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** The target audience is children being raised as Jehovah's Witnesses. As such, viewers outside of that denomination, including many other Christians, are likely to be put off by some of the moral values being taught.
**The episode where Sophia and her mom morally grandstand over Carrie for having two mommies, with the conclusion being that she should preach to her about the ills of homosexuality. That episode cemented her mother as TheScrappy. Thankfully, the rest of the school is implied to supportive of her (since she felt confident enough to draw them and pin the drawing in a public board), so they have her back in case Sophia actually goes through with it.
** The target audience is children being raised as Jehovah's Witnesses. As such, viewers outside of that denomination, including many other Christians, are likely to be put off by some of the moral values being taught.
**The episode where Sophia and her mom morally grandstand over Carrie for having two mommies, with the conclusion being that she should preach to her about the ills of homosexuality. That episode cemented her mother as TheScrappy. Thankfully, the rest of the school is implied to supportive of her (since she felt confident enough to draw them and pin the drawing in a public board), so they have her back in case Sophia actually goes through with it.
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* In ''WebVideo/HistoryOfPowerRangers'': ''Series/PowerRangersCosmicFury'', Linkara suggests that this is why ''Power Rangers'' remained popular as long as it did: the advent of [=VCRs=] and the Internet, the creeping and slowly prevailing idea that you didn’t have to give up childish things as an adult anymore and companies realizing they can continue a series by keeping the core ideas prevalent while adjusting everything else.
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No Recent Examples Please, as Values Dissonance requires a 20 year waiting period. /pol/ was created in 2011.
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* Website/FourChan is often considered the wellspring of almost every meme from the early 2000's into the 2010's, with everything from ''Webcomic/RageComics'' to [[JustForFun/{{Rickroll}} Rickrolling]] having its origins here. Unfortunately, the website also has a reputation of its users having rather...extreme views, especially on /pol/, their "politically incorrect" board, which also had a penchant of making widespread use of popular memes both within the board and to spread their views elsewhere. Since /pol/ is, well, ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin, this had the rather tragic side effect of meaning certain memes became associated with their views, and as a result many popular memes that get picked up by more extreme political elements on 4chan tend to lose their popularity when exposed to a more moderate-minded internet.
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The US and UK aren't the only two countries in the world.
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** Then there's [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-58/ this]] [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-59/ two-part strip]] condemning transsexuals as mental deviants who deserve to be physically abused until they conform to gender norms, with the second featuring not only R.H. Jr. expanding on that belief in the comments, but also making one of several statements across his comics where he condemns homosexuality as a sin.
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** Then there's [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-58/ this]] [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-59/ two-part strip]] condemning transsexuals transgender people as mental deviants who deserve to be physically abused until they conform to gender norms, with the second featuring not only R.H. Jr. expanding on that belief in the comments, but also making one of several statements across his comics where he condemns homosexuality as a sin.
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** Being from a more secular country, British viewers can get confused about the LampshadeHanging of Santa Christ apparently being offensive.
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** Being Viewers from a more secular country, British viewers countries, such as Britain, can get confused about the LampshadeHanging of Santa Christ apparently being offensive.
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* ''Webcomic/KevinAndKell'' contains a lot of DeliberateValuesDissonance, but as it is almost as old as the internet itself, also shows how attitudes to the internet and online culture have changed. For example, in early strips all the web design of one of the biggest corporations on the planet is done by a single in-house individual. Also, their first webmaster is entirely self-taught, when nowadays he would be expected to have some kind of formal training or qualification.
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* ''Webcomic/KevinAndKell'' contains a lot of DeliberateValuesDissonance, but as it is almost as old as the internet itself, also shows how attitudes to the internet and online culture have changed. For example, in early strips all the web design of one of the biggest corporations on the planet is done by a single in-house individual.employee. Also, their first webmaster is entirely self-taught, when nowadays he would be expected to have some kind of formal training or qualification.
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While not common in this strip, it does show up, which makes sense given that R.H. Jr. is a pretty solidly Right Wing Southerner (okay, Midwesterner) kind of person and doesn't shy away from using his comics as a soap box.
While not common in this strip, it does show up, which makes sense given that R.H. Jr. is a pretty solidly Right Wing Southerner (okay, Midwesterner) kind of person and doesn't shy away from using his comics as a soap box.
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''Webcomic/NipAndTuck'': While not common in this strip, it does show up, which makes sense given that R.H. Jr. is a pretty solidly Right Wing Southerner (okay, Midwesterner) kind of person and doesn't shy away from using his comics as a soap box.
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** Women who actually call themselves Feminists come in for a lot of abuse... but the female characters in the regular cast are strong-willed, sensible, and able to take care of themselves... which is what a lot of actual feminists think a female character should be like. (The hard part is whether this counts as Values Dissonance for the strip or for Feminism...)
*** Given the author's female characters are generally portrayed very positively -- other examples include a WrenchWench in ''Webcomic/TalesOfTheQuestor'' and a girl genius in his short-lived superhero comic Fellowship Of Heroes -- it's pretty much ValuesDissonance with Feminism, especially radical feminism, which is discussed and deconstructed in the strip.
** Then there's [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-58/ this]] [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-59/ two-part strip]] condemning transsexuals as mental deviants who deserve to be physically abused until they conform to gender norms, with the second featuring not only R.H. Jr. expanding on that belief in the comments, but also making one of several statements across his comics where he condemns homosexuality as a sin.
While not common in this strip, it does show up, which makes sense given that R.H. Jr. is a pretty solidly Right Wing Southerner (okay, Midwesterner) kind of person and doesn't shy away from using his comics as a soap box.
** Women who actually call themselves Feminists come in for a lot of abuse... but the female characters in the regular cast are strong-willed, sensible, and able to take care of themselves... which is what a lot of actual feminists think a female character should be like. (The hard part is whether this counts as Values Dissonance for the strip or for Feminism...)
*** Given the author's female characters are generally portrayed very positively -- other examples include a WrenchWench in ''Webcomic/TalesOfTheQuestor'' and a girl genius in his short-lived superhero comic Fellowship Of Heroes -- it's pretty much ValuesDissonance with Feminism, especially radical feminism, which is discussed and deconstructed in the strip.
** Then there's [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-58/ this]] [[http://www.rhjunior.com/nip-and-tuck-59/ two-part strip]] condemning transsexuals as mental deviants who deserve to be physically abused until they conform to gender norms, with the second featuring not only R.H. Jr. expanding on that belief in the comments, but also making one of several statements across his comics where he condemns homosexuality as a sin.
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Lily Orchard has a widespread reputation as a crank with well-documented biases and also has multiple allegations against her. I don't think she's a great source.
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* Creator/LilyOrchard: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWBBxVM3hQ&ab_channel=Lily%26MikailaOrchard The Historical Revisionism of "Modern Standards"]] harshly criticizes the common attitude that it's not fair to criticize older works (from back when bigotry and misogyny were more socially acceptable) by modern standards. She uses the examples of ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' and ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', pointing out that even as they were first released, they drew a lot of complaints from black and transgender people respectively. The only difference is that before the internet, it was easier for society at large to ignore the complaints of marginalized groups.
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* ''Webcomic/{{Supermegatopia}}'': One the heroines was She-Male, an {{Expy}} of She-Hulk, whose gimmick was that when she transformed, she'd grow a penis, much to the disgust of her teammates. Nowadays, that would be considered extremely transphobic.
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This would fall more directly under Harsher In Hindsight.
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* In the early [=2000s=], a meme involving Creator/BillCosby on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' talking about ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' became popular on Website/{{YTMND}} and later Website/YouTube due to the sheer absurdity of what he said. Fast forward a decade and it is no longer accepted because of Cosby's rape scandal and eventual prison sentence.
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Wording and structure cleaned up as per the Values Dissonance clean-up thread; this was done before Christmas, but took a little while to get around to adding.
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** The Japanese fandom doesn't like the "crab stance" some female characters take, especially when they're wearing skirts; splaying knees and toes outwards is considered unladylike and not part of the AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits that women are expected to have. Societal norms and a greater preference for skirt-wearing than in some Western societies means that Japanese fans tend to critique exaggerated limb spreading more than many Western fans do.
** Ozpin's big speech in Volume 2 regarding "unity through diversity" resulted in a lot of comments by Japanese fans that "You can tell this was written by an American". Japanese society tends to strongly value conformity and not standing out among your peers.
** In the first episode of Volume 3, Nora belches loudly after eating a bowl of ramen. While this is considered bad table manners in general, the crude and unladylike point of the belch doesn't work so well as a joke as in Japan, so they decided to change it into a modest "Guhhh!" for the Japanese dub.
** Ruby telling Yang she loves her at the end of Volume 3 was said to be "very American" by Japanese viewers since those sorts of expressions are not very common in the culture.
** During the dinner scene in Volume 5, Ruby gestures and points at Ren with her chopsticks, which was uncomfortable viewing for fans from Asian cultures where this behavior is regarded as rude table etiquette. Because Ruby's table manners were not perceived to be a problem within the US, where the show is made, Japanese fans suggested that Rooster Teeth should have someone on staff who can educate the creators on table manners with chopsticks.
** Blake's DeclarationOfProtection to Yang in Volume 6 came off as very romantic to Japanese viewers and they thought it was the perfect response to comfort her, which was why some of them didn't understand why Yang was offended by it[[note]]The common Western explanation for Yang's reaction is that she saw Blake's declaration as an admission that she was only still there out of guilt for leaving during the Fall of Beacon; alternatively, [[DontYouDarePityMe Yang still is a tough girl even when down an arm, and found the declaration insultingly coddling]][[/note]]. A Japanese commenter had even said that Yang's reaction was "very American".
** The Japanese fandom doesn't like the "crab stance" some female characters take, especially when they're wearing skirts; splaying knees and toes outwards is considered unladylike and not part of the AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits that women are expected to have. Societal norms and a greater preference for skirt-wearing than in some Western societies means that Japanese fans tend to critique exaggerated limb spreading more than many Western fans do.
** Ozpin's big speech in Volume 2 regarding "unity through diversity" resulted in a lot of comments by Japanese fans that "You can tell this was written by an American". Japanese society tends to strongly value conformity and not standing out among your peers.
** In the first episode of Volume 3, Nora belches loudly after eating a bowl of ramen. While this is considered bad table manners in general, the crude and unladylike point of the belch doesn't work so well as a joke as in Japan, so they decided to change it into a modest "Guhhh!" for the Japanese dub.
** Ruby telling Yang she loves her at the end of Volume 3 was said to be "very American" by Japanese viewers since those sorts of expressions are not very common in the culture.
** During the dinner scene in Volume 5, Ruby gestures and points at Ren with her chopsticks, which was uncomfortable viewing for fans from Asian cultures where this behavior is regarded as rude table etiquette. Because Ruby's table manners were not perceived to be a problem within the US, where the show is made, Japanese fans suggested that Rooster Teeth should have someone on staff who can educate the creators on table manners with chopsticks.
** Blake's DeclarationOfProtection to Yang in Volume 6 came off as very romantic to Japanese viewers and they thought it was the perfect response to comfort her, which was why some of them didn't understand why Yang was offended by it[[note]]The common Western explanation for Yang's reaction is that she saw Blake's declaration as an admission that she was only still there out of guilt for leaving during the Fall of Beacon; alternatively, [[DontYouDarePityMe Yang still is a tough girl even when down an arm, and found the declaration insultingly coddling]][[/note]]. A Japanese commenter had even said that Yang's reaction was "very American".
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**''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': The Japanese fandom doesn't like the "crab stance" some female characters take, especially when they're wearing skirts; splaying knees and toes outwards is considered unladylike and not part of the AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits that women are expected to have. Societal different cultural norms between the US and a greater preference for skirt-wearing than in some Western societies Japan means that Japanese fans tend sometimes struggle with events, character behaviours and decisions made within the show, often mentioning that the show or characters come across as "very American" to critique exaggerated limb spreading more than many Western fans do.
them. Examples include:
** It is common for some of the female characters like Ruby and Nora to take a "crab stance" when excited or battle-ready; their knees and toes splay outwards, which is regarded as inappropriate by Japanese fans. In Japanese media, girls will instead splay their feet, while keeping their knees locked together.
** Ozpin'sbig speech in Volume 2 regarding "unity through diversity" resulted in a lot of comments by diversity speech generated comment among Japanese fans that "You can tell this was written by an American". viewers because Japanese society tends to strongly value conformity and not standing out among from your peers.
** Inthe first episode of Volume 3, Nora belches loudly after eating a bowl of ramen. While this is considered bad table manners etiquette in general, the crude and unladylike point of the belch it doesn't work so well as a joke as in Japan, so they decided the dub changed it to change it into a modest "Guhhh!" for "Guhhh".
** At the end of Volume 3, Japanesedub.
**viewers observed that Ruby telling Yang she loves loved her at the end of Volume 3 was said to be "very American" by wouldn't commonly occur in Japanese viewers since those sorts of society as such expressions are not very common in the culture.
rarely used.
** Duringthe dinner scene in Volume 5, Ruby gestures and points at Ren with her chopsticks, which was chopsticks; this is extremely rude behaviour in Japan, so many Japanese fans found the scene uncomfortable viewing for fans from Asian cultures where this behavior is regarded as rude table etiquette. Because Ruby's table manners were not perceived to be a problem within the US, where the show is made, Japanese fans suggested that Rooster Teeth should have someone on staff who can educate the creators on table manners with chopsticks.
watch.
** Blake's Volume 6 DeclarationOfProtection to Yangin Volume 6 came off comes across as very romantic to Japanese viewers and they thought it was the perfect response to comfort her, which was why some of them didn't understand why Yang was offended by it[[note]]The common viewers. Western explanation for reactions tend to regard Yang's reaction is that offence as being about the implication she saw Blake's declaration as an admission that she was only still there out of guilt for leaving during the Fall of Beacon; alternatively, [[DontYouDarePityMe Yang still is a tough girl even when down an arm, and found the declaration insultingly coddling]][[/note]]. A can't protect herself whereas Japanese commenter had even said that Yang's reaction was "very American".
reactions tend to be confused about why Yang would be offended at all.
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** It is common for some of the female characters like Ruby and Nora to take a "crab stance" when excited or battle-ready; their knees and toes splay outwards, which is regarded as inappropriate by Japanese fans. In Japanese media, girls will instead splay their feet, while keeping their knees locked together.
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** Blake's DeclarationOfProtection to Yang in Volume 6 came off as very romantic to Japanese viewers and they thought it was the perfect response to comfort her, which was why some of them didn't understand why Yang was offended by it. A Japanese commenter had even said that Yang's reaction was "very American".
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** Blake's DeclarationOfProtection to Yang in Volume 6 came off as very romantic to Japanese viewers and they thought it was the perfect response to comfort her, which was why some of them didn't understand why Yang was offended by it.it[[note]]The common Western explanation for Yang's reaction is that she saw Blake's declaration as an admission that she was only still there out of guilt for leaving during the Fall of Beacon; alternatively, [[DontYouDarePityMe Yang still is a tough girl even when down an arm, and found the declaration insultingly coddling]][[/note]]. A Japanese commenter had even said that Yang's reaction was "very American".
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as it doesn't adequately explain the values dissonance within the work and is worded in a pretty unfortunate way.
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* ''WebAnimation/LoboWebseries'': While Lobo kind of deserved it, him getting raped by a female alien felt misandrist.
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* ''Webcomic/LeastICouldDo'': A LOT of the comic hasn't aged well thanks to its humor now being seen as racist and sexist. This includes:
** Rayne forcing a lesbian employee to out herself to him and then declaring her new name is "Munchie" and she has to watch porn with him
** Rayne dressing in racist Native American garb to mock his boss' new boyfriend who happens to be Native American
** Rayne keeping a Mexican child locked in his trunk
** The fact that 'Street Urchin', a homeless child, isn't allowed to age like every other human character, meaning he is seen as a pet rather than a person.
** Rayne forcing a lesbian employee to out herself to him and then declaring her new name is "Munchie" and she has to watch porn with him
** Rayne dressing in racist Native American garb to mock his boss' new boyfriend who happens to be Native American
** Rayne keeping a Mexican child locked in his trunk
** The fact that 'Street Urchin', a homeless child, isn't allowed to age like every other human character, meaning he is seen as a pet rather than a person.
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* Creator/LilyOrchard: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWBBxVM3hQ&ab_channel=Lily%26MikailaOrchard The Historical Revisionism of "Modern Standards"]] harshly criticizes the common attitude that it's not fair to criticize older works (from back when bigotry and misogyny were more socially acceptable) by modern standards. She uses the examples of ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' and ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', pointing out that even as they were first released, they drew a lot of complaints from black and transgender people respectively. The only difference is that before the internet, it was easier for society at large to ignore the complaints of marginalized groups.
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* Creator/LilyOrchard: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWBBxVM3hQ&ab_channel=Lily%26MikailaOrchard The Historical Revisionism of "Modern Standards"]] harshly criticizes the common attitude that it's not fair to criticize older works (from back when bigotry and misogyny were more socially acceptable) by modern standards. She uses the examples of ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' and ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', pointing out that even as they were first released, they drew a lot of complaints from black and transgender people respectively. The only difference is that before the internet, it was easier for society at large to ignore the complaints of marginalized groups.
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* Creator/LilyOrchard: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWBBxVM3hQ&ab_channel=Lily%26MikailaOrchard The Historical Revisionism of "Modern Standards"]] harshly criticizes the common attitude that it's not fair to criticize older works (from back when bigotry and misogyny were more socially acceptable) by modern standards. She uses the examples of ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' and ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', pointing out that even as they were first released, they drew a lot of complaints from black and transgender people respectively. The only difference is that before the internet, it was easier for society at large to ignore the complaints of marginalized groups.
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* Creator/LilyOrchard: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWBBxVM3hQ&ab_channel=Lily%26MikailaOrchard The Historical Revisionism of "Modern Standards"]] harshly criticizes the common attitude that it's not fair to criticize older works (from back when bigotry and misogyny were more socially acceptable) by modern standards. She uses the examples of ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' and ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', pointing out that even as they were first released, they drew a lot of complaints from black and transgender people respectively. The only difference is that before the internet, it was easier for society at large to ignore the complaints of marginalized groups.
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* Creator/LilyOrchard: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWBBxVM3hQ&ab_channel=Lily%26MikailaOrchard The Historical Revisionism of "Modern Standards"]] harshly criticizes the common attitude that it's not fair to criticize older works (from back when bigotry and misogyny were more socially acceptable) by modern standards. She uses the examples of ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' and ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', pointing out that even as they were first released, they drew a lot of complaints from black and transgender people respectively. The only difference is that before the internet, it was easier for society at large to ignore the complaints of marginalized groups.
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* Creator/LilyOrchard: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWBBxVM3hQ&ab_channel=Lily%26MikailaOrchard The Historical Revisionism of "Modern Standards"]] harshly criticizes the common attitude that it's not fair to criticize older works (from back when bigotry and misogyny were more socially acceptable) by modern standards. She uses the examples of ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' and ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', pointing out that even as they were first released, they drew a lot of complaints from black and transgender people respectively. The only difference is that before the internet, it was easier for society at large to ignore the complaints of marginalized groups.
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* Most readers of Creator/RalphHayesJr's ''Webcomic/GoblinHollow'' webcomic felt he hit this pretty badly when Penny's upbraiding an obnoxious, bigoted JerkAss preacher who had singled her out as a target for his bullying for no apparent reason, something that was perceived as her SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome and a fine example of her CharacterDevelopment from being a BrattyTeenageDaughter to a GrumpyBear DeadpanSnarker with MamaBear traits, was met in-universe by Lily demanding she apologize for causing such a scene in church and promptly slapping her in the face and grounding her for a week when she refused to do so. The author was deeply shocked, even outraged, when the readers were themselves outraged by this and revolted against Lily and Ben being treated as being the ones in the right.
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* Most readers of Creator/RalphHayesJr's ''Webcomic/GoblinHollow'' webcomic felt he hit this pretty badly when Penny's upbraiding an obnoxious, bigoted JerkAss preacher who had singled her out as a target for his bullying for no apparent reason, something that was perceived as her SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome and a fine example of her CharacterDevelopment from being a BrattyTeenageDaughter to a GrumpyBear grumpy DeadpanSnarker with MamaBear traits, was met in-universe by Lily demanding she apologize for causing such a scene in church and promptly slapping her in the face and grounding her for a week when she refused to do so. The author was deeply shocked, even outraged, when the readers were themselves outraged by this and revolted against Lily and Ben being treated as being the ones in the right.
