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* AcclaimedFlop: The game was adored by most critics, yet it ended up flopping so bad, it went out of print the same year it was released. Luckily, it's on Xbox's Games on Demand.
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* AcclaimedFlop: The game was adored by most critics, critics and certainly has its fans, yet it ended up flopping so bad, it went out of print the same year it was released. Luckily, it's on Xbox's Games on Demand.
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**That said, it does seem that Suda has at least come to terms with the game in more recent years. He was able to rework his original vision into a manga, and it's telling that an entire chapter of ''VideoGame/TravisStrikesAgainNoMoreHeroes'' is one long meta commentary on ''Shadows'' that even has Garcia killed off in the intro cutscene, yet still remains overly polite with its criticisms. The fact that his company is currently working on a remaster also shows that his opinion on the game, whatever it was at the time, has softened over the years.
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** Originally, Suda and Mikami envisioned a collaboration called ''Kurayami'', intended to be a pure {{Psychological|Horror}} SurvivalHorror game inspired by ''Literature/TheCastle'', though it fell into DevelopmentHell among Grasshopper due to their inability to secure a publisher. Once Creator/ElectronicArts got involved, they had initially been on board with the concept, but then abruptly started demanding changes and reiterations, rejecting any of their more eccentric ideas in the process ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37pVVpzg98 Mikami believes]] that EA had consciously ''lied'' to them at first about interest in the game just to trap them into their whims). ''Shadows of the Damned'' -- being [[MidDevelopmentGenreShift vastly more action-y than it was meant to be]] -- is almost an entirely different game. Remnants of the original concept were later repurposed into a manga called ''Kurayami Dance''.
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** Originally, Suda and Mikami envisioned a collaboration called ''Kurayami'', intended to be a pure {{Psychological|Horror}} SurvivalHorror game inspired by ''Literature/TheCastle'', though it fell into DevelopmentHell among Grasshopper due to their inability to secure a publisher. Once Creator/ElectronicArts got involved, they had initially been on board with the concept, but then abruptly started demanding changes and reiterations, rejecting any of their more eccentric ideas in the process ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37pVVpzg98 Mikami believes]] that EA had consciously ''lied'' to them at first about interest in the game just to trap them into their whims). ''Shadows of the Damned'' -- being [[MidDevelopmentGenreShift vastly more action-y than it was meant to be]] -- is almost an entirely different game. Remnants of the original concept were later repurposed into a manga called ''Kurayami Dance''.Dance'' while the second draft has turned into ''VideoGame/BlackKnightSword''.
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** Originally, Suda and Mikami envisioned a collaboration called ''Kurayami'', intended to be a pure {{Psychological|Horror}} SurvivalHorror game inspired by ''Literature/TheCastle'', though it fell into DevelopmentHell among Grasshopper due to their inability to secure a publisher. Once Creator/ElectronicArts got involved, they had initially been on board with the concept, but then abruptly started demanding changes and reiterations, rejecting any of their more eccentric ideas in the process ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37pVVpzg98 Mikami believes]] that EA had consciously ''lied'' to them at first about interest in the game just to trap them into their whims). ''Shadows of the Damned'' -- being [[MidDevelopmentGenreShift vastly more action-y than it was meant to be]] -- is almost an entirely different game. Remnants of the original concept were later repurposed into a manga called ''Kurayami Dance''.
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* [[BannedInChina Banned in Germany]]: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted!]] Creator/ElectronicArts is allowed to release this '''uncut''' in Germany. ''Nobody'' expected this.%%Not an exaggeration: "Nobody" as in: Not a single person.
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** Originally, Suda and Mikami envisioned a collaboration called ''Kurayami'', intended to be a pure {{Psychological|Horror}} SurvivalHorror game inspired by ''Literature/TheCastle'', though it fell into DevelopmentHell among Grasshopper due to their inability to secure a publisher. Once Creator/ElectronicArts got involved, they had initially been on board with the concept, but then abruptly started demanding changes and reiterations, rejecting any of their more eccentric ideas in the process ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37pVVpzg98 Mikami believes]] that EA had consciously ''lied'' to them at first about interest in the game just to trap them into their whims). ''Shadows of the Damned'' -- being [[MidDevelopmentGenreShift vastly more action-y than it was meant to be]] -- is almost an entirely different game.
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* AcclaimedFlop: The game was adored by most critics, yet it ended up flopping so bad, it went out of print the same year it was released. Luckily, it's on Xbox's Games On on Demand.
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** Originally, Garcia would have started up without a gun, and would gradually acquire weapons over thecourse of the game. EA decided to have him start with one from the get-go because "westerners are about guns."
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** Originally, Garcia would have started up without a gun, and would gradually acquire weapons over thecourse the course of the game.game with the ability to purchase clothes. EA decided to have him start with one from the get-go because "westerners are about guns."
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Well, it's an extremely creative director working with a company like EA - of course his vision isn't going to be intact. The presence of guns in the game at all was EA's demand, for example.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Suda says that he would have liked to [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-suda-admits-shadows-of-the-damned-regret add online multiplayer in some functionality]].
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Suda says that he would have liked to [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-suda-admits-shadows-of-the-damned-regret add online multiplayer in some functionality]].
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* CreatorBacklash: Thanks to the ExecutiveMeddling below, Shinji Mikami said he was somewhat disappointed by the final product, and that Suda was heartbroken.
-->''"It became a completely different game. That was a bit disappointing. I think Suda was unable to create the scenario he'd originally had in his head, and he rewrote the scenario several times. I think his heart was broken. He's such a unique creator, so it seems to me that he was not quite comfortable with making this game."''
* ExecutiveMeddling: Well, it's an extremely creative director working with a company like EA - of course his vision isn't going to be intact. The game had gone through 5 design versions over its development until it was approved. The presence of guns in the game at all was EA's demand, for example.
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** Originally, Garcia would have started up without a gun, and would gradually acquire weapons over thecourse of the game. EA decided to have him start with one from the get-go because "westerners are about guns."
** Paula was initially designed as living inside Garcia's gun that would hop around like a rabbit, leading to a love story between them. EA was unable to grasp the concept, and it was eventually changed to the talking skull Johnson.
** Suda says that he would have liked to [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-suda-admits-shadows-of-the-damned-regret add online multiplayer in somefunctionality]].functionality]].
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-->''"It became a completely different game. That was a bit disappointing. I think Suda was unable to create the scenario he'd originally had in his head, and he rewrote the scenario several times. I think his heart was broken. He's such a unique creator, so it seems to me that he was not quite comfortable with making this game."''
* ExecutiveMeddling: Well, it's an extremely creative director working with a company like EA - of course his vision isn't going to be intact. The game had gone through 5 design versions over its development until it was approved. The presence of guns in the game at all was EA's demand, for example.
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** Originally, Garcia would have started up without a gun, and would gradually acquire weapons over thecourse of the game. EA decided to have him start with one from the get-go because "westerners are about guns."
** Paula was initially designed as living inside Garcia's gun that would hop around like a rabbit, leading to a love story between them. EA was unable to grasp the concept, and it was eventually changed to the talking skull Johnson.
** Suda says that he would have liked to [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-suda-admits-shadows-of-the-damned-regret add online multiplayer in some
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it is definitely not on psn. can't verify xbox
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* AcclaimedFlop: The game was adored by most critics, yet it ended up flopping so bad, it went out of print the same year it was released. Luckily, it's on Xbox's Games On Demand and PSN.Demand.
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** Creator/SteveBlum is Garcia.
** Greg Ellis ([[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Doctor Fate]]) is Johnson.
** Julianne Buescher ([[Manga/{{Naruto}} Anko Mitarashi]]) is Paula.
** Paul Mercier ([[VideoGame/ResidentEvil4 Leon Kennedy]]) is Fleming.
** Creator/CamClarke is Christopher.
** Creator/TaraStrong is Justine.
** Creator/YuriLowenthal is Elliot.
** Creator/MaryElizabethMcGlynn once again collaborates with [[SilentHill Akira Yamaoka]], but she's also joined by Creator/TroyBaker in doing the vocals for the game's music.
** Marcella Lentz Pope ([[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Jin]]) is Sister Grim Bokusatsu.
** Susan Blakeslee ([[Franchise/KingdomHearts Maleficent]]) is Sister Grim Shisatsu.
** Julie Nathanson ([[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Ro]] [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Rowen]]) is Sister Grim Kosatsu.
** James C. Mathis III ([[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes Black Panther]]) is X and Beast.
** Creator/SteveBlum is Garcia.
** Greg Ellis ([[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Doctor Fate]]) is Johnson.
** Julianne Buescher ([[Manga/{{Naruto}} Anko Mitarashi]]) is Paula.
** Paul Mercier ([[VideoGame/ResidentEvil4 Leon Kennedy]]) is Fleming.
** Creator/CamClarke is Christopher.
** Creator/TaraStrong is Justine.
** Creator/YuriLowenthal is Elliot.
** Creator/MaryElizabethMcGlynn once again collaborates with [[SilentHill Akira Yamaoka]], but she's also joined by Creator/TroyBaker in doing the vocals for the game's music.
** Marcella Lentz Pope ([[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Jin]]) is Sister Grim Bokusatsu.
** Susan Blakeslee ([[Franchise/KingdomHearts Maleficent]]) is Sister Grim Shisatsu.
** Julie Nathanson ([[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Ro]] [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Rowen]]) is Sister Grim Kosatsu.
** James C. Mathis III ([[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes Black Panther]]) is X and Beast.
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** James C. Mathis III ([[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes Black Panther]]) is X and Beast.
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** James C. Mathis III ([[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes ([[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes Black Panther]]) is X and Beast.
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* [[BannedInChina Banned in Germany]]: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted!]] {{EA}} is allowed to release this '''uncut''' in Germany. ''Nobody'' expected this.%%Not an exaggeration: "Nobody" as in: Not a single person.
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* [[BannedInChina Banned in Germany]]: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted!]] {{EA}} Creator/ElectronicArts is allowed to release this '''uncut''' in Germany. ''Nobody'' expected this.%%Not an exaggeration: "Nobody" as in: Not a single person.
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* AcclaimedFlop: The game was ADORED by most critics, yet it ended up flopping so bad, it went out of print the same year it was released. Ouch. Lucky it's on X-box's Games On Demand and PSN.
* [[BannedInChina Banned in Germany]]: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted!]] {{EA}} is allowed to release this '''uncut''' in Germany. NOBODY expected this.%%Not an exaggeration: "Nobody" as in: Not a single person.
* [[BannedInChina Banned in Germany]]: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted!]] {{EA}} is allowed to release this '''uncut''' in Germany. NOBODY expected this.%%Not an exaggeration: "Nobody" as in: Not a single person.
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* AcclaimedFlop: The game was ADORED adored by most critics, yet it ended up flopping so bad, it went out of print the same year it was released. Ouch. Lucky Luckily, it's on X-box's Xbox's Games On Demand and PSN.
* [[BannedInChina Banned in Germany]]: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted!]] {{EA}} is allowed to release this '''uncut''' in Germany.NOBODY ''Nobody'' expected this.%%Not an exaggeration: "Nobody" as in: Not a single person.
* [[BannedInChina Banned in Germany]]: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted!]] {{EA}} is allowed to release this '''uncut''' in Germany.
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** Creator/SteveBlum is Garcia[[note]]"Fucking" Hotspur[[/note]]
** [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Greg]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Ellis]] is Johnson
** [[Anime/{{Naruto}} Julianne]] [[SidTheScienceKid Buescher]] is Paula
** [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Paul]] [[VideoGame/SOCOMUSNavySeals Mercier]] is Fleming
** Creator/CamClarke is Christopher
** Creator/TaraStrong is Justine
** Creator/YuriLowenthal is Elliot
** Creator/MaryElizabethMcGlynn once again collaborates with [[SilentHill Akira Yamaoka]] but she is also joined by Creator/TroyBaker in doing the vocals for the game's music.
** [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Greg]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Ellis]] is Johnson
** [[Anime/{{Naruto}} Julianne]] [[SidTheScienceKid Buescher]] is Paula
** [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Paul]] [[VideoGame/SOCOMUSNavySeals Mercier]] is Fleming
** Creator/CamClarke is Christopher
** Creator/TaraStrong is Justine
** Creator/YuriLowenthal is Elliot
** Creator/MaryElizabethMcGlynn once again collaborates with [[SilentHill Akira Yamaoka]] but she is also joined by Creator/TroyBaker in doing the vocals for the game's music.
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** Creator/SteveBlum is Garcia[[note]]"Fucking" Hotspur[[/note]]
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**[[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Greg]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Ellis]] Greg Ellis ([[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Doctor Fate]]) is Johnson
Johnson.
**[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Julianne]] [[SidTheScienceKid Buescher]] Julianne Buescher ([[Manga/{{Naruto}} Anko Mitarashi]]) is Paula
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**[[Franchise/ResidentEvil Paul]] [[VideoGame/SOCOMUSNavySeals Mercier]] Paul Mercier ([[VideoGame/ResidentEvil4 Leon Kennedy]]) is Fleming
Fleming.
** Creator/CamClarke isChristopher
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** Creator/TaraStrong isJustine
Justine.
** Creator/YuriLowenthal isElliot
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** Creator/MaryElizabethMcGlynn once again collaborates with [[SilentHill AkiraYamaoka]] Yamaoka]], but she is she's also joined by Creator/TroyBaker in doing the vocals for the game's music.music.
** Marcella Lentz Pope ([[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Jin]]) is Sister Grim Bokusatsu.
** Susan Blakeslee ([[Franchise/KingdomHearts Maleficent]]) is Sister Grim Shisatsu.
** Julie Nathanson ([[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Ro]] [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Rowen]]) is Sister Grim Kosatsu.
** James C. Mathis III ([[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes Black Panther]]) is X and Beast.
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** Creator/CamClarke is
** Creator/TaraStrong is
** Creator/YuriLowenthal is
** Creator/MaryElizabethMcGlynn once again collaborates with [[SilentHill Akira
** Marcella Lentz Pope ([[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Jin]]) is Sister Grim Bokusatsu.
** Susan Blakeslee ([[Franchise/KingdomHearts Maleficent]]) is Sister Grim Shisatsu.
** Julie Nathanson ([[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Ro]] [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Rowen]]) is Sister Grim Kosatsu.
** James C. Mathis III ([[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes Black Panther]]) is X and Beast.
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** YuriLowenthal is Elliot
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** CamClarke Creator/CamClarke is Christopher
**TaraStrong Creator/TaraStrong is Justine
**YuriLowenthal Creator/YuriLowenthal is Elliot
**MaryElizabethMcGlynn Creator/MaryElizabethMcGlynn once again collaborates with [[SilentHill Akira Yamaoka]] but she is also joined by TroyBaker Creator/TroyBaker in doing the vocals for the game's music.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Suda says that he would have liked to [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-suda-admits-shadows-of-the-damned-regret add online multiplayer in some functionality]].
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Suda says that he would have liked to [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-suda-admits-shadows-of-the-damned-regret add online multiplayer in some functionality]].
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** Lucky its on X-box on demand and PSN.
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* AcclaimedFlop: The game was ADORED by most critics, yet it ended up flopping so bad, it went out of print the same year it was released. Ouch.
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** [[{{Naruto}} Julianne]] [[SidTheScienceKid Buescher]] is Paula
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** [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Greg]] [[BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Ellis]] is Johnson
**[[{{Naruto}} [[Anime/{{Naruto}} Julianne]] [[SidTheScienceKid Buescher]] is Paula
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