History UsefulNotes / Iran

1st Apr '17 2:04:57 AM proudeagle
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** Due to the overarching influence of the Safavids as mentioned above, all major Muslim ethnic groups in Iran more or less submit to Shia Islam, even those that one wouldn't expect to be one, like the Arab minority. Outside of Iran, the Safavid influence also reaches some other countries in the region, most notably Iraq (Iraqi Arabs who were concentrated in the villages and towns in the south of Iraq where Savafid influence was strongest became Shi'ites, Iraqi Arabs in the major cities (e.g. Basra) and further north (modern Babil and northwards) didn't convert. The demographic changes in these areas are much more recent, as any look into the situation in Iraq in the 1920s would tell you), Bahrain (though many of whom are descended of Persian immigrants), Afghanistan (the Hazaras submitted to the Safavids, though the others didn't), and Azerbaijan (majority Azeris).

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** Due to the overarching influence of the Safavids as mentioned above, all major Muslim ethnic groups in Iran more or less submit to Shia Islam, even those that one wouldn't expect to be one, like the Arab minority. Outside of Iran, the Safavid influence also reaches some other countries in the region, most notably Iraq (Iraqi Arabs who were concentrated in the villages and towns in the south of Iraq where Savafid influence was strongest became Shi'ites, Iraqi Arabs in the major cities (e.g. Basra) and further north (modern (what is now province of Babil and northwards) didn't convert. The demographic changes in these areas are much more recent, as any look into the situation demographics in Iraq in the 1920s would tell you), Bahrain (though many of whom are descended of Persian immigrants), Afghanistan (the Hazaras submitted to the Safavids, though the others didn't), and Azerbaijan (majority Azeris).
1st Apr '17 1:58:47 AM proudeagle
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** Due to the overarching influence of the Safavids as mentioned above, all major Muslim ethnic groups in Iran more or less submit to Shia Islam, even those that one wouldn't expect to be one, like the Arab minority. Outside of Iran, the Safavid influence also reaches some other countries in the region, most notably Iraq (Iraqi Arabs are famously Shi'ites, although [[CriticalResearchFailure this gets glossed often in the media]]), Bahrain (same as Iraq), Afghanistan (the Hazaras submitted to the Safavids, though the others didn't), and Azerbaijan (majority Azeris).

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** Due to the overarching influence of the Safavids as mentioned above, all major Muslim ethnic groups in Iran more or less submit to Shia Islam, even those that one wouldn't expect to be one, like the Arab minority. Outside of Iran, the Safavid influence also reaches some other countries in the region, most notably Iraq (Iraqi Arabs are famously who were concentrated in the villages and towns in the south of Iraq where Savafid influence was strongest became Shi'ites, although [[CriticalResearchFailure this gets glossed often Iraqi Arabs in the media]]), major cities (e.g. Basra) and further north (modern Babil and northwards) didn't convert. The demographic changes in these areas are much more recent, as any look into the situation in Iraq in the 1920s would tell you), Bahrain (same as Iraq), (though many of whom are descended of Persian immigrants), Afghanistan (the Hazaras submitted to the Safavids, though the others didn't), and Azerbaijan (majority Azeris).
22nd Mar '17 8:07:36 AM SonofAkatosh
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** Regarding Aryan, yes, that's the same word that eugenics (e.g. [[ThoseWackyNazis the Nazis]]) used in the early 20th century to denote what they thought were "pure Nordics" or "Atlanteans". The word has a very long history as can be seen in Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, but the basic gist is that it was traditionally used by the Indo-Iranians to denote their people and their land. This word also occurs in [[UsefulNotes/IndianLanguages Sanskrit]], though the word has morphed to exclusively refer to the Brahmin/noble caste, instead of the entire nation as Iran does. The word was eventually interpreted by European ethnologists to refer to the entire Indo-European nation (as they thought that Sanskrit is the oldest in the family), eventually maligning to refer only to the "oldest" tribe, which eugenics ([[CriticalResearchFailure mistakenly]]) believed was the Nordics. "Aryan" itself means "noble" in the Proto-Indo-Iranian language.
** After reading the history of the word above, if you wonder what the Nazis thought about the Iranian nation, who gave birth to the term in the first place...they actually did regard them as part of the "Aryan" race too, as can be seen in [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg the eugenics-driven racial map here]]. At the same time, however, they only considered the Indians "half-Aryan" (colored green in the map) despite them having equal claim to the term, as the eugenics decided that [[NoTrueScotsman the Indians were already "corrupted" by the Dravidians.]]

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** Regarding Aryan, yes, that's the same word that eugenics eugenicists (e.g. [[ThoseWackyNazis the Nazis]]) used in the early 20th century to denote what they thought were "pure Nordics" or "Atlanteans". The word has a very long history as can be seen in Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, but the basic gist is that it was traditionally used by the Indo-Iranians to denote their people and their land. This word also occurs in [[UsefulNotes/IndianLanguages Sanskrit]], though the word has morphed to exclusively refer to the Brahmin/noble caste, instead of the entire nation as Iran does. The word was eventually interpreted by European ethnologists to refer to the entire Indo-European nation (as they thought that Sanskrit is the oldest in the family), eventually maligning to refer only to the "oldest" tribe, which eugenics ([[CriticalResearchFailure mistakenly]]) believed was the Nordics. "Aryan" itself means "noble" in the Proto-Indo-Iranian language.
** After reading the history of the word above, if you wonder what the Nazis thought about the Iranian nation, who gave birth to the term in the first place...they actually did regard them as part of the "Aryan" race too, as can be seen in [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg the eugenics-driven racial map here]]. At the same time, however, they only considered the Indians "half-Aryan" (colored green in the map) despite them having equal claim to the term, as the eugenics eugenicists decided that [[NoTrueScotsman the Indians were already "corrupted" by the Dravidians.]]
15th Mar '17 10:59:05 AM Mdumas43073
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15th Mar '17 10:58:38 AM Mdumas43073
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19th Feb '17 9:32:40 PM gk3389127
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* Despite having an Islamic government, the country has a relative tolerance for religious minorities.[[note]]With the exception of the Bahá'í Faith, whose persecution kicked up in the early 20th century, and the government (both pre and post-Revoulition), makes little effort to hide.[[/note]] Christians, Jews, and even a few Zoroastrians have had communities in Iran for centuries. This is surprising when compared to neighboring Turkey, which also has a Islamic majority but a secular government, and yet are far less welcoming to minorities.

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* Despite having an Islamic government, the country has a relative tolerance for religious minorities.[[note]]With the exception of the Bahá'í Faith, whose persecution kicked up in the early 20th century, and something the government (both pre and post-Revoulition), post-Revolution) makes little effort to hide.[[/note]] Christians, Jews, and even a few Zoroastrians have had communities in Iran for centuries. This is surprising when compared to neighboring Turkey, which also has a Islamic majority but a secular government, and yet are far less welcoming to minorities.
17th Feb '17 10:41:26 AM gk3389127
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* Despite having an Islamic government, the country has a relative tolerance for religious minorities. Christians, Jews, and even a few Zoroastrians have had communities in Iran for centuries. This is surprising when compared to neighboring Turkey, which also has a Islamic majority but a secular government, and yet are far less welcoming to minorities.

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* Despite having an Islamic government, the country has a relative tolerance for religious minorities. [[note]]With the exception of the Bahá'í Faith, whose persecution kicked up in the early 20th century, and the government (both pre and post-Revoulition), makes little effort to hide.[[/note]] Christians, Jews, and even a few Zoroastrians have had communities in Iran for centuries. This is surprising when compared to neighboring Turkey, which also has a Islamic majority but a secular government, and yet are far less welcoming to minorities.
6th Feb '17 6:20:57 PM Nozdordomu
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17th Nov '16 1:25:48 PM ironballs16
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17th Nov '16 1:24:04 PM ironballs16
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** Just about the only country more reviled than even America is UsefulNotes/SaudiArabia. Iran and Saud are so diametrically opposed to one another that it's a miracle war has not broken out. For starters, the Saudis [[CaptainObvious are in the Arabian Peninsula]], the homeland of both the Arab pan-ethnicity and the entire religion of Islam; Iran is mostly Persian, and has been conquered by Islamic Caliphates at various points in time. Saud is a leading member of the Sunni version of Islam, whereas Iran became the largest Shia-leaning Muslim nation (the schism between Shia and Sunni Muslims [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement won't be explained here]]). Modern Iran was founded on populism (it's not called Revolution for nothing), Saudi Arabia was founded through tribal dynasties playing power politics while Western empires destroyed the last Caliphate. Iran is something of a theocratic authoritarian oligarchy that often settles internal oligarchical differences by polling, while Saudi Arabia is an {{Egopolis}} absolute theocratic monarchy that has a solid division of power between the royal family and theocratic Sunni instructors who run domestic policy. Both are major producers and developers of oil, so they tend to butt heads over the right to regional hegemony. To that end, Saudi Arabia sabotages the countries that are allied with Iran, such as [[WeAreStrugglingTogether parts of Lebanon]] and Syria, and rallies fellow totalitarian monarchies to gang up on Iran. Meanwhile, Iran funds predominantly-Shi'ite resistance groups and terrorist cadres to antagonize the Saudis' allies, such as the Houthis in Yemen and the protesters in Bahrain. Syria is the highest this conflict has ever reached, where many would consider it to be less of a CivilWar and more of a proxy war between the Shias and Sunnis (among other such foreign parties that have a stake in Assad's potential fall).

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** Just about the only country more reviled than even America is UsefulNotes/SaudiArabia. Iran and Saud are so diametrically opposed to one another that it's a miracle war has not broken out. For starters, the Saudis [[CaptainObvious are in the Arabian Peninsula]], the homeland of both the Arab pan-ethnicity and the entire religion of Islam; Iran is mostly Persian, and has been conquered by Islamic Caliphates at various points in time. Saud is a leading member of the Sunni version of Islam, whereas Iran became the largest Shia-leaning Muslim nation (the schism between Shia and Sunni Muslims [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement won't be explained [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Islam is better-explained here]]). Modern Iran was founded on populism (it's not called Revolution for nothing), Saudi Arabia was founded through tribal dynasties playing power politics while Western empires destroyed the last Caliphate. Iran is something of a theocratic authoritarian oligarchy that often settles internal oligarchical differences by polling, while Saudi Arabia is an {{Egopolis}} absolute theocratic monarchy that has a solid division of power between the royal family and theocratic Sunni instructors who run domestic policy. Both are major producers and developers of oil, so they tend to butt heads over the right to regional hegemony. To that end, Saudi Arabia sabotages the countries that are allied with Iran, such as [[WeAreStrugglingTogether parts of Lebanon]] and Syria, and rallies fellow totalitarian monarchies to gang up on Iran. Meanwhile, Iran funds predominantly-Shi'ite resistance groups and terrorist cadres to antagonize the Saudis' allies, such as the Houthis in Yemen and the protesters in Bahrain. Syria is the highest this conflict has ever reached, where many would consider it to be less of a CivilWar and more of a proxy war between the Shias and Sunnis (among other such foreign parties that have a stake in Assad's potential fall).
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