History UsefulNotes / NewRomanLegions

23rd Sep '16 5:53:08 AM incubus637
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However, the country - due to a combination of factors such as lack of resources, scarce indutrial production, inadequate equipment, poor training, inept officers, poor logistics and coordination, mutual distrust between allies and... fighting a war it didn't want against an ex-ally it din't want to fight, all while being forcibly allied to Germany (which most Italians despised) - did not, as you may have guessed, fare so well in UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo; it was occupied by both the Germans and the Allies, lost all its overseas possessions and some of its north-eastern territories.

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However, the country - due to a combination of factors such as lack of resources, scarce indutrial industrial production, inadequate equipment, poor training, inept officers, poor logistics and coordination, mutual distrust between allies and... fighting a war it didn't want against an ex-ally it din't didn't want to fight, all while being forcibly allied to Germany (which most Italians despised) - did not, as you may have guessed, fare so well in UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo; it was occupied by both the Germans and the Allies, lost all its overseas possessions and some of its north-eastern territories.



Due their historical and current engagements, Italian armed forces also have a well-deserved reputation for CombatPragmatism, born from such things as inventing aerial bombing back when dropping bombs from aircrafts had been preventively declared a war crime ([[ExactWords the declaration specified from blimps]]. [[LoopholeAbuse The Italians used planes]]), strapping torpedoes to commercial speedboats and sending them into enemy harbours to sink battleships, developing the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo Human torpedo]] to complement and replace the aforementioned vessels (which had proven useful against [[UsefulNotes/TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austria-Hungary]], but had become obsolete by the time of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII), as well as ''still'' fielding and using [[KIllItWithFire man-portable flamethrowers]]. In spite of this, they have managed to earn and keep a reputation as 'nice guys' when deployed for peace-keeping missions, mostly by honestly policing and bringing food and useful things to the civilians living in the areas they control.

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Due their historical and current engagements, Italian armed forces also have a well-deserved reputation for CombatPragmatism, born from such things as inventing aerial bombing back when dropping bombs from aircrafts aircraft had been preventively declared a war crime ([[ExactWords the declaration specified from blimps]]. [[LoopholeAbuse The Italians used planes]]), strapping torpedoes to commercial speedboats and sending them into enemy harbours to sink battleships, developing the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo Human torpedo]] to complement and replace the aforementioned vessels (which had proven useful against [[UsefulNotes/TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austria-Hungary]], but had become obsolete by the time of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII), as well as ''still'' fielding and using [[KIllItWithFire man-portable flamethrowers]]. In spite of this, they have managed to earn and keep a reputation as 'nice guys' when deployed for peace-keeping missions, mostly by honestly policing and bringing food and useful things to the civilians living in the areas they control.



* '''Carabinieri''' - Created in 1815 (''well'' before the Italian Unfication); served under the banners of the Kingdom of Piedmont; and inspired by the French Gendarmerie), their names coming from the carbines they used as a weapon. The Carabinieri have been historically the First Corps of the Army, and were upgraded to full branch in 2000, just about damn time. They handle serious cases of law-enforcement throughout the country by conducting operations against the mafias, organised crime, and [[SeriousBusiness unsanitary preparation of foods and drinks]] ([[JustifiedTrope given how much food and drinks Italy exports and a surprisingly high number of scams involving altering them, sometimes in poisonous ways]]). During UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo, after the fall of Mussolini, many ''carabinieri'' joined the [[LaResistance Resistenza]], or the Allied forces and fought bravely against the Germans. In more recent times, they're often employed in peace-keeping operations (Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq).

** They are also are the butt of many jokes in Italy, which portray them as BookDumb and simple-minded ("Why do ''carabinieri'' always go around in groups of three? Because one can read but can't write, the other can write but can't read, and the third keeps in check the dangerous intellectuals!") [[note]]The same joke is [[RussianHumour told by Russians]] about their regular police[[/note]]. This is probably because in the past many lower-class citizens enlisted in order to earn some money for their families; despite this, they are still nicknamed respectfully "l'Arma" ("THE Corps") or "la Benemerita" ("The Meritorous") and are well-respected ([[ActuallyPrettyFunny and invent many of the jokes on themselves]]. [[CaptainObvious Telling them such jokes when they're on duty still constitutes an offence]], [[WhatAnIdiot as many have learned the hard way]]). They also tend to be hated by members of the other military forces due their role as Military Police - unless they show up to close the post's refectory for unsanitory preparation of food, as it means the soldiers will eat in restaurants for a while with the State paying!

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* '''Carabinieri''' - Created in 1815 (''well'' before the Italian Unfication); Unification); served under the banners of the Kingdom of Piedmont; and inspired by the French Gendarmerie), their names coming from the carbines they used as a weapon. The Carabinieri have been historically the First Corps of the Army, and were upgraded to full branch in 2000, just about damn time. They handle serious cases of law-enforcement throughout the country by conducting operations against the mafias, organised crime, and [[SeriousBusiness unsanitary preparation of foods and drinks]] ([[JustifiedTrope given how much food and drinks Italy exports and a surprisingly high number of scams involving altering them, sometimes in poisonous ways]]). During UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo, after the fall of Mussolini, many ''carabinieri'' joined the [[LaResistance Resistenza]], or the Allied forces and fought bravely against the Germans. In more recent times, they're often employed in peace-keeping operations (Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq).

** They are also are the butt of many jokes in Italy, which portray them as BookDumb and simple-minded ("Why do ''carabinieri'' always go around in groups of three? Because one can read but can't write, the other can write but can't read, and the third keeps in check the dangerous intellectuals!") [[note]]The same joke is [[RussianHumour told by Russians]] about their regular police[[/note]]. This is probably because in the past many lower-class citizens enlisted in order to earn some money for their families; despite this, they are still nicknamed respectfully "l'Arma" ("THE Corps") or "la Benemerita" ("The Meritorous") Meritorious") and are well-respected ([[ActuallyPrettyFunny and invent many of the jokes on themselves]]. [[CaptainObvious Telling them such jokes when they're on duty still constitutes an offence]], [[WhatAnIdiot as many have learned the hard way]]). They also tend to be hated by members of the other military forces due their role as Military Police - unless they show up to close the post's refectory for unsanitory preparation of food, as it means the soldiers will eat in restaurants for a while with the State paying!



* '''Guardia di Finanza''' - Also known as the ''Fiamme Gialle'' ("Yellow Flames"), from the golden colour of their uniform's collar patches, they are in charge of financial crimes: smuggling, money laundring, drug trafficking, frauds and such. They depend from the Minister of Economy and Finance, but they're still technically a military Corps (like the ''Carabinieri'', although they don't count as a full service branch) so, in the unlikely event of a full-scale war, might well still be employed on the front just as they'had been during WWI. They have a CommissarCap like the ''Carabinieri'', but it's grey instead of black (like the uniform), and with a golden grenade with an upright flame instead of a silver one with a spread-out flame (the female version of the hat is flat on top but looks to be some odd combination of a [[DashinglyDapperDerby bowler hat]], cowboy hat with the sides pushed up to the crown, and top hat. [[http://www.novara.com/public/WAPPS/News/redazione/images/divise_gdf.JPG Here's a look at the female version of the uniform]].

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* '''Guardia di Finanza''' - Also known as the ''Fiamme Gialle'' ("Yellow Flames"), from the golden colour of their uniform's collar patches, they are in charge of financial crimes: smuggling, money laundring, laundering, drug trafficking, frauds fraud and such. They depend from on the Minister of Economy and Finance, but they're still technically a military Corps (like the ''Carabinieri'', although they don't count as a full service branch) so, in the unlikely event of a full-scale war, might well still be employed on the front just as they'had been during WWI. They have a CommissarCap like the ''Carabinieri'', but it's grey instead of black (like the uniform), and with a golden grenade with an upright flame instead of a silver one with a spread-out flame (the female version of the hat is flat on top but looks to be some odd combination of a [[DashinglyDapperDerby bowler hat]], cowboy hat with the sides pushed up to the crown, and top hat. [[http://www.novara.com/public/WAPPS/News/redazione/images/divise_gdf.JPG Here's a look at the female version of the uniform]].



* '''Alpini''' ("Alpine Troops") - They're the mountain troops of the Italian Army; having been founded in 1872, they are the oldest active mountain infantry in the world (and arguably, one of the best). They fought all over the Alpine arch during WW1 and took part in some of the bloodiest battles of that war and engaged in a contest on who would manage to blow up more pieces of mountains with their Austro-Hungarian counterparts (the Austro-Hungarians won: they blew up the top of an Italian-held mountain before the *Alpini* could do the same with them, and at that point they both decided to stop before escalating too much); during WW2 the Corps fought in Greece, suffering heavy casualties due to the valiant resitance of the Greek soldiers, and in Russia, where they were deployed in the plains (as the Axis never quite reached the Caucasus mountains) and [[TheDreaded terrified the Red Army]] by outfighting them ''in winter'' (there's a rumour in Italy that [[WorthyOpponent the Red Army declared them the only invading army that left Russia undefeated]]). After the war, they served in Iraq and are currently deployed in Afghanistan.

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* '''Alpini''' ("Alpine Troops") - They're the mountain troops of the Italian Army; having been founded in 1872, they are the oldest active mountain infantry in the world (and arguably, one of the best). They fought all over the Alpine arch during WW1 and took part in some of the bloodiest battles of that war and engaged in a contest on who would manage to blow up more pieces of mountains with their Austro-Hungarian counterparts (the Austro-Hungarians won: they blew up the top of an Italian-held mountain before the *Alpini* could do the same with them, and at that point they both decided to stop before escalating too much); during WW2 the Corps fought in Greece, suffering heavy casualties due to the valiant resitance resistance of the Greek soldiers, and in Russia, where they were deployed in the plains (as the Axis never quite reached the Caucasus mountains) and [[TheDreaded terrified the Red Army]] by outfighting them ''in winter'' (there's a rumour in Italy that [[WorthyOpponent the Red Army declared them the only invading army that left Russia undefeated]]). After the war, they served in Iraq and are currently deployed in Afghanistan.



- B1 ''Centauro'', ''Tank Destroyer'' (actually a [[NoKillLikeOverkill reconnaisance vehicle]] [[NoKillLikeOverkill which just happens to have the firepower of a MBT]], [[JustifiedTrope and can pull double duty as a light tank]]).

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- B1 ''Centauro'', ''Tank Destroyer'' (actually a [[NoKillLikeOverkill reconnaisance reconnaissance vehicle]] [[NoKillLikeOverkill which just happens to have the firepower of a MBT]], [[JustifiedTrope and can pull double duty as a light tank]]).



- AMX International AMX ''Ghibli'', another good ol' jalopey scheduled to be scrapped "soon".

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- AMX International AMX ''Ghibli'', another good ol' jalopey jalopy scheduled to be scrapped "soon".
3rd Sep '16 7:10:55 AM Morgenthaler
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Due their historical and current engagements, Italian armed forces also have a well-deserved reputation for CombatPragmatism, born from such things as inventing aerial bombing back when dropping bombs from aircrafts had been preventively declared a war crime ([[ExactWords the declaration specified from blimps]]. [[LoopholeAbuse The Italians used planes]]), strapping torpedoes to commercial speedboats and sending them into enemy harbours to sink battleships, developing the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo Human torpedo]] to complement and replace the aforementioned vessels (which had proven useful against [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austria-Hungary]], but had become obsolete by the time of WorldWarII), as well as ''still'' fielding and using [[KIllItWithFire man-portable flamethrowers]]. In spite of this, they have managed to earn and keep a reputation as 'nice guys' when deployed for peace-keeping missions, mostly by honestly policing and bringing food and useful things to the civilians living in the areas they control.

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Due their historical and current engagements, Italian armed forces also have a well-deserved reputation for CombatPragmatism, born from such things as inventing aerial bombing back when dropping bombs from aircrafts had been preventively declared a war crime ([[ExactWords the declaration specified from blimps]]. [[LoopholeAbuse The Italians used planes]]), strapping torpedoes to commercial speedboats and sending them into enemy harbours to sink battleships, developing the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo Human torpedo]] to complement and replace the aforementioned vessels (which had proven useful against [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic [[UsefulNotes/TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austria-Hungary]], but had become obsolete by the time of WorldWarII), UsefulNotes/WorldWarII), as well as ''still'' fielding and using [[KIllItWithFire man-portable flamethrowers]]. In spite of this, they have managed to earn and keep a reputation as 'nice guys' when deployed for peace-keeping missions, mostly by honestly policing and bringing food and useful things to the civilians living in the areas they control.
28th Aug '16 11:44:57 AM Morgenthaler
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->''"The [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German soldier]] has impressed the world; the Italian ''[[EliteMooks Bersagliere]]'' has impressed the German soldier."''

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->''"The [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German soldier]] has impressed the world; the Italian ''[[EliteMooks Bersagliere]]'' has impressed the German soldier."''
25th Jul '16 9:48:04 AM JohnRamos88
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* The '''Reggimento San Marco''' is the Italian Navy's Marine corps; the so-called '''Lagunari''' ("Lagoon Troopers") are under its jurisdiction but, actually, they're the amphibious troops of the Army. Their origins go back to the jolly good ol' times of the Republic of Venice, their "ancestors" being the 17th-century ''Fanti da Mar'' - that is, "Marine Infantry" in Venetian. They're still based in Veneto, more precisely at Mestre (near Venice).

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* The '''Reggimento '''Brigada San Marco''' is the Italian Navy's Marine corps; the so-called '''Lagunari''' ("Lagoon Troopers") are under its jurisdiction but, actually, they're the amphibious troops of the Army. Their origins go back to the jolly good ol' times of the Republic of Venice, their "ancestors" being the 17th-century ''Fanti da Mar'' - that is, "Marine Infantry" in Venetian. They're still based in Veneto, more precisely at Mestre (near Venice).
Venice). The current brigade is comprised of 2 Marine Regiments (Italy's only units of full size, the remaining ones in the Army are battalion sized), and a training and security regiment.
20th Feb '16 6:56:16 AM JamesAustin
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-->''"The [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German soldier]] has impressed the world; the Italian ''[[EliteMooks Bersagliere]]'' has impressed the German soldier."''

--> - '''UsefulNotes/ErwinRommel'''

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-->''"The ->''"The [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German soldier]] has impressed the world; the Italian ''[[EliteMooks Bersagliere]]'' has impressed the German soldier."''

--> - '''UsefulNotes/ErwinRommel'''
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-->--'''UsefulNotes/ErwinRommel'''
14th Dec '15 9:38:33 PM FF32
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* The '''COM.SUB.IN.''' is the élite combat frogmen force of the Italian Navy; their origins go back to WW1 (Italy developed the idea of modern combat frogmen forces). Their rooster: sinking of the Austrian-Hungarian warships ''Szent István'' and ''Viribus Unitis'' (1917, 1918); raids against the British naval bases of Souda Bay, Gibraltar and Alexandria (1940, 1941); sinking of the ''HMS Valiant'', of the ''HMS Queen Elizabeth'' and of other Allied ships throughout WW2. After the war, the early U.S. Navy SEALs were partially trained and advised by former Italian frogmen...

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* The '''COM.SUB.IN.''' is the élite combat frogmen force of the Italian Navy; their origins go back to WW1 (Italy developed the idea of modern combat frogmen forces). Their rooster: sinking of the Austrian-Hungarian warships ''Szent István'' and ''Viribus Unitis'' (1917, 1918); raids against the British naval bases of Souda Bay, Gibraltar and Alexandria (1940, 1941); sinking of the ''HMS Valiant'', of the ''HMS Queen Elizabeth'' and of other Allied ships throughout WW2. After the war, the early U.S. Navy SEALs [=SEALs=] were partially trained and advised by former Italian frogmen...
28th Jul '15 11:02:37 AM ferox
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...we'll only see those with some military relevance (the State and Jail Police, as well as the Forestry Corps, have been demilitarised in 1981, 1990 and 2004).

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...we'll only see those with some military relevance (the State and Jail Police, as well as the Forestry Corps, have been demilitarised in 1981, 1990 and 2004).



* '''Guardia Costiera''' (''Coast Guard'') - They guard the metric fuckton of coastline Italy has, obviously. They work for the Ministry of Transports and as such, they're unarmed; and despite being a police force, the CG is technically part of the Navy. Oddly enough, they seem to prefer the baseball cap.

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* '''Guardia Costiera''' (''Coast Guard'') - They guard the metric fuckton of coastline Italy has, obviously. They work for the Ministry of Transports and as such, they're unarmed; and despite being a police force, the CG is technically part of the Navy. Oddly enough, they seem to prefer the baseball cap.
28th Jul '15 11:01:30 AM ferox
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Italy has had a mixed record on warfare since its unification. While they did a good job during the '''Crimean War''' (1856) and in Libya, defeating the Ottomans during the '''Turkish-Italian War''' (1911) - where the first aerial bombing in history took place - the Italians had been humiliated during the ambush at Adowa (1896) [[note]] during which 40,000 Ethiopians, armed with a few modern guns courtesy of France and Russia and a lot of ''Italian state-of-the-art guns that their emperor [[MagnificentBastard Menelik]] managed to trick the Italians into selling him '''on credit''''', ambushed the 18,000-men-strong Expeditionary Force and cut it down to the last man... not unlike the Little Big Horn. Except he never paid the guns.[[/note]], in what was then Abyssinia, a loss they would later avenge in 1936 under the rule of Mussolini.

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Italy has had a mixed record on warfare since its unification. While they did a good job during the '''Crimean War''' (1856) and in Libya, defeating the Ottomans during the '''Turkish-Italian War''' (1911) - where the first aerial bombing in history took place - the Italians had been humiliated during the ambush at Adowa (1896) [[note]] during which 40,000 Ethiopians, armed with a few modern guns courtesy of France and Russia and a lot of ''Italian state-of-the-art guns that their emperor [[MagnificentBastard Menelik]] managed to trick the Italians into selling him '''on credit''''', Russia, ambushed the 18,000-men-strong Expeditionary Force and cut it down to the last man... not unlike the Little Big Horn. Except he never paid the guns.[[/note]], in what was then Abyssinia, a loss they would later avenge in 1936 under the rule of Mussolini.



And since 1999, women too are allowed serve in the Army - to the delight of an entire generation of drill istructors.

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And since 1999, women too are allowed serve in the Army - to the delight of an entire generation of drill istructors.
instructors.
6th Jul '15 6:39:06 AM EDP
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Italy has had a mixed record on warfare since its unification. While they did a good job during the '''Crimean War''' (1856) and in Libya, defeating the Ottomans during the '''Turkish-Italian War''' (1911) - where the first aerial bombing in history took place - the Italians had been humiliated during the ambush at Adowa (1896) [[note]] during which 40,000 Ethiopians, armed with modern guns courtesy of France and Russia, ambushed the 18,000-men-strong Expeditionary Force and cut it down to the last man... not unlike the Little Big Horn[[/note]], in what was then Abyssinia, a loss they would later avenge in 1936 under the rule of Mussolini.

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Italy has had a mixed record on warfare since its unification. While they did a good job during the '''Crimean War''' (1856) and in Libya, defeating the Ottomans during the '''Turkish-Italian War''' (1911) - where the first aerial bombing in history took place - the Italians had been humiliated during the ambush at Adowa (1896) [[note]] during which 40,000 Ethiopians, armed with a few modern guns courtesy of France and Russia, Russia and a lot of ''Italian state-of-the-art guns that their emperor [[MagnificentBastard Menelik]] managed to trick the Italians into selling him '''on credit''''', ambushed the 18,000-men-strong Expeditionary Force and cut it down to the last man... not unlike the Little Big Horn[[/note]], Horn. Except he never paid the guns.[[/note]], in what was then Abyssinia, a loss they would later avenge in 1936 under the rule of Mussolini.



Due their historical and current engagements, Italian armed forces also have a well-deserved reputation for CombatPragmatism, born from such things as inventing aerial bombing back when dropping bombs from aircrafts had been preventively declared a war crime, strapping torpedoes to commercial speedboats and sending them into enemy harbours to sink battleships, developing the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo Human torpedo]] to complement and replace the aforementioned vessels (which had proven useful against [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austria-Hungary]], but had become obsolete by the time of WorldWarII), as well as ''still'' fielding and using [[KIllItWithFire man-portable flamethrowers]]. In spite of this, they have managed to earn and keep a reputation as 'nice guys' when deployed for peace-keeping missions, mostly by honestly policing and bringing food and useful things to the civilians living in the areas they control.

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Due their historical and current engagements, Italian armed forces also have a well-deserved reputation for CombatPragmatism, born from such things as inventing aerial bombing back when dropping bombs from aircrafts had been preventively declared a war crime, crime ([[ExactWords the declaration specified from blimps]]. [[LoopholeAbuse The Italians used planes]]), strapping torpedoes to commercial speedboats and sending them into enemy harbours to sink battleships, developing the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo Human torpedo]] to complement and replace the aforementioned vessels (which had proven useful against [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austria-Hungary]], but had become obsolete by the time of WorldWarII), as well as ''still'' fielding and using [[KIllItWithFire man-portable flamethrowers]]. In spite of this, they have managed to earn and keep a reputation as 'nice guys' when deployed for peace-keeping missions, mostly by honestly policing and bringing food and useful things to the civilians living in the areas they control.
3rd Jun '15 9:30:21 AM ferox
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-->''"The [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German soldier]] has impressed the world, however the Italian ''[[EliteMooks Bersagliere]]'' has impressed the German soldier."''

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-->''"The [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German soldier]] has impressed the world, however world; the Italian ''[[EliteMooks Bersagliere]]'' has impressed the German soldier."''



* '''"Folgore"''' ("Thunderbolt") '''Parachute Brigade''' - created in 1941, they're an élite airborne unit (among the best in the world) that fought bravely at El Alamein. After the war, they have been deployed as part of peace-keeping missions in Lebanon, Kosovo, Somalia and Afghanistan.

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* '''"Folgore"''' '''Folgore''' ("Thunderbolt") '''Parachute Brigade''' - created in 1941, they're an élite airborne unit (among the best in the world) that fought bravely at El Alamein. After the war, they have been deployed as part of peace-keeping missions in Lebanon, Kosovo, Somalia and Afghanistan.



- ''Giuseppe Garibaldi'' - the country's first aircraft carrier (which will be "soon" equipped with F-35Bs).

- ''Cavour'' - another, newer, STOVL aircraft carrier.

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- ''Giuseppe Garibaldi'' - the country's first first, and soon-to-be-retired, aircraft carrier (which will be "soon" equipped with F-35Bs).

carrier.

- ''Cavour'' - another, newer, STOVL aircraft carrier.
carrier (which will be equipped with F-35Bs "very soon").



And since 1999, women too are allowed serve in the Army - to the delight of a whole generation of drill istructors.

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And since 1999, women too are allowed serve in the Army - to the delight of a whole an entire generation of drill istructors.
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