History UsefulNotes / TheVietnamWar

22nd Apr '17 4:34:56 AM erforce
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* The ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' miniseries ''Born'' shows Frank Castle's decision to become the Punisher during the end of the Vietnam War.

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* The ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' miniseries ''Born'' ''[[ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn Born]]'' shows Frank Castle's decision to become the Punisher during the end of the Vietnam War.
22nd Apr '17 4:23:55 AM jamespolk
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* ''Literature/TheSympathizer'' starts off in Saigon as the North Vietnamese are bearing down on the city in April 1975. The narrator is a communist spy in South Vietnamese military intelligence, who is sent to America with the South Vietnamese refugees to keep tabs on any anti-communist activity among the exiles.
25th Mar '17 6:34:21 PM nombretomado
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* ''Operation Vietnam'' for the NintendoDS. Like ''NAM-1975'' above, this game has a healthy dose of RuleOfCool and SovietSuperscience, with the bosses being hi-tech, anachronistic NVA vehicles.

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* ''Operation Vietnam'' for the NintendoDS.UsefulNotes/NintendoDS. Like ''NAM-1975'' above, this game has a healthy dose of RuleOfCool and SovietSuperscience, with the bosses being hi-tech, anachronistic NVA vehicles.
20th Mar '17 10:06:10 AM DastardlyDemolition
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* The Catachan Jungle Fighters of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' are equal parts Franchise/{{Rambo}}, Franchise/{{Predator}} and CrazySurvivalist. [[DeathWorld Their homeworld]] is basically how the jungles of Vietnam would have seemed to newcomers and then turned UpToEleven (Vietnam presumably doesn't have man-eating plants or thirty meter-long scorpion-centipedes).

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* The Catachan Jungle Fighters of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' are equal parts Franchise/{{Rambo}}, Franchise/{{Predator}} ''Franchise/{{Rambo}}'', ''Franchise/{{Predator}}'' and CrazySurvivalist. [[DeathWorld Their homeworld]] is basically how the jungles of Vietnam would have seemed to newcomers and then turned UpToEleven (Vietnam presumably doesn't have man-eating plants or thirty meter-long scorpion-centipedes). By living on a DeathWorld the Catachan are a lot tougher than a standard Imperial Guard in the fluff, partially due to being able to grow to adulthood (let alone puberty) without dying.
** One of the most famous of the Catachan Jungle Fighters is Sly Marbo, who's pretty much Franchise/{{Rambo}} ([[{{Expy}} down to his looks]]) if he grew up on Catachan.
11th Mar '17 5:14:33 PM nombretomado
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* TheMusical ''MissSaigon'', which is ''Madam Butterfly'' [[AC:[[RecycledInSpace IN VIETNAM!]]]]

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* TheMusical ''MissSaigon'', ''Theatre/MissSaigon'', which is ''Madam Butterfly'' [[AC:[[RecycledInSpace IN VIETNAM!]]]]
10th Mar '17 7:37:39 PM TheWildWestPyro
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According to [[HollywoodHistory Hollywood]], Vietnam Veterans tend to be old[[note]] (obviously TruthInTelevision now; the youngest men subject to the Vietnam draft were born in 1952, and most veterans are up to a decade older)[[/note]], grizzled, and broken from their experience. [[RealLife But in reality]], things are more complicated. Many people believed they were doing their patriotic duty to stop the Communist Menace[[superscript:[[TradeSnark TM]]]], especially in the early years of the war. It wasn't until 1968 that public opinion, or at least media opinion, started turning against the war in large numbers, although the majority of civilians nonetheless felt that regardless of whether they liked it, they should vote for the war to continue. It is worth noting that Baby Boomers (who were getting drafted) were actually among the groups ''most'' likely to support the war, especially if they were White. The ''least'' likely American to support the war would have been an old poor Black woman from the inner city.

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According to [[HollywoodHistory Hollywood]], Vietnam Veterans tend to be old[[note]] (obviously TruthInTelevision now; the youngest men subject to the Vietnam draft were born in 1952, and most veterans are up to a decade older)[[/note]], grizzled, and broken from their experience. [[RealLife But in reality]], things are more complicated. Many people believed they were doing their patriotic duty to stop the Communist Menace[[superscript:[[TradeSnark TM]]]], especially in the early years of the war. It wasn't until 1968 that public opinion, or at least media opinion, started turning against the war in large numbers, although the majority of civilians nonetheless felt that regardless of whether they liked it, they should vote for the war to continue. It is worth noting that Baby Boomers (who were getting drafted) were actually among the groups ''most'' likely to support the war, especially if they were White. white. The ''least'' likely American to support the war would have been an old poor Black woman black women from an inner-city area, whose sons were most likely to have been drafted into the inner city.
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5th Mar '17 5:32:01 PM nombretomado
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* Nuke is a minor MarvelComics villain who was created as a knock-off/successor to ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, in hopes that he'd helped win the Vietnam War. He turned out to be a barely controllable, insanely patriotic killing machine. His EvilCounterpart status gets pushed up a notch in ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, where he's explicitly referred to as "The Captain America of the Vietnam War", in contrast to the original being "Captain America of World War II".

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* Nuke is a minor MarvelComics Creator/MarvelComics villain who was created as a knock-off/successor to ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, in hopes that he'd helped win the Vietnam War. He turned out to be a barely controllable, insanely patriotic killing machine. His EvilCounterpart status gets pushed up a notch in ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, where he's explicitly referred to as "The Captain America of the Vietnam War", in contrast to the original being "Captain America of World War II".
1st Mar '17 2:04:16 AM DeadlyAssassin
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* ''Film/SkullIsland'' is set as the war enters its final stages in the 1970s, with many of the soldiers assisting the explorers having PTSD from their time in Vietnam. Interestingly, Skull Island itself resembles Vietnam's jungle and mountain environments in a way.

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* ''Film/SkullIsland'' ''Film/KongSkullIsland'' is set as the war enters its final stages in the 1970s, with many of the soldiers assisting the explorers having PTSD from their time in Vietnam. Interestingly, Skull Island itself resembles Vietnam's jungle and mountain environments in a way.
22nd Feb '17 9:21:55 AM gewunomox
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* BruceSpringsteen's ''Born in the USA'', which despite some MisaimedFandom is quite ironic with the whole "born in the USA" thing.

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* BruceSpringsteen's Music/BruceSpringsteen's ''Born in the USA'', which despite some MisaimedFandom is quite ironic with the whole "born in the USA" thing.
17th Feb '17 8:01:03 PM ChesterPolarbear
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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, socialists, anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and modern liberals as well as most libertarians, "paleoconservatives", the [[ConspiracyTheorist John Birch Society]] and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.

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'''Important Note''': As if you couldn't tell by this article, this war and its outcome is still a ''very'' strong point of contention in the USA more than 40 years later, even among people who weren't even alive at the time! Along with The Civil Rights Movement, [[NewAgeRetroHippie hippies]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon the 'Watergate Scandal']], and all the lingering cultural debates of TheSixties and TheSeventies, it was/is one of the key controversies in [[BrokenBase modern American politics]]. Communists, socialists, anarchists[[labelnote:]] (none of the preceding three groups exist to any significant extent in the USA anymore, though there are still enough Americans willing to declare themselves "Socialist" that the label is only ''mostly'' toxic)[[/labelnote]] and modern liberals as well as most libertarians, "paleoconservatives", the [[ConspiracyTheorist far-right [[TheExtremistWasRight John Birch Society]] and many moderate right-wingers still consider the war a [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife senseless waste of human life]] and point to the 'My Lai Massacre', President-for-life Diem's dictatorial rule, and 'Operation Phoenix' as evidence that there [[HeWhoFightsMonsters wasn't]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality much]] [[BlackAndBlackMorality difference]] between the "good guys" and the DirtyCommunists. By '''''stark''''' contrast, the USA's conservatives, nationalists, and old-style liberals[[labelnote:]] (this group in particular ended up thoroughly discredited in the long run, though some politicians like Hillary Clinton retain the worldview)[[/labelnote]] continue to believe that the USA and France before them would have won if not for the (left-wing) public's "betrayal" of the country's military forces, that the BananaRepublic of South Vietnam was still ALighterShadeOfGrey than its Communist counterpart, and contend that more people died because the USA left than were killed by the USA's troops or by its enemies during the war [[note]] In what had once been South Vietnam, ''far'' more people were 're-educated' than executed, though said process wasn't all daisies, sunshine, and rainbows, and it still sent hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives. But just across the border in Cambodia, the anti-Soviet/Chinese-backed communist regime ''[[Film/TheKillingFields exterminated one-quarter of its own population]]'' (1.4-2.2 million), something that was at least delayed by US airpower hammering the Khmer Rouge and preventing them from overthrowing the ramshackle BananaRepublic there. The common argument is that if the USA had stayed on, they would have prevented Pol Pot and the other Communist leaders coming to power, or at least have intervened had the signs become obvious. As it was, the genocide dragged on until Soviet-backed ''Communist Vietnam'' got fed up with Khmer Rouge provocations and rivalries and decided to topple their regime and install a puppet government of their own there[[/note]] and would have been killed if the war had continued.
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