History ValuesDissonance / Literature

*** Nobody is disputing that last part; the previous person just clarified the reasons why. They made dragons inseparable from their riders because they didn't want any rogue dragons going around eating people and depleting even more of them. And it's not like the riders get off easily, either: They have to spend their lives devoted to their dragons--they can't raise families, they only get out of being dragonriders if they die or get old enough to retire, and I'm pretty sure the colonists didn't realize losing your dragon leaves you a traumatized/insane/suicidal wreck.

*** Fire-lizards do, indeed, eat Thread, although they're usually content to let it drown in water first, if that'll save them the work of hunting it down. The danger Thread poses to them is minimal except to newborn hatchlings too hunger-crazed to avoid it, which is why the humans used dragonets as the dragons' template in the first place. And even if the humans ''did'' have no choice but to create protectors for themselves, why did they have to link dragons so closely to their riders that they'd '''have''' to commit suicide if they lost that connection? (Watch-weyrs don't.) Face it: they engineered a sentient race to suit ''their'' needs only, and didn't leave the dragons any option ''but'' to serve.

* In Kylie Chan's ''Hell to Heaven'' (the second book in the ''[[DarkHeavens Journey to Wudang]]'' series, a boy drugs and [[AttemptedRape attempts to rape]] Simone. Simone, the daughter of [[TheFourGods Xuan Wu]], uses her powers to kill him on impulse, and is convinced she is guilty of murder, or at least manslaughter. The Jade Emperor calls her to the Celestial Plane over the incident, where he '''commends''' her for her actions - in his eyes, she was protecting her virtue, and exercising her right as a princess to pass judgment on a criminal. This just makes Simone feel even ''worse'' about the act.

* In Kylie Chan's ''Hell to Heaven'' (the second book in the ''[[DarkHeavens Journey to Wudang]]'' series, a boy drugs and [[AttemptedRape attempts to rape]] Simone. Simone, the daughter of [[TheFourGods Xuan Wu]] uses her powers to kill him on impulse, and is convinced she is guilty of murder, or at least manslaughter. The Jade Emperor calls her to the Celestial Plane over the incident, where he '''commends''' her for her actions - in his eyes, she was protecting her virtue, and exercising her right as a princess to pass judgment on a criminal. This just makes Simone feel even ''worse'' about the act.

*** Actually, the troper says that Cao Cao was [i]more[/i] honorable and noble than Liu Bei. The joke here is that, despite how bad Cao Cao was, Liu Bei was even [b]WORSE[/b]. Just think about that for a bit.

*** Your argument has several horrible inaccuracies. Fire lizards had a HUGE amount of animosity towards Thread--they were shown to be burning it with firestone in ''Dragonsdawn''. If you're going on ''Dragonflight'' about the eating Thread thing, remember that Kylara the attention-whore is the one who said it. Secondly, the colonists were desperate--their technology was failing, they were cut off from Earth, and they couldn't count on making flamethrowers for even a fraction of their number without using up their preciously low metal resources. At least on a subconscious level, they knew what they were doing but '''they had no other choice.''' On the "saving their own asses" bit: Humans have this weird thing called "self-preservation" that kind of makes them not want to die. Like, I don't know... '''every other living being.'''

*** Your argument has several horrible inaccuracies. Fire lizards had a HUGE amount of antimosity towards Thread--they were shown to be burning it with firestone in ''Dragonsdawn''. If you're going on ''Dragonflight'' about the eating Thread thing, remember that Kylara the attention-whore is the one who said it. Secondly, the colonists were desperate--their technology was failing, they were cut off from Earth, and they couldn't count on making flamethrowers for even a fraction of their number without using up their preciously low metal resources. At least on a subconscious level, they knew what they were doing but '''they had no other choice.''' On the "saving their own asses" bit: Humans have this weird thing called "self-preservation" that kind of makes them not want to die. Like, I don't know... '''every other living being.'''

*** This is very much a YourMileageMayVary kind of situation. The claim of [[ILoveTheDead necrophilia]] only appears in some variants of the story, notably that recounted by the 12th-century Byzantine scholar Eustathius of Thessalonica; the Iliad is silent on exactly what happened. What we do know is that Achilles apparently fell in love with Penthesilea as she died of her wounds, was incensed by what he took to be the disrespectful behavior of another Greek warrior, Thersites (who is claimed in some variants to have [[{{Squick}} cut out Penthesilea's eyes from her dead body]] and killed him, thereafter giving Penthesilea's corpse a proper burial.

*** This is very much a YourMileageMayVary kind of situation. The claim of [[ILoveTheDead necrophila]] only appears in some variants of the story, notably that recounted by the 12th-century Byzantine scholar Eustathius of Thessalonica; the Iliad is silent on exactly what happened. What we do know is that Achilles apparently fell in love with Penthesilea as she died of her wounds, was incensed by what he took to be the disrespectful behavior of another Greek warrior, Thersites (who is claimed in some variants to have [[{{Squick}} cut out Penthesilea's eyes from her dead body]] and killed him, thereafter giving Penthesilea's corpse a proper burial.

* Basically everything in [[DivineCommedy The Divine Commedy]]. Gay, protestants, jews are in hell, there is not much more of a value judgment than that.

** A stand-out instance is the tale of Sir Pelleas and the lady Ettard, whom he has fallen in love with. He proves himself in a joust and thus feels himself entitled to her love, even though she hates him (and it's implied she's not just {{Tsundere}}, she literally hates him). Pelleas refuses to leave her be, harries her, hangs around outside of her castle, and she is described as afraid of him. He's a [[StalkerWithACrush creepy]] guy. And the heroic Sir Gawain gets involved in a scheme to convince Ettard to love Pelleas, because women in those days had no right to decline a passing fair knight like Sir Pelleas, but he ends up bedding Ettard himself. Pelleas demands vengeance - against ''Ettard'' - and in the end the Lady of the Lake uses magic to make Ettard fall in love with Sir Pelleas. Then Sir Pelleas falls in love with the Lady of the Lake, leaves Ettard, and Ettard dies of sorrow. Pelleas gets to become a Knight of the Round Table. SoYeah.

* ''TallTaleAmerica'' has a fair bit of this, but the most flagrant is probably the part that was meant to make it ''more'' morally acceptable. In the chapter on Pecos Bill, he no longer shoots his wife to keep her from starving to death. Instead he ''threatens'' her with this fate to teacher not to "disobey her lord and master" (a.k.a. her husband). Yeah ... that {{Aesop}} wouldn't really fly well these days.

* ''TallTaleAmerica'' has a fair bit of this, but the most flagrant is probably the part that was meant to make it ''more'' morally acceptable. In the chapter on Pecos Bill, he no longer shoots his wife to keep her from starving to death. Instead he puts her on the verge of starving to death and threatens to shoot her all to teach her a lesson about always obeying her husband (the narration even refers to Bill as her "lord and master").