History Trivia / GenesisBand

* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Attempts were made to make a movie out of ''The Lamb'' since the late 1970s, including talks with ''The Exorcist'' director William Fredkin, but nothing came to fruition.
** When the band was forming ideas for what would become 1974's ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'', Mike Rutherford suggested composing a song cycle loosely based on Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's novella ''The Little Prince''. Gabriel, however, had a singular vision for the record and ultimately wrote the lyrics for ''The Lamb'' on his own, with a [[DarkerAndEdgier edgier]] tone, and with an American protagonist.

** The ''Little Prince''-inspired tracks on ''Duke'' were meant to be a suite taking up one side, yet in the end the band didn't want the composition compared to similar songs such as "Supper's Ready" and felt leaving the tracks together would have given the record a noticeably weaker B-side, and make the songs harder to release as potential singles.

* OldShame: Phil Collins has mentioned in internet postings not to be a fan of 'Match of the Day', from the ''Spot the Pigeon'' EP, which is probably why that track was left off of 2000's ''Genesis Archives #2'' boxset, where 'Pigeons' and 'Inside and Out' were included. However, all three songs are included in the ''Genesis 1976–1982'' boxset and the EP was repressed on vinyl in 2012, making the song easily available again.
** He hasn't spoken fondly of the music video for "A Trick of the Tail", either, mentioning in a 1994 Creator/{{VH1}} interview that he considers it one of the most embarrassing videos of his career.

* CreatorKiller: While the writing had been on the wall since the late 80's, the double whammy of Collins' 1996 departure and ''Calling All Stations'' the following year damaged the band's reputation to the point of no return. They were already facing heat for abandoning their prog rock roots in favor of the more mainstream sound Collins preferred since Gabriel left, a split that became apparent with the release of ''Invisible Touch''. But with Collins deciding to focus on his solo work, Rutherford and Banks were the only original members left, and the group had to hastily assemble ''Calling All Stations'' in order to stay afloat. The result was a complete mess from top to bottom, resulting in one of the most critically-panned albums of the 90's. The group broke up not long after their concert tour to promote the album flopped.
* FakeAmerican: Rael, the protagonist in ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway''. A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But in the song "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging", he does anyway.

** Also in the song "Back in NYC", Rael says "your progressive hypocrites". An American (of the time, anyway) would probably have called them "liberal hypocrites".

** In 1979, Gabriel asked Collins to play drums on his third solo album. Upon recording "Intruder", their producer Hugh Padgham, testing out his new recording console, accidentally recorded Phil's drums and it picked out [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxz6jShW-3E a thick, punchy reverb that disappeared in an instant]]. That is how the "gated reverb", the sound of TheEighties, was born.

* BigNameFan: {{Inverted|Trope}} with Richard Hammond of the BBC's ''Series/TopGear'' and Amazon's ''Series/TheGrandTour''. He's known to have been vocal of his notorious '''dis'''like for Genesis's music, to the point where his co-star Jeremy Clarkson sometimes uses their work (Particularly "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tFQMjc-IE I Know What You Like (In Your Wardrobe)]]") to {{Troll}} the living shit out of him.

** While Steve Hackett's leaving was amicable (both Collins and Rutherford contributed to his first solo album, ''Voyage of the Acolyte'', released before he left the band) the 2014 documentary ''Together and Apart'' (broadcast as ''Sum of the Parts'' in the US), a film supposedly meant to touch on both the band's long life and the noteworthy solo careers of all the band members, gives Hackett's solo career, which spans over ''twenty'' records, the barest of mentions. Hackett went on social media and to [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/genesis-guitarist-steve-hackett-blasts-biased-documentary-20141005 Rolling Stone]] to voice his displeasure.

** Eventually, Rutherford's idea would inspire songs on 1978's ''...And Then There Were Three...'' and most prominently in the song cycle that book-ends (along with the song "Turn It On Again") 1980's ''Duke''. The album's art seems also evocative of the book.

** The ''Little Prince''-inspired tracks on ''Duke'' were meant to be a suite taking up one side, yet in the end the band didn't want the composition compared to similar songs such as "Supper's Ready" and felt leaving the tracks together would have given the record a noticeably weaker B-side, and make the songs harded to release as singles.

** Eventually, Rutherford's idea would inspire songs on 1978's ''...And Then There Were Three...'' and most prominently in the song cycle that book-ends (along with song "Turn It On Again") 1980's ''Duke''. The album's art seems also evocative of the book.

* WhatCouldHaveBeen: When the band was forming ideas for what would become 1974's ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'', Mike Rutherford suggested composing a song cycle loosely based on Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's novella ''The Little Prince''. Gabriel, however, had a singular vision for the record and ultimately wrote the lyrics of ''The Lamb'' on his own, with a [[DarkerAndEdgier edgier]] tone, and with an American protagonist. Eventually, Rutherford's idea would inspire songs on 1978's ''...And Then There Were Three...'' and most prominently in the song cycle that book-ends (mostly; "Turn It On Again" is also part of the suite) 1980's ''Duke'' (the album's art seems also evocative of the book).
** Attempts were made to make a movie out of ''The Lamb'' since the late 1970s, but nothing came to fruition.

** The ''Little Prince''-inspired tracks on ''Duke'' were meant to be a "Music/SuppersReady"-like suite taking up one side, yet in the end the band decided to steer clear of long pieces, as ProgressiveRock had become a withering genre in the early 80's. They also didn't want the composition compared to "Supper's Ready" and felt leaving the tracks together would have given the record a noticeably weaker B-side; however, they ''did'' perform the "suite" live in its original format and order during the subsequent tour for the album, documented on several bootlegs. Concidentally, Rutherford used another novel, ''Smallcreep's Day'', as the basis for his first solo record, which was released in 1980, the same year as ''Duke''.

** In 1980, Gabriel asked Collins to play drums on his third solo album. Upon recording "Intruder", their producer Hugh Padgham, testing out his new recording console, accidentally recorded Phil's drums and it picked out [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxz6jShW-3E a thick, punchy reverb that disappeared in an instant]]. That is how the "gated reverb", the sound of TheEighties, was born.

** In 1980, upon recording "Intruder", their producer Hugh Padgham, testing out his new recording console, accidentally recorded Phil's drums and it picked out [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxz6jShW-3E a thick, punchy reverb that disappeared in an instant]]. That is how the "gated reverb", the sound of TheEighties, was born.

* OneOfUs: Phil Collins is a self-confessed video game fan and even [[PromotedFanboy played himself]] in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories'', Tony Banks is a fan of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', and Mike Rutherford referenced ''Series/DoctorWho'' in ''[[TheDocumentary Come Rain or Shine]]''.
** Phil's [[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2297368/filmoseries#tt0056751 mother worked on]] ''Series/DoctorWho''.
** Which leads to a very interesting possibility of what "Me and Sarah Jane" is about...
** Mike Rutherford [[WordOfGod has admitted]] to having been influenced by science fiction stories like [[Creator/ArthurCClarke Arthur C. Clarke's]] ''Literature/ChildhoodsEnd'' and works by Creator/JRRTolkien in TheSeventies, which came through in a lot of the early Genesis songs like "Watcher of the Skies".

** Celebrated indie songwriter/musician Kevin Gilbert, who had much respect and love for the "classic" Genesis ([[MomentOfAwesome he performed the entire ''Lamb Lies Down'' album live on stage]] with his band Giraffe in 1994), was invited to audition to replace Phil Collins in 1996. Unfortunately, Gilbert died of an [[http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/More-Than-The-Piano-Player-Dumped-by-Sheryl-2966770.php accidental suicide]] before his management received the invitation. Considering Gilbert's prog-rock credibility and rising career as a songwriter at the time, there's no telling what his talent could've done to help invigorate the band.

** On the other hand, Jeremy Clarkson himself is a BigNameFan, and he provided liner notes for the 1997 remaster/reissue of ''A Trick of the Tail'' and the box set ''Genesis 1970-1975''.

* Creator/{{Hipgnosis}}: Designed several of their album covers; specifically, they did the covers for ''The Lamb'', ''And Then There Were Three'', and the two four-piece era albums.

* ThrowItIn: The 2007 reunion tour was the result of a collective shrug and the band asking each other "Why the hell not?" Almost the entirety of Genesis's lineup had gotten together for an event celebrating the release of a boxset of the band's work and members began leaving one by one until it was just Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford, and Tony Banks sitting around and chatting. The three looked at each other and realized that they represented the longest-serving incarnation of the band and decided to hit the road together.

** On the other hand, Clarkson himself IRL is a big fan, and he provided liner notes for the 1997 remaster/reissue of ''A Trick of the Tail'' and the box set ''Genesis 1970-1975''.

** Gabriel's penchant for telling weird stories between songs arose as a way to keep audiences engaged during concerts, as the band would often take a long time to retune their instruments. Also, his usage of masks and costumes came about partially because of keeping the audience engaged as mentioned before, and partially because of his stage fright.

* ShortLivedBigImpact: The classic prog-era lineup of Tony Banks, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, and Mike Rutherford lasted 4 years and made four albums, yet those albums proved to be one of the most influential contributions to ProgressiveRock.

* BigNameFan: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] with Richard Hammond of the BBC's ''Series/TopGear'' and Amazon's ''Series/TheGrandTour''. He's known to have been vocal of his notorious '''dis'''like for Genesis's music, to the point where his co-star Jeremy Clarkson sometimes uses their work (Particularly "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tFQMjc-IE I know what you like (In your Wardrobe)]]") to {{Troll}} the living shit out of him.
** On the other hand, Clarkson himself IRL is a big fan, and he provided liner notes for the 1997 remaster/reissue of ''A Trick Of The Tail''.
** Similarily, Music/JohnLennon praised ''Selling England by the Pound'', from which the band members took great encouragement at the time.

** Clarkson himself IRL is a big fan, and he provided liner notes for the 1997 remaster/reissue of ''A Trick Of The Tail''.
** On the other hand, Music/JohnLennon praised ''Selling England by the Pound'', from which the band members took great encouragement at the time.

* BigNameFan: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] with Richard Hammond of the BBC's ''Series/TopGear'' and Amazon's ''Series/TheGrandTour''. He's known to have been vocal of his notorious '''dis'''like for Genesis's music, to the point where his co-star Jeremy Clarkson sometimes uses their work to {{Troll}} the living shit out of him.

* BigNameFan: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]]; Richard Hammond of the BBC's ''Series/TopGear'' and Amazon's ''Series/TheGrandTour'' has a notorious '''dis'''like of Genesis's music, to the point where his co-star Jeremy Clarkson sometimes uses their work to {{Troll}} the living shit out of him.

* ShortLivedBigImpact: The classic prog-era lineup of Tony Banks, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, and Mike Rutherford lasted 4 years and made four albums, yet was proved to be one of the more influential groups in ProgressiveRock.

:: When listened to in sequence, this provides an interesting alternate running order for the album that some listeners may end up preferring to the official one. For one thing, it ends less abruptly.