History Trivia / Gargoyles

* TalkingToHimself:
** Goliath and Thailog; the Archmage and his future self, as well as several minor characters voiced by the main cast.
** Considering that Jeff Bennett and Kath Soucie did 100+ character voices each, this is pretty much a given. A quick example would be that Jeff Bennett was Brooklyn and most of the thugs he fought, and Kath Soucie was Princess Katharine and Ophelia.

* BadExportForYou: Sweden originally never got the series proper; instead, it got a compilation movie put together with the 5 pilot episodes undubbed.

* ChannelHop: From syndication to Creator/{{ABC}} for the third season.

* EditedForSyndication: Toon Disney initially banned the episode "Deadly Force" because the episode revolved around Elisa's near-fatal shooting by Broadway (who was playing around with her gun). In 2002, Toon Disney finally showed the episode, but the part where Elisa gets shot uses a fake zoom-in on Elisa's face to cover up the blood around Elisa's torso. A later scene in this episode has Broadway sobbing, but the sound effect lasts noticeably longer than the clip used.

* ExecutiveMeddling: The {{Retool}} of the third season was caused by Disney replacing the entire production team. There's also the matter of the higher fees that caused the comic's cancellation.

* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: The series is available on DVD in its entirety[[note]]although the Season 2, Volume 1 DVD went into the Disney Vault some time near the end of TheNewTens[[/note]] with the exception of ''The Goliath Chronicles'', which is unlikely to ever get a DVD release anytime soon due to its dismal reception and even being considered [[CanonDiscontinuity non-canon]] by Greg Weisman.

* LineToGod: Creator/GregWeisman has this in the form of the "Ask Greg" section of fansite [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/index.php Station 8]]. Notable for at least two reasons: one, that Weisman will answer any and all questions submitted to the site given enough time (so long as they meet the site's guidelines), and two, that the site has been in more-or-less constant operation since ''1997''.\\
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Overall, this has led to a searchable archive of well over '''14,000''' answered questions since Station 8 first opened. This may account, at least in part, for the truly ''massive'' smattering of WordOfGod entries on this show's pages.

* MidDevelopmentGenreShift: The show was originally pitched as a comedy series. The basic premise remained the same: approximately one-thousand years ago, Gargoyles were not merely stone statues, but real flesh-and-blood creatures. But, unlike the noble protectors of the final shows, these Gargoyles were mischievous troublemakers who frequently drove the local humans nuts. This development went through several versions before being scrapped, in favor of the darker, more serious vision of the show.

* NamesTheSame: Some viewers may snicker at the terrifying deep voiced cyborg gargoyle when they learn he shares his name with a popular [[https://www.coldstonecreamery.com/ ice cream franchise.]]

* TheOtherDarrin: Fang's sole line in "Metamorphosis" was done by Creator/JonathanFrakes, with Creator/JamesBelushi playing him for the rest of the series.

* PlayingAgainstType: Actors were often cast opposite to their usual roles. Thailog was created mostly to showcase Keith David's talents as a villain, Thom Adcox [[spoiler:as future, evil Lexington]], Creator/MarinaSirtis as a member of the YuppieCouple, the list goes on. It even applies to guest stars, as Sheena Easton went from banshee to monster hunter Robyn Canmore, and Gregg Rainwater went from playing a man defending his home against a trickster in one appearance to playing another (more benevolent) trickster in the second.

* TalkingToHimself: Goliath and Thailog; the Archmage and his future self, as well as several minor characters voiced by the main cast.

* TechnologyMarchesOn: Most notably those enormous 90s cell phones. Not to mention the huge boxy computer CRT monitors.

* WordOfGay: According to many posts at the website above, Lexington was this, but it was never implied or explicitly stated in the show. This was mentioned before the comic came out.

* WordOfGod: Creator Greg Weisman, who contributes to a fairly elaborate [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ lexicon website]] outlining 1000 years worth of history for the series, including ones not yet produced. And with answers to questions ranging from politics to gargoyle sex to in-jokes.

** All reruns of ''The Goliath Chronicles'' have different end credits compared to the ABC run; the Buena Vista TV logo is replaced with the Walt Disney TV logo, and the background is different, too. This was to eliminate references to the ''[[WesternAnimation/ToyStory Toy Story Treats]]'', which were vignettes that were interspersed throughout the 1996-97 ABC Saturday Morning lineup, including commercial bumpers with the Green Army Men; the reason the credits were included was because ''Chronicles'' was positioned near the end of the block at 11:30 AM (presumably the last program, ''Series/FlashForward1996'', couldn't have the credits because it was produced in Canada, and neither could the ABC Weekend Specials which followed at 12:30).

** Later averted as of June 22, 2022, as the entire series is finally now available on Creator/DisneyPlus in Nordic countries, Sweden included. However, [[NoDubForYou there's ''still'' no dubbing available]]—only subtitles.

* BadExportForYou: Sweden never got the series proper, instead it got a compilation movie put together with the 5 pilot episodes undubbed.
** Later averted as of June 22, 2022, as the entire series is now available on Creator/DisneyPlus in Nordic countries. However, [[NoDubForYou there's still no dubbing available]]—only subtitles.

* BreakthroughHit: Creator/GregWeisman's fame as a show runner all started with this series.

** [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes The DVD's are as rare as hens teeth as well.]]

** Another Weisman/Disney series, ''WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}}'', is stated to be fictional in the ''Gargoyles''-verse, as a song from the show was played on a boombox in the first issue of the ''Bad Guys'' comic (which means that it was apparently produced in the mid-90s in-universe).
** Boreas, Kiron, Taurus, Ekidna, Sphinx, and the other New Olympians are apparently mixtures of human, Third Race, and various animals, and it shows.

* DeletedScene: In the first run of the series, [[spoiler:Goliath was fighting Jon wearing a PowerArmor. At some point, the former pinned the latter on the floor and savagely pound on his helm. Seeing that his hits weren't getting through, Goliath started ripping the armor when Elisa and Jason entered the scene. In later broadcasts the pounding sequence was cut.]]

** Creator/MichaelDorn voices both Taurus and Taurus' father. The latter was actually a shape-shifter named Proteus. He also voices Coldstone.

** Averted as of 2019, the whole show is on Disney+.

*** Finally {{averted}} for ''Disney's Sorcerer's Arena'', as characters from the show appear.

** Michael Eisner wanted the show to be cornerstone of Disney's own superhero universe, following an attempt to purchase Creator/MarvelComics around that time that failed; this explains the sheer number of [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot new characters and situations being setup in season 2]]. However, executive turmoil and interference foiled this plan. ([[HilariousInHindsight Disney would end up buying Marvel]] in 2009.)

* ImageSource:
** AbsurdlySharpClaws
** BeastAndBeauty
** RedEyesTakeWarning

* QuoteSource:
** FakingTheDead

* BreakthroughHit: Creator/GregWeisman's fame as a writer all started with this series. Which is pretty amazing, considering he didn't write it. (He ''did'' produce it, but has no writing credits on the series whatsoever ... at least not until the almost universally-reviled ''Goliath Chronicles'' continuation.)

** Italy: ''Gargoykes; the Awakening of the Heroes''

* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[WhatCouldHaveBeen/Gargoyles Has its own page]]

* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Coco was originally supposed to be part of the main cast, but was replaced by Broadway for a variety of reasons, including [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute the admission that more homely female characters are less accepted]], and that [[TeamMom female characters solve emotional and personal problems amongst the cast too easily]]. She was eventually introduced into the comics as a member of the London clan.
** Weisman also worked on a TV spinoff of ''WesternAnimation/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'', and planned to make one episode a CrossThrough with Demona and that era's Hunter. ''Atlantis'' became a StillbornFranchise and the show was canned before it aired, but an audio track of the episode exists and Weisman says the BroadStrokes are still canon in the ''Gargoyles'' 'verse.
** A live-action film with creature design by makeup legend Rick Baker was being developed in 1998 by Creator/TouchstonePictures until being cancelled.
** Creator/PatrickStewart was considered for the role of Goliath, Macbeth and King Arthur. However, Stewart's agent commanded a high salary. Greg Weisman and his crew thought of asking Creator/JonathanFrakes and Creator/MarinaSirtis to pressure Stewart's agent into lowering it down. Ultimately, they decided not to because they realized it would have been unfair to both Frakes and Stirtis. Stewart eventually did voice Goliath in a ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' sketch.
** A DirectToVideo movie was in the works. "City of Stone" was originally pitched as this, and while the higher-ups liked the plot, the feature film treatment was abandoned because (as Weisman conceded) the main cast only play supporting roles. "Hunter's Moon" was subsequently conceived, but a video release was scrapped altogether and it became a three-parter.
*** On a related note, "The Reckoning" was to be a two-parter and the Season 2 finale. When the movie was scrapped, it was shortened to a one-parter to help make room for "Hunter's Moon" to still be produced.
** Originally, there was going to be another Gargoyle at the series' start. Taking the name Ralph, he was going to be more reluctant to fight and instead spend his time watching television (a quality that Hudson ultimately inherited).
** The leader of the clan was originally supposed to be a female gargoyle named Dakota, but the creators couldn't work out an interesting personality for her. Goliath ended up being created to take over the leader role, while Dakota was {{ReTool}}ed into a villain, becoming Demona.
** A female human was always meant to be the clan's chief ally in the modern world, but she went through a ''lot'' of development before becoming the character familiar from the show. Most obviously, she went through several names (she was Morgan for a while), and occupations (museum curator, school teacher, even Xanatos's business partner) before finally settling on Elisa Maza, police detective. She was also originally supposed to be a Hispanic woman, but was changed to match her VA's racial background.
** Similarly, the man who would become David Xanatos was always part of the show, but was originally conceived as a bungling, comical figure and a descendant of the character who would become the Magus (who was an EvilSorcerer at this stage of development -- the evil tenth century wizard role would end up going to the Archmage, and the modern descendant of an ancient foe role to Wolf). When the show's focus switched from action/comedy to action/drama, though, he quickly became a more familiar Machiavellian mastermind. His name was Xavier for much of his initial conception, but was changed to Xanatos to avoid confusion with [[ComicBook/{{XMen}} another Xavier]].
** Owen would have been a much more comedic figure with the original concept having him accidentally turned into a talking aardvark by a spell and spending the rest of the series walking around as an animal in a suit.
** {{Creator/CBS}} was interested in broadcasting the ''ComicBook/BadGuys'' spin-off, but after Disney took over {{Creator/ABC}}, it got cancelled. Only a leica reel was made and it was later shown at [[FanConvention the Gatherings]]. ''ComicBook/BadGuys'' would eventually be made in a 6 part comic book.
** Weisman had a whole mess of other spin-offs planned (as part of Michael Eisner's above-described "hero universe" plans). One set a hundred years in the future with the characters' descendants fighting an alien invasion (''Gargoyles 2198''), one set back in 10th century Scotland (''Gargoyles: The Dark Ages''), one where humanity makes first contact with the New Olympians, complete with a pair of StarCrossedLovers between the two races (''The New Olympians''), one where we follow King Arthur and Griff on their quest to rebuild Camelot (''Pendragon'')... sadly, none have come to pass.
** The ''Goliath Cronicles'' episode "Ransom" (now known for its {{Chickification}} of Fox after her son is kidnapped) was originally supposed to involve Puck and Lexington having to get Alex back from three other Avalon tricksters: Coyote, Anasi, and Raven.
** Originally, Elisa was going to be half African-American, half Mexican-American, and her name was going to be "Elisa Chavez."
** All the Mayan gargoyles were planned to be snake-like, but only Zafiro ended up like this.
** Greg had a Disney employee in talks with Creator/SquareEnix to include the ''Gargoyles'' property in ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'', but [[http://kh13.com/news/90 said employee was "let go"]] before they could be finalized.
** Creator/JordanPeele, fresh off his success with ''Film/GetOut'', approached Disney to do a live-action feature film remake of the series, but the company turned him down.
** The Sega Genesis video game was going to receive a port for the Super Nintendo, but for whatever reason it never materialized.

** Creator/MichaelDorn voices both [[ALoadOfBull Taurus and Taurus' father]]. The latter was actually a shape-shifter named Proteus. He also voices Coldstone.

** Creator/ClancyBrown voices Hakon, Tomas Brod and Wolf. Eventually, it's explained that Hakon is actually Wolf's distant ancestor, and Wolf ends up encountering his ghost after he steals his battle-axe.

* MidDevelopmentGenreShift: The show was originally pitched as a comedy series. The basic premise remained the same: approximately one-thousand years ago, Gargoyles were not merely stone statues, but real flesh-and-blood creatures. But, unlike the noble protectors of the final shows, these Gargoyles were mischievous troublemakers who frequently drove the local humans nuts. This development went through several versions before being scrapped, in favor of Michael Reaves' darker, more serious vision of the show.

** It seems that Disney never had any idea what to do with this series; they scheduled it ''once a week'' ([[FridayNightDeathSlot on Fridays]]) as opposed to every day like the other programs on the Disney Afternoon block, because there were only ''thirteen episodes'' for Season One, which means that they would've burned through the whole season in two-and-a-half weeks (assuming every episode was ready to air before the premiere, which they weren't).
** Production was jerked around for Season Two, with the order for 52 episodes not being firmly settled until some weeks into starting, hamstringing them a bit. This is why there are so many gaps in premiere air dates (There would've been gaps anyway due to the volume of work, but Weisman has noted they lost extra time they could've used regardless).

*** Finally {{averted}} for ''Disney's Sorcerer's Arena'', as the show will be involved for the game after a long time.

** A live-action film with creature design by makeup legend Rick Baker was being developed in 1998 until being cancelled.

** Similarly, the man who would become David Xanatos was always part of the show, but was originally conceived as a bungling, comical figure and a descendant of the character who would become the Magus (who was an EvilSorcerer at this stage of development- the evil tenth century wizard role would end up going to the Archmage, and the modern descendant of an ancient foe role to Wolf). When the show's focus switched from action/comedy to action/drama, though, he quickly became a more familiar Machiavellian mastermind. His name was Xavier for much of his initial conception, but was changed to Xanatos to avoid confusion with [[ComicBook/{{XMen}} another Xavier]].

** {{Creator/CBS}} was interested in broadcasting the ''ComicBook/BadGuys'' spin-off, but after Disney took over {{Creator/ABC}}, it got canceled. Only a leica reel was made and it was later shown at [[FanConvention the Gatherings]]. ''ComicBook/BadGuys'' would eventually be made in a 6 part comic book.
** Weisman had a whole mess of other spin-offs planned. One set a hundred years in the future with the characters' descendants fighting an alien invasion, one set back in 10th century Scotland, one where humanity makes first contact with the New Olympians (complete with a pair of StarCrossedLovers between the two races), one where we follow King Arthur and Griff on their quest to rebuild Camelot... sadly, none have come to pass.

* BreakthroughHit: Creator/GregWeisman's fame as a writer all started with this series.