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** Batman saves the man who would become his arch nemesis from falling to his death, despite seeing what a completely crazy lunatic he is. This experience causes the Joker to develop an obsession with the Dark Knight, and gives him a reason to live beyond causing random mayhem like he'd been doing.
2nd Jun '17 11:07:12 PM Octorok103
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** Batman himself acts like a {{Jerkass}} numerous times in the story, particulary to Alfred who just wants him to be safe, but he correctly points out that ignoring all the assassins would just make them use civilians as hostages to lure him out. Adding to that, Alfred urges him to work with Gordon numerous times in the story, but Batman tells him even if he wanted to, Gordon certainly wouldn't, which he is also right about. It's only after [[spoiler:Firefly's defeat where Batman and Gordon come even close to being civil with each other]].

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** Batman himself acts like a {{Jerkass}} numerous times in the story, particulary particularly to Alfred who just wants him to be safe, but he correctly points out that ignoring all the assassins would just make them use civilians as hostages to lure him out. Adding to that, Alfred urges him to work with Gordon numerous times in the story, but Batman tells him even if he wanted to, Gordon certainly wouldn't, which he is also right about. It's only after [[spoiler:Firefly's defeat where that Batman and Gordon come even close to being civil with each other]].other, and things are still pretty shaky. They very nearly become enemies for good when it appears that Batman has killed Bane, and even once everything's finally over, Gordon still wants to arrest Batman]].
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* AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent: [[spoiler:For part of the game, you play as the Joker. And not just any point of the Joker: the Red Hood one from ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke''.]]

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* AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent: [[spoiler:For part of the game, For a small flashback scene, you play as the Joker. And not just any point of the Joker: the Red Hood one from ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke''.]]



* AscendedExtra: Black Mask plays a prominent role in this game, despite the miniscule cameos that he makes in the Rocksteady games.
** Deathstroke had formerly made an appearance in ''Arkham City: Lockdown'', but only as a single and very short boss fight. His appearance here gives him much more plot relevance. [[spoiler:Including TheStinger where he's implied to take Amanda Waller's offer to join the Suicide Squad]].

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* AscendedExtra: AscendedExtra:
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Black Mask plays a prominent role in this game, despite the miniscule cameos that he makes in the Rocksteady games.
** Deathstroke had formerly made an appearance in ''Arkham City: Lockdown'', but only as a single and very short boss fight. His appearance here gives him much more plot relevance. [[spoiler:Including Including TheStinger where he's implied to take Amanda Waller's offer to join the Suicide Squad]].Squad.



** Bane's appearance in ''Asylum'' was more SmallRoleBigImpact, and his appearance in ''City'' was far less substantial. Here, he's one of the main villains [[spoiler:who almost succeeds in ''truly'' defeating Batman physically and emotionally, and fights him thrice in one night]].

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** Bane's appearance in ''Asylum'' was more SmallRoleBigImpact, and his appearance in ''City'' was far less substantial. Here, he's one of the main villains [[spoiler:who who almost succeeds in ''truly'' defeating Batman physically and emotionally, and fights him thrice in one night]].night.



** [[spoiler:Firefly's own men openly admit they can't trust a psychopath like him, and worry that they won't be able to get clear of the bombs before he just decides to destroy the bridge for fun. As one goon mentions to Branden, the only way they know he hasn't already is because the explosive caches are large enough to be heard across town]].
** Bane treats his followers much better than the other villains, but he [[spoiler:also uses them in his experiments in making a new form of Venom, and his guinea pigs are implied to have all died in certain ways.]] However, Bane's followers do say that laying down their lives for Bane's cause is an honor. So, that might lessen his standing.

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** [[spoiler:Firefly's Firefly's own men openly admit they can't trust a psychopath like him, and worry that they won't be able to get clear of the his bombs before he just decides to destroy the bridge blow them up for fun. As one goon mentions to Branden, the only way they know he hasn't already is because the explosive caches are large enough to be heard across town]].town.
** Bane treats his followers much better than the other villains, but he [[spoiler:also also uses them in his experiments in making a new form of Venom, and his guinea pigs are implied to have all died in certain ways.]] ways. However, Bane's followers do say that laying down their lives for Bane's cause is an honor. So, that might lessen his standing.



* BaitAndSwitch: When you follow a mysterious S.O.S. signal, [[spoiler:at first it appears you're going up against crooked cops. Then the police helicopter is shot down, beginning the mission against Deadshot]].
* BatmanColdOpen: The main menu.

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* BaitAndSwitch: When you follow a mysterious S.O.S. signal, [[spoiler:at first it appears you're going up against crooked cops. Then the police helicopter is shot down, beginning the mission against Deadshot]].
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%%* BatmanColdOpen: The main menu.



* BigBadDuumvirate: [[spoiler:A very unusual example, in that the Joker and Bane appear at first to be a case of NonActionBigBad and DragonInChief, but it becomes clear through dialogue and audio recordings that Bane's agenda is entirely unrelated to Joker's, and his actions are [[TheStarscream very much his own]].]]

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* BigBadDuumvirate: BigBadEnsemble: [[spoiler:A very unusual example, in that the Joker and Bane appear at first to be a case of NonActionBigBad and DragonInChief, but it becomes clear through dialogue and audio recordings that Bane's agenda is entirely unrelated to Joker's, and his actions are [[TheStarscream very much his own]].]]



* CanonDiscontinuity: Harleen Quinzel's first meeting with Joker contradicts the story portrayed by her tapes in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum''. (To be more precise, the meeting takes place at Blackgate rather than Arkham, and she, for the most part, lacks the more pronounced "Harley" voice which she had in those tapes - however, this version is actually more in line with [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries the original scene]].)

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* CanonDiscontinuity: CanonDiscontinuity:
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Harleen Quinzel's first meeting with Joker contradicts the story portrayed by her tapes in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum''. (To be more precise, the meeting takes place at Blackgate rather than Arkham, and she, for the most part, lacks the more pronounced "Harley" voice which she had in those tapes - however, this version is actually more in line with [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries the original scene]].)



* TheCoverChangesTheMeaning: Apparently, the Joker's version of Music/HankWilliams' "Cold, Cold Heart" (performed by Creator/TroyBaker) has turned a brokenhearted love ballad into a crazy ObsessionSong. Many of the words are changed slightly: [[spoiler:"Another ''love'' before my time made your heart sad and blue / And so ''my heart is paying now'' for ''things'' I didn't do" in the original becomes "Another ''crime'' before my time made your heart sad and blue / And so ''now you make me pay'' for things I didn't do"; and "The more I learn to care for you the more we drift apart" becomes "You won't admit that [[NotSoDifferent we're the same]], and [[Film/TheRoom it's tearing me apart]]!" The entire third verse is changed from the original so it now reads like this:]]
-->[[spoiler:You'll never know how much it hurts\\

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* TheCoverChangesTheMeaning: Apparently, the Joker's version of Music/HankWilliams' "Cold, Cold Heart" (performed by Creator/TroyBaker) has turned a brokenhearted love ballad into a crazy ObsessionSong. Many of the words are changed slightly: [[spoiler:"Another "Another ''love'' before my time made your heart sad and blue / And so ''my heart is paying now'' for ''things'' I didn't do" in the original becomes "Another ''crime'' before my time made your heart sad and blue / And so ''now you make me pay'' for things I didn't do"; and "The more I learn to care for you the more we drift apart" becomes "You won't admit that [[NotSoDifferent we're the same]], and [[Film/TheRoom it's tearing me apart]]!" The entire third verse is changed from the original so it now reads like this:]]
-->[[spoiler:You'll
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-->You'll
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And melt your cold, cold heart?]]

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And melt your cold, cold heart?]]heart?



* CurbStompBattle: The fight with [[spoiler:Electrocutioner]].

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* %%* CurbStompBattle: The fight with [[spoiler:Electrocutioner]].



* DarkerAndEdgier: The setting in general, since it's before the supervillains arrived; there are no themed henchmen, morality in general is skewed, and there are a lot of on screen deaths. The Joker in this incarnation is primarily this before he established his long-running obsession with Batman. As such, he's portrayed less as an ActuallyPrettyFunny, if still evil prankster, and more as a completely AxCrazy MoodSwinger who could murder someone for saying even one word wrong, along with SuddenlyShouting tendencies. When we first meet him, he introduces himself by giving someone a brutal beating, and we get to see the creepy-as-fuck effects of his laughing gas.
** Actually subverted atmosphere wise. The lighting in this game is so bright and so frequent that the battles are mostly actually pretty hard, because you don't see the counter icon over enemy head so easily. The games really get brighter and brighter, with Asylum being dark horror [[CaptainObvious asylum]], City kinda bordering on steampunk prison with all the nifty supernatural things like Solomon Grundy and Wonder City, and lastly Origins. Arkham Knight slides back to the Asylum feel.

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* DarkerAndEdgier: The setting in general, since it's before the supervillains arrived; there are no themed henchmen, morality in general is skewed, and there are a lot of on screen deaths. The Joker in this incarnation is primarily this before he established his long-running obsession with Batman. As such, he's portrayed less as an ActuallyPrettyFunny, if still evil prankster, and more as a completely AxCrazy MoodSwinger who could murder someone for saying even one word wrong, along with SuddenlyShouting tendencies. When we first meet him, he introduces himself by giving someone a brutal beating, and we get to see the creepy-as-fuck effects of his laughing gas.
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gas. Actually subverted averted atmosphere wise. The lighting in this game is so bright and so frequent that the battles are mostly actually pretty hard, because you don't see the counter icon over enemy head so easily. The games really get brighter and brighter, with Asylum being dark horror [[CaptainObvious asylum]], City kinda bordering on steampunk prison with all the nifty supernatural things like Solomon Grundy and Wonder City, and lastly Origins. Arkham Knight slides back to the Asylum feel.



* DoubleEntendre: Black Mask's "And the night is young..." comment at the end of the first trailer can be taken one of two ways:

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* DoubleEntendre: DoubleEntendre:
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Black Mask's "And the night is young..." comment at the end of the first trailer can be taken one of two ways:



* TheDragon: During a side mission, the player hunts down Bane's lieutenant, Bird.
* DragonInChief: [[spoiler:While the Joker is still unpredictable, dangerous, and establishes himself well as Batman's ArchEnemy, it's pretty clear Bane is the most dangerous assassin of the night and Joker knows it. Bane also has his own agenda and nearly crushes Batman both physically and emotionally. Lastly, it's telling that the true FinalBoss is Bane, beating Joker at the end is a series of {{Action Command}}s]].



** Only four of the assassins (Copperhead, Deathstroke, Deadshot, and the Electrocutioner) actually care about the bounty. Firefly just wants to burn things; Croc doesn't even care about the bounty, he just wants to kill Batman, which quickly escalates into trying to eat Batman; and Bane states his desire to defeat Batman so he can finally be at peace. Only Shiva breaks the mold, being present simply to test whether Batman has what it takes to join her master, [[spoiler:implied to be Ra's al Ghul]].

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** Only four of the assassins (Copperhead, Deathstroke, Deadshot, and the Electrocutioner) actually care about the bounty. Firefly just wants to burn things; Croc doesn't even care about the bounty, he just wants to kill Batman, which quickly escalates into trying to eat Batman; and Bane states his desire to defeat Batman so he can finally be at peace. Only Shiva breaks the mold, being present simply to test whether Batman has what it takes to join her master, [[spoiler:implied implied to be Ra's al Ghul]].Ghul.



** It extends to the previews as well. [[spoiler:Batman and Joker's [[Creator/RogerCraigSmith voice]] [[Creator/TroyBaker actors]] did several interviews discussing the relationship between their characters, while [[Creator/BrianBloom Black Mask's voice actor]] was noticeably absent from preview material. A cynical viewer might have chalked up the emphasis on Joker as simple WolverinePublicity, but now we know the real reason.]]

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** It extends to the previews as well. [[spoiler:Batman Batman and Joker's [[Creator/RogerCraigSmith voice]] [[Creator/TroyBaker actors]] did several interviews discussing the relationship between their characters, while [[Creator/BrianBloom Black Mask's voice actor]] was noticeably absent from preview material. A cynical viewer might have chalked up the emphasis on Joker as simple WolverinePublicity, but now we know the real reason.]]



** A strange, real-life example: if you preordered the Collector's Edition of the game, [[spoiler:it included a plastic statue of The Joker sitting at a desk in front of a lot of screens. This evident "master planner" look would be a bit out of place for someone who only has a small role in the story, now would it?]]
** When Batman first encounters Electrocutioner on board the ''Final Offer'', he boasts, "I'm-a kill you, then I'm-a jump-start your heart, and kill you again!" Later, while exiting the GCPD [[spoiler:in the aftermath of the riot in the holding cells]], Batman sees one of the medical staff members resuscitate one of the officers with {{Magical Defibrillator}}s. [[spoiler:These events come to help him in flashbacks later as clues, one in resuscitating Alfred, and the other in stopping and then restarting Bane's heart.]]

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** A strange, real-life example: if you preordered the Collector's Edition of the game, [[spoiler:it included a plastic statue of The Joker sitting at a desk in front of a lot of screens. This evident "master planner" look would be a bit out of place for someone who only has a small role in the story, now would it?]]
** When Batman first encounters Electrocutioner on board the ''Final Offer'', he boasts, "I'm-a kill you, then I'm-a jump-start your heart, and kill you again!" Later, while exiting the GCPD [[spoiler:in in the aftermath of the riot in the holding cells]], cells, Batman sees one of the medical staff members resuscitate one of the officers with {{Magical Defibrillator}}s. [[spoiler:These events come to help him in flashbacks later as clues, one in resuscitating Alfred, and the other in stopping and then restarting Bane's heart.]]



** While it doesn't interfere with the main story, the [[spoiler:comms tower in Burnley]] cannot be taken back because Batman is unable to climb into a crucial vent. Now thankfully averted with a patch.

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** While it doesn't interfere with the main story, the [[spoiler:comms comms tower in Burnley]] Burnley cannot be taken back because Batman is unable to climb into a crucial vent. Now thankfully averted with a patch.



* TheGuardsMustBeCrazy: As usual in Batman's predator sequences, enemies are sometimes terminally dim. You can yank a guard off a ledge while he's standing right next to another one and elicit no reaction whatsoever from the mook left standing. [[spoiler:And in the GCPD Bullpen, you can perform an Inverted Takedown on all eight SWAT team cops from just one perch, by stringing one up, changing perches, cutting the rope with a batarang, then going back and waiting for the next target to walk under you.]]

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* TheGuardsMustBeCrazy: As usual in Batman's predator sequences, enemies are sometimes terminally dim. You can yank a guard off a ledge while he's standing right next to another one and elicit no reaction whatsoever from the mook left standing. [[spoiler:And And in the GCPD Bullpen, you can perform an Inverted Takedown on all eight SWAT team cops from just one perch, by stringing one up, changing perches, cutting the rope with a batarang, then going back and waiting for the next target to walk under you.]]



* HaveANiceDeath: As expected for a Batman title, there are various examples featuring the villains appropriate to their areas in the game or the gang who just defeated you. And if you die in the Sionis Steel Mill too early in the game, [[spoiler:you get theJoker, effectively spoiling his impersonation of Roman Sionis.]]

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* HaveANiceDeath: As expected for a Batman title, there are various examples featuring the villains appropriate to their areas in the game or the gang who just defeated you. And if you die in the Sionis Steel Mill too early in the game, [[spoiler:you get theJoker, the Joker, effectively spoiling his impersonation of Roman Sionis.]]



* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: As usual, Batman does this. [[spoiler:Deconstructed, as him following this rule so strictly (to the point of [[SaveTheVillain saving villains]]) is what causes the Joker to become so obsessed with him.]]

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* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: As usual, Batman does this. [[spoiler:Deconstructed, Deconstructed, as him following this rule so strictly (to the point of [[SaveTheVillain saving villains]]) is what causes the Joker to become so obsessed with him.]]



* InterfaceScrew: When there are jammers nearby, your Detective Vision goes haywire and Cryptographic Scanners don't work. In [[spoiler:Mad Hatter's world]], Detective Vision doesn't work at all.

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* InterfaceScrew: When there are jammers nearby, your Detective Vision goes haywire and Cryptographic Scanners don't work. In [[spoiler:Mad Mad Hatter's world]], world, Detective Vision doesn't work at all.



* ItsPersonal: [[spoiler:One of the crime scene investigations is a two-fer: the victims were friends of Bruce's, ''and'' it happened in Crime Alley, just a few feet from where Thomas and Martha Wayne were gunned down. Needless to say, when Batman tracks down the murderer, he's not in a very good mood.]]

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* ItsPersonal: [[spoiler:One ItsPersonal:
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of the crime scene investigations is a two-fer: the victims were friends of Bruce's, ''and'' it happened in Crime Alley, just a few feet from where Thomas and Martha Wayne were gunned down. Needless to say, when Batman tracks down the murderer, he's not in a very good mood.]]



* KickTheDog[=/=]BadBoss[=/=]YouHaveFailedMe: In the trailer, Black Mask bashes the head of one of his own wounded thugs in when he asks for medical help. [[spoiler:Except it's not actually Black Mask, but rather the Joker. Black Mask is implied to be nicer to his mooks.]]

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* KickTheDog[=/=]BadBoss[=/=]YouHaveFailedMe: KickTheDog: In the trailer, Black Mask bashes the head of one of his own wounded thugs in when he asks for medical help. [[spoiler:Except it's not actually Black Mask, but rather the Joker. Black Mask is implied to be nicer to his mooks.]]



* MeaningfulEcho: At the start of the game, Batman is reluctant to accept help from others, but as the story is progressing, he eventually realizes that he can defend Gotham more efficiently if he cooperates with others.[[spoiler:At the end of the main story, Batman defeats The Joker and Gordon can finally arrest him. When Gordon contacts the GCPD, they ask him how he pulled it off. His response? "I had some help."]]

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* MeaningfulEcho: At the start of the game, Batman is reluctant to accept help from others, but as the story is progressing, he eventually realizes that he can defend Gotham more efficiently if he cooperates with others. [[spoiler:At the end of the main story, Batman defeats The Joker and Gordon can finally arrest him. When Gordon contacts the GCPD, they ask him how he pulled it off. His response? "I had some help."]]



** In TheStinger, [[spoiler:Amanda Waller shows up to recruit Deathstroke to work for her, implied to be for the ComicBook/SuicideSquad]].
** Joker's entire arc: [[spoiler:He robs a mob bank wearing a mask, then escapes on a vehicle that has driven through the wall, but not before [[DramaticUnmask dramatically unmasking]]. Then he starts a campaign to kill Batman, until he witnesses Batman's unwillingness to take a life, which makes him obsessed with the Dark Knight. Joker is captured halfway through, but he escapes again. During the finale, he presents Batman with a SadisticChoice intending to make him break his one rule. [[Film/TheDarkKnight Yeah, that sounds very familiar.]]]]

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** In TheStinger, [[spoiler:Amanda Amanda Waller shows up to recruit Deathstroke to work for her, implied to be for the ComicBook/SuicideSquad]].
ComicBook/SuicideSquad.
** Joker's entire arc: arc is reminiscent of ''Film/TheDarkKnight'': [[spoiler:He robs a mob bank wearing a mask, then escapes on a vehicle that has driven through the wall, but not before [[DramaticUnmask dramatically unmasking]]. Then he starts a campaign to kill Batman, until he witnesses Batman's unwillingness to take a life, which makes him obsessed with the Dark Knight. Joker is captured halfway through, but he escapes again. During the finale, he presents Batman with a SadisticChoice intending to make him break his one rule. [[Film/TheDarkKnight Yeah, that sounds very familiar.]]]]]]



** Alberto Falcone's profile mentions he's got psychological disorders. A callback to ''ComicBook/TheLongHalloween'' where he's [[spoiler:one of]] the serial killer[[spoiler:s... [[IJustWantToBeSpecial possibly]]]]. The reference is well placed as in the Comic, Alberto's string of murders are the events that eventually lead to the eventual rise of super criminals in Gotham.

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** Alberto Falcone's profile mentions he's got psychological disorders. A callback to ''ComicBook/TheLongHalloween'' where he's [[spoiler:one of]] the serial killer[[spoiler:s... [[IJustWantToBeSpecial possibly]]]].killer. The reference is well placed as in the Comic, Alberto's string of murders are the events that eventually lead to the eventual rise of super criminals in Gotham.



** In the Batcave, an abnormally large bat, dubbed the "King Bat" by Alfred has taken up residence. Whilst the name and size does bring to mind Kirk Langstrom aka Man-Bat, the idea of an especially huge bat living in the Batcave is something that was also present in ''Film/BatmanForever''. [[spoiler: Moreover, it's not Langstrom as ''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight Arkham Knight]]'' shows Batman's first encounter with Man-Bat.]]

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** In the Batcave, an abnormally large bat, dubbed the "King Bat" by Alfred has taken up residence. Whilst the name and size does bring to mind Kirk Langstrom aka Man-Bat, the idea of an especially huge bat living in the Batcave is something that was also present in ''Film/BatmanForever''. [[spoiler: Moreover, it's not Langstrom as ''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight Arkham Knight]]'' shows Batman's first encounter with Man-Bat.]]



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: One of Enigma’s blackmail tapes contains a record of Quincy Sharp agreeing to cooperate with Ra’s-Al-Ghul. If Batman had simply allowed the information to go public (as Enigma intended), [Sharp would have been exposed and disgraced, and Ra’s would have been unable to use him as a pawn. Yet Batman couldn’t leave well enough alone, and several years later, [[spoiler:Ra’s has successfully manipulated Sharp into making ''Arkham City'' a reality.]]

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: One of Enigma’s blackmail tapes contains a record of Quincy Sharp agreeing to cooperate with Ra’s-Al-Ghul. If Batman had simply allowed the information to go public (as Enigma intended), [Sharp Sharp would have been exposed and disgraced, and Ra’s would have been unable to use him as a pawn. Yet Batman couldn’t leave well enough alone, and several years later, [[spoiler:Ra’s has successfully manipulated Sharp into making ''Arkham City'' a reality.]]



* NoBodyLeftBehind: [[spoiler:While enemies defeated by Batman have bats come out of their unconscious bodies who remain that way until Batman leaves the room, enemies defeated by the Flashback!Joker dissolve into a glowing, purplish-black mass that quickly glows brighter before fading away. Justified, as all of these enemies are merely illusions set up by the Joker's MindScrew.]]

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* NoBodyLeftBehind: [[spoiler:While While enemies defeated by Batman have bats come out of their unconscious bodies who remain that way until Batman leaves the room, enemies defeated by the Flashback!Joker dissolve into a glowing, purplish-black mass that quickly glows brighter before fading away. Justified, as all of these enemies are merely illusions set up by the Joker's MindScrew.]]



* OneDialogueTwoConversations: After Batman captures [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker, his psychiatric session with ComicBook/HarleyQuinn falls squarely into this - she believes he's referring to her, while he's actually talking [[FoeYay about Batman]].]]

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* OneDialogueTwoConversations: After Batman captures [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker, arrests ComicBook/TheJoker, his psychiatric session with ComicBook/HarleyQuinn falls squarely into this - she believes he's referring to her, while he's actually talking [[FoeYay about Batman]].]]Batman.



* OohMeAccentsSlipping / ShockingVoiceIdentityReveal: "''CAN'T... YOU... JUST... '''PLAY ALONG?!'''''"

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* OohMeAccentsSlipping / ShockingVoiceIdentityReveal: %%* OohMeAccentsSlipping: "''CAN'T... YOU... JUST... '''PLAY ALONG?!'''''"



** Killing a creature such as Batman [[AllThereInTheManual being his lifelong goal]], Bane is furious when it appears like Joker will be the one to do it. [[spoiler:It takes the threat of Joker blowing up the entire hotel on a whim to get him to back off.]]

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** Killing a creature such as Batman [[AllThereInTheManual being his lifelong goal]], Bane is furious when it appears like Joker will be the one to do it. [[spoiler:It It takes the threat of Joker blowing up the entire hotel on a whim building they're in to get him to back off.]] off for twenty seconds.



* PointOfNoReturn: Going after [[spoiler:Firefly]] will lock you into the endgame, though you'll get a PlayableEpilogue once you've finished.

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* PointOfNoReturn: Going after [[spoiler:Firefly]] [Firefly will lock you into the endgame, though you'll get a PlayableEpilogue once you've finished.



** In a very early boss fight, you must do this to avoid [[spoiler:Killer Croc's jaws]]. There are also annoying minibosses throughout who will grab and hold you, forcing you to rapid-push a button to escape.

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** In a very early boss fight, you must do this to avoid [[spoiler:Killer Killer Croc's jaws]].jaws. There are also annoying minibosses throughout who will grab and hold you, forcing you to rapid-push a button to escape.



** Branden and his [[DirtyCop squad]] try to [[spoiler:[[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident kill Captain Gordon]]]] by staging one of these in the GCPD Holding Cells. [[ForegoneConclusion You can guess how that one turned out.]]

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** Branden and his [[DirtyCop squad]] try to [[spoiler:[[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident kill Captain Gordon]]]] Gordon]] by staging one of these in the GCPD Holding Cells. [[ForegoneConclusion You can guess how that one turned out.]]



* ProtectThisHouse: [[spoiler: Between Bane and Mr. Freeze, Wayne Manor has been broken into ''twice'' in one week.]]
* {{Public Domain|Soundtrack}} SoundtrackDissonance[=/=]StandardSnippet: Joker's more theatrical moments of cruelty are often underscored by classical music typical of cartoons - his "Sleigh Ride" in the Royal Hotel ballroom plays a warped organ version of Julius Fucik's "Entry of the Gladiators", he fussily selects the detonator for one of his bombs to Music/GioachinoRossini's "The Barber of Seville", and [[spoiler:his hallucinatory fight in the comedy club]] has an arranged section of the overture from Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie".

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* ProtectThisHouse: [[spoiler: Between [[spoiler:Between Bane and Mr. Freeze, Wayne Manor has been broken into ''twice'' in one week.]]
* {{Public Domain|Soundtrack}} SoundtrackDissonance[=/=]StandardSnippet: Joker's more theatrical moments of cruelty are often underscored by classical music typical of cartoons - his "Sleigh Ride" in the Royal Hotel ballroom plays a warped organ version of Julius Fucik's "Entry of the Gladiators", he fussily selects the detonator for one of his bombs to Music/GioachinoRossini's "The Barber of Seville", and [[spoiler:his hallucinatory fight in the comedy club]] has an arranged section of the overture from Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie".
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: After Anarky goes down, he starts monologing to Batman. It also careens through about five other tropes along the way.

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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: TheReasonYouSuckSpeech:
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After Anarky goes down, he starts monologing to Batman. It also careens through about five other tropes along the way.



** When tracking down Bane late in the game, [[spoiler:Batman finds a room in his base that has photographs of himself on the walls as Batman... ''[[WhamEpisode and Bruce Wayne]]'']].

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** When tracking down Bane late in the game, [[spoiler:Batman Batman finds a room in his base that has photographs of himself on the walls as Batman... ''[[WhamEpisode [[spoiler:''[[WhamEpisode and Bruce Wayne]]'']].



* SchizoTech: As the Cyrus Pinkney side-quest reveals, there were functioning automobiles in Gotham City as early as ''1855''. [[spoiler:(This innovation might possibly be explained by the introduction of Ra's al-Ghul's new "Lazarus" technology.)]]

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* SchizoTech: As the Cyrus Pinkney side-quest reveals, there were functioning automobiles in Gotham City as early as ''1855''. [[spoiler:(This (This innovation might possibly be explained by the introduction of Ra's al-Ghul's new "Lazarus" technology.)]])



** During the [[spoiler:second]] fight with Bane [[spoiler:during the riots at Blackgate]], Batman can only inflict a certain amount of damage before [[spoiler:Bane picks him up, smashes him over his knee, and begins choking him underfoot. After the cutscene, he starts whaling on Bane once more with the Shock Gloves in an effort to temporarily stop his heart.]]

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** During Beginning of the [[spoiler:second]] last fight with Bane [[spoiler:during the riots at Blackgate]], Bane, Batman can only inflict a certain amount of damage before [[spoiler:Bane picks him up, smashes him over his knee, and begins choking him underfoot. After the cutscene, he starts whaling on Bane once more with the Shock Gloves in an effort to temporarily stop his heart.]]



* ShockingVoiceIdentityReveal: Black Mask tries to introduce Batman to a hostage, only for that hostage ignore the Dark Knight and cure out Black Mask, who starts beating his hostage while speaking in an entirely new voice. [[spoiler:This is when Batman realize the Black Mask he's been hunting isn't the real deal, it's the Joker in disguise.]]



** A case of a ShoutOut, InternalHomage and WordOfGod clarification on series canon all in one: [[spoiler:when The Joker's being psychoanalyzed by Harley in Blackgate, he imagines in his head how he came to be who he is. It's his origin from ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'': being a failed stand-up comedian and taking the deal with the mob to help with the Ace Chemicals robbery, wearing the iconic Red Hood and getting the fateful chemical bath courtesy of Batman.]].

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** A case of a ShoutOut, InternalHomage and WordOfGod clarification on series canon all in one: [[spoiler:when when The Joker's being psychoanalyzed by Harley in Blackgate, he imagines in his head how he came to be who he is. It's his origin from ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'': being a failed stand-up comedian and taking the deal with the mob to help with the Ace Chemicals robbery, wearing the iconic Red Hood and getting the fateful chemical bath courtesy of Batman.]].



* SoundtrackDissonance: Joker's more theatrical moments of cruelty are often underscored by classical music typical of cartoons - his "Sleigh Ride" in the Royal Hotel ballroom plays a warped organ version of Julius Fucik's "Entry of the Gladiators", he fussily selects the detonator for one of his bombs to Music/GioachinoRossini's "The Barber of Seville", and his hallucinatory fight in the comedy club has an arranged section of the overture from Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie".



* TheStinger: [[spoiler:After the credits, Deathstroke is seen being found by Amanda Waller in prison, and given an alternative to prison: working [[ComicBook/SuicideSquad for her]].]]

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* TheStinger: [[spoiler:After After the credits, Deathstroke is seen being found by Amanda Waller in prison, and given an alternative to prison: working [[ComicBook/SuicideSquad for her]].]]



* TakeAThirdOption: Actually, a fourth. During the game's final act, [[spoiler:Joker and Bane offer Batman a SadisticChoice: kill Bane, or allow Bane's heartbeat to charge up an electric chair that Joker is strapped to and fry the Joker. Either way, Batman will end up breaking his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]]. Or Bane kills Batman. Batman finds a way around it by temporarily stopping Bane's heart and then reviving him.]]

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* TakeAThirdOption: Actually, a fourth. During the game's final act, [[spoiler:Joker and Bane offer Batman is offered a SadisticChoice: kill [[spoiler:kill Bane, or allow Bane's heartbeat to charge up an electric chair that Joker is strapped to and fry the Joker. Either way, Batman will end up breaking his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]]. Or Bane kills Batman. Batman finds a way around it by temporarily stopping Bane's heart and then reviving him.]]



** Once Joker realizes that Batman is not only determined to avoid killing, but will even go out of his way to save his enemies' lives, [[spoiler:he cruelly exploits it by rigging up a scenario in which Batman must either abandon his principles and kill, be killed himself, or let the Joker die by refusing to act. See SadisticChoice.]]

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** Once Joker realizes that Batman is not only determined to avoid killing, but will even go out of his way to save his enemies' lives, [[spoiler:he cruelly exploits it by rigging up a scenario in which Batman must either abandon his principles and kill, be killed himself, or let the Joker die by refusing to act. See SadisticChoice.]]



** The Joker [[spoiler:points out how Batman hasn't accomplished much in his war on crime in the past two years, while he has only been in Gotham ''for two weeks'' yet he's [[NiceJobFixingItVillain done more help for Gotham]] by randomly doing his [[ItAmusedMe actions]]. These action include [[PayEvilUntoEvil executing]] [[DirtyCop Commissioner Loeb]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch dethroning Black Mask]], and exposing Blackgate as a CardboardPrison.]] Despite being a psychopath, The Joker is ''entirely correct'' about these particular points.

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** The Joker [[spoiler:points points out how Batman hasn't accomplished much in his war on crime in the past two years, while he has only been in Gotham ''for two weeks'' yet he's [[NiceJobFixingItVillain done more help for Gotham]] by randomly doing his [[ItAmusedMe actions]]. These action include [[PayEvilUntoEvil executing]] [[DirtyCop Commissioner Loeb]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch dethroning Black Mask]], Loeb]] and exposing Blackgate as a CardboardPrison.]] CardboardPrison. Despite being a psychopath, The Joker is ''entirely correct'' about these particular points. [[spoiler:In addition to dethroning Black Mask and replacing him.]]



* WhamLine:
-->'''Bane:''' [[spoiler:I am in your house, Bruce.]]
* WhereItAllBegan: [[spoiler: The game begins and ends at Blackgate Prison.]]

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* %%* WhamLine:
-->'''Bane:''' %%-->'''Bane:''' [[spoiler:I am in your house, Bruce.]]
* WhereItAllBegan: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The game begins and ends at Blackgate Prison.]]



* YouAreNotAlone: This is Bruce's ultimate lesson right before the climax, that ignoring all potential allies and going at it alone is only leaving him with a job so monumental he is destined to fail. And that same attitude means when he actually recognizes Gordon could help him stop Firefly, Gordon isn't listening. Way too many mistakes were made before they started coordinating their efforts, by the end Gordon [[spoiler: with Barbara's encouragement and communication frequency]] is working directly with Batman to help round up escaped Blackgate prisoners.

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* YouAreNotAlone: This is Bruce's ultimate lesson right before the climax, that ignoring all potential allies and going at it alone is only leaving him with a job so monumental he is destined to fail. And that same attitude means when he actually recognizes Gordon could help him stop Firefly, Gordon isn't listening. Way too many mistakes were made before they started coordinating their efforts, by the end Gordon [[spoiler: with (with Barbara's encouragement and communication frequency]] frequency) is working directly with Batman to help round up escaped Blackgate prisoners.



* YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe: The unstated reaction of Batman to [[NeverSmileAtACrocodile Killer Croc]] and [[spoiler:the revelation that Barbara hacked his comms and apologized for it afterwards]], given his tone in the first example and [[SeenItAll lack of response]] in the second one.

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* YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe: The unstated reaction of Batman to [[NeverSmileAtACrocodile Killer Croc]] and [[spoiler:the the revelation that Barbara hacked his comms and apologized for it afterwards]], afterwards, given his tone in the first example and [[SeenItAll lack of response]] in the second one.



** This happens to Commissioner Loeb, when Black Mask [[spoiler: (or rather the Joker)]] decides that the nature of crime is changing, and that he doesn't need his help anymore, when it also includes taking down his men.

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** This happens to Commissioner Loeb, when Black Mask [[spoiler: (or rather the Joker)]] decides that the nature of crime is changing, and that he doesn't need his help anymore, when it also includes taking down his men.
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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:Batman has defeated false Black Mask (the Joker) and his assassins, ingratiated himself with the police, and managed to make Gotham less of a hellhole, but true Black Mask's fall leads to a power vacuum in Gotham's underworld that [[ComicBook/TheJoker a certain clown]] steps in to fill, [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum and we all know how that goes]].]]

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* BittersweetEnding: BittersweetEnding:
**
[[spoiler:Batman has defeated false Black Mask (the Joker) and his assassins, ingratiated himself with the police, and managed to make Gotham less of a hellhole, but true Black Mask's fall leads to a power vacuum in Gotham's underworld that [[ComicBook/TheJoker a certain clown]] steps in to fill, [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum and we all know how that goes]].]]



* BloodstainedGlassWindows: One optional battle [[spoiler:with the real Black Mask]] takes place in a church. [[spoiler:And the final battle with the Joker in a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown takes place in a prison chapel near the execution chamber in Blackgate Prison. Though neither place is stained with blood, there is, however, the fact that the Joker brandishes a literal [[GunsInChurch Gun in the Chapel]] and may not hesitate to bring in a {{Pretty Little Headshot|s}} to kill Batman if he doesn't counter (especially in [[HarderThanHard I Am the Night Mode]]).]]

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* BloodstainedGlassWindows: BloodstainedGlassWindows:
**
One optional battle [[spoiler:with the real with Black Mask]] Mask takes place in the Gotham Cathedral, the same one that Riddler vandalized years later in ''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity Arkham City]]''.
** The final battle
takes place in a church. [[spoiler:And chapel, and the final battle with the Joker in a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown Batman delivers takes place in a prison chapel the fight from the altar, through the pews and right into one of the chapel's stained glass windows.[[spoiler:Right near the execution chamber in Blackgate Prison. Prison, with the Joker. Though neither place is stained with blood, there is, however, the fact that the Joker brandishes a literal [[GunsInChurch Gun in the Chapel]] and may not hesitate to bring in a {{Pretty Little Headshot|s}} to kill Batman if he doesn't counter (especially in [[HarderThanHard I Am the Night Mode]]).counter.]]



* BonusBoss: Lady Shiva and Deadshot, who are encountered during sidequests. Among non-assassin villains, there's Anarky, Mad Hatter, [[spoiler:Black Mask]], and Bird.
* BookEnds: The story begins and ends [[spoiler:at Blackgate Prison]]. And both missions there end with [[spoiler:Gordon having Batman at gunpoint but failing to capture him]]. Series-wise, [[spoiler:this game, which deals with the start of the Batman/Joker feud in the Arkhamverse, ends the same way ''Arkham City'', which saw the literal end of the feud: the Joker singing.]]
* BreadEggsMilkSquick: [[spoiler:After the Joker sees that Bane has apparently died by Batman's hand:]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Joker:''' Well, I'd love to stay and celebrate your victory, but I've got stockings to stuff, [[UnderTheMistletoe mistletoe to hang]] - and about fifteen skyscrapers to blow up before sunrise. Ciao.]]

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* BonusBoss: Lady Shiva and Deadshot, who are encountered during sidequests. Among non-assassin villains, there's Anarky, Mad Hatter, [[spoiler:Black Mask]], Black Mask (after his in-story encounter), and Bird.
* BookEnds: The story begins and ends [[spoiler:at with Blackgate Prison]].Prison. And both missions there end with [[spoiler:Gordon having Batman at gunpoint but failing to capture him]]. Series-wise, [[spoiler:this this game, which deals with the start of the Batman/Joker feud in the Arkhamverse, ends the same way ''Arkham City'', which saw the literal end of the feud: feud before ''Arkham Knight'': the Joker singing.]]
singing.
* BreadEggsMilkSquick: [[spoiler:After the BreadEggsMilkSquick:
**
Joker sees that Bane has apparently died by Batman's hand:]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Joker:'''
loves to spoil the beauty of Christmas with his violence, which he verbally does after seeing Batman defeat an assassin.
--->'''Joker:'''
Well, I'd love to stay and celebrate your victory, but I've got stockings to stuff, [[UnderTheMistletoe mistletoe to hang]] - and about fifteen skyscrapers to blow up before sunrise. Ciao.]]



** "Loose Lips" is first beaten up by Batman, then choked until he passes out, then dropped off a roof by Batman, then captured by the GCPD, then interrogated by Batman ''again'' and threatened to drop him off a roof again, then knocked unconscious. It's just not his night. It becomes a RunningGag in [[spoiler:the "Cold, Cold Heart" DLC when Batman runs into Loose Lips again at the My Alibi club, and the latter pleads not to be thrown off a roof again before the former knocks him unconscious]].

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** "Loose Lips" is first beaten up by Batman, then choked until he passes out, then dropped off a roof by Batman, then captured by the GCPD, then interrogated by Batman ''again'' and threatened to drop him off a roof again, then knocked unconscious. It's just not his night. It becomes a RunningGag in [[spoiler:the the "Cold, Cold Heart" DLC when Batman runs into Loose Lips again at the My Alibi club, and the latter pleads not to be thrown off a roof again before the former knocks him unconscious]].unconscious.



** [[spoiler:In his blustering, Electrocutioner brags that he'll kill Batman, use his gauntlets as a defibrillator to resuscitate him, and then kill him again. Batman ends up using them as a defibrillator to revive Alfred after Bane's attack on the Batcave, and does the entire "stop and restart heart" routine to TakeAThirdOption at the end of the game.]]
** [[spoiler:It's mentioned that the experimental TN-1 can cause memory loss if used too much. Guess what helps keeps Bruce's secret safe after his second go-round with Bane]]
* ClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:Bane]], a far cry from previous encounters in the series.

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** [[spoiler:In In his blustering, Electrocutioner brags that he'll kill Batman, use his gauntlets as a defibrillator to resuscitate him, and then kill him again. Batman [[spoiler:Batman ends up using them as a defibrillator to revive Alfred after Bane's attack on the Batcave, and does the entire "stop and restart heart" routine to TakeAThirdOption at the end of the game.]]
** [[spoiler:It's It's mentioned that the experimental TN-1 can cause memory loss if used too much. Guess [[spoiler:Guess what helps keeps Bruce's secret safe after his second go-round with Bane]]
* ClimaxBoss: ClimaxBoss:
**
[[spoiler:Bane]], a far cry from previous encounters in the series.



* CombatSadomasochist: [[spoiler:The Joker. Especially apparent in the chapel during his and Batman's [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown (very one-sided) fight.]]]]



** [[spoiler:Joker likes stuffing [=TVs=] over people's heads, the same way he did in Arkham Asylum, though this time none of them are him in disguise.]]

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** [[spoiler:Joker Joker likes stuffing [=TVs=] over people's heads, the same way he did in Arkham Asylum, though this time none of them are him in disguise.]]



** Likewise, [[spoiler:the scene in which Flashback!Joker fights his foes in a DanceBattler way is a nod to the Melee Challenge Map fights in the [=PlayStation=] 3-only Joker DLC, while the scene where the pre-Joker Red Hood walks across contorted walkways at the Ace Chemical Plant (and the following hallucination walkway that Batman walks through in the Batcave) is a nod to one of the Scarecrow's MindScrew segments in the main story, all from ''Arkham Asylum''.]]
** TN-1, [[spoiler:a permanent, super-enhanced DeadlyUpgrade version of Venom that deteriorates memory in the process of HulkingOut]], is the formula that is ultimately perfected into Titan, the PsychoSerum enhanced version of Venom created from Bane's blood in ''Asylum'' and continuing to affect the world in ''City''. [[spoiler:It's also the same serum that the Joker poisoned himself with, which took about a year to completely take over his bloodstream and thus ended up killing him at the end of ''City''.]]

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** Likewise, [[spoiler:the the scene in which Flashback!Joker fights his foes in a DanceBattler way is a nod to the Melee Challenge Map fights in the [=PlayStation=] 3-only Joker DLC, while the scene where the pre-Joker Red Hood walks across contorted walkways at the Ace Chemical Plant (and the following hallucination walkway that Batman walks through in the Batcave) is a nod to one of the Scarecrow's MindScrew segments in the main story, all from ''Arkham Asylum''.]]
Asylum''.
** TN-1, [[spoiler:a a permanent, super-enhanced DeadlyUpgrade version of Venom that deteriorates memory in the process of HulkingOut]], HulkingOut, is the formula that is ultimately perfected into Titan, the PsychoSerum enhanced version of Venom created from Bane's blood in ''Asylum'' and continuing to affect the world in ''City''. [[spoiler:It's also the same serum that the Joker poisoned himself with, which took about a year to completely take over his bloodstream and thus ended up killing him at the end of ''City''.]]



* ControlledHelplessness: [[spoiler:Subverted. It initially appears that the fight with Copperhead will take place after Batman recovers from his poisoning, since it's so deadly, akin to the Titan poison segments in ''City''. However, Batman ''does'' fight Copperhead before he can get his antidote, albeit with frequent pauses due to his deteriorating condition.]]
* ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding: Invoked by the Joker. He purposeful [[spoiler:blows up a construction site with (he thinks) no people in it because it was "blocking his view." He does however assure the next building he planed to blow up wan't empty]].

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* ControlledHelplessness: [[spoiler:Subverted.Subverted. It initially appears that the fight with Copperhead will take place after Batman recovers from his poisoning, since it's so deadly, akin to the Titan poison segments in ''City''. However, Batman ''does'' fight Copperhead before he can get his antidote, albeit with frequent pauses due to his deteriorating condition.]]
condition.
* ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding: Invoked by the Joker. He purposeful [[spoiler:blows blows up a construction site with (he thinks) no people in it because it was "blocking his view." He does however assure the next building he planed to blow up wan't empty]].empty.



* DirtyCop: A large number of them are coming after Batman, headed up by ComicBook/{{B|atmanYearOne}}randen, a crooked SWAT official who's managed to broker a deal with Sionis. In addition to ignoring their duties as police to earn the bounty on Batman's head, they abuse and beat innocent homeless men for their own amusement, extort money from street gangs, and gang up and harass lone unarmed criminals; they're so bad that thugs on the street mention joining because it's such a good racket.
** [[spoiler: One of Nigma's extortion tapes mentions that Gordon is literally the only "clean" cop in Gotham.]]

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* DirtyCop: A large number of them are coming after Batman, headed up by ComicBook/{{B|atmanYearOne}}randen, a crooked SWAT official who's managed to broker a deal with Sionis. In addition to ignoring their duties as police to earn the bounty on Batman's head, they abuse and beat innocent homeless men for their own amusement, extort money from street gangs, and gang up and harass lone unarmed criminals; they're so bad that thugs on the street mention joining because it's such a good racket.
** [[spoiler:
racket. One of Nigma's extortion tapes mentions that Gordon is literally the only "clean" cop in Gotham.]]



** The Joker's line, "This fruitcake is ''fantastic''! *stabs knife into table* Anyone want a piece?" Considering he says this right after [[spoiler:Electrocutioner]] questions him in a disrespectful manner, and is then dealt with in typical Joker fashion, he could be asking the remaining assassins in the room if anyone else wants to question him. He may be referencing himself as an awesome insane man, hence the "fruitcake" is "fantastic", and then asking if anyone wants "a piece" of him by challenging him. Or he could very honestly be asking if anyone else in the room wants a slice of fruitcake. With Joker, it's hard to tell.

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** The Joker's line, "This fruitcake is ''fantastic''! *stabs knife into table* Anyone want a piece?" Considering he says this right after [[spoiler:Electrocutioner]] Electrocutioner questions him in a disrespectful manner, and is then dealt with in typical Joker fashion, he could be asking the remaining assassins in the room if anyone else wants to question him. He may be referencing himself as an awesome insane man, hence the "fruitcake" is "fantastic", and then asking if anyone wants "a piece" of him by challenging him. Or he could very honestly be asking if anyone else in the room wants a slice of fruitcake. With Joker, it's hard to tell.



** [[spoiler:The Joker, who sets a record for sheer bravado for what he does to Black Mask.]]
** [[spoiler:Batman was more concerned about Bane being in Gotham than any other assassin, to the point he doesn't give Bane a summary of his abilities.]]

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** [[spoiler:The Joker, who sets a record The Joker becomes this for sheer bravado for what his shear willingness to murder. He leaves entire buildings littered with dead bodies that he's ''decorated'' and Batman, no matter how hardened he does is, can't do anything to Black Mask.]]
get the images of the bodies out of his head
** [[spoiler:Batman Batman was more concerned about Bane being in Gotham than any other assassin, to the point he doesn't give Bane a summary of his abilities.]]abilities in favor of shocked silence.



* [[spoiler:EasyAmnesia]]: [[spoiler:The unperfected TN-1 compound affects the memory center of the brain, once again leaving Bane with no knowledge of Bruce's secret identity once he uses it.]]

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* [[spoiler:EasyAmnesia]]: EasyAmnesia: [[spoiler:The unperfected TN-1 compound affects the memory center of the brain, once again leaving Bane with no knowledge of Bruce's secret identity once he uses it.]]



* EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes: Several of the idle mooks on the street will mention having girlfriends, at least one of them even considering going straight so that they can get married. Some other mooks may mention their moms, one saying his is expecting him to bring fish back for supper.
** The mook who was planning to get married returns in the DLC, again expressing doubts about his criminal lifestyle now that he has a wife who wants a kid. His friend points out that in Gotham, there aren't a lot of honest ways to support a family.

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* EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes: Several of the idle mooks on the street will mention having girlfriends, at least one of them even considering going straight so that they can get married. Some other mooks may mention their moms, one saying his is expecting him to bring fish back for supper.
**
supper. The mook who was planning to get married returns in the DLC, again expressing doubts about his criminal lifestyle now that he has a wife who wants a kid. His friend points out that in Gotham, there aren't a lot of honest ways to support a family.



* EvilCannotComprehendGood: [[spoiler:The police assume the Joker is Batman's accomplice after Batman decided to SaveTheVillain at the Royal Hotel. Neither the cops nor the Joker understand why.]]
* EvilIsOneBigHappyFamily: Played straight during the Crime In Progress events; even though two opposing gangs ''were'' fighting each other, as soon as you (playing the Batman) arrive, they ''instantly'' settle their differences and all attack you together. In real life, at least ''some'' of the mooks could be expected to continue their original quarrel for at least a ''few'' seconds.
** Depending on how large the group is, some may continue fighting each other for some time. It may be proximity that switches them over to fighting the Bat. This is most notable in the first Bird quest, which features a spectacularly large gang fight, although noticing this requires paying attention to actions in the background, rather than the dozen or so mooks trying to beat you to a pulp.
* {{Expy}}: In a non-human version, almost all the "new" equipment in this game is just a slight retooling of gear from ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity''. The Glue Grenade is functionally identical to the Freeze Grenade (and can be upgraded to mimic the Freeze Cluster as well), the Disruptor is ''City's'' Disruptor in a form similar to the R.E.C., and the electric gauntlets are ''Armored Edition's'' B.A.T. Mode with the ability to power generators like the R.E.C.
** Additionally, the Remote Claw, the only truly new piece of equipment in the game, is derived from the grappling gun from ''VideoGame/JustCause2''.

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: [[spoiler:The police The corrupt cops assume the Joker is Batman's accomplice after Batman decided to SaveTheVillain at the Royal Hotel. Neither the cops nor the Joker understand why.]]
why anyone would risk their life to save someone as deranged as the Joker.
* EvilIsOneBigHappyFamily: Played straight during the Crime In Progress events; even though two opposing gangs ''were'' fighting each other, as soon as you (playing the Batman) arrive, they ''instantly'' settle their differences and all attack you together. In real life, at least ''some'' of the mooks could be expected to continue their original quarrel for at least a ''few'' seconds.
**
seconds. Depending on how large the group is, some may continue fighting each other for some time. It may be proximity that switches them over to fighting the Bat. This is most notable in the first Bird quest, which features a spectacularly large gang fight, although noticing this requires paying attention to actions in the background, rather than the dozen or so mooks trying to beat you to a pulp.
* {{Expy}}: {{Expy}}:
**
In a non-human version, almost all the "new" equipment in this game is just a slight retooling of gear from ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity''. The Glue Grenade is functionally identical to the Freeze Grenade (and can be upgraded to mimic the Freeze Cluster as well), the Disruptor is ''City's'' Disruptor in a form similar to the R.E.C., and the electric gauntlets are ''Armored Edition's'' B.A.T. Mode with the ability to power generators like the R.E.C.
**
C. Additionally, the Remote Claw, the only truly new piece of equipment in the game, is derived from the grappling gun from ''VideoGame/JustCause2''.



* FakeLongevity: A common complaint concerning the Dark Knight System of challenges.

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* FakeLongevity: A common complaint concerning the The Dark Knight System of challenges.challenges require players to pull off fifteen different stunts in Predator encounters, except there aren't enough Predator encounters to clear the system in one playthrough. Whoops, looks like you'll have to load up a new game, and if you mess that up, try another one!



* FakingTheDead: [[spoiler:At the end of the Cyrus Pinkney case-file, you learn that Amadeus Arkham can make a potion that does this. It probably explains how Joker faked his death at the beginning of ''City''.]]

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* FakingTheDead: [[spoiler:At At the end of the Cyrus Pinkney case-file, you [[spoiler:you learn that Amadeus Arkham can make a potion that does this. It probably explains how Joker faked his death at the beginning of ''City''.]]



** In the hotel and Blackgate at the end, [[spoiler:Joker monologues this is why he does things. He doesn't care about right and wrong; he just does stuff because he thinks it's funny. However, in Blackgate, he says that by thwarting his actual scheme, Batman has shown him that there's so much more that he can do. The ending cements to Joker what a challenge Batman truly offers]].

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** In the hotel and Blackgate at the end, [[spoiler:Joker Joker monologues this is why he does things. He doesn't care about right and wrong; he just does stuff because he thinks it's funny. However, [[spoiler:However, in Blackgate, he says that by thwarting his actual scheme, Batman has shown him that there's so much more that he can do. The ending cements to Joker what a challenge Batman truly offers]].



** In particular, two characters ([[spoiler:Black Mask and Alfred]]) whose deaths are teased in this game [[spoiler:(only for it to be revealed that they aren't dead)]], who are characters who appear in the chronologically later titles.

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** In particular, two characters ([[spoiler:Black Mask and Alfred]]) whose deaths are teased in this game [[spoiler:(only (only for it to be revealed that they aren't dead)]], dead), who are characters who appear in the chronologically later titles.



** In one of Black Mask's first appearances, he [[spoiler:considers offing Calendar Man on Christmas Eve, which is just the kind of twisted yet hilarious scheme that Joker would do]].

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** In one of Black Mask's first appearances, he [[spoiler:considers considers offing Calendar Man on Christmas Eve, which [[spoiler:which is just the kind of twisted yet hilarious scheme that Joker would do]].



** When snooping on some of Black Mask's thugs, a few will mention if their colleagues have noticed how he's acting odd lately. [[spoiler:Namely, he's become a lot more violent, whilst another notes he's been cracking a lot more jokes than usual.]]

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** When snooping on some of Black Mask's thugs, a few will mention if their colleagues have noticed how he's acting odd lately. [[spoiler:Namely, Namely, he's become a lot more violent, whilst another notes he's [[spoiler:he's been cracking a lot more jokes than usual.]]usual]].



* FreezeFrameBonus: During the Crime Alley shooting side-mission, the Bat-Vision's virtual reconstruction of the crime will briefly show images of [[spoiler:Thomas and Martha Wayne's corpses]].

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* FreezeFrameBonus: During the Crime Alley shooting side-mission, the Bat-Vision's virtual reconstruction of the crime will briefly show images of [[spoiler:Thomas Thomas and Martha Wayne's corpses]].corpses.



** Shiva's side quest essentially revolves around her testing Batman for [[spoiler:Ra's al Ghul's League of Shadows, chronologically before he has found out about Ra's at all]]. [[spoiler:She even tells Batman that Gotham will burn in a way that is extremely similar to the way Azrael tells Batman in City.]]
** One of Shiva's blackmail files is a recording of her [[spoiler:approaching Sharp on Ra's al Ghul's behalf, starting his rise to power and, ultimately, the events of ''Arkham City'']].

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** Shiva's side quest essentially revolves around her testing Batman for [[spoiler:Ra's Ra's al Ghul's League of Shadows, chronologically before he has found out about Ra's at all]]. [[spoiler:She all. She even tells Batman that Gotham will burn in a way that is extremely similar to the way Azrael tells Batman in City.]]
''City''.
** One of Shiva's blackmail files is a recording of her [[spoiler:approaching approaching Sharp on Ra's al Ghul's behalf, starting his rise to power and, ultimately, the events of ''Arkham City'']].City''.



** [[spoiler:Sionis Steel Mill's reasons for being chosen as Joker's base in Arkham City is revealed.]]

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** [[spoiler:Sionis Sionis Steel Mill's reasons for being chosen as Joker's base in Arkham City ''Arkham City'' is revealed.revealed. [[spoiler:Joker stole all of Roman Sionis's assets by impersonating him.]]



* GameplayAndStorySegregation: In the cutscene where [[spoiler:Joker]] talks to the assassins in the penthouse of the Gotham Royal, [[spoiler:Deadshot and Shiva]] are shown attending through video conference, though they don't contribute anything to the meeting. This happens even if they've already been defeated in the optional sidequests.

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: In the cutscene where [[spoiler:Joker]] Black Mask talks to the assassins in the penthouse of the Gotham Royal, [[spoiler:Deadshot Deadshot and Shiva]] Shiva are shown attending through video conference, though they don't contribute anything to the meeting. This happens even if they've already been defeated in the optional sidequests.



* GoodIsNotSoft: Gordon gives an example when he doesn't hesitate to non-fatally shoot down two of Joker's mooks [[spoiler:and holds Batman himself at gunpoint]].

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* GoodIsNotSoft: Gordon gives an example when he doesn't hesitate to non-fatally shoot down two of Joker's mooks [[spoiler:and and earlier, holds Batman himself at gunpoint]].gunpoint.



** [[spoiler:Ra's Al Ghul. He's indirectly referenced as Shiva's master several times, and through their manipulations Arkham Asylum is reopened.]]
** If you check Penguin's office, you'll find orders for weapons and equipment for Deadshot, Deathstroke, and Bane. Bane's rocket launcher is in a crate in the office.]]
* GrievousHarmWithABody: [[spoiler: In the finale, Bane will sometimes pick up an inmate and try and smash Batman with the thug.]]
* GrowingMusclesSequence: [[spoiler:In the finale, Bane injects himself with TN-1, causing him to morph into the hulking behemoth he is seen as in later games.]]

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** [[spoiler:Ra's Ra's Al Ghul. He's indirectly referenced as Shiva's master several times, and through their manipulations Arkham Asylum is reopened.]]
reopened.
** If you check Penguin's office, you'll find orders for weapons and equipment for Deadshot, Deathstroke, and Bane. Bane's rocket launcher is in a crate in the office.office.
* GrievousHarmWithABody: In the final boss battle, [[spoiler:Bane will sometimes pick up an inmate and try and smash Batman with the thug.
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* GrievousHarmWithABody: [[spoiler: In the finale, Bane will sometimes pick up an inmate and try and smash Batman with the thug.]]
* GrowingMusclesSequence: [[spoiler:In In the finale, Bane [[spoiler:Bane injects himself with TN-1, causing him to morph into the hulking behemoth he is seen as in later games.]]



* GutturalGrowler: [[spoiler:In sharp contrast to Alberto's shrimpy, nasal voice, the Holiday Killer has an even deeper rasp than Black Mask himself.]]

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* GutturalGrowler: [[spoiler:In In sharp contrast to Alberto's shrimpy, nasal voice, the his Holiday Killer alter-ego has an even deeper rasp than Black Mask himself.]]



* HaveANiceDeath: As expected for a Batman title, there are various examples featuring the villains appropriate to their areas in the game or the gang who just defeated you. [[spoiler:And if you die in the Sionis Steel Mill too early in the game, you get ComicBook/TheJoker, effectively spoiling TheReveal of his role later on.]]

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* HaveANiceDeath: As expected for a Batman title, there are various examples featuring the villains appropriate to their areas in the game or the gang who just defeated you. [[spoiler:And And if you die in the Sionis Steel Mill too early in the game, you [[spoiler:you get ComicBook/TheJoker, theJoker, effectively spoiling TheReveal of his role later on.impersonation of Roman Sionis.]]



* HeroWithBadPublicity: Batman suffers from this since the GCPD, even Jim Gordon, consider him a simple vigilante at this point. Though it's complicated by the sheer number of [[DirtyCop cops on the take from the mob...]]
** This begins to dissipate over the course of the game as Batman selflessly saves more and more people who thought he was going to hurt them. By the end of the game, a group of people that he saved are trying to spread word that the [[DarkIsNotEvil big, scary man in black is actually a hero]].

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* HeroWithBadPublicity: Batman suffers from this since the GCPD, even Jim Gordon, consider him a simple vigilante at this point. Though it's complicated by the sheer number of [[DirtyCop cops on the take from the mob...]]
**
]] This begins to dissipate over the course of the game as Batman selflessly saves more and more people who thought he was going to hurt them. By the end of the game, a group of people that he saved are trying to spread word that the [[DarkIsNotEvil big, scary man in black is actually a hero]].



* HistoryRepeats: [[spoiler:The final crime scene Batman investigates is the murder of two newly engaged socialites that were friends with Bruce Wayne, in Crime Alley & mere feet from where Bruce's parents were shot. Whilst reconstructing the crime scene & playing the murders back, Thomas & Martha briefly flicker back into their chalk outlines.]]

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* HistoryRepeats: [[spoiler:The The final crime scene Batman investigates is the murder of two newly engaged socialites that were friends with Bruce Wayne, in Crime Alley & mere feet from where Bruce's parents were shot. Whilst reconstructing the crime scene & playing the murders back, Thomas & Martha briefly flicker back into their chalk outlines.]]



* InLoveWithYourCarnage: [[spoiler:The Joker]] has an obvious fascination with Batman's [[ThouShaltNotKill moral code,]] and is fixated on making him break it, even at the expense of [[spoiler:his own life.]]

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* InLoveWithYourCarnage: [[spoiler:The Joker]] The Joker has an obvious fascination with Batman's [[ThouShaltNotKill moral code,]] and is fixated on making him break it, even at the expense of [[spoiler:his his own life.]]



* LeftTheBackgroundMusicOn: When Batman starts heading toward the penthouse, all of a sudden, Bane arrives, set to the tune of Gioachino Rossini's "[[PublicDomainSoundtrack The Barber of Seville]]", grabs Batman, and tosses him into the penthouse where the Joker lives. The Clown Prince of Crime tells the Dark Knight that "it's a tradition in my house to open one present on Christmas Eve." He then chooses one of the detonators and uses it to blow up [[spoiler:an empty construction site]] before laughing and singing "The Twelve Days of Christmas"... while the background music starts to sound more like ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', as the Joker had been watching WesternAnimation/BugsBunny's "WesternAnimation/RabbitOfSeville" while he is doing the atrocity. Enraged, Batman grabs the Joker as the explosion rocks the building, cutting out the TV signal.

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* LeftTheBackgroundMusicOn: When Batman starts heading toward the penthouse, all of a sudden, Bane arrives, set to the tune of Gioachino Rossini's "[[PublicDomainSoundtrack The Barber of Seville]]", grabs Batman, and tosses him into the penthouse where the Joker lives. The Clown Prince of Crime tells the Dark Knight that "it's a tradition in my house to open one present on Christmas Eve." He then chooses one of the detonators and uses it to blow up [[spoiler:an an empty construction site]] site before laughing and singing "The Twelve Days of Christmas"... while the background music starts to sound more like ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', as the Joker had been watching WesternAnimation/BugsBunny's "WesternAnimation/RabbitOfSeville" while he is doing the atrocity. Enraged, Batman grabs the Joker as the explosion rocks the building, cutting out the TV signal.



* LoveAtFirstSight: Dr. Harleen Quinzel thinks that Joker is talking about this during his rambling speech about how fate shapes everyone's lives so that they reach one specific moment in which they finally meet the one person they can truly relate to. He isn't, or if he is, he isn't talking about ''[[FoeYay her]]''.

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* LoveAtFirstSight: Dr. Harleen Quinzel thinks that Joker is talking about this during his rambling speech about how fate shapes everyone's lives so that they reach one specific moment in which they finally meet the one person they can truly relate to. He isn't, or if he is, he isn't talking about ''[[FoeYay her]]''.''her''.



** Batman takes multiple punches [[spoiler:from Bane]] that, judging from [[spoiler:Bane]]'s strength, should have shattered his chest bones and ruptured his organs.

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** Batman takes multiple punches [[spoiler:from Bane]] from Bane that, judging from [[spoiler:Bane]]'s Bane's strength, should have shattered his chest bones and ruptured his organs.



* MeaningfulEcho: At the start of the game, Batman is reluctant to accept help from others, but as the story is progressing, he eventually realizes that he can defend Gotham more efficiently if he cooperates with others.[[spoiler: At the end of the main story, Batman defeats The Joker and Gordon can finally arrest him. When Gordon contacts the GCPD, they ask him how he pulled it off. His response? "I had some help."]]

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* MeaningfulEcho: At the start of the game, Batman is reluctant to accept help from others, but as the story is progressing, he eventually realizes that he can defend Gotham more efficiently if he cooperates with others.[[spoiler: At [[spoiler:At the end of the main story, Batman defeats The Joker and Gordon can finally arrest him. When Gordon contacts the GCPD, they ask him how he pulled it off. His response? "I had some help."]]



** During one of the side-quests, [[spoiler:Mad Hatter sends you into a dark Wonderland]].

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** During one of the side-quests, [[spoiler:Mad Mad Hatter sends you into a dark Wonderland]].twisted version of Wonderland with his mind control equipment.



** Playing as [[spoiler:the Joker]] ''inside his own mind'' might count as the ''ultimate'' Mind Screw.

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** Playing as [[spoiler:the Joker]] the Joker ''inside his own mind'' might count as the ''ultimate'' Mind Screw.



** The achievement for [[spoiler:defeating the Joker]] is titled [[spoiler:[[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke "Perhaps Sooner, Perhaps Later"]]]]. And another titled "Legends of the Dark Knight" features his famous pose from ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''.

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** The achievement for [[spoiler:defeating fighting the Joker]] Joker is titled [[spoiler:[[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke "Perhaps Sooner, Perhaps Later"]]]].Later"]]. And another titled "Legends of the Dark Knight" features his famous pose from ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''.



** Inside the Sionis steel mill, you can find a dossier on Cain, as well as ones for Cheshire and Black Spider, all stamped "Rejected", suggesting that [[spoiler:Joker]] considered hiring them for the group of assassins.

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** Inside the Sionis steel mill, you can find a dossier on Cain, as well as ones for Cheshire and Black Spider, all stamped "Rejected", suggesting that [[spoiler:Joker]] Black Mask considered hiring them for the group of assassins.



** The end credits [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman aren't the first time]] [[spoiler:The Joker has sung his own version of a Music/HankWilliams song.]]

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** The end credits [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman aren't the first time]] [[spoiler:The The Joker has sung his own version of a Music/HankWilliams song.]]



** This game also has the Joker [[spoiler: [[WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood take Black Mask hostage.]]]]

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** This game also has the Joker [[spoiler: [[WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood [[spoiler:[[WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood take Black Mask hostage.]]]]



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: One of Enigma’s blackmail tapes contains a record of [[spoiler:Quincy Sharp agreeing to cooperate with Ra’s-Al-Ghul.]] If Batman had simply allowed the information to go public (as Enigma intended), [[spoiler:Sharp would have been exposed and disgraced, and Ra’s would have been unable to use him as a pawn.]] Yet Batman couldn’t leave well enough alone, and several years later, [[spoiler:Ra’s has successfully manipulated Sharp into making ''Arkham City'' a reality.]]
* NiceJobFixingItVillain: [[spoiler: TheJoker does this as much as his usual schtick, as he points out to Batman in the Royal Hotel. First, he takes over Black Mask's gang, slaughtering the loyal ones, cutting down Gotham's total criminal population and indirectly exposing Sionis as a crime boss (the Black Mask sidequest). Second, he hires the assassins, which causes a lot of damage, but gets some very dangerous people behind bars. Third, his first riot at Black Gate gets Commissioner Loeb killed, opening up the spot for Gordon. Finally, he starts a prison riot at Blackgate again...while Batman was having a HeroicBSOD in his DarkestHour. This effectively snapped Batman back into action and led to Joker's defeat. To top it all off, the Joker not only caused Batman to get a HeroicSecondWind but he ended up convincing Batman to be the hero Gotham needs.]]
* NighInvulnerability: [[spoiler:The Flashback!Joker (and the pre-Joker Red Hood) is this, since he can't take any damage from his tormentors ([[ConvectionSchmonvection or fire-breathing traps]], for that matter). Justified, since they're all illusions, and these scenes of his are all a part of his MindScrew.]]

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: One of Enigma’s blackmail tapes contains a record of [[spoiler:Quincy Quincy Sharp agreeing to cooperate with Ra’s-Al-Ghul.]] Ra’s-Al-Ghul. If Batman had simply allowed the information to go public (as Enigma intended), [[spoiler:Sharp [Sharp would have been exposed and disgraced, and Ra’s would have been unable to use him as a pawn.]] pawn. Yet Batman couldn’t leave well enough alone, and several years later, [[spoiler:Ra’s has successfully manipulated Sharp into making ''Arkham City'' a reality.]]
* NiceJobFixingItVillain: [[spoiler: TheJoker The Joker does this as much as his usual schtick, as he points out to Batman in the Royal Hotel. First, [[spoiler:First, he takes over Black Mask's gang, slaughtering the loyal ones, cutting down Gotham's total criminal population and indirectly exposing Sionis as a crime boss (the Black Mask sidequest). Second, he hires the assassins, which causes a lot of damage, but gets some very dangerous people behind bars. Third, his first riot at Black Gate gets Commissioner Loeb killed, opening up the spot for Gordon. Finally, he starts a prison riot at Blackgate again...while Batman was having a HeroicBSOD in his DarkestHour. This effectively snapped Batman back into action and led to Joker's defeat. To top it all off, the Joker not only caused Batman to get a HeroicSecondWind but he ended up convincing Batman to be the hero Gotham needs.]]
* NighInvulnerability: [[spoiler:The The Flashback!Joker (and the pre-Joker Red Hood) is this, since he can't take any damage from his tormentors ([[ConvectionSchmonvection or fire-breathing traps]], for that matter). Justified, since they're all illusions, and these scenes of his are all a part of his MindScrew.]]



** Many of the villains in this game pull this at some point or another with varying degrees of success, particularly Anarky and Enigma - who both consider their missions to be similar to Batman's and merely their methods being different (and given that in this game Batman is perfectly willing to beat up on people he suspects to be corrupt simply because they're in the way, sometimes they have a point). Shiva likewise claims she and him have similar goals, but that Batman is clinging to weakness by being unwilling to kill those who create the world's problems ([[spoiler:a reflection of the ideology of her master, Ra's al Ghul]]). In his MotiveRant late in the game, Joker pulls this on Batman. [[ShutUpHannibal He doesn't care.]]

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** Many of the villains in this game pull this at some point or another with varying degrees of success, particularly Anarky and Enigma - who both consider their missions to be similar to Batman's and merely their methods being different (and given that in this game Batman is perfectly willing to beat up on people he suspects to be corrupt simply because they're in the way, sometimes they have a point). Shiva likewise claims she and him have similar goals, but that Batman is clinging to weakness by being unwilling to kill those who create the world's problems ([[spoiler:a (a reflection of the ideology of her master, Ra's al Ghul]]).Ghul). In his MotiveRant late in the game, Joker pulls this on Batman. [[ShutUpHannibal He doesn't care.]]



* NotHisSled: Anyone who read Knightfall was gearing up for the climactic fight against Bane to be in the Batcave, but [[spoiler: It ends in Blackgate instead]].

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* NotHisSled: Anyone who read Knightfall was gearing up for the climactic fight against Bane to be in the Batcave, but [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:it ends in Blackgate instead]].



* PermanentlyMissableContent: If you have completed the main story plot and have not completed the [[StealthExpert 'Worst Nightmare']] challenges, you are way out of luck, as there is no opportunity to complete some of them in epilogue play. This is because for some reason, the main predator rooms do not respawn mooks like Arkham City does, and even the three places that do respawn[[note]]the GCPD rooftop, the deck of the ''Final Offer'', and the outside of the Steel Mill[[/note]] don't count toward it after the completion of the storyline. Even worse is this seems to have been intentional, as one of the lead producers apparently tweeted that this is 'by design' [[FakeLongevity in order to force players]] to load up a NewGamePlus for HundredPercentCompletion.

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* PermanentlyMissableContent: PermanentlyMissableContent:
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If you have completed the main story plot and have not completed the [[StealthExpert 'Worst Nightmare']] challenges, you are way out of luck, as there is no opportunity to complete some of them in epilogue play. This is because for some reason, the main predator rooms do not respawn mooks like Arkham City does, and even the three places that do respawn[[note]]the GCPD rooftop, the deck of the ''Final Offer'', and the outside of the Steel Mill[[/note]] don't count toward it after the completion of the storyline. Even worse is this seems to have been intentional, as one of the lead producers apparently tweeted that this is 'by design' [[FakeLongevity in order to force players]] to load up a NewGamePlus for HundredPercentCompletion.



* PhlebotinumBreakdown: During the ''Cold Cold Heart'' DLC, Alfred explains that [[spoiler:the formula used to make the Glue Grenades was unstable, and that the glue has disintegrated. Also, it looks like half the armor upgrades are missing, until you get the XE suit that is, and certain gadgets aren't at full power. These were likely removed so that the XE suit would feel like an upgrade and not a simple reskin.]]

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* PhlebotinumBreakdown: During the ''Cold Cold Heart'' DLC, Alfred explains that [[spoiler:the the formula used to make the Glue Grenades was unstable, and that the glue has disintegrated. Also, it looks like half the armor upgrades are missing, until you get the XE suit that is, and certain gadgets aren't at full power. These were likely removed so that the XE suit would feel like an upgrade and not a simple reskin.]]



** During the credits, [[spoiler:Jack Ryder is having a live conversation with Quincy Sharp and various political experts over the game's events, debating over how effective the cops are, the state of the country if such criminals can actually exist, and the failure of Gotham's prison system. The only one to escape criticism is Batman.]]

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** During the credits, [[spoiler:Jack Jack Ryder is having a live conversation with Quincy Sharp and various political experts over the game's events, debating over how effective the cops are, the state of the country if such criminals can actually exist, and the failure of Gotham's prison system. The only one to escape criticism is Batman.]]



** Near the end of the game, [[spoiler:Joker]] uses bed mattress to make the corridors of [[spoiler:Blackgate Prison]] look like one big padded cell.
* RougeAnglesOfSatin[=/=]WantonCrueltyToTheCommonComma: Throughout the game, almost all of the text in the subtitles is riddled with typos and misspellings, along with missing words and words that don't match what the characters' voices say.

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** Near the end of the game, [[spoiler:Joker]] uses bed mattress are used to make the corridors of [[spoiler:Blackgate Prison]] look like one big padded cell.
* RougeAnglesOfSatin[=/=]WantonCrueltyToTheCommonComma: RougeAnglesOfSatin: Throughout the game, almost all of the text in the subtitles is riddled with typos and misspellings, along with missing words and words that don't match what the characters' voices say.



* SaveTheVillain: After [[spoiler: the Joker]] is blown off the Royal Hotel by Bane, Batman dives after him and rescues him from a DisneyVillainDeath, albeit with a brief FreeFallFight.

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* SaveTheVillain: After [[spoiler: the Joker]] Joker is blown off the Royal Hotel by Bane, Batman dives after him and rescues him from a DisneyVillainDeath, albeit with a brief FreeFallFight.



* ScriptedBattle: After Croc's health is reduced to almost nothing, he doesn't take any more damage until the final propane tank is detonated, triggering the necessary cutscene.

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* ScriptedBattle: ScriptedBattle:
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After Croc's health is reduced to almost nothing, he doesn't take any more damage until the final propane tank is detonated, triggering the necessary cutscene.



** Something of a bizarre case, considering its [[{{Prequel}} status]], but there are some nonetheless. One example is the presence of [[ComicBook/TheLongHalloween Alberto Falcone]]; [[spoiler:one extortion tape reveals he's been having 'sessions' with Hugo Strange, and another has him calling up Black Mask in what has to be his Holiday persona.]] A more minor case might be Cyrus Pinkney [[spoiler:and what became of him after he faked his death]].
** A HUGE one after the end credits: [[spoiler:Deathstroke gets visited at Black Gate... by Amanda Waller. Who approaches him to join the ''ComicBook/SuicideSquad'']].

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** Something of a bizarre case, considering its [[{{Prequel}} status]], but there are some nonetheless. One example is the presence of [[ComicBook/TheLongHalloween Alberto Falcone]]; [[spoiler:one one extortion tape reveals he's been having 'sessions' with Hugo Strange, and another has him calling up Black Mask in what has to be his Holiday persona.]] persona. A more minor case might be Cyrus Pinkney [[spoiler:and what became of him after he faked his death]].
** A HUGE one after the end credits: [[spoiler:Deathstroke Deathstroke gets visited at Black Gate... by Amanda Waller. Who approaches him to join the ''ComicBook/SuicideSquad'']].''ComicBook/SuicideSquad''.



** [[spoiler:It's easy to miss, but while getting to the Batcave in Cold, Cold Heart there's a news broadcast about Mayor Hill being exposed for corruption, which happened about a week ago. Whatever it was, it was bad enough for Hill to resign, which also helped secure Gordon's promotion to Commissioner.]]

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** [[spoiler:It's It's easy to miss, but while getting to the Batcave in Cold, "Cold, Cold Heart Heart" there's a news broadcast about Mayor Hill being exposed for corruption, which happened about a week ago. Whatever it was, it was bad enough for Hill to resign, which also helped secure Gordon's promotion to Commissioner.]]



** Joker [[EvilIsPetty destroys a building]] [[spoiler:(without any people in it)]] just for [[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes blocking his view of the city]]. Notably, he's also [[FreezeFrameBonus watching the show]] when Batman comes in.

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** Joker [[EvilIsPetty destroys a building]] [[spoiler:(without (without any people in it)]] it) just for [[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes blocking his view of the city]]. Notably, he's also [[FreezeFrameBonus watching the show]] when Batman comes in.



** Joker's dialogue, naturally, is full of references, from quoting old Alka-Seltzer commercials to singing [[Film/TheWizardOfOz "Ding, Dong, the Bat is Dead"]]. [[spoiler:As the credits roll, he even recites Music/HankWilliams' "Cold, Cold Heart" as a twisted ObsessionSong.]]
*** Likewise, [[spoiler:the Joker's hallucinatory fight scene at the Comedy Club, set to the tune of "The Thieving Magpie Overture" by Rossini, is a nod to the same "Ultra-Violence" fight scene at an abandoned theater set to the same music in the film adaptation of ''Film/AClockworkOrange''.]]

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** Joker's dialogue, naturally, is full of references, from quoting old Alka-Seltzer commercials to singing [[Film/TheWizardOfOz "Ding, Dong, the Bat is Dead"]]. [[spoiler:As As the credits roll, he even recites Music/HankWilliams' "Cold, Cold Heart" as a twisted ObsessionSong.]]
ObsessionSong.
*** Likewise, [[spoiler:the the Joker's hallucinatory fight scene at the Comedy Club, set to the tune of "The Thieving Magpie Overture" by Rossini, is a nod to the same "Ultra-Violence" fight scene at an abandoned theater set to the same music in the film adaptation of ''Film/AClockworkOrange''.]]



** In the Royal Hotel's penthouse, [[spoiler:just before the Joker reveals himself to the remaining assassins by taking off his mask,]] Electrocutioner is seen playing the 1970's classic ''VideoGame/{{Asteroids}}'' video game on his mobile phone.

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** In the Royal Hotel's penthouse, [[spoiler:just before the Joker reveals himself to the remaining assassins by taking off his mask,]] Electrocutioner is seen playing the 1970's classic ''VideoGame/{{Asteroids}}'' video game on his mobile phone.



* ShroudedInMyth: One of the new skins, though later removed from the game, is "Worst Nightmare", which depicts how most criminals see Batman: a monstrous, bat-like figure. This even shows up in-game [[spoiler:when Batman is seen from Joker's point of view after a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown]].

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* ShroudedInMyth: One of the new skins, though later removed from the game, is "Worst Nightmare", which depicts how most criminals see Batman: a monstrous, bat-like figure. This even shows up in-game [[spoiler:when when Batman is seen from Joker's point of view after a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown]].NoHoldsBarredBeatdown.



** [[spoiler:Once Joker realizes that Batman is not only determined to avoid killing, but will even go out of his way to save his enemies' lives, he cruelly exploits it by rigging up a scenario in which Batman must either abandon his principles and kill, be killed himself, or let the Joker die by refusing to act. See SadisticChoice.]]

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** [[spoiler:Once Once Joker realizes that Batman is not only determined to avoid killing, but will even go out of his way to save his enemies' lives, he [[spoiler:he cruelly exploits it by rigging up a scenario in which Batman must either abandon his principles and kill, be killed himself, or let the Joker die by refusing to act. See SadisticChoice.]]



* UnfinishedUntestedUsedAnyway: The XE suit from the "Cold, Cold Heart" DLC is still in the prototype phase when Batman puts it on, but, naturally, it works like a charm. Unusually, it's ''Batman'' who objects to its use, and Alfred is the one insisting that Batman won't get anywhere without it. Alfred's right (otherwise the Freeze encounters would have ended with a Batsicle), but at least Batman has him take some time to finish up and test the systems.

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* UnfinishedUntestedUsedAnyway: UnfinishedUntestedUsedAnyway:
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The XE suit from the "Cold, Cold Heart" DLC is still in the prototype phase when Batman puts it on, but, naturally, it works like a charm. Unusually, it's ''Batman'' who objects to its use, and Alfred is the one insisting that Batman won't get anywhere without it. Alfred's right (otherwise the Freeze encounters would have ended with a Batsicle), but at least Batman has him take some time to finish up and test the systems.



** The Joker [[spoiler: points out how Batman hasn't accomplished much in his war on crime in the past two years, while he has only been in Gotham ''for two weeks'' yet he's [[NiceJobFixingItVillain done more help for Gotham]] by randomly doing his [[ItAmusedMe actions]]. These action include [[PayEvilUntoEvil executing]] [[DirtyCop Commissioner Loeb]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch dethroning Black Mask]], and exposing Blackgate as a CardboardPrison.]] Despite being a psychopath, The Joker is ''entirely correct'' about these particular points.
** The [[spoiler: real]] Black Mask, after you capture him [[spoiler: after the fight in the church]], points out that he will soon go free, as his resources are enough to buy or threaten the officials to release him, the judicial system (at least in Gotham) is a lie, and Batman is the sigh of this. Add Anarky's information and your own knowledge about Gotham City, and it's difficult to disagree with his point.

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** The Joker [[spoiler: points [[spoiler:points out how Batman hasn't accomplished much in his war on crime in the past two years, while he has only been in Gotham ''for two weeks'' yet he's [[NiceJobFixingItVillain done more help for Gotham]] by randomly doing his [[ItAmusedMe actions]]. These action include [[PayEvilUntoEvil executing]] [[DirtyCop Commissioner Loeb]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch dethroning Black Mask]], and exposing Blackgate as a CardboardPrison.]] Despite being a psychopath, The Joker is ''entirely correct'' about these particular points.
** The [[spoiler: real]] Black Mask, after you capture him [[spoiler: after the fight in the church]], him, points out that he will soon go free, as his resources are enough to buy or threaten the officials to release him, the judicial system (at least in Gotham) is a lie, and Batman is the sigh of this. Add Anarky's information and your own knowledge about Gotham City, and it's difficult to disagree with his point.



** When [[spoiler:Batman asks Black Mask where the Joker is, he denies knowledge of him, and asks the bank manager he has captive if she knows. Her response is to [[DieLaughing laugh uncontrollably]]. Then "Black Mask" brings out an unmasked, captive Roman Sionis]].
** Finding [[spoiler:Bane's RoomFullOfCrazy and knowledge of Batman's secret identity]].

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** When [[spoiler:Batman Batman asks Black Mask where the Joker is, he denies knowledge of him, and asks the bank manager he has captive if she knows. Her [[spoiler:Her response is to [[DieLaughing laugh uncontrollably]]. uncontrollably. Then "Black Mask" brings out an unmasked, captive Roman Sionis]].
Sionis, letting us know "Black Mask" has secretly been the Joker the whole time]].
** Finding [[spoiler:Bane's RoomFullOfCrazy and Bane's RoomFullOfCrazy, which reveals [[spoiler:his knowledge of Batman's secret identity]].



-->'''[[spoiler:Bane]]:''' [[spoiler:I am in your house, Bruce.]]

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-->'''[[spoiler:Bane]]:''' -->'''Bane:''' [[spoiler:I am in your house, Bruce.]]



* WheresTheFunInThat: Spoken by one criminal to another [[spoiler:when asked if they should go kill the hostages, with Harleen Quinzel (the future Harley Quinn) among them during the final raid at Blackgate Prison]].

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* WheresTheFunInThat: Spoken by one criminal to another [[spoiler:when when asked if they should go kill the hostages, with Harleen Quinzel (the future Harley Quinn) among them during the final raid at Blackgate Prison]].hostages.



** [[spoiler: When Joker took over Black Mask's operation, he killed almost a quarter of his men, because they wouldn't take orders from him.]]
* YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle: [[spoiler: Happens in the final battle with Bane. After you have shocked him in traps, and drained all his energy down to one hit point, you may think this is over when he falls to the ground. Then, just when Batman radios Alfred and says: "Alfred, it's over... I've defeated Bane"... All of a sudden Bane gets up and hits him very hard, then you realize that the muscleman is not finished yet, and that you need to counter with the Remote Claw to subdue him, and defeat him for good.]]

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** [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When Joker took over Black Mask's operation, he killed almost a quarter of his men, because they wouldn't take orders from him.]]
* YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle: [[spoiler: Happens in the final battle with Bane. After [[spoiler:After you have shocked him in traps, and drained all his energy down to one hit point, you may think this is over when he falls to the ground. Then, just when Batman radios Alfred and says: "Alfred, it's over... I've defeated Bane"... All of a sudden Bane gets up and hits him very hard, then you realize that the muscleman is not finished yet, and that you need to counter with the Remote Claw to subdue him, and defeat him for good.]]
1st Apr '17 4:44:28 AM at_ease_loser
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** This isn't the [[WesternAnimation/TheNewBatmanAdventures first]] [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman time]] Bane is defeated by electricity
23rd Mar '17 3:31:09 PM hustyx
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** Actually subverted atmosphere wise. The lighting in this game is so bright and so frequent that the battles are mostly actually pretty hard, because you don't see the counter icon over enemy head so easily. The games really get brighter and brighter, with Asylum being dark horror [[CaptainObvious asylum]], City kinda bordering on steampunk prison with all the nifty supernatural things like Solomon Grundy and Wonder City, and lastly Origins. Arkham Knight slides back to the Asylum feel.
13th Mar '17 3:51:16 PM Rubber_Lotus
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** Kirigi from the "Initiation" DLC is a mild example. While a TrueNeutral {{Jerkass}} at worst, his comics counterpart was one of Batman's few mentors more pacifistic than even Bruce ''himself'' (Denny O'Neil's ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'' novelization mentions he stopped training Bruce because Bruce ''refused to forsake violence forever'').

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** Kirigi from the "Initiation" DLC is a mild example. While the DLC has him a TrueNeutral {{Jerkass}} at worst, his comics counterpart was one of Batman's few mentors more ''the'' most pacifistic than even Bruce ''himself'' mentors Batman ever had (Denny O'Neil's ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'' novelization mentions he stopped training Bruce because Bruce ''refused to forsake violence forever'').
13th Mar '17 3:49:56 PM Rubber_Lotus
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** Kirigi from the "Initiation" DLC is a mild example. While a TrueNeutral {{Jerkass}} at worst, his comics counterpart was one of Batman's few mentors more pacifistic than even Bruce ''himself'' (Denny O'Neil's ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'' novelization mentions he stopped training Bruce because Bruce ''refused to forsake violence forever'').
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* VideoGameCrueltyPotential: Like all of the other Arkham titles, Batman can beat the living daylights out of thugs and [[DirtyCop cops]] alike, hitting them with endless amounts of batarangs, constantly blowing them up with explosive gel and yanking them all over the place with the Batclaw. However, the ''real'' cruelty comes in the Predator encounter on top of the GCPD building. For some reason, there isn't an invisible wall on one of the platforms by the front of the building that prevents enemies from falling to their deaths. Bats can lure cops to this platform, jump to the adjacent building and yank the cops off of the building and '''watch them fall ten stories down into the Gotham streets below'''. [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat Although Detective Mode still lists them as "unconscious", there is no way that they would not be dead from that]].
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