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22nd Sep '16 9:33:58 PM nombretomado
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* Film/BirthOfANation

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* Film/BirthOfANationFilm/{{The Birth of a Nation|1915}}
21st Sep '16 9:32:20 AM Jhonny
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' has you ally with the Sandanistas in Nicaragua and Big Boss is constantly compared to CheGuevara.

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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' has you ally with the Sandanistas Sandinistas in Nicaragua and Big Boss is constantly compared to CheGuevara.
21st Sep '16 6:01:35 AM Morgenthaler
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* MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker has you ally with the Sandanistas in Nicaragua and Big Boss is constantly compared to CheGuevara.
* Any video game with the Soviet Union as a playable faction like in HeartsOfIron, VideoGame/RedAlert or WorldInConflict will likely count as the player advances the interests of the USSR, even if it may be a non canon campaign.
* The Red Line from VideoGame/Metro2033 count, fighting against the Rangers and the Reich (yes, a Nazi faction made up of the race it wanted to destroy and got destroyed by). They are villains more often than not, but tend to be shown in a sympathetic light at times.

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* MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' has you ally with the Sandanistas in Nicaragua and Big Boss is constantly compared to CheGuevara.
* Any video game with the Soviet Union as a playable faction like in HeartsOfIron, VideoGame/RedAlert ''VideoGame/HeartsOfIron'', ''VideoGame/RedAlert'' or WorldInConflict ''VideoGame/WorldInConflict'' will likely count as the player advances the interests of the USSR, even if it may be a non canon campaign.
* The Red Line from VideoGame/Metro2033 ''VideoGame/Metro2033'' count, fighting against the Rangers and the Reich (yes, a Nazi faction made up of the race it wanted to destroy and got destroyed by). They are villains more often than not, but tend to be shown in a sympathetic light at times.
16th Sep '16 10:27:58 AM FF32
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* Anime/{{AKIRA}}. Anti corporatist and anti human engineering.

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* Anime/{{AKIRA}}.Manga/{{AKIRA}}. Anti corporatist and anti human engineering.
11th Sep '16 5:54:53 PM Terran117
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* ''Comicbook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', by Creator/FrankMiller

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* ''Comicbook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', by Creator/FrankMillerCreator/FrankMiller, although it does veer into anti conservative territory at times despite the creator's views as the President representing RonaldReagan is an antagonist while GreenArrow is still a far leftist and an ally of Batman.
11th Sep '16 5:51:34 PM Terran117
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Note that in fiction, the anarchist, democratic and libertarian viewpoints of socialism are what is usually being portrayed. Marxism suffered a heavy blow of popularity in the west due to controversies with Marxist Leninist regimes and Lenin's earlier split with other Communists. Then again, Trotskyism and Orthodox Marxism (depending on when the writers consider the cut off point for "good Marxism" to be before RedOctober or Stalin's reign) may get some love.



* The works of Creator/HPLovecraft

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* The works of Creator/HPLovecraftCreator/HPLovecraft, but note that Lovecraft himself was pretty racist and reactionary for even his time, creating a mass disconnect between himself and his works.



* ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin''

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* ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin''''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin'' and the other works of Sergei Eisenstein will qualify.



* Music/{{Rammstein}} despite playing with a fascist-like aesthetic, they are very outspokenly left wing and have said so in several of their songs, most notably "Links 2 3 4"; "links" being the German word for "left"

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* Music/{{Rammstein}} despite playing with a fascist-like aesthetic, they are very outspokenly left wing and have said so in several of their songs, most notably "Links 2 3 4"; "links" being the German word for "left"
"left". "Amerika" is also seen as a critique of American consumerism and the spread of its culture.
** The members of Rammstein are also all from Communist EastGermany, and despite some of them having had clashes with the former far left regime, many of them allegedly have nostalgic and sympathetic views of their Communist past, a phenomena called "Ostalgie" in Germany.
*** Thus in relation to the above, Rammstein may be a walking example of the CommieNazis aesthetic applied to East Germany, being politically and economically Communist, but with a nationalistic flair.




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* MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker has you ally with the Sandanistas in Nicaragua and Big Boss is constantly compared to CheGuevara.
* Any video game with the Soviet Union as a playable faction like in HeartsOfIron, VideoGame/RedAlert or WorldInConflict will likely count as the player advances the interests of the USSR, even if it may be a non canon campaign.
* The Red Line from VideoGame/Metro2033 count, fighting against the Rangers and the Reich (yes, a Nazi faction made up of the race it wanted to destroy and got destroyed by). They are villains more often than not, but tend to be shown in a sympathetic light at times.

Tabletop Games:
* The Tau from Warhammer 40k come close with a collectivist greater good mentality, but are still divided into a strict caste system. The Imperium on the other hand, when they're not being ANaziByAnyOtherName or ChurchMilitant, are influenced by Soviet bureaucracy.
10th Sep '16 10:45:19 PM WillBGood
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Socialist economist Oskar Lange argued that Mises identified a genuine problem (a lack of economic accounting), which he argued could be fixed by replicating market prices. Lange’s solution was disputed by Friedrich von Hayek in his article “The Use of Knowledge in Society.” Hayek argued that the preference data from which market prices are ultimately generated rests within individual human minds, and that this data only gets expressed via voluntary trades in a free market. Assuming a lack of {{Instrumentality}}, there is no way to access this data and as such any attempt to replicate market prices would fail.

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Socialist economist Oskar Lange argued that Mises identified a genuine problem (a lack of economic accounting), which he argued could be fixed by replicating market prices. Lange’s solution was disputed by Friedrich von Hayek in his article “The Use of Knowledge in Society.” Hayek argued that the preference data from which market prices are ultimately generated rests within individual human minds, and that this data only gets expressed via voluntary trades in a free market. Assuming a lack of {{Instrumentality}}, AssimilationPlot, there is no way to access this data and as such any attempt to replicate market prices would fail.
10th Sep '16 7:35:59 AM JulianLapostat
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Socialists preach of a promised land,\\
Bless you Uncle Son,\\
They won't forget you when the revolution comes.\\

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Socialists preach of a promised land,\\
Bless you Uncle Son,\\
They won't forget you when the revolution comes.\\
land,[...]\\
9th Sep '16 10:36:30 PM JulianLapostat
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This translates into a [[GoodOldWays reverence for tradition]]. Tradition is seen as something that has survived a very long time because it has been useful. It is also seen as vital to the maintenance of order and the status quo. It is order and status quo that are the ''key values'' of Anglosphere-style conservatism; this is a great contrast to liberalism’s favouring of freedom and reform above all else. Edmund Burke has often been called the father of conservatism. While maintaining some liberal goals, he was very concerned with maintaining stability. Traditions and social institutions should not be summarily cast aside, according to Burke, [[OrderVersusChaos as they prevent society from descending into chaos]]. A society is a partnership between the living, the dead, and the unborn, and they must all be considered when dealing with national policy. Although it may surprise some that Burke was actually a Whig, he was an “old Whig” (or conservative Whig) and since the Tories by his time were not so much a party as such a philosophy, he took on many of the Tory principles anyway as a Tory at heart. He was a staunch supporter of British liberties because they were ancient national traditions, but also an "ordered liberty". Burke had previously supported UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution but shocked several English liberals and radicals when he cast himself against the French Revolution and its "radical" program. In the opinion of historians, Burke was reacting not so much against the actual Revolution (whose Ancien Regime was disproportionately romanticized by Burke) but its possible precedent and influence in England. Burke felt that France having no tradition of "ordered liberties" and established order went on the path of radicalism when the Third Estate formed the National Assembly in defiance of their social caste and Royal authority. Since France had no traditions and established institutions to appeal to, they had to radically install new institutions and traditions in a very short order, all of which would necessarily set them against the forces for whom those century old traditions had greater weight than the newly jumped delegates of the Third Estate. To Burke, going against the traditions and the institutions was radical and upsetting to the social order, and would only pave the way for greater radicalism.

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This translates into a [[GoodOldWays reverence for tradition]]. Tradition is seen as something that has survived a very long time because it has been useful. It is also seen as vital to the maintenance of order and the status quo. It is order and status quo that are the ''key values'' of Anglosphere-style conservatism; this is a great contrast to liberalism’s favouring of freedom and reform above all else. Edmund Burke has often been called the father of conservatism. While maintaining some liberal goals, he was very concerned with maintaining stability.stability, at least by the 1790s. Traditions and social institutions should not be summarily cast aside, according to Burke, [[OrderVersusChaos as they prevent society from descending into chaos]]. A society is a partnership between the living, the dead, and the unborn, and they must all be considered when dealing with national policy. Although it may surprise some that Burke was actually a Whig, he was an “old Whig” (or conservative Whig) and since the Tories by his time were not so much a party as such a philosophy, he took on many of the Tory principles anyway as a Tory at heart. He was a staunch supporter of British liberties because they were ancient national traditions, but also an "ordered liberty". Burke had previously supported UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution but shocked several English liberals and radicals when he cast himself against the French Revolution and its "radical" program. In the opinion of historians, Burke was reacting not so much against the actual Revolution (whose Ancien Regime was disproportionately romanticized by Burke) Burke mostly because he had done little or no research on France and based his argument on the memories of a single visit to France) but its possible precedent and influence in England. Burke felt that France having no tradition of "ordered liberties" and established order went on the path of radicalism when the Third Estate formed the National Assembly in defiance of their social caste and Royal authority. Since France had no traditions and established institutions to appeal to, they had to radically install new institutions and traditions in a very short order, all of which would necessarily set them against the forces for whom those century old traditions had greater weight than the newly jumped delegates of the Third Estate. To Burke, going against the traditions and the institutions was radical and upsetting to the social order, and would only pave the way for greater radicalism.
9th Sep '16 10:18:49 PM JulianLapostat
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...Bless you Uncle Son,\\
They won't forget you when the revolution comes.
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