History VideoGame / Persona

17th Apr '18 7:21:07 PM nombretomado
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* ArbitraryHeadcountLimit: Your party is limited to five members. Once you have five, you can't recruit anyone else. While this makes sense gameplay-wise, and is explained plot-wise by having one of your party members pissing off a potential recruit so they leave, it's {{egregious}} because [[{{VideoGame/Persona 2}} later events]] imply everyone worked to save the city ''together''.

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* ArbitraryHeadcountLimit: Your party is limited to five members. Once you have five, you can't recruit anyone else. While this makes sense gameplay-wise, and is explained plot-wise by having one of your party members pissing off a potential recruit so they leave, it's {{egregious}} JustForFun/{{egregious}} because [[{{VideoGame/Persona 2}} later events]] imply everyone worked to save the city ''together''.
13th Mar '18 9:06:50 AM rmctagg09
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* AdaptationDistillation: The manga compresses some plot elements, such as removing the Shrine section and helping the nurse before Elly arrives (instead, she met Ms. Sonomura on the road and awakens her Persona offscreen), and Mark and Nanjo were the ones captured and taken to SEBEC rather than the Police Station, leaving Brown to inform the rest, and they included the early parts of Snow Queen Quest (Toro and the penis demon) before they try going to SEBEC, awakening Ayase's Persona. And lastly? It seems that ''everyone'' minus Yukino ARE tagging along rather than 'just pick one aside of Naoya, Maki, Mark, and Nanjo'.
** Not just Yukino, the manga also leaves Ayase behind. The party is composed by Naoya, Maki, Nanjo, Mark, Elly, Brown and Reiji. Igor and the Velvet Room only appear at the start of the third volume. The Snow Queen Quest is also briefly glossed over: after returning from [[spoiler:Maki's dreamworld]], the party finds themselves at school during the Snow Queen Quest instead of Deva Yuga. While Kumi's (the guardian of Hypnos Tower) backstory is completly explored, Nemesis Tower and its guardian are never shown and Yuriko (guardian of Thanatos Tower) only appears for ''one panel''. Also some other minor things, such as Maki's awakening of her Persona, are never shown.



** AdaptationDistillation: It also compresses some plot elements, such as removing the Shrine section and helping the nurse before Elly arrives (instead, she met Ms. Sonomura on the road and awakens her Persona offscreen), and Mark and Nanjo were the ones captured and taken to SEBEC rather than the Police Station, leaving Brown to inform the rest, and they included the early parts of Snow Queen Quest (Toro and the penis demon) before they try going to SEBEC, awakening Ayase's Persona. And lastly? It seems that ''everyone'' minus Yukino ARE tagging along rather than 'just pick one aside of Naoya, Maki, Mark, and Nanjo'.
*** Not just Yukino, the manga also leaves Ayase behind. The party is composed by Naoya, Maki, Nanjo, Mark, Elly, Brown and Reiji. Igor and the Velvet Room only appear at the start of the third volume. The Snow Queen Quest is also briefly glossed over: after returning from [[spoiler:Maki's dreamworld]], the party finds themselves at school during the Snow Queen Quest instead of Deva Yuga. While Kumi's (the guardian of Hypnos Tower) backstory is completly explored, Nemesis Tower and its guardian are never shown and Yuriko (guardian of Thanatos Tower) only appears for ''one panel''. Also some other minor things, such as Maki's awakening of her Persona, are never shown.
13th Mar '18 9:00:55 AM GabrieliosP
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** AdaptationDistillation: It also compresses some plot elements, such as removing the Shrine section and helping the nurse before Elly arrives (instead, she met Ms. Sonomura on the road and awakens her Persona offscreen), and Mark and Nanjou were the ones captured and taken to the SEBEC rather than Police Station, leaving Brown to inform the rest, and they included the early parts of Snow Queen Quest (Toro and the penis demon) before they try going to SEBEC, awakening Ayase's Persona. And lastly? It seems that ''everyone'' minus Yukino ARE tagging along rather than 'just pick one aside of Naoya, Maki, Mark, and Nanjo'.

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** AdaptationDistillation: It also compresses some plot elements, such as removing the Shrine section and helping the nurse before Elly arrives (instead, she met Ms. Sonomura on the road and awakens her Persona offscreen), and Mark and Nanjou Nanjo were the ones captured and taken to the SEBEC rather than the Police Station, leaving Brown to inform the rest, and they included the early parts of Snow Queen Quest (Toro and the penis demon) before they try going to SEBEC, awakening Ayase's Persona. And lastly? It seems that ''everyone'' minus Yukino ARE tagging along rather than 'just pick one aside of Naoya, Maki, Mark, and Nanjo'.



* AlwaysIdenticalTwins: Two pairs in the manga, [[spoiler:Naoya and Kazuya]] as well as Elly and her unnamed younger twin that's only mentioned in a single panel.

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* AlwaysIdenticalTwins: Two pairs in the manga, [[spoiler:Naoya and Kazuya]] as well as Elly and her unnamed Elly's younger twin that's sisters who are only mentioned in a single panel.passing.



* AwesomeButImpractical: Stat buffs/debuffs from spells will stack, with no theoretical limit. This means you can spam spells like Makakaja[[note]][=MAGUp=][[/note]] until the damage hits the 4000 mark... except that it takes ''many'' turns to reach that kind of damage, in which time most enemies can be killed repeatedly. In fact, it's only useful for the last boss, which spams debuffs, forcing you to counter with buffs.

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* AwesomeButImpractical: Stat buffs/debuffs from spells will stack, with no theoretical limit.stack up to 7 (buffs) or 4 (debuffs) times. This means you can spam spells like Makakaja[[note]][=MAGUp=][[/note]] until the damage hits the 4000 mark... except that it takes ''many'' turns to reach that kind of damage, in which time most enemies can be killed repeatedly. In fact, it's only useful for the last boss, which spams debuffs, forcing you to counter with buffs. This was changed in the PSP port for game balancing so both buffs and debuffs only stack up to 2 uses.



* {{BookEnds}}: The final cutscene of the game takes place at the Protagonist's classroom, the same place where they play the Persona game at the beginning of the game.



** Not necessarily. While it's true that his Arcanum doesn't allow him to equip the speedy Justice Personas, he serves to sweep up the mess with the Chariot Arcana's powerful spells and high Offensive Magical Power. Like with the Priestess Arcana Personas, how much use you can make out of his initial arcana depends upon [[DifficultButAwesome how skilled you are in fusion]]. In addition, one could remedy the fact by simply giving him another speedy Arcana like Magician or by simply letting [[TheOnlyOne everybody else defend with only him attacking]] to counteract this.

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** Not necessarily. While it's true that his Arcanum Arcana doesn't allow him to equip the speedy Justice Personas, he serves to sweep up the mess with the Chariot Arcana's powerful spells and high Offensive Magical Power. Like with the Priestess Arcana Personas, how much use you can make out of his initial arcana depends upon [[DifficultButAwesome how skilled you are in fusion]]. In addition, one could remedy the fact by simply giving him another speedy Arcana like Magician or by simply letting [[TheOnlyOne everybody else defend with only him attacking]] to counteract this.



* ContrivedCoincidence: The main characters receive the ability to summon Personas mere hours before demons invade the city.

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* ContrivedCoincidence: The main characters receive playing the ability to summon Personas Persona game mere hours before demons invade the city.city. [[spoiler:While it's clear that the game is a means for Philemon to select humans worthy of having a Persona, he has no control over who plays the game or when they do it.]]



** This also makes the economy of the game somewhat easier, thanks to changing yen/macca to dollars without adjusting for proper balance. As a result, many items are very cheap, and best of all, the healing spring that Trish (called Kelly in the US [=PS1=] version) would've charged out the nose for is very cheap.

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** This also makes the economy of the game somewhat easier, thanks to changing yen/macca yen to dollars without adjusting for proper balance. As a result, many items are very cheap, and best of all, the healing spring that Trish (called Kelly in the US [=PS1=] version) would've charged out the nose for is very cheap.



*** Returning Janus, a level 22 persona, earns Masao the Mandau Spoon, which jumps his weapon attack power from about 65 or 92 to [[ReadingsAreOffTheScale 181]]. He can't find another excellent weapon until the player returns a max rank Varuna for his ultimate weapon.

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*** ** Returning Janus, a level 22 persona, earns Masao the Mandau Spoon, which jumps his weapon attack power from about 65 or 92 to [[ReadingsAreOffTheScale 181]]. He can't find another excellent weapon until the player returns a max rank Varuna for his ultimate weapon.



* DiscOneFinalDungeon: Deva Yuga. [[spoiler:Technically it's the final dungeon of the Bad Ending, but the True Ending continues for three more dungeons.]]



* DummiedOut: The room that contains the Snow Queen's Mask (needed to trigger the Snow Queen Quest path) ejects you in the US version of the game; it's still possible to trigger the Quest by placing the Mask in the inventory with a cheat device. The Snow Queen Quest itself was never actually translated until recently; the reason for this has been the subject of quite a few EpilepticTrees among fans.

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* DummiedOut: The room that contains the Snow Queen's Mask (needed to trigger the Snow Queen Quest path) ejects you in the US version of the game; it's still possible to trigger the Quest with a cheat device by either either placing the Mask in the inventory with a cheat device.or forcibly triggering the flag that allows you to enter the storageroom and collecting it manually. The Snow Queen Quest itself was never actually translated until recently; the reason for this has been the subject of quite a few EpilepticTrees among fans.



** Also, Spell Cards. While they are useful since they're used to fuse Personas and you can use them to immediately shoo some enemies without fail, the Avatar Totem needed to fuse Vishnu can only be obtained if you collect ALL cards.



** The Expel Mirror is needed to fight a boss in the subway.



* NonElemental: Averted in the remake. Everything, even axes and uzi automatics, have strengths and weaknesses against demons. Apparently, Angels can take shotgun fire, but certainly hate getting [[MoreDakka peppered in the face by an uzi automatic]]. Upheld only on one noticeable attack: Butterfly Storm.

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* NonElemental: Averted in the remake. Everything, even axes and uzi automatics, have strengths and weaknesses against demons. Apparently, Angels can take shotgun fire, but certainly hate getting [[MoreDakka peppered in the face by an uzi automatic]]. Upheld only on one noticeable attack: Butterfly Storm.some boss-only spells but they're still considered magic and can be reflected by Makarakarn.


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* SlidingScaleOfGameplayAndStoryIntegration: Demons manage to capture Mark because he ran out of SP (explained as Personas draining one's energy). Also, Chewing Souls heal quite a significant amount of SP outside of battle, but a miniscule amount during it. Why? Because it's chewing gum. Characters can take it easy and savor the gum outside of battle, but they don't have that luxury during combat. The manga also manages to translate quite a few gameplay mechanics into the story:
** Characters without a Persona (as seen in the beginning of the game and in Thanatos Tower) have just 1 Magical Defense. When Takeda hits Brown, Maki and Elly using magic, the latter two are merely scratched while the Persona-less Brown is gravely injured.
** In the game, awakening battles have all party members level up and the game also features LevelUpFillUp. When Brown awakens to his Persona after the above incident, he's completely healed.
** As Thanatos Tower also shows, characters without a Persona cannot be affected by healing magic. When the party tries to use healing magic on Yosuke, they remark that healing doesn't work on regular humans though it feels like being massaged.
** When Reiji fights Yog Sothoth Jr. alone, the demon casts Sukunda on him. Even after the other characters join the fight, Reiji's attacks keep missing until Nanjo casts Sukukaja to cancel out Yog's Sukunda.
** During the fight against [[spoiler:Pandora]], she nearly wipes the party using Butterfly Storm. The second time she casts the spell the party is injured but mostly fine because (in their own words) they spammed defense buffs.


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* YouAllLookFamiliar: Shop owners. The Satomi Tadashis are handwaved as StrongFamilyResemblance, but there's no explanation for the others. Noteworthy because Yukino actually comments on this.


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* ZombieApocalypse: The first monsters fought by the party (and pretty common enemies in the first dungeon and the city map) are zombies.
4th Mar '18 10:53:58 AM rmctagg09
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* BottomlessMagazines: Never once the characters had to reload their guns.

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* BottomlessMagazines: Never once do the characters had have to reload their guns.
3rd Mar '18 2:23:00 PM MM_Crusader
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* BottomlessMagazines: Never once the characters had to reload their guns.


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* PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo: The female protagonist of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIf'' appears as an NPC and is given the name Tamaki Uchida.
3rd Mar '18 2:13:10 PM MM_Crusader
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* {{BookEnds}}: The final cutscene of the game takes place at the Protagonist's classroom, the same place where they play the Persona game at the beginning of the game.
3rd Feb '18 11:25:38 AM FF32
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* ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange: One of the things the English dub of the [=PS1=] original was infamous for. It attempted to change the location from Japan to Chicago... despite the fact that one of the major areas in the game is a ''Shinto shrine'', on top of many of the houses looking very Japanese influenced. Thankfully, this is {{Averted}} in the PSP remake, which keeps the setting in Japan.

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* ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange: One of the things the English dub of the [=PS1=] original was infamous for. It attempted to change the location from Japan to Chicago...the United States... despite the fact that one of the major areas in the game is a ''Shinto shrine'', on top of many of the houses looking very Japanese influenced. Thankfully, this is {{Averted}} in the PSP remake, which keeps the setting in Japan.
27th Jan '18 11:31:53 AM MM_Crusader
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* AscendedExtra: A few St. Hermerlin students and teachers play a larger role the Snow Queen Quest while Yukino is fully playable.


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* DemotedToExtra: Maki, Masao and Reiji are not playable in the Snow Queen Quest.
27th Jan '18 9:33:33 AM rmctagg09
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* CuttingOffTheBranches: In the original game, you could pick either the SEBEC route or the Snow Queen Quest, and for the SEBEC route, you had a choice of Brown, Elly, Ayase, or Reiji, while in the SQQ, you had a choice of two between Nanjo, Brown, and Elly. In ''VideoGame/Persona2'', it is implied that the SQQ took place before SEBEC's first boss, and everyone was involved in the SEBEC portion of the plot (even Yukino, who you can't actually get in the SEBEC route in-game).
** The game also establishes that the protagonist of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIf'' a girl though which route she chose in her game is unknown.

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* CuttingOffTheBranches: CuttingOffTheBranches:
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In the original game, you could pick either the SEBEC route or the Snow Queen Quest, and for the SEBEC route, you had a choice of Brown, Elly, Ayase, or Reiji, while in the SQQ, you had a choice of two between Nanjo, Brown, and Elly. In ''VideoGame/Persona2'', it is implied that the SQQ took place before SEBEC's first boss, and everyone was involved in the SEBEC portion of the plot (even Yukino, who you can't actually get in the SEBEC route in-game).
** The game also establishes that the protagonist of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIf'' was a girl girl, though which route she chose in her game is unknown.
26th Jan '18 10:38:02 PM MM_Crusader
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* CuttingOffTheBranches: In the original game, you could pick either the SEBEC route or the Snow Queen Quest, and for the SEBEC route, you had a choice of Brown, Elly, Ayase, or Reiji, while in the SQQ, you had a choice of two between Nanjo, Brown, and Elly. In {{VideoGame/Persona2}}, it is implied that the SQQ took place before SEBEC's first boss, and everyone was involved in the SEBEC portion of the plot (even Yukino, who you can't actually get in the SEBEC route in-game).

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* CuttingOffTheBranches: In the original game, you could pick either the SEBEC route or the Snow Queen Quest, and for the SEBEC route, you had a choice of Brown, Elly, Ayase, or Reiji, while in the SQQ, you had a choice of two between Nanjo, Brown, and Elly. In {{VideoGame/Persona2}}, ''VideoGame/Persona2'', it is implied that the SQQ took place before SEBEC's first boss, and everyone was involved in the SEBEC portion of the plot (even Yukino, who you can't actually get in the SEBEC route in-game).in-game).
** The game also establishes that the protagonist of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIf'' a girl though which route she chose in her game is unknown.
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