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* DearNegativeReader: The band's response to criticism of their self-titled album was quite angry, with Alex infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary. It is generally agreed that this is one of the reasons why the album bombed as hard as it did; leaving a sour taste in people's mouths is ''not'' a good way to sell an already-controversial release, and even the people who actually liked the album generally can agree that they fucked up horribly here.

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* DearNegativeReader: The band's response to criticism of their self-titled album was quite angry, came across as smug and defensive, with Alex infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's Eddie providing his own snarky commentary. It is generally agreed that this is one of the reasons why the album bombed as hard as it did; leaving a sour taste in people's mouths is ''not'' a good way to sell an already-controversial release, and even the people who actually liked the album generally can agree that they fucked up horribly here.
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* DearNegativeReader: The band has enforced this ''hard'' with the release of the self titled, Alex infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary. It is generally agreed that this is one of the reasons why the album bombed as hard as it did; leaving a sour taste in people's mouths is ''not'' a good way to sell an already-controversial release, and even the people who actually liked the album generally can agree that they fucked up horribly here.

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* DearNegativeReader: The band has enforced this ''hard'' band's response to criticism of their self-titled album was quite angry, with the release of the self titled, Alex infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary. It is generally agreed that this is one of the reasons why the album bombed as hard as it did; leaving a sour taste in people's mouths is ''not'' a good way to sell an already-controversial release, and even the people who actually liked the album generally can agree that they fucked up horribly here.
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* GenrePopularizer: During the Website/MySpace era's peak, Suicide Silence was easily the face of deathcore at the time, and their appearance at the inaugural Mayhem Fest did wonders for the band and the genre. If it wasn't for ''The Cleansing,'' ''[[Music/BringMeTheHorizon Count Your Blessings,]]'' ''[[Music/{{Whitechapel}} The Somatic Defilement,]]'' ''[[Music/JobForACowboy Doom,]]'' ''[[Music/AllShallPerish The Price of Existence,]]'' ''[[Music/DespisedIcon The Ills of Modern Man,]]'' As Blood Runs Black's ''Allegiance'', and Born of Osiris's ''The New Reign'', it's doubtful deathcore would have taken off like it did.

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* GenrePopularizer: During the Website/MySpace era's peak, Suicide Silence was easily the face of deathcore at the time, and their appearance at the inaugural Mayhem Fest did wonders for the band and the genre. If it wasn't for ''The Cleansing,'' ''[[Music/BringMeTheHorizon Count Your Blessings,]]'' ''[[Music/{{Whitechapel}} ''[[Music/WhitechapelBand The Somatic Defilement,]]'' ''[[Music/JobForACowboy Doom,]]'' ''[[Music/AllShallPerish The Price of Existence,]]'' ''[[Music/DespisedIcon The Ills of Modern Man,]]'' As Blood Runs Black's ''Allegiance'', and Born of Osiris's ''The New Reign'', it's doubtful deathcore would have taken off like it did.
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* DearNegativeReader: The band has enforced this ''hard'' with the release of the self titled, the drummer infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary. It is generally agreed that this is one of the reasons why the album bombed as hard as it did; leaving a sour taste in people's mouths is ''not'' a good way to sell an already-controversial release, and even the people who actually liked the album generally can agree that they fucked up horribly here.

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* DearNegativeReader: The band has enforced this ''hard'' with the release of the self titled, the drummer Alex infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary. It is generally agreed that this is one of the reasons why the album bombed as hard as it did; leaving a sour taste in people's mouths is ''not'' a good way to sell an already-controversial release, and even the people who actually liked the album generally can agree that they fucked up horribly here.
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* CreativeDifferences: These were ultimately what led to Alex Lopez leaving. He had been drifting apart from the rest of the band for some time, but this all came to a head during the writing process with ''Become the Hunter'', as he could not see eye-to-eye with Garza and Kenny about anything, and Lopez eventually gave up, ducked out, and became a nominal member and didn't try to stop them when they called up Ernie about tracking drums.

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* CreatorBacklash: Chris Garza stated in his podcast that he hates ''Become the Hunter''. This is primarily due to its extremely scattershot and fractured creative process, which resulted in an album that was mostly cobbled together from whatever they had on hand and whatever Garza and Dan Kenny were able to put together while Mark was on hiatus, and by Garza's own admission, the mood by the end was "we have a deadline to meet, just get it done and out".



* HostilityOnTheSet: This was apparently the case with Alex Lopez, as Chris Garza compared their relationship with him to [[Music/{{Deicide}} Glen Benton's]] relationship with the Hoffman brothers on a podcast, and alluded to him being a generally difficult, unpleasant, and unprofessional person who they tolerated on a good day.
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* HostilityOnTheSet: This was apparently the case with Alex Lopez, as Chris Garza compared their relationship with him to [[Music/{{Deicide}} Glen Benton's]] relationship with the Hoffman brothers on a podcast, and alluded to him being a generally difficult, unpleasant, and unprofessional person who they tolerated on a good day.

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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Mitch Lucker died in a motorcycle crash on November 1, 2012.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Suffocation}} Frank Mullen]] was invited to perform at the memorial show, but had to decline due to scheduling conflicts.
** Mitch was to have a feature on the then upcoming Betraying the Martyrs album ''Phantom,'' but Mitch's death stopped that from happening. Betraying the Martyrs did another song featuring [[Music/{{Volumes}} Yung Yogi]] and did a song called "Legends Never Die" in Mitch's honor.

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[[Music/{{Suffocation}} Frank Mullen]] was invited to perform at the memorial show, but had to decline due to scheduling conflicts.
** Mitch was to have a feature on the then upcoming Betraying the Martyrs album ''Phantom,'' but Mitch's death stopped that from happening. Betraying the Martyrs did another song featuring [[Music/{{Volumes}} Yung Yogi]] and did a song called "Legends Never Die" in Mitch's honor.honor.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Inverted. [[https://old.reddit.com/r/Deathcore/comments/5zx597/suicide_silence_fired_their_management_and_agent/ They fired their management before the self-titled dropped.]]

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Inverted. [[https://old.reddit.com/r/Deathcore/comments/5zx597/suicide_silence_fired_their_management_and_agent/ They fired their management before the self-titled dropped.]]dropped]]; by all accounts, every single party responsible for them told them that the album was a terrible idea, that they should shelve it and cut their losses, and that it was going to kill their career, but they refused to budge.
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* GenreKiller: In a way, Mitch Lucker's death was a factor in killing mainstream interest in deathcore (at least temporarily). At the height of deathcore's popularity, Suicide Silence was ''the'' face of the genre and Mitch being the biggest star of the genre. Thanks to Mitch's [[LongHairedPrettyBoy good looks]] and welcoming personality, he managed to get a bunch of young fans into deathcore (intentionally or not). With his death, most mainstream interest faded without its biggest singer keeping interest in the genre or being able to welcome new people into the scene. It wasn't the only factor in the genre's fall, deathcore's falling relevance was hinted at with most major bands from the Myspace era either [[NewSoundAlbum changing their sound,]] going through a DorkAge, or simply breaking up. It took Music/ThyArtIsMurder's surprising rise in popularity and a crop of younger deathcore bands in the late 2010's to give the genre a second jolt of life.
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* GenreKiller: In a way, Mitch Lucker's death was a factor in killing mainstream interest in deathcore (at least temporarily). At the height of deathcore's popularity, Suicide Silence was ''the'' face of the genre and Mitch being the biggest star of the genre. Thanks to Mitch's [[LongHairedPrettyBoy good looks]] and welcoming personality, he managed to get a bunch of young fans into deathcore (intentionally or not). With his death, most mainstream interest faded without its biggest singer keeping interest in the genre or being able to welcome new people into the scene. It wasn't the only factor in the genre's fall, deathcore's falling relevance was hinted at with most major bands from the Myspace era either [[NewSoundAlbum changing their sound,]] going through a DorkAge, or simply breaking up. It took Music/ThyArtIsMurder's surprising rise in popularity and a crop of younger deathcore bands in the late 2010's to give the genre a second jolt of life.
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* GenrePopularizer: During the Website/MySpace era's peak, Suicide Silence was easily the face of deathcore at the time, and their appearance at the inaugural Mayhem Fest did wonders for the band and the genre. If it wasn't for ''The Cleansing,'' ''[[Music/BringMeTheHorizon Count Your Blessings,]]'' ''[[Music/{{Whitechapel}} The Somatic Defilement,]]'' ''[[Music/JobForACowboy Doom,]]'' ''[[Music/AllShallPerish The Price of Existence,]]'' ''[[Music/DespisedIcon The Ills of Modern Man,]]'' As Blood Runs Black's ''Allegiance'', and Born of Osiris's ''The New Reign'' it's doubtful deathcore would have taken off like it did.

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* GenrePopularizer: During the Website/MySpace era's peak, Suicide Silence was easily the face of deathcore at the time, and their appearance at the inaugural Mayhem Fest did wonders for the band and the genre. If it wasn't for ''The Cleansing,'' ''[[Music/BringMeTheHorizon Count Your Blessings,]]'' ''[[Music/{{Whitechapel}} The Somatic Defilement,]]'' ''[[Music/JobForACowboy Doom,]]'' ''[[Music/AllShallPerish The Price of Existence,]]'' ''[[Music/DespisedIcon The Ills of Modern Man,]]'' As Blood Runs Black's ''Allegiance'', and Born of Osiris's ''The New Reign'' Reign'', it's doubtful deathcore would have taken off like it did.
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* GenrePopularizer: During the Website/MySpace era's peak, Suicide Silence was easily the face of deathcore at the time, and their appearance at the inaugural Mayhem Fest did wonders for the band and the genre. If it wasn't for ''The Cleansing,'' ''[[Music/BringMeTheHorizon Count Your Blessings,]]'' ''[[Music/{{Whitechapel}} The Somatic Defilement,]]'' ''[[Music/JobForACowboy Doom EP]]'' and Born of Osiris's ''The First Reign'' its doubtful deathcore would have taken off like it did.

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* GenrePopularizer: During the Website/MySpace era's peak, Suicide Silence was easily the face of deathcore at the time, and their appearance at the inaugural Mayhem Fest did wonders for the band and the genre. If it wasn't for ''The Cleansing,'' ''[[Music/BringMeTheHorizon Count Your Blessings,]]'' ''[[Music/{{Whitechapel}} The Somatic Defilement,]]'' ''[[Music/JobForACowboy Doom EP]]'' Doom,]]'' ''[[Music/AllShallPerish The Price of Existence,]]'' ''[[Music/DespisedIcon The Ills of Modern Man,]]'' As Blood Runs Black's ''Allegiance'', and Born of Osiris's ''The First New Reign'' its it's doubtful deathcore would have taken off like it did.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Inverted. [[https://old.reddit.com/r/Deathcore/comments/5zx597/suicide_silence_fired_their_management_and_agent/ They fired their management before the self-titled dropped.]]
* GenrePopularizer: During the Website/MySpace era's peak, Suicide Silence was easily the face of deathcore at the time, and their appearance at the inaugural Mayhem Fest did wonders for the band and the genre. If it wasn't for ''The Cleansing,'' ''[[Music/BringMeTheHorizon Count Your Blessings,]]'' ''[[Music/{{Whitechapel}} The Somatic Defilement,]]'' ''[[Music/JobForACowboy Doom EP]]'' and Born of Osiris's ''The First Reign'' its doubtful deathcore would have taken off like it did.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Suffocation}} Frank Mullen]] was invited to perform at the memorial show, but had to decline due to scheduling conflicts.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Suffocation}} Frank Mullen]] was invited to perform at the memorial show, but had to decline due to scheduling conflicts.conflicts.
** Mitch was to have a feature on the then upcoming Betraying the Martyrs album ''Phantom,'' but Mitch's death stopped that from happening. Betraying the Martyrs did another song featuring [[Music/{{Volumes}} Yung Yogi]] and did a song called "Legends Never Die" in Mitch's honor.
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* CreatorsOddball: The self-titled. While they were certainly no strangers to nu metal and had been foreshadowing a complete GenreShift for a while, it was still a jarring shift that stands out compared to the rest of their discography, and its legendarily poor reception and near-CreatorKiller status made their return to deathcore with ''Become the Hunter'' a predictable and understandable choice.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: All of the demos and the self-titled EP have been long out-of-print; while the ''Rare Ass Shit'' compilation in 2019 brought back the EP after well over a decade of it being unavailable outside of torrents, [=YouTube=], and the occasional extremely expensive used copy, the ''Family Guy'' demo (the other sought-after rarity) is still very much a case of this.

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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: All of the demos and the self-titled EP have been were long out-of-print; while out-of-print until 2019, when the ''Rare Ass Shit'' compilation in 2019 brought back the EP after well over a decade of it being unavailable outside of torrents, [=YouTube=], and the occasional extremely expensive used copy, the ''Family Guy'' demo (the other sought-after rarity) is still very much a case of this.made them available again.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: All of the demos and the self-titled EP have been long out-of-print; while the ''Rare Ass Shit'' compilation in 2019 brought back the EP after well over a decade of it being unavailable outside of torrents, [=YouTube=], and the occasional extremely expensive used copy, the ''Family Guy'' demo (the other sought-after rarity) is still very much a case of this.

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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Mitch Lucker

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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Mitch LuckerLucker died in a motorcycle crash on November 1, 2012.


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* ThePeteBest: Former lead singer Tanner Womack only appeared on some early demos.
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* DearNegativeReader: The band has enforced this ''hard'' with the release of the self titled, the drummer infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary.

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* DearNegativeReader: The band has enforced this ''hard'' with the release of the self titled, the drummer infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary. It is generally agreed that this is one of the reasons why the album bombed as hard as it did; leaving a sour taste in people's mouths is ''not'' a good way to sell an already-controversial release, and even the people who actually liked the album generally can agree that they fucked up horribly here.
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* DearNegativeReader: The band has enforced this ''hard'' with the release of the self titled, the drummer infamously attacking critiques on the band's Facebook and Eddie's own snarky commentary.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Mitch Lucker

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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Mitch LuckerLucker
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Suffocation}} Frank Mullen]] was invited to perform at the memorial show, but had to decline due to scheduling conflicts.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Mitch Lucker

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