History UsefulNotes / TheVietnamWar

12th Aug '16 8:57:01 PM ChesterPolarbear
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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, socialists, anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals as well as most libertarians, "paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.

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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, socialists, anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals modern liberals as well as most libertarians, "paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.
11th Aug '16 8:18:44 AM ChesterPolarbear
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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, Socialists, Anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals as well as most libertarians, "paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.

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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, Socialists, Anarchists[[labelnote:]] socialists, anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals as well as most libertarians, "paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.
11th Aug '16 8:11:54 AM ChesterPolarbear
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In fact, any grizzled action hero during TheEighties has a fair chance of being a Vietnam veteran it became such a common source of angst that some movie reviewers took to abbreviating it to "Vietvet".

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In fact, any grizzled action hero during TheEighties has a fair chance of being a Vietnam veteran it became such a common source of angst that some movie reviewers took to abbreviating it to "Vietvet".
"Vietvet". Also, [[TakeOurWordForIt it should be assumed]] that when it's mentioned that a character served in the military on active duty between August 2, 1964 ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident the Gulf of Tonkin incident]]) and May 15, 1975 ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaguez_incident the Mayaguez incident]]) that he is is a Vietnam vet.
11th Aug '16 7:54:04 AM ChesterPolarbear
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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, Socialists, Anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals as well as most Libertarians, "Paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.

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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, Socialists, Anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals as well as most Libertarians, "Paleoconservatives", libertarians, "paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.
11th Aug '16 7:26:27 AM ChesterPolarbear
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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, Socialists, Anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals as well as most Libertarians, "Paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's Conservatives, Nationalists, and Old-Style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.

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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, Socialists, Anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and Modern Liberals as well as most Libertarians, "Paleoconservatives", and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's Conservatives, Nationalists, conservatives, nationalists, and Old-Style old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.



* On ''Series/TheDukesOfHazzard'', Luke Duke fought in Vietnam as a [[TookALevelInBadass Force Recon Marine]].

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* On Luke Duke on ''Series/TheDukesOfHazzard'', Luke Duke fought in Vietnam as a [[TookALevelInBadass Force Recon Marine]].
10th Aug '16 7:04:46 PM ChesterPolarbear
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* Gabe Kotter on ''Series/WelcomeBaxkKotter'' served in Vietnam.

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* Gabe Kotter on ''Series/WelcomeBaxkKotter'' ''Series/WelcomeBackKotter'' served in Vietnam.
10th Aug '16 7:02:35 PM ChesterPolarbear
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* On ''Series/TheDukesOfHazzard'', Luke Duke fought in Vietnam as a [[SemperFi Force Recon Marine]] Sergeant.

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* On ''Series/TheDukesOfHazzard'', Luke Duke fought in Vietnam as a [[SemperFi [[TookALevelInBadass Force Recon Marine]] Sergeant.Marine]].



* Mitch Buchannon on ''Series/{{Baywatch}}'' fought in Vietnam as a Navy SEAL.

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* Mitch Buchannon on ''Series/{{Baywatch}}'' fought in Vietnam as a [[TookALevelInBadass Navy SEAL.SEAL]].



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* Officer Parker Williams on ''Series/InTheHeatOfTheNight'' is a Vietnam vet.
10th Aug '16 6:39:10 PM ChesterPolarbear
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* Gabe Kotter on ''Series/WelcomeBaxkKotter'' served in Vietnam.
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10th Aug '16 6:01:46 PM ChesterPolarbear
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* Mitch Buchannon on ''Series/{{Baywatch}}'' fought in Vietnam as a Navy SEAL.
*Both Fireman Roy [=DeSoto=] and Fireman Chet Kelly on ''Franchise/{{Emergency}}'' are Vietnam vets.
* Ranger Cordell Walker on ''Series/WalkerTexasRanger'' fought in Vietnam.
* Dr. Gonzo Gates on ''Trapper John M.D.'' served as a doctor at a field hospital in Vietnam.


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* Cutter John in ''ComicStrip/BloomCounty'' was injured while serving as a [[SemperFi Marine]] in Vietnam. He became paralyzed outside Quang Tri in a booby trapped tunnel.
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10th Aug '16 5:12:07 PM ChesterPolarbear
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* It's hinted that Glenn Quagmire on ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' served in Vietnam as a Navy pilot during the waning days of the war.
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