Emperor's Castle, he stops sending invitations. The Ancient City sinks back below the sea after the Mana Fortress rises.
** ShiftingSandLand: The Arid Sands([[IAmNotShazam which is constantly mistakenly called Kakkara despite Kakkara only being the oasis citystate in the Arid Sands]]).
** SinisterSubway: Located underneath the Ancient City. Zombies are the only passengers...aside from one Eggplant Man and two Needlions.
** ThrivingGhostTown: Potos has only three houses!
** {{Tomorrowland}}: The base of the Great Palace is a textbook example of RagnarokProofing.



* WildMassGuessing:
** The [[spoiler:Mana Beast]] sure looked a lot like Flammie. ...say, where ''does'' Flammie go after the Mana Beast is defeated?
** And those ittybitty purple dragons in the Upper Land Woods...
*** The characters themselves remark on this: "I guess in those days Flammies were [[spoiler:Mana Beasts]]..."
*** And one of the mushroom people in Matango remarks that those "ittybitty" dragons are "similar to" Mana Beasts...
** There's some reoccurring names and character archetypes in the ''Seiken Densetsu''/''Mana'' series that were likely used just to prompt this!
19th Dec '16 5:50:45 PM Unregistered
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** ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghKpsiv-scQ Eternal Recurrence]]''. One of the best songs in the game. Plays in a two-rooms dungeon, only ''after'' you clear it, and in a few of the altar chambers.
** ''The Oracle'' could be considered kind of wasted too. If you spam magic like a mad thing, you probably won't hear a damn thing of it, and it's fricking wicked. Damn limited sound channels.
** ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ4T5rtvAk A Conclusion]]'' is another strong example, heard only twice in the entire game -- once when [[spoiler:the gang meets a dying Mana Tree]] and again after [[spoiler:the Dark Lich is defeated, and Primm is mourning Dyluck]]. In the second instance, it's only playing for a couple of lines of dialogue before the dungeon begins to collapse, when it then switches to ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZzxbfdgvg Morning Is Here]]''. Which, incidentally, is another LongSongShortScene situation, as it only plays in that one scene. As is the song immediately afterwards, ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R0Y21EcBRs One Of Them Is Hope]].''
** Jeez, that entire area has a lot of Wasted Music of Awesome. The brief track that plays once Dark Lich appears, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts572usU0Eg The Curse]], is one of the most genuinely terrifying little bits of strange in any game.
** "Phantom and a Rose" (AKA "Rose and Ghost") only plays in two places: Pandora (before you fix the problems they're facing) and the ruined Sprite Village.

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** ''[[http://www.''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghKpsiv-scQ com/watch?v=w4Kv3ZlvQLw Eternal Recurrence]]''. One of the best songs in the game. Plays in a two-rooms dungeon, only ''after'' you clear it, and in a few of the altar chambers.
** ''The Oracle'' ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEmDpKsMJWc The Oracle]]'' could be considered kind of wasted too. If you spam magic like a mad thing, you probably won't hear a damn thing of it, and it's fricking wicked. Damn limited sound channels.
** ''[[http://www.''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ4T5rtvAk com/watch?v=c89YgEs1Jog A Conclusion]]'' is another strong example, heard only twice in the entire game -- once when [[spoiler:the gang meets a dying Mana Tree]] and again after [[spoiler:the Dark Lich is defeated, and Primm is mourning Dyluck]]. In the second instance, it's only playing for a couple of lines of dialogue before the dungeon begins to collapse, when it then switches to ''[[http://www.''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZzxbfdgvg com/watch?v=7GGiE7_Ryaw Morning Is Here]]''. Which, incidentally, is another LongSongShortScene situation, as it only plays in that one scene. As is the song immediately afterwards, ''[[http://www.''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R0Y21EcBRs com/watch?v=-IlAeZYIPX8 One Of Them Is Hope]].''
** Jeez, that entire area has a lot of Wasted Music of Awesome. The brief track that plays once Dark Lich appears, [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts572usU0Eg com/watch?v=O6lhXhJ20wc The Curse]], is one of the most genuinely terrifying little bits of strange in any game.
** "Phantom ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZOLmuVDdw Phantom and a Rose" Rose]]'' (AKA "Rose and Ghost") only plays in two places: Pandora (before you fix the problems they're facing) and the ruined Sprite Village.
6th Dec '16 9:10:27 PM Xtifr
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'''''Secret of Mana''''', known in Japan as '''''Seiken Densetsu 2''''' (聖剣伝説2), is the second game taking place in the ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana''. It follows the story of a boy who mistakenly pulls the Sword of Mana [[OnlyTheChosenMayWield out of a rock]] to cut a path back to town. Unleashing the Sword also opened its seal on evil, and monsters begin to ransack the world again. Back at the ranch, it doesn't take long for the pitchforks to come out, and the boy is [[FelonyMisdemeanor exiled from his home forever]]. With nowhere to go, he is left with little choice but to fulfill his destiny as the Mana Knight -- with the help of a runaway young lady and a [[AmbiguousGender sprite]] who tried to con them out of their money. Naturally, this involves stopping [[TheEmpire an evil empire]] before it unseals a number of [=MacGuffins=] and raises some demonic superweapon.

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'''''Secret ''Secret of Mana''''', Mana'', known in Japan as '''''Seiken ''Seiken Densetsu 2''''' 2'' (聖剣伝説2), is the second game taking place in the ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana''. It follows the story of a boy who mistakenly pulls the Sword of Mana [[OnlyTheChosenMayWield out of a rock]] to cut a path back to town. Unleashing the Sword also opened its seal on evil, and monsters begin to ransack the world again. Back at the ranch, it doesn't take long for the pitchforks to come out, and the boy is [[FelonyMisdemeanor exiled from his home forever]]. With nowhere to go, he is left with little choice but to fulfill his destiny as the Mana Knight -- with the help of a runaway young lady and a [[AmbiguousGender sprite]] who tried to con them out of their money. Naturally, this involves stopping [[TheEmpire an evil empire]] before it unseals a number of [=MacGuffins=] and raises some demonic superweapon.
23rd Nov '16 2:07:44 PM Beed28
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* NumberOfTheBeast: [[spoiler:Dark Lich, the penultimate boss and the true form of Thanatos, has 6666 HP]].
20th Nov '16 3:27:05 AM SeptimusHeap
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** The [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja Dark Stalker]], a boss who masquerades as Tanasca's {{fake king}}. In the [[ForcedLevelGrinding very next area]]!

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** The [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja Dark Stalker]], Stalker, a boss who masquerades as Tanasca's {{fake king}}. In the [[ForcedLevelGrinding very next area]]!
2nd Oct '16 11:20:30 AM dotchan
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* DropInDropOutMultiplayer: Possible on a local level with up to 3 players, if one has the accessory that allows more than 2 controllers to be plugged in.
1st Oct '16 11:39:24 AM Angeldeb82
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* AllThereInTheManual: It has the [[CanonName canon names]] for the main characters. According to the Japanese version, the boy is Randi/Randy, the girl is Purim/Prim(m), and the sprite is Popoi(e); the English manual just calls the boy "JEFF" and the girl "KAREN" (the former was [[CanonName confirmed]] in iOS version material and spinoffs). The in-package German strategy guide has another set of names: Erwin for the boy, Trudi for the girl and Helga for the sprite.

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* AllThereInTheManual: It has the [[CanonName canon names]] {{canon name}}s for the main characters. According to the Japanese version, the boy is Randi/Randy, the girl is Purim/Prim(m), and the sprite is Popoi(e); the English manual just calls the boy "JEFF" and the girl "KAREN" (the former was [[CanonName confirmed]] in iOS version material and spinoffs). The in-package German strategy guide has another set of names: Erwin for the boy, Trudi for the girl and Helga for the sprite.



* TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything:

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* TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything: DevelopersForesight:
24th Sep '16 7:17:05 PM AdamC
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* AdamSmithHatesYourGuts: Neko sells items at double the price other merchants do. While you can normally ignore his wares through most of the game, he's the only vendor who sells decent gear for you when you head to the Purelands for the first time, meaning you'll be forced to pay an obscene amount of money for the required goods, or deal with getting hit really hard from the monsters that live there.

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* AdamSmithHatesYourGuts: Neko sells items at double the price other merchants do. While you can normally ignore his wares through most of the game, he's the only vendor who sells decent gear for you when you head to the Purelands for the first time, meaning you'll be forced to pay an obscene amount of money for the required goods, or deal with getting hit really hard from the monsters that live there. Fortunately by that time the gold dropped by enemies is high enough that the price-hike for a lot of goods isn't as big a deal anymore.
31st Jul '16 6:04:08 AM Kalaong
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''Secret of Mana'' was intended to launch on the SNES [[UsefulNotes/{{SNESCDROM}} CD add-on]], but when that fell through, Creator/{{Square|Enix}}soft was left with a contractual obligation to make the game, but on the much smaller space of a cartridge instead of the CD-ROM they'd expected. They spent several months stripping the game down: removing large sections of the game-world, shortening the script, adjusting the game's plot, re-writing or removing a great deal of dialogue, and using compressed instruments and recomposing the music in an SPC format for the SNES. While this did have the side-effect of pushing the limit of the SNES's capabilities to the limit (making it much more [[SceneryPorn aesthetically stunning]] than almost any other 16-bit game of the time), it proved murderous on the text and left some obvious gaps in the plotline. In spite of that, it received incredible critical acclaim at the time of its release and the original is still considered one of the strongest games of the 16-bit era. This legacy led to an updated [[IOSGames iOS]] release in 2010, ported to Android in 2014.

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''Secret of Mana'' was intended to launch on the SNES [[UsefulNotes/{{SNESCDROM}} CD add-on]], but when that fell through, Creator/{{Square|Enix}}soft was left with a contractual obligation to make the game, but on the much smaller space of a cartridge instead of the CD-ROM they'd expected. They spent several months stripping the game down: removing large sections of the game-world, shortening the script, adjusting the game's plot, re-writing or removing a great deal of dialogue, and using compressed instruments and recomposing the music in an SPC format for the SNES. While this did have the side-effect of pushing the limit of the SNES's capabilities to the limit (making it much more [[SceneryPorn aesthetically stunning]] than almost any other 16-bit game of the time), it proved murderous on the text and left some obvious gaps in the plotline. In spite of that, it received incredible critical acclaim at the time of its release and the original is still considered one of the strongest games of the 16-bit era. This legacy led to an updated [[IOSGames iOS]] release in 2010, ported to Android in 2014.
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