History ValuesDissonance / Literature

25th Jun '16 7:30:05 AM Gowan
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* In Theodor Fontane's 19th century novel ''Literature/EffiBriest'', the eponymous, sixteen-year-old protagonist is married off to the much older Baron Innstetten by her parents. She consented to this, passing up a chance to marry a cousin she genuinely liked, because of his excellent career prospects. This is, for the time and in the opinion of everyone involved, a sensible and normal decision. Bored and feeling constrained in her marriage, she then has an extramarital affair with an (even older) military officer. Modern readers may feel unsympathetic to Effi because marrying for money is now considered by many cold and unscrupulous. This book is remarkable for the amount of AlternativeCharacterInterpretation for both Effi and Innstetten, and how widely opinions vary on which characters readers blame or excuse.

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* In Theodor Fontane's 19th century novel ''Literature/EffiBriest'', the eponymous, sixteen-year-old protagonist is married off to the much older Baron Innstetten by her parents. She consented to this, passing up a chance to marry a cousin she genuinely liked, because of his excellent career prospects. This is, for the time and in the opinion of everyone involved, a sensible and normal decision. Bored and feeling constrained in her marriage, she then has an extramarital affair with an (even older) military officer. Modern readers may feel unsympathetic to Effi because marrying for money is now considered by many cold and unscrupulous. Or unsympathetic to Innstetten because having sex with underage teenagers is now considered amoral. And then there is the fact that [[spoiler: Innstetten kills the other man in a duel and takes Effi's child away from her forever after divorcing her, just so he can keep face; he's not really jealous and was never really in love with Effi.]] This book is remarkable for the amount of AlternativeCharacterInterpretation for both Effi and Innstetten, and how widely opinions vary on which characters readers blame or excuse.
10th Jun '16 10:52:10 PM jverd
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** That's very much true to life. I remember riding my bike all over town, unsupervised, and with my parents knowing nothing more than I was "going out to play." I've often talked with my brothers about the disconnect between that and how we monitor our own kids.
10th Jun '16 1:09:07 PM Doug86
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* ''[[https://mommylolo.com/2015/08/03/what-girls-can-be/ What Girls Can Be,]]'' a picture book released by Hallmark in the 1960's that comes off as downright depressing today. The book was for showing little girls the career choices they had to pick from, which ranged from schoolteacher to typist. The book ends with "housewife." Hallmark also put out a ''What Boys Can Be'' equivalent, which ended with the boy in that book becoming President.

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* ''[[https://mommylolo.com/2015/08/03/what-girls-can-be/ What Girls Can Be,]]'' a picture book released by Hallmark in the 1960's 1960s that comes off as downright depressing today. The book was for showing little girls the career choices they had to pick from, which ranged from schoolteacher to typist. The book ends with "housewife." Hallmark also put out a ''What Boys Can Be'' equivalent, which ended with the boy in that book becoming President.



* Most of the 'imperial' British adventure heroes of the early twentieth century, such as the works of John Buchan (best known for ''Literature/TheThirtyNineSteps''), are similarly jingoistic and not without their tendency to resort to crude racial caricatures; for [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne perhaps]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII obvious]] reasons, they're particularly harsh on Germans. When put up against Drummond, however, the works of Buchan are downright progressive by comparison.

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* Most of the 'imperial' British adventure heroes of the early twentieth century, such as the works of John Buchan (best known for ''Literature/TheThirtyNineSteps''), are similarly jingoistic and not without their tendency to resort to crude racial caricatures; for [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI perhaps]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII obvious]] reasons, they're particularly harsh on Germans. When put up against Drummond, however, the works of Buchan are downright progressive by comparison.
21st May '16 2:51:13 PM ParchedHerd
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* Literature/TheLovelyBones is an interesting modern version. The book ends with the deceased victim and her family both moving on ''without'' justice ever being served, the body being found or knowledge of harm to the killer. This was more than likely intended as AnAesop on what is really important, but by modern standards a lot of people see the ending as bad because there isn't justice/revenge served. Had the book been published back when it took place, the message may have been better received.
14th May '16 7:54:58 AM spydre
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***Similarly, the novel's treatment of Seldon the serial killer (a term which didn't exist in Doyle's day) as a walking personification of pure evil seems a bit reductive by modern standards. Nowadays Seldon would probably be diagnosed as psychotic and declared insane, and many later adaptations of the novel (particularly the Granada/Jeremy Brett version) are more sympathetic towards him.
9th May '16 6:39:22 PM PumpkinMuffin
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** Sara's complaints that she is ugly because she has a slender build, short dark hair, green eyes, and olive skin may lead modern readers to see Sara as SuetifulAllAlong. However, Sara does not in any way match the Victorian-Edwardian image of child beauty and she compares herself to another child who has "dimples and rose-colored cheeks, and long hair the color of gold." Black hair was also not a good hair color to have in 19th-Century British India as it suggested Sara (or her mother) might be mixed-race. Also at various points we get mentions of Sara's "brown" hand and "small dark face".
*** Although the "brown" hand and "small dark face" most likely is not indicative that Sara is dark-skinned by nature, but simply tanned from being outside in India's hot climate a lot until she goes to England to live in the seminar. Similar to the meaning of the words ''"browned"'' and ''"darkened"'' today.

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** Sara's complaints that she is ugly because she has a slender build, short dark hair, green eyes, and olive skin may lead modern readers to see Sara as SuetifulAllAlong. However, Sara does not in any way match the Victorian-Edwardian image of child beauty and she compares herself to another child who has "dimples and rose-colored cheeks, and long hair the color of gold." Black hair was also not a good hair color to have in 19th-Century British India as it suggested Sara (or her mother) might be mixed-race. Also at various points we get mentions of Sara's "brown" hand and "small dark face".
*** Although the "brown" hand and "small dark face" most likely is not indicative
face". Given that Sara is dark-skinned by nature, but simply tanned from being outside such descriptors are used even when she's been in India's hot climate a lot until she goes to England to live for several years, well after a mere acquired tan from playing outdoors in the seminar. Similar to the meaning of the words ''"browned"'' and ''"darkened"'' today.India would have faded, it's clear that she has naturally dark skin.
2nd May '16 12:42:48 AM Kid
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** More a case of SocietyMarchesOn, but we're supposed to see Mary- at least through Martha's eyes- as dysfunctional and hopelessly coddled because at the advanced age of ''nine'' she never goes anywhere by herself. In the same part of the world now, Mary would be at about the minimum age that children would start going out of sight of home without an adult.

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** More a case of SocietyMarchesOn, but we're supposed to see Mary- at Mary--at least through Martha's eyes- as eyes--as dysfunctional and hopelessly coddled because at the advanced age of ''nine'' she never goes anywhere by herself. In the same part of the world now, Mary would be at about the minimum age that children would start going out of sight of home without an adult.
2nd May '16 12:41:52 AM Kid
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*** It's also quite clear that bringing up a small girl in the belief that she's inherently superior to those around her- even her caretakers- is what made Mary so dysfunctional in the first place.

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*** It's also quite clear that bringing up a small girl in the belief that she's inherently superior to those around her- even her--even her caretakers- is caretakers--is what made Mary so dysfunctional in the first place.
2nd May '16 12:40:12 AM Kid
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* In RosemaryWells's book [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17fmi6_morris-disappearing-bag_shortfilms "Morri's Disappearing Bag"]], Morris's sister Betty get's a chemistry set for Christmas. Morris along with his brothers and sisters are young children and Morris is a toddler. [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0tA5dmNlUGY/TQeCSnWzX6I/AAAAAAAAI5o/Vxz_kphxors/s1600/morris5.jpg Each of his siblings (Later Morris) each try to mix actual chemicals such as acid and creating a new gas.]] Since the book was created in 1975, chemistry sets we're a popular Christmas gift given to children along with some being found in various stores. While chemistry sets can still be found today in children's stores. [[http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/cyanide-uranium-and-ammonium-nitrate-when-kids-really-had-fun-with-science/ Back in the 50's - early 90's children's chemistry sets would contain dangerous substances and sometimes would cause an explosion]]!

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* In RosemaryWells's book [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17fmi6_morris-disappearing-bag_shortfilms "Morri's Disappearing Bag"]], Morris's sister Betty get's a chemistry set for Christmas. Morris along with his brothers and sisters are young children and Morris is a toddler. [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0tA5dmNlUGY/TQeCSnWzX6I/AAAAAAAAI5o/Vxz_kphxors/s1600/morris5.jpg Each of his siblings (Later (later Morris) each try to mix actual chemicals such as acid and creating a new gas.]] Since the book was created in 1975, chemistry sets we're were a popular Christmas gift given to children along with some being found in various stores. While chemistry sets can still be found today in children's stores. stores, [[http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/cyanide-uranium-and-ammonium-nitrate-when-kids-really-had-fun-with-science/ Back back in the 50's - early 90's children's chemistry sets would contain dangerous substances and sometimes would cause an explosion]]!
2nd May '16 12:32:50 AM Kid
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* ''Literature/BrownsPineRidgeStories'': Published in May 2014, one chapter ("A Tragedy and A Miracle), that takes place in Telfair County, Georgia in 1937, mentions in passing that an elderly woman had to take care of her grandchild... while at work... as a Cafeteria lady at an Elementary School. The lack of any sort of adequate Day Care for young children of working parents would likely strike some readers as odd at the mildest and at worst, especially working single mothers, as appalling.

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* ''Literature/BrownsPineRidgeStories'': Published in May 2014, one chapter ("A Tragedy and A Miracle), Miracle"), that takes place in Telfair County, Georgia in 1937, mentions in passing that an elderly woman had to take care of her grandchild... while at work... as a Cafeteria lady at an Elementary School. The lack of any sort of adequate Day Care for young children of working parents would likely strike some readers as odd at the mildest and at worst, especially working single mothers, as appalling.
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