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* CallingYourAttacks: Obtaining the Spell Shout Talent causes Pathfinders to do this.
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*** One of Ironsing's Mantras, Firing Line, can be modified with a Blast Spark to create cannons instead. Except the cannons have quite a lot of wooden parts on them, which the Ironsinger can't manipulate.
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* LittleBitBeastly: The people of Lumen have animal traits due to Hereditary Vows.
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** The Mudwoken event had a horde of Mudskippers take over Deepwoken and its companion Discord server, turning all players and most [=NPCs=] into Mudskippers.

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** The Mudwoken event had a horde of Mudskippers take over perform a HostileShowTakeover of Deepwoken and its companion Discord server, turning all players and most [=NPCs=] into Mudskippers.
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** Because of the risks of accidental disconnections, getting logged with a PVE combat tag while having above 75% Health will not count as a death, which is incredibly useful in certain situations such as a Depths Trial softlock.
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** However, in Chinese culture a Calabash carries connotations of health and is believed to absorb negative qi. Etris carries Chinese symbolism, so this is actually rather fitting.


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** An in universe example. Flamecharmers is the most versatile attunement thanks to its ability to serve in almost any industry compared to its fellows, such as being used in tandem with Ironsing in blacksmithing or being used to prepare food.


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* HavingABlast: All Flamecharmers bar one are incapable of actually producing streams of fire or manipulating existing ones, and have to resort to creating a series of explosions to replicate pyrokinesis.


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*** Ironsing as a whole falls into this. As it can only manipulate metals, those seen using it would have to be carrying duffel bags filled with the stuff to pull off the things seen in their Mantras.
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** Regalias are similar in function from ''Rogue Lineage'', being secret rewards for progression. The problem? There's no indicator of what Regalia you have or if you even if you managed to obtain one. It took at least a year before Arch_Mage clarified that there were 4 regalias in the game, and even then, the only way to find out is through trial and error.

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* BadLuckMitigationMechanic: Aces are able to Freeze valuable Talent Cards if your build relies on certain cards that are useful but have two on them in the same hand, increasing the chance that card will appear in a later hand, and also Burning unnecessary Talent Cards ensuring that they will never appear in any hand again unless you brought them back through the Shrine of Conceit.

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Aces are able to Freeze valuable Talent Cards if your build relies on certain cards that are useful but have two on them in the same hand, increasing the chance that card will appear in a later hand, and also Burning unnecessary Talent Cards ensuring that they will never appear in any hand again unless you brought them back through the Shrine of Conceit.Conceit.
** Mystics can have a specific group of Talent Cards or Mantra to always appear the next time you increase your Power at the small price of 20 Notes.
* BalanceBuff:
** Fishman initially granted additional HP regeneration when swimming, at the expense of being mutually exclusive with Conditioned Runner. Considering how niche this talent was and was really only useful for fighting the Dread Serpent in the Voidsea, this was later reworked to instead allow players to grip knocked enemies, making it very useful against players with Scuba Drowner.
** Perfect Flash initially required the player to have [[FullHealthBonus max health]] to activate its Mantra damage increase effect. Because of how tough it was to have full health when in combat and was only useable for getting Chain of Perfection, it was later changed so that you merely need at least 95% of your health, but to compensate, the damage scaling now decreases based on the distance of your enemy.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Infamous Baz was created solely to invoke this trope.
--> '''baz''': "The lore is a straight line and Infamous Baz is a bump."
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Infamous Baz was created solely to invoke this trope.
--> '''baz''': "The lore is a straight line and Infamous Baz is a bump."
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** Using the Moonseye Tome in the Voidsea produces a unique mural that can only be found through this interaction.

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** Using the Moonseye Tome in the Voidsea produces a allows the unique mural that can only to be found through this interaction.seen far more clearly.

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** Using the Moonseye Tome in the Voidsea produces a unique mural that can only be found through this interaction.



--> '''Description of The 72 Seasons''': ''Music permeates the halls of this inn between space and time.''



--> '''Description of The 72 Seasons''': ''Music permeates the halls of this inn between space and time.''


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* TomeOfEldritchLore: The Moonseye Tome is said to be the ramblings of the Prophet Pariah of the Lullaby Isles' dream, who attempted to navigate the Voidsea to find a stairway to the heavens. In-game, reading it for the first time has the player being assaulted by the thoughts within the book, maxing out their Knowledge, but subsequent usage has them be more gentle, granting players 20 Knowledge instead.

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* Golem: Both Duke Erisia and the Hive employ these creations in large, almost excessive, amounts.

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* Golem: {{Golem}}: Both Duke Erisia and the Hive employ these creations in large, almost excessive, amounts.


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*** The Frostdraw trainer, Nell, wields the Gran Sudaruska, not because she is its canonical inheritor but because there are no other Frostdraw legendary weapons she could use.


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*** Players with the Contractor Oath cannot equip the Gran Sudaruska, because she hates anything and anyone to do with the Ministry.
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''[[https://www.roblox.com/games/4111023553/Deepwoken-Verse-2 Deepwoken]]'' is an ActionRPG {{Roguelike}} made in ''VideoGame/{{Roblox}}'' by Vows by the Sea, a subdivision of Monad Studios.

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''[[https://www.roblox.com/games/4111023553/Deepwoken-Verse-2 Deepwoken]]'' is an ActionRPG {{Roguelike}} made in ''VideoGame/{{Roblox}}'' ''Platform/{{Roblox}}'' by Vows by the Sea, a subdivision of Monad Studios.

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* PlanetHeck: The third layer of the Depths is said to be this.
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Canor were this before their eventual "domestication" at the hands of the Adret.
* RandomLootExchanger:
** Jeremiah takes Deep Gems in exchange for a chest of random items.
** The Golden Bouncer takes five Golden Plates in exchange for a chest of random items.
** Three NPCs around the world take 350 Notes in exchange for......... a chest of random items.
* RisingWaterRisingTension: Happening to the entire world. Slowly but surely, all falls into the Depths.


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* PlanetHeck: The third layer of the Depths is said to be this.


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* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Canor were this before their eventual "domestication" at the hands of the Adret.
* RandomLootExchanger:
** Jeremiah takes Deep Gems in exchange for a chest of random items.
** The Golden Bouncer takes five Golden Plates in exchange for a chest of random items.
** Three [=NPCs=] around the world take 350 Notes in exchange for......... a chest of random items.


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* RisingWaterRisingTension: Happening to the entire world. Slowly but surely, all falls into the Depths.
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* Permadeath: Once you die in the Depths, it's completely over for you. You're sent to the Fragments of Self and have to make a new character.

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* Permadeath: {{Permadeath}}: Once you die in the Depths, it's completely over for you. You're sent to the Fragments of Self and have to make a new character.



* PortalNetwok: Using Stardust, Linkstriders can teleport between various meteors.

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* PortalNetwok: PortalNetwork: Using Stardust, Linkstriders can teleport between various meteors.
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* AnimeHair: The coloring of the hair one can wear is already strange, but the sheer amount of possible hairstyles, as they are all taken from the Roblox catalogue, can pretty much include anything, even Yakult bottles that cover the entire body, Moai statues that do the same and the head of [[/Franchise/FiveNightsAtFreddys Frederick von Fazbearington]] are on the table if you can find someone who uploaded it.

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* AnimeHair: The coloring of the hair one can wear is already strange, but the sheer amount of possible hairstyles, as they are all taken from the Roblox catalogue, can pretty much include anything, even Yakult bottles that cover the entire body, Moai statues that do the same and the head of [[/Franchise/FiveNightsAtFreddys [[Franchise/FiveNightsAtFreddys Frederick von Fazbearington]] are on the table if you can find someone who uploaded it.

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* AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs: Fort Merit was originally an Etrean prison, before being easily stormed by the Authority during their first invasion, the dawn of the end for the once mighty country.



*AnimeHair: The coloring of the hair one can wear is already strange, but the sheer amount of possible hairstyles, as they are all taken from the Roblox catalogue, can pretty much include anything, even Yakult bottles that cover the entire body, Moai statues that do the same and the head of [[/Franchise/FiveNightsAtFreddys Frederick von Fazbearington]] are on the table if you can find someone who uploaded it.



* AntiHoarding: Their is a cap on the amount of weight a player can carry. Most equipment pieces have at least two weight, so around 100 can be carried

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* AntiHoarding: Their is a cap on the amount of weight a player can carry. Most equipment pieces have at least two weight, so around 100 can be carried carried.
* AprilFoolsDay:
** The Mudwoken event had a horde of Mudskippers take over Deepwoken and its companion Discord server, turning all players and most [=NPCs=] into Mudskippers.
** The Coral Fever epidemic had the mighty Destroyman III free himself from yet another prison for tax evasion, before spreading a disease to his kind that allowed him to infect their prey, annoying them with bad advise and adverts.


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* {{Cap}}:
** Their is a limit to the amount of damage multipliers one can stack.
** All stats initially cap at level 75, but can be unbounded to reach level 100.
** There is an inventory cap that can be increased by increasing one's Strength and getting certain Talents and Boons.
** The amount of Notes one can hold is limited to 15k.


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* CharacterCustomization: The character creation menu allows you to choose from preset options to create your character's appearance, and Barbers in the overworld allow further changes to hairstyles.


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* EveryoneWentToSchoolTogether: Akira, Klaris and Chaser all went to Markor Citadel, and were considered their best graduates.


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* FallingDamage: Falling from heights can cause damage to you, and falling from a high enough height will skip the Knocked stage all together and instantly kill you.


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* Permadeath: Once you die in the Depths, it's completely over for you. You're sent to the Fragments of Self and have to make a new character.


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* SelfDeprecation: Destroyman III often insults the game and its developers.


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* TutorialFailure: The Tutorial is universally agreed to be rather bare bones, not explaining mechanics like Venting, Feinting, dodge cancelling, perfect casting and more.
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* SlidingScaleOfGameplayAndStoryIntegration: The game is absolutely all over the place with this one.
** Segregation:
*** Brutus is shown sitting in his cell with no bars on it. There's meant to be bars there, as otherwise he could just walk out, but since the developers forgot and it would force players to take the more hidden intended route, it's been left open for three years.
*** Resonances are meant to be unique and based on the soul and personality of their wielder, but the ones obtained in the game are part of a very limited random selection.
** Integration:
*** Guns are just as powerful as any weapon, depending on which balance patch you're on, as they were reproduced using schematics from the cities of AdvancedAncientHumans, thus are far less powerful than they were in their prime.
*** We cannot travel to other luminants because travel is controlled by Lightkeepers, and the one in the East refuses to allow it, as it would aid the Authority who kidnapped her as a child.
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* ComboBreaker: Vents allow players with enough tempo to break themselves out of a combo, with certain talents adding additional effects to them. The only way to prevent them is to drain their tempo or have Collapsed Lung, which prevents them from venting if they're block broken, with the duration depending on the Strength stat[[note]]Which means if you use Shrine of Order to change your stats around, the duration which they cannot vent are reduced[[/note]].

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* AllDesertsHaveCacti: Aratel island is littered with cacti-like plants, despite it being based on the Middle East rather than America and it not actually being a natural desert, as the ecological changes were forcefully brought about.



* BackStab: It's possible to sneak up on humanoid enemies and assassinate them, ragdolling them in the process. Certain talents increase the assassination damage and distance which you can assassinate them, but doing this on players will only deal miniscule damage but leaves them open to combos.

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* BackStab: It's possible to sneak up on humanoid enemies and assassinate them, ragdolling them in the process. by shoving your weapon into their chest. Certain talents increase the assassination damage and distance which you can assassinate them, but doing this on players will only deal miniscule damage but leaves them open to combos.a maximum of 15% damage.



* BraggingRightsReward: The Dawnwalker Oath is the most powerful Oath in the game, with the only requirements that you need 30 Kyrsan Medallions to access it and 60 more to get the rest of the Mantras and Talents. However, the only reliable ways to get them is to go down to New Kyrsa and defeat the boss and escape without dying, meaning by the time you get out assuming you have the required amount of Kyrsan Medallions, you've pretty much cleared the entire game as of March 01, 2023, and the only reason to progress this Oath is to use it in Chime of Conflict or PVP.

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* BraggingRightsReward: The Dawnwalker Oath is the most a decently powerful Oath in the game, Oath, with the only requirements that you need 30 Kyrsan Medallions to access it and 60 more to get the rest of the Mantras and Talents. However, the only reliable ways to get them is to go down to New Kyrsa and defeat the boss and escape without dying, meaning by the time you get out assuming you have the required amount of Kyrsan Medallions, you've pretty much cleared the entire game as of March 01, 2023, and the only reason to progress this Oath is to use it in Chime of Conflict or PVP.PvP.



* TheComputerIsACheatingBastard: [=NPCs=] have no limit to the amount of ether they can expend or ammo they can use, allowing some of them, especially Songseekers, to perform especially disgusting combos ad nauseum.



* CrapsackWorld: With the Tides drawing ever closer, there is only a very small amount of landmass remaining, the only way to travel between continents without the approval of a fascist regime is to travel through an EldritchLocation spanning miles, most areas are at war and predatory monsters roam free. This isn't mentioning the EldritchOceanAbyss that is The Depths.
* CreepyCathedral: The Derelict Highchurch and the terrible secrets it holds.



* DiscOneNuke: Fishing can rarely get you some valuable loot, but most dammingly, you can get some Master Outfit Schematics before you're supposed to even have them or even a high-end weapon such as the Hero Blades. The only restricting factor is that you still need to grind your stats to even equip them.

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* DiscOneNuke: Fishing can rarely get you some valuable loot, but most dammingly, damningly, you can get some Master Outfit Schematics before you're supposed to even have them or even a high-end weapon such as the Hero Blades. The only restricting factor is that you still need to grind your stats to even equip them.them.
* DoubleEdgedBuff: Flame Within allows one to increase their speed and damage output [[DamageOverTime while slowly burning]].



* DualWielding: The Curved Blade of Winds and Flareblood Kamas can both be dual-wielded.



* GiantEnemyCrab: The Crustaceous Rex are massive crabs that enjoy crushing ribcages.
* GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere: Primadon is just sorta.... there. There nothing alluding to him or his island, nor the mechanics to summon him. He's just there, and a really out of the way there too.
--> '''Arch_Mage''': "Sometimes a big blue ape just comes out the sea and starts hittin shit."
* GhostShip: The Beloved Zofia is a giant ghost ship in the Voidsea, home to the Dreadstar, a vengeful spirit that despises the Attunement users.
* Golem: Both Duke Erisia and the Hive employ these creations in large, almost excessive, amounts.



* GunsAreWorthless: While they can and are used as a powerful weapon, they can't mow down large hordes with efficiency and most people can take several shots to the stomach before falling down, and even then they can recover relatively quickly given the time. Lampshaded by the guns being reverse engineered from lost old blueprints, thus being far from their original efficient design, to the point of bullets being square cubes.

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* GunsAreWorthless: While they can and are used as a powerful weapon, they can't mow down large hordes with efficiency and most people can take several shots to the stomach before falling down, and even then they can recover relatively quickly given the time. Lampshaded Justified and lampshaded by the guns being reverse engineered from lost old blueprints, thus being far from their original efficient design, to the point of bullets being square cubes.cubes.
* GunsAkimbo: Players can dual wield guns, though they can only fire them in a cycle, and not both at the same time.



* HitboxDissonance: Par for the course for Roblox games, whether it be the actual hitboxes or the platform's general Jank, if you're expecting them to be accurate you're expecting too much.



* TheHunterBecomesTheHunted: Voidwalker can hunt anyone, including each other. Expect to be fighting your supposed allies more than your actual targets if you take the Origin.



* InstantExpert: The player, as long as they meet the requirements, can use any weapon they pick up and its associated abilities with ease.



* ManaMeter: Two handy meters show one's current ether and tempo.
* MeleeATrois: Many random events are conflicts and skirmishes between two warring factions, which players can join in and decimate both sides for the loot and EXP.



* MiniBoss: The Bone Keeper that spawns on the bridge in the Eternal Gale is the first possible encounter with this enemy and a sign of what's to come.



** The Mushroom Costumes are SCROOM ROGUE LINEAGE.



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: In a bid to be free from their horrible conditions and the tyranny of their masters, Songworkers across the globe rose up to fight for their freedom, to varying degrees of success. Only such sudden mass usage of Song lead to the Drowned Gods rolling over in their sleep, dooming the world to a long drown out death via drowning.
* NonMaliciousMonster: Marcus is a Rock Golem who has settled down and gives out life advice while drinking coffee.



* PlanetHeck: The third layer of the Depths is said to be this.
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Canor were this before their eventual "domestication" at the hands of the Adret.
* RandomLootExchanger:
** Jeremiah takes Deep Gems in exchange for a chest of random items.
** The Golden Bouncer takes five Golden Plates in exchange for a chest of random items.
** Three NPCs around the world take 350 Notes in exchange for......... a chest of random items.
* RisingWaterRisingTension: Happening to the entire world. Slowly but surely, all falls into the Depths.



* OneHandedZweihander: Any heavy weapon can be held in one hand as long as you have the One Handed Training Talent.



** While anything goes in PVP, in PVE, Heavy Weapons is by far the best stat. This is because Heavy Weapons have massive DPS output which is incredibly useful for dealing with monsters, since almost all of the fights involving them devolve into attacking before they kill you.

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** While anything goes in PVP, PvP, in PVE, PvE, Heavy Weapons is by far the best stat. This is because Heavy Weapons have massive DPS output which is incredibly useful for dealing with monsters, since almost all of the fights involving them devolve into attacking before they kill you.



* PortalNetwok: Using Stardust, Linkstriders can teleport between various meteors.



* RecurringRiff: To Sleep, Dreaming features in most tunes to some extent.
* ReligionOfEvil:
** The Starkindred Church torture the very celestials they worship, mutilating them for their blood and drinking it for power and knowledge. Anyone who picks up on their leader, Samael, being generally insane and try to escape will find themselves being hunted by eager new prospects for the next one to obtain the power of a Starkindred.
** The Ministry worship the Drowned Gods, hungering for their calamitous power, and thus will do anything to ascend their leaders to godhood. They also war against the followers of the celestials on their behalf, hunting down and cleansing any member of the Children of Navae they can find, much to the latter's confusion.
* ResurrectiveImmortality: Downplayed. Anyone strong enough to escape the Depths will be return to the surface, and those who can do it consistently are effectively immortal. However, most are too weak to even go a mile without being brutally killed down there, and the challenges faced scale with one's strength. Aging will also prove to be a problem, meaning anyone able to consistently get out the Depths is probably someone immortal anyway.



* ScunthorpeProblem: As with all Roblox games, the chat is subject to a filter, with varying levels of success. This can lead to it banning people for saying "mb all" to remove combat tags from allies.



* SetAMookToKillAMook: Most [=NPCs=] have at least one faction they are hostile too, and all [=NPCs=] are hostile to monsters, allowing for one to pit them against each other.



* StanceSystem: Pressing Y allows one to switch between holding a weapon with one or two hands.



* TheComputerIsACheatingBastard: The databank of Mantras the NPCs use are seemingly separate from those used by the players. As a result, with a few exceptions, all of them use them as they were when first implemented into the game, ignoring any balance changes, reworks or adjustments to them that made them fair.
* VideoGameCrueltyPunishment: Aside from every NPC hunting you doing from a faction if you have low reputation with them, they'll also deny you services in their controlled areas and offer bounties for them, meaning that unless you're skilled at PVP, you will likely get ganked by other players and as such, it is heavily advised to raise your reputation with them to prevent such situations.

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* TheComputerIsACheatingBastard: The databank of Mantras the NPCs use are seemingly separate from those used by the players. As a result, with a few exceptions, all of them use them as they were when first implemented into the game, ignoring any balance changes, reworks or adjustments to them that made them fair.
* VideoGameCrueltyPunishment: Aside from every NPC hunting you doing from a faction if you have low reputation with them, they'll also deny you services in their controlled areas and offer bounties for them, meaning that unless you're skilled at PVP, PvP, you will likely get ganked by other players and as such, it is heavily advised to raise your reputation with them to prevent such situations.situations.
* WelcomeToCorneria: Most [=NPCs=] have looping lines, even when they really really shouldn't. Especially egregious, in the case of Atra, who after having spoken to Gaius and reporting the death of a close friend, cheerfully continually asks if you have indeed spoken to Gaius.



* WhamShot: In New Kyrsa, you can find [=NPCs=] who are stuck in there. However, going around a certain area will cause players, especially the ones that started with an Castaway Origin, to be quite shocked — [[spoiler:they can find Orlandeau who is surprisingly intact and alive!]]

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* WhamShot: WeirdSun: The sun is a rather weird shape and has as of yet unexplored ties to the celestials.
* WhamShot:
** Opening the hidden door in the already hidden library of the Starkindred church to see a [[spoiler:horrifically mutilated celestial in a pool of its own blood, still alive, but barely.]]
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* AnachronismStew: A world that has yet to devise firearms more efficient than matchlock rifles using square bullets or fully harness the potential of electricity despite having people who can generate and manipulate it at will have somehow built reactors and [[Franchise/Gundam bionic Gundams]].

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* AnachronismStew: A world that has yet to devise firearms more efficient than matchlock rifles using square bullets or fully harness the potential of electricity despite having people who can generate and manipulate it at will have somehow built reactors and [[Franchise/Gundam [[{{Franchise/Gundam}} bionic Gundams]].
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* AdamSmithHatesYourGuts: The cost for expanding Item Banks and Guild Bases are incredibly hefty. The latter can cost up to two million Notes.
* AerithAndBob: There are people with fairly average names, like Arthur, Frank and Jim, and then you have people named Rabanastre and Klaris Llfiend. The players have it even worse: Padparadscha is a name, but not Sam.
* AlertnessBlink: An exclamation mark will appear on enemies if they spot you, or if you attack them.


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* AnachronismStew: A world that has yet to devise firearms more efficient than matchlock rifles using square bullets or fully harness the potential of electricity despite having people who can generate and manipulate it at will have somehow built reactors and [[Franchise/Gundam bionic Gundams]].


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* AntiHoarding: Their is a cap on the amount of weight a player can carry. Most equipment pieces have at least two weight, so around 100 can be carried
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* CataclysmBackstory: At the end of the Canticlysm, over-usage of the Song caused the [[EldritchAbomination Drowned Gods]] to partially awaken from their slumber, resulting in the Tides drowning most of the Old World and the Voidsea drawing closer to the Luminants.
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** You automatically regain a life in the overworld when your Power increases, unlike Monad Studios' previous game ''Rogue Lineage''.

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** You automatically regain a life in the overworld when your Power increases, unlike Monad Studios' previous game ''Rogue Lineage''.''VideoGame/RogueLineage''.



* DamnYouMuscleMemory: Much like ''Rogue Lineage'', resetting doesn't kill your character, it merely respawns you at your boat, Guild Base or the inn you stayed at. This is important when you get stuck in a place.

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* DamnYouMuscleMemory: Much like ''Rogue Lineage'', ''VideoGame/RogueLineage'', resetting doesn't kill your character, it merely respawns you at your boat, Guild Base or the inn you stayed at. This is important when you get stuck in a place.



* MythologyGag: There are few references to Monad Studios' previous game ''Rogue Lineage'':

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* LethalJokeItem: Rocks. Technically used for certain outfits in crafting, all it does it merely take up some space... Though it can be thrown at enemies. And yes, it also combat tags players (which includes yourself). This is especially useful when your ranged Mantras are in cooldown and/or you don't have enough ether.
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** For a while, the Big Alchemist's Hat could hide certain parts of various animations of Light Weapon users. This meant that more Light Weapon users used it more than actual alchemist builds, and for this reason, the size of it was reduced to still make it look bigger than the normal Alchemist's Hat, but still small enough so that the animation for various Light Weapon users could not be hidden.
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* NintendoHard: While easier compared to ''Rogue Lineage'', make no mistake- it still retains the brutal difficulty curve, and wiping is still a present threat throughout the game.
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** Wraith Path: Twisted Puppets. Not only does it imbue your Flamecharm with Shadowcast which is signified by your flames turning black, but it also makes your burn drain your enemies' ether and spawn shadow puppets in the process, makes Flame Within do less self-damage, and makes Shadowcast mantras inflict burn as well. The catch? If you ignore the fact that the puppets are slow but can be absorbed for Emperor Flame stacks, which only speed up if you have the Explosive Rage talent, said talent also heavily reduces burn damage and locks you out of Azure Flames and Lava Serpent. While burn damage being reduced is somewhat passable, there's also the problem of trying to consistently applying burn damage, since any experienced player could simply roll out of the damage, and thus extinguish the flames and preventing their ether from dropping further. Making matters worse is the normal Flamecharm and Lava Serpent paths have at least Advanced Talents that make them worth pursuing; on the other hand, Twisted Puppets and Shadowcast, as of December 15, 2023, have no Advanced Talents. This makes them extremely niche at best and [[MasterOfNone inconsistent at worst]]: Base Flamecharm, in addition to fire damage and Emperor Flame explosions, can take Azure Flames to increase their overall damage, while Lava Serpent can inflict even bigger explosions and leave behind trails of lava with The Floor is Lava, and base Shadowcast is already capable of draining ether instantly rather than over time.

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