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* NamesTheSame: Nope, nothing to do with [[Franchise/StarWars THAT Vader]].



* JustForFun/OneOfUs: The band seems to be fond of TheWitcher series, having written and performed a tribute song, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rx_AA5GfNE "Sword of the Witcher"]], for a compilation album. Then there's the obvious fact of naming themselves after [[StarWars one of the most notorious baddies in pop culture history]].
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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs (Wrestling/HulkHogan[=/=]Wrestling/RandySavage[=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta The Shark]][=/=][[Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake the Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Wrestling/LexLuger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.

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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs (Wrestling/HulkHogan[=/=]Wrestling/RandySavage[=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta The Shark]][=/=][[Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake the Zodiac [Brutus [=[Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) Beefcake]=]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Wrestling/LexLuger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.
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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs ([[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]/[[Wrestling/RandySavage Savage]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta Shark]][=/=][[Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake the Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Wrestling/LexLuger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.
** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, and he actually started to train in the Team Hammer House. At the end, however, the DSE management opted not to book him in MMA bouts after seeing his poor physical condition in his only match in Wrestling/{{HUSTLE}}.

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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs ([[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]/[[Wrestling/RandySavage Savage]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) (Wrestling/HulkHogan[=/=]Wrestling/RandySavage[=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta The Shark]][=/=][[Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake the Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Wrestling/LexLuger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.
** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, and he actually started to train in the Team Hammer House. At the end, however, the DSE management opted not to book him in MMA bouts after seeing his poor physical condition in his only match in Wrestling/{{HUSTLE}}.Wrestling/FightingOperaHUSTLE.
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* JustForFun/OneOfUs: The band seems to be fond of TheWitcher series, having written and performed a tribute song, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rx_AA5GfNE "Sword of the Witcher"]], for a compilation album. Then there's the obvious fact of naming themselves after [[StarWars one of the most notorious baddies in pop culture history]].
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** ''The Ultimate Incantation'' to a lesser extend, somewhat alleviated by the release of a re-recorded version called ''Dark Age''.

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** ''The Ultimate Incantation'' to a lesser extend, extent, somewhat alleviated by the release of a re-recorded version called ''Dark Age''.
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** ''De Profundis'' has been out of print for well over a decade, and the few physical copies available online are incredibly pricey. It is also absent from all music streaming services, like Spotify and iTunes.
** ''The Ultimate Incantation'' to a lesser extend, somewhat alleviated by the release of a re-recorded version called ''Dark Age''.
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** Originally, Vader was supposed to go over Wrestling/ShawnMichaels for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE Championship]] at ''Wrestling/{{SummerSlam}} 1996'', but Shawn vetoed that, as he was in ego mode at the time. And according to Wrestling/JimCornette, upon signing with WWE, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon wanted Vader to change his name to "The Mastodon", as that way they could trademark the name as they couldn't trademark Vader.[[note]]Due to Creator/GeorgeLucas owning the name "Darth Vader."[[/note]] Cornette talked Vince out of this move, although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to Vince [=McMahon's=] tendency to largely push his own creations. Given how successful Wrestling/MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]] instead of his pre-WWF Cactus Jack gimmick, Vader seems to have a point here.

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** Originally, Vader was supposed to go over Wrestling/ShawnMichaels for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE Championship]] at ''Wrestling/{{SummerSlam}} 1996'', but Shawn vetoed that, as he was in ego mode at the time. And according to Wrestling/JimCornette, upon signing with WWE, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon wanted Vader to change his name to "The Mastodon", as that way they could trademark the name as they couldn't trademark Vader.[[note]]Due to Creator/GeorgeLucas owning the name "Darth Vader."[[/note]] Cornette talked Vince out of this move, although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to Vince [=McMahon's=] tendency to largely push his own creations. Given how successful Wrestling/MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]] instead of his pre-WWF Cactus Jack gimmick, Vader seems to have had a point here.

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* NamesTheSame: Nope, nothing to do with [[Franchise/StarWars THAT Vader]].



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** He was once meant to be a member of Cobra, to oppose Sgt. Slaughter on the G.I.Joe team. The pair were even going to have a few wrestling matches to promote the gimmick.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Both good and bad. Originally, Vader was supposed to go over Wrestling/ShawnMichaels for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE Championship]] at ''Wrestling/{{SummerSlam}} 1996'', but Shawn vetoed that, as he was in ego mode at the time. And according to Wrestling/JimCornette, upon signing with WWE, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon wanted Vader to change his name to ''The Mastodon'', as that way they could trademark the name as they couldn't trademark Vader.[[note]]Due to Creator/GeorgeLucas owning the name "Darth Vader."[[/note]] Cornette luckily talked Vince out of this move.
*** Although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's tendency to largely push his own creations. Given how successful MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]], Vader seems to have a point here.
** Before TheMontrealScrewJob, Vader told Wrestling/BretHart not to get caught in any submission holds. Ever get the feeling Vader doesn't think too highly of Hart in his "shoot interviews"?

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Both good and bad. WhatCouldHaveBeen:
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Originally, Vader was supposed to go over Wrestling/ShawnMichaels for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE Championship]] at ''Wrestling/{{SummerSlam}} 1996'', but Shawn vetoed that, as he was in ego mode at the time. And according to Wrestling/JimCornette, upon signing with WWE, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon wanted Vader to change his name to ''The Mastodon'', "The Mastodon", as that way they could trademark the name as they couldn't trademark Vader.[[note]]Due to Creator/GeorgeLucas owning the name "Darth Vader."[[/note]] Cornette luckily talked Vince out of this move.
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move, although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's Vince [=McMahon's=] tendency to largely push his own creations. Given how successful MickFoley Wrestling/MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]], idea[[/note]] instead of his pre-WWF Cactus Jack gimmick, Vader seems to have a point here.
** Before TheMontrealScrewJob, the Wrestling/MontrealScrewjob, Vader told Wrestling/BretHart not to get caught in any submission holds. Ever get the feeling Vader doesn't think too highly of Hart in his "shoot interviews"?holds.



* Website/{{WrestleCrap}}: The ''Series/{{Baywatch}}'' episode "Bash at the Beach." Go [[Trivia/KevinSullivan here]] for an explanation. It's too stupid to type up again.
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** Before Wrestling/TheMontrealScrewJob, Vader told Wrestling/BretHart not to get caught in any submission holds. Ever get the feeling Vader doesn't think too highly of Hart in his "shoot interviews"?

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** Before Wrestling/TheMontrealScrewJob, TheMontrealScrewJob, Vader told Wrestling/BretHart not to get caught in any submission holds. Ever get the feeling Vader doesn't think too highly of Hart in his "shoot interviews"?
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** Before Wrestling/TheMontrealScrewJob, Vader told Wrestling/BretHart not to get caught in any submission holds. Ever get the feeling Vader doesn't think too highly of Hart in his "shoot interviews"?
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*** Although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's tendency to push his creations. Given how successful MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]], Vader seems to have a point here.

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*** Although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's tendency to largely push his own creations. Given how successful MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]], Vader seems to have a point here.
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*** Although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with McMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to McMahon's tendency to push his creations. Given how successful MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]], Vader seems to have a point here.

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*** Although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with McMahon's Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to McMahon's Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's tendency to push his creations. Given how successful MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]], Vader seems to have a point here.
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*** Although Vader later regretted the decision, because he felt that had he gone along with McMahon's plans, he would have been pushed more due to McMahon's tendency to push his creations. Given how successful MickFoley was with the Mankind gimmick[[note]]Which was also in large parts Vince's idea[[/note]], Vader seems to have a point here.
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** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, but they opted to not to after seeing his poor physical condition in his only match in Wrestling/{{HUSTLE}}.

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** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, but they and he actually started to train in the Team Hammer House. At the end, however, the DSE management opted to not to book him in MMA bouts after seeing his poor physical condition in his only match in Wrestling/{{HUSTLE}}.
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** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, but they opted to not to as he was in a poor physical condition.

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** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, but they opted to not to as he was in a after seeing his poor physical condition.condition in his only match in Wrestling/{{HUSTLE}}.
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** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, but they backed down as he was too old.

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** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, but they backed down opted to not to as he was too old.in a poor physical condition.
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** Knowing his experience and popularity in shoot-style, UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts company PRIDE Fighting Championships once wanted to bring Vader as a fighter, but they backed down as he was too old.
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* Website/{{WrestleCrap}}: The ''Series/{{Baywatch}}'' episode "Bash at the Beach." Go [[Trivia/KevinSullivan here]] for an explanation. It's too stupid to type up again.

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* Website/{{WrestleCrap}}: The ''Series/{{Baywatch}}'' episode "Bash at the Beach." Go [[Trivia/KevinSullivan here]] for an explanation. It's too stupid to type up again.again.
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* PromotedFanboy: [[Music/{{Decapitated}} Vogg]] played in the band for some time.
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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs ([[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]/[[Wrestling/RandySavage Savage]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta Shark]][=/=][[Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake the Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Lex Luger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.

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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs ([[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]/[[Wrestling/RandySavage Savage]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta Shark]][=/=][[Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake the Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Lex Luger Wrestling/LexLuger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.
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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs ([[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]/[[Wrestling/RandySavage Savage]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta Shark]][=/=]Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Lex Luger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.

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** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs ([[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]/[[Wrestling/RandySavage Savage]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta Shark]][=/=]Zodiac Shark]][=/=][[Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake the Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) Beefcake]]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Lex Luger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Both good and bad. Originally, Vader was supposed to go over Wrestling/ShawnMichaels for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE Championship]] at ''Wrestling/{{SummerSlam}} 1996'', but Shawn vetoed that, as he was in ego mode at the time. And according to Wrestling/JimCornette, upon signing with WWE, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon wanted Vader to change his name to ''The Mastodon'', as that way they could trademark the name as they couldn't trademark Vader[[note]]Due to Creator/GeorgeLucas owning the name "Darth Vader."[[/note]] Cornette luckily talked Vince out of this move.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Both good and bad. Originally, Vader was supposed to go over Wrestling/ShawnMichaels for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE Championship]] at ''Wrestling/{{SummerSlam}} 1996'', but Shawn vetoed that, as he was in ego mode at the time. And according to Wrestling/JimCornette, upon signing with WWE, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon wanted Vader to change his name to ''The Mastodon'', as that way they could trademark the name as they couldn't trademark Vader[[note]]Due Vader.[[note]]Due to Creator/GeorgeLucas owning the name "Darth Vader."[[/note]] Cornette luckily talked Vince out of this move.
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* Website/{{WrestleCrap}}: The ''Series/{{Baywatch}}'' episode "Bash at the Beach." Go [[Trivia/KevinSullivan here]] for an explanation. It's too stupid to type up again.
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* HeAlsoDid: Played "Goliath" in ''Film/FistOfTheNorthStar.''
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Both good and bad. Originally, Vader was supposed to go over Wrestling/ShawnMichaels for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE Championship]] at ''Wrestling/{{SummerSlam}} 1996'', but Shawn vetoed that, as he was in ego mode at the time. And according to Wrestling/JimCornette, upon signing with WWE, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon wanted Vader to change his name to ''The Mastodon'', as that way they could trademark the name as they couldn't trademark Vader[[note]]Due to Creator/GeorgeLucas owning the name "Darth Vader."[[/note]] Cornette luckily talked Vince out of this move.
** Was originally going to be on the Hulkamaniacs ([[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]/[[Wrestling/RandySavage Savage]][=/=]Wrestling/{{Sting}}) team against the Wrestling/DungeonOfDoom (Wrestling/{{Kamala}}[=/=][[Wrestling/JohnTenta Shark]][=/=]Zodiac [Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake][=/=]Wrestling/{{Meng}}) in [[GimmickMatches War Games]] at the ''[=WCW=] Fall Brawl 95'' [=PPV=] on September 17. Vader got into a RealLife fight backstage with "Mr. Wonderful" Paul [=Orndorff=] after a taping of ''[=WCW=] Saturday Night'' on August 30. [=WCW=] suspended Vader and then released him from his contract, freeing him to negotiate with any other promotion. Lex Luger replaced Vader in the match, but Vader was still pictured on the VHS release box.

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