History ValuesDissonance / Literature

12th Sep '17 7:04:09 AM XFllo
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*** Though arguably collecting a few free range birds fresh from the woods is much kinder than buying battery bred chickens in a supermarket. Moreover Danny's father was clear about killing the birds cleanly, contrasting this with shooting them for sport, the fate they were bred for (either way).



** Not to mention the MayDecemberRomance that is the feature of ''"Jane Eyre"'': Jane's 18-20 to Mr. Rochester's nearly 40.
20th Aug '17 6:13:06 AM jormis29
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* Although Nancy Mitford's ''Love in a Cold Climate'' is still an amusing novel for the most part, nowadays someone writing a light-hearted comic novel would and should not feature a man sexually abusing a group of young girls as a plot point. This is portrayed as part of the girls' sexual awakening, one of them grows up to willingly marry the man who molested her, (although it doesn't work out,) and it is heavily implied at the end of the novel that said man is going to live happily ever after with a character who is adored by every other character.

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* Although Nancy Mitford's ''Love in a Cold Climate'' ''Literature/LoveInAColdClimate'' is still an amusing novel for the most part, nowadays someone writing a light-hearted comic novel would and should not feature a man sexually abusing a group of young girls as a plot point. This is portrayed as part of the girls' sexual awakening, one of them grows up to willingly marry the man who molested her, (although it doesn't work out,) and it is heavily implied at the end of the novel that said man is going to live happily ever after with a character who is adored by every other character.
9th Aug '17 11:48:34 AM N.Harmonik
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* The post-apocalyptic stories of ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' were written recently, but by an, er, ''right-wing'' author. The aim of the heroes is to restore the social values of small-town early 20th century America throughout the land (with everything this entails for women and various "oppressed minorities"), and this is unambiguously presented as a good thing. They also use extremely brutal means bringing this about, up to and including nuking an American city, but of course this is always justified. Their mostly leftist enemies are treated with hatred, and/or contempt, throughout.

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* The post-apocalyptic stories of ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' were written recently, but by an, a, er, ''right-wing'' author. The aim of the heroes is to restore the social values of small-town early 20th century America throughout the land (with everything this entails for women and various "oppressed minorities"), and this is unambiguously presented as a good thing. They also use extremely brutal means bringing this about, up to and including nuking an American city, but of course this is always justified. Their mostly leftist enemies are treated with hatred, and/or contempt, throughout.
9th Aug '17 11:47:33 AM N.Harmonik
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* This trope is somewhat {[Inverted}} with ''It's Perfectly Normal'', a non-fiction book about puberty and human sexuality geared towards kids aged 10 and up. When it was published in 1994, the book became extremely controversial for its cartoon nudity and in-depth info on sexuality. MoralGuardians came in and banned the books in some libraries, marking the book number 12 in [[http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top-100-bannedchallenged-books-2000-2009 ALA's Top 100 Banned/Challenged Books from 2000 - 2009]] list. [[http://www.npr.org/2014/09/21/350366435/it-may-be-perfectly-normal-but-its-also-frequently-banned According to NPR]], Robie H. Harris, the author of the book, even expected the book to be controversial. Eventually, more children's books about human sexuality were published and sex education became improved for minors, which means ''It's Perfectly Normal'' is not really controversial now.

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* This trope is somewhat {[Inverted}} {{Inverted}} with ''It's Perfectly Normal'', a non-fiction book about puberty and human sexuality geared towards kids aged 10 and up. When it was published in 1994, the book became extremely controversial for its cartoon nudity and in-depth info on sexuality. MoralGuardians came in and banned the books in some libraries, marking the book number 12 in [[http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top-100-bannedchallenged-books-2000-2009 ALA's Top 100 Banned/Challenged Books from 2000 - 2009]] list. [[http://www.npr.org/2014/09/21/350366435/it-may-be-perfectly-normal-but-its-also-frequently-banned According to NPR]], Robie H. Harris, the author of the book, even expected the book to be controversial. Eventually, more children's books about human sexuality were published and sex education became improved for minors, which means ''It's Perfectly Normal'' is not really controversial now.
9th Aug '17 11:41:05 AM N.Harmonik
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*** It's also expected that Éowyn's role in Edoras is to take care of her uncle, though she does ultimate achieve one of the greatest feats of arms in the ''entire book'' by slaying the Witch-king. On the other hand, Éowyn is also placed in command of the defenses of Edoras by Théoden when he rides out to attack Saruman, and later when the Rohirrim ride to answer Gondor's call for aid. This is no small charge, as it means that ''she'' is the one who will be responsible for the last defense of their people should Sauron be victorious. Unfortunately, Éowyn is unable to see it herself in her [[DeathSeeker current state]]. It must also be noted that she complained bitterly about being forced to be her ailing uncle's caretaker when she was a warrior, and the main characters sympathized with her point of view.

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*** It's also expected that Éowyn's role in Edoras is to take care of her uncle, though she does ultimate ultimately achieve one of the greatest feats of arms in the ''entire book'' by slaying the Witch-king. On the other hand, Éowyn is also placed in command of the defenses of Edoras by Théoden when he rides out to attack Saruman, and later when the Rohirrim ride to answer Gondor's call for aid. This is no small charge, as it means that ''she'' is the one who will be responsible for the last defense of their people should Sauron be victorious. Unfortunately, Éowyn is unable to see it herself in her [[DeathSeeker current state]]. It must also be noted that she complained bitterly about being forced to be her ailing uncle's caretaker when she was a warrior, and the main characters sympathized with her point of view.



** The relationship between Frodo and Sam also raises eyebrows among modern readers. Tolkien based their relationship on that between British officers and their loyal "batmen" from the First World War. Frodo is clearly the upper-class gentleman and Sam his servant, and that difference in social classes heavily affects their interactions in the early part of the story. On the other hand, Tolkien certainly expresses a high opinion of such "lowly" individuals, with Sam as perhaps the single most courageous character in the entire book, while making it quite clear that without Sam the Quest would have failed.\\
** Along with this, the frank displays of emotion between Frodo and Sam, Aragorn and Boromir, and many other male characters has created a tremendous FountainOfMemes regarding the story containing an excess of HoYay to modern audiences. Many modern readers aren't accustomed to seeing platonic relationships between men depicted with such outward showings of emotion.

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** The relationship between Frodo and Sam also raises eyebrows among modern readers. Tolkien based their relationship on that between British officers and their loyal "batmen" from the First World War. Frodo is clearly the upper-class gentleman and Sam his servant, and that difference in social classes heavily affects their interactions in the early part of the story. On the other hand, Tolkien certainly expresses a high opinion of such "lowly" individuals, with Sam as perhaps the single most courageous character in the entire book, while making it quite clear that without Sam Sam, the Quest would have failed.\\
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Along with this, the frank displays of emotion between Frodo and Sam, Aragorn and Boromir, and many other male characters has created a tremendous FountainOfMemes regarding the story containing an excess of HoYay to modern audiences. Many modern readers aren't accustomed to seeing platonic relationships between men depicted with such outward showings of emotion.
31st Jul '17 8:29:58 PM rjd1922
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** Lovecraft's stories have lost some of their bite in general for many readers, as they base themselves on the dominant social views of the time -- which, in a nutshell, boils down[[HumanityIsSpecial humanity being created by a loving God and given complete dominion over the earth, and as such knowing everything]] -- and revealing this is not true. The sheer horror that this revelation tends to inflict can come off as rather silly to people who no longer share this mentality.

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** Lovecraft's stories have lost some of their bite in general for many readers, as they base themselves on the dominant social views of the time -- which, in a nutshell, boils down[[HumanityIsSpecial down to [[HumanityIsSpecial humanity being created by a loving God and given complete dominion over the earth, and as such knowing everything]] -- and revealing this is not true. The sheer horror that this revelation tends to inflict can come off as rather silly to people who no longer share this mentality.
28th Jul '17 4:41:37 AM SeptimusHeap
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* In RosemaryWells's book [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17fmi6_morris-disappearing-bag_shortfilms "Morri's Disappearing Bag"]], Morris's sister Betty get's a chemistry set for Christmas. Morris along with his brothers and sisters are young children and Morris is a toddler. [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0tA5dmNlUGY/TQeCSnWzX6I/AAAAAAAAI5o/Vxz_kphxors/s1600/morris5.jpg Each of his siblings (later Morris) each try to mix actual chemicals such as acid and creating a new gas.]] Since the book was created in 1975, chemistry sets were a popular Christmas gift given to children along with some being found in various stores. While chemistry sets can still be found today in children's stores, [[http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/cyanide-uranium-and-ammonium-nitrate-when-kids-really-had-fun-with-science/ back in the 50's - early 90's children's chemistry sets would contain dangerous substances and sometimes would cause an explosion]]!

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* In RosemaryWells's Creator/RosemaryWells's book [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17fmi6_morris-disappearing-bag_shortfilms "Morri's Disappearing Bag"]], Morris's sister Betty get's a chemistry set for Christmas. Morris along with his brothers and sisters are young children and Morris is a toddler. [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0tA5dmNlUGY/TQeCSnWzX6I/AAAAAAAAI5o/Vxz_kphxors/s1600/morris5.jpg Each of his siblings (later Morris) each try to mix actual chemicals such as acid and creating a new gas.]] Since the book was created in 1975, chemistry sets were a popular Christmas gift given to children along with some being found in various stores. While chemistry sets can still be found today in children's stores, [[http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/cyanide-uranium-and-ammonium-nitrate-when-kids-really-had-fun-with-science/ back in the 50's - early 90's children's chemistry sets would contain dangerous substances and sometimes would cause an explosion]]!
20th Jul '17 4:39:54 AM DeepRed
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* This [[https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/400/1*NzNWANeRwXNuNF6LYEbzxw.jpeg 1950s encyclopedia entry on human races]] depicts common racial stereotypes of the day. For further context, it was featured in [[https://medium.com/the-secret-history-of-america/douchebag-the-white-racial-slur-weve-all-been-waiting-for-a2323002f85d this article]] on 21st century race issues.
15th Jul '17 7:55:23 AM Folamh3
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** In ''Death in the Clouds'' (also published under the name ''Death in the Air''), the narration casually mentions that Jane Grey and Norman Gale both "dislike[d] negroes". This is not intended to make them seem unsympathetic in any way.
12th Jul '17 5:48:13 PM AdamC
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*** That's more while Ozma was treated more as a girly-girl who wasn't good with adventures, Dorothy Gale (who was popular enough that a massive letter-writing campaign forced Baum to write her back into the books) was a tough and self-reliant farmgirl who could be trusted to get herself out of trouble. It was to the point that her portrayal in the film is something of an AdaptationalWimp.
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