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** Takahata101's [[https://twitter.com/Takahata101/status/1764455725026161025 favorite role to play in the show was Cell]].
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** Much to his disdain, characters notice this about Cooler when it comes to Freeza.
** In ''The World's Strongest Abridged'', everyone (even their creator) confuses the Bio-Men with the Saibamen who came down with Vegeta and Nappa. One of them blows up [[ButtMonkey Yamcha]] in the same way, except he survives this time.
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** Taka pushed to play Bardock for the ''Father of Goku'' special to prove that he could play a wide range of emotions and a more relatively serious character. Taka's Cell, while still having plenty of comedic moments all-around, is also a far darker and more chilling character than Nappa. It goes from violent mood swings in his first form, to a very creepy and stalker-like personality in his second, before rounding out in his final form to be a FauxAffablyEvil character with the power to match his arrogance.
** When the team was abridging the ''Episode of Bardock'' special, Gan approached the team and asked to play Lord Chilled, who is a far sillier and shriller character than the ones that Gan had portrayed in the past (the aforementioned [[DeadpanSnarker Tien]] and [[AffablyEvil Android 17]]).

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** Taka pushed to play Bardock for the ''Father of Goku'' special to prove that he could play a wide range of emotions and a more relatively serious character. Taka's Cell, while still having plenty of comedic moments all-around, is also a far darker and more chilling character than Nappa.either Nappa or Guru. It goes from violent mood swings in his first form, to a very creepy and stalker-like personality in his second, before rounding out in his final form to be a FauxAffablyEvil character with the power to match his arrogance.
** When On the flip side of Taka's case, when the team was abridging the ''Episode of Bardock'' special, Gan approached the team and asked to play Lord Chilled, who is was written to be a far sillier and shriller character than the ones that Gan had portrayed in the past (the aforementioned [[DeadpanSnarker Tien]] and [[AffablyEvil Android 17]]).

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*** Piccolo also adds to his RunningGag of how the QuirkyMinibossSquad in the movies is always the same: DumbMuscle, PrettyBoy, and freaky alien with the weird powers.
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** In ''The World's Strongest Abridged'', everyone (even their creator) confuses the Bio-Men with the Saibamen who came down with Vegeta and Nappa. One of them blows up [[ButtMonkey Yamcha]] in the same way, except he survives this time. Piccolo also adds to his RunningGag of how the QuirkyMinibossSquad in the movies is always the same: DumbMuscle, PrettyBoy, and freaky alien with the weird powers.
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** In ''The World's Strongest Abridged'', everyone (even their creator) confuses the Bio-Men with the Saibamen who came down with Vegeta and Nappa. One of them blows up [[ButtMonkey Yamcha]] in the same way, except he survives this time. Piccolo also adds to his RunningGag of how the QuirkyMinibossSquad in the movies is always the same: DumbMuscle, PrettyBoy, and freaky alien with the weird powers.
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* TheDanza: A minor example -- one of the Cell Jr's is named Curtis, and thus shares a name with his voice actor [=Takahata101=]. This is because each Cell Jr was named after each voice actor to play Cell.

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* TheDanza: A minor example -- one of the Cell Jr's is named Curtis, and thus shares a name with his voice actor [=Takahata101=]. This is because each Cell Jr was named after each voice actor to play Cell.Cell, [[AerithAndBob except or Vegeta Jr.]] [[CallBack Jr]].

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: See [[WhatCouldHaveBeen/DragonBallZAbridged here]] for what almost was.



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* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** [=KaiserNeko=] mentioned they originally planned a bit more dialogue where [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} Jimmy Olsen and Clark Kent]] went to the fighting grounds where the protagonists confronts the Saiyans, and Jimmy telling Clark that everyone knew he was Superman all along, until Clark tells him if they knew, Superman would had made anyone who knew keep quiet about it, then ''murder Jimmy'' offscreen. It was scrapped completely because they didn't have footage for it, and they dropped the lines completely.
** Creator/LittleKuriboh posted his [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s2nbhRLjI4 audition video]] revealing that he originally auditioned to play Captain Ginyu. TFS ended up loving the Freeza voice more and requested a second audition tape. Lanipator was originally supposed to play Freeza with a Creator/LindaYoung impression, but TFS dropped it once they decided to cast [=LittleKuriboh=] (it's referenced in ''Bardock: The Father of Goku'', with Lanipator briefly playing Freeza with his Creator/LindaYoung inpression before coughing and switching to [=LittleKuriboh=]'s portrayal). Interestingly, LK was auditioning for Freeza all along, but knowing that Lanipator was already penciled in for the part, he snuck in his impression by auditioning for Ginyu instead.
** During their commentary for ''Lord Slug Abridged'', Kaiser stated that after Piccolo says "Alright, alright, you're not tough", there was going to be a {{Beat}} for Dordabo/Wings to process the insult by himself instead of a line from Piccolo and Gohan.
** The breakdown for ''History of Trunks'' reveals that there was quite a debate about whether Gohan should actually take Bulma up on her offer, though everyone's happy they wimped out. But just in case you're ''not'' happy they wimped out, thanks to a fan edit, you can see [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzF6kZwgSgI&t=617s an alternate take on the scene,]] where Gohan accepts Bulma's offer.
--->'''Gohan:''' [[CharacterCatchphrase I need an adult]]?\\
'''Trunks:''' You ''are'' an adult.
** ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' creator Creator/MontyOum apparently wanted to voice Future Gohan in ''History of Trunks'', but he sadly passed away before getting the chance. The special was dedicated to his memory.
** ''History of Trunks'' was going to have a plot point where Trunks actually died after his solo fight with 17 and 18 and the one who came back was a clone to explain how he ended up surviving that encounter. This was dropped since there wasn't a good place to put it and it felt like it would "cheapen" Trunks as a result.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA5zQ-3gxFs The breakdown for Episode 51]] reveals that [=KaiserNeko=] was originally going to play all three versions of Cell. He however ended up being casted as Trunks instead, with [=Takahata101=]'s interpretation of Cell being "too much fun to pass up".
*** Similarly, during the 10th anniversary livestream, Kaiser said that he initially wanted to give the role of Future Trunks to [=GanXingba=] while he played Android 17. However, the rest of the team insisted that Kaiser was better as Trunks (and that Gan was perfect as 17), so they ended up with the roles as they are today. According to Taka's solo commentary of Episode 18, he and Lani had butted heads with Kaiser multiple times over this, as Kaiser was unsure if his performance would be good enough and tried to drop the role to another actor more than once. Lani and Taka wrote in the ''History of Trunks'' CallForward in Episode 18 specifically to set precedent for Kaiser voicing Trunks in order to convince him to play the character in Season 3.
*** Additionally, as revealed by Creator/MasakoX in response to a comment on Part 6 of his Fanfic/WhatIfVidelWasAZFighter video series, had Season 4 not been cancelled, Kaiser was going to voice Buu, with the reason being “He had yet to have played a baddie in the main series other than [[DemotedToExtra Garlic Jr.]]” He would ultimately voice Super Buu in the Buu Bits.
** The original plan for Android 17 was that he would speak in TotallyRadical fashion, but this was quickly deemed annoying and dropped. The gag was later used when Cell impersonates 17 to try and convince 18 to let herself be absorbed, with the goofy speech patterns proving that Cell knows nothing about either of them.
** According to their ''Budokai 2'' playthrough, TFS's initial script for the Buu Saga had Mr. Satan as a ConspiracyTheorist who, rather than stealing the credit for defeating Cell, was [[CassandraTruth desperately trying to convince the world that the Alien Superbeings who did so are real]].
** In a livestream after the release of ''Broly Abridged'', Lani said that they wanted to cast WebVideo/{{Markiplier}} and WebVideo/JonTron as Broly and Paragus respectively, but it didn't work out because of Mark and Jon's incredibly busy schedules. He also said that they've been speaking with Mark about playing a number of roles, but it probably won't happen for the same reason.
** During the Movie Marathon, the team mentioned the original idea for ''Broly Abridged'' was Paragus trying to get Broly into the Z Fighters group because his son was a massive fan of them. One of the reason this was canned was because the lack of appropriate scenes to make the idea work.
** There was some consideration to skip abridging Broly's movie entirely, likely due to most of the team hating him, but they went through with it.
** A tweet released during the Cell Games shorts seemed to hint at a possible appearance by [[WebAnimation/{{RWBY}} Yang Xiao Long]], but sadly never materialized.
** A couple of days after ''Plan to Eradicate Christmas'' premiered, [=KaiserNeko=] clarified on Twitter that the special was significantly different from what was originally planned. According to him, rather than being a Christmas-themed parody, it would've been a more straight comical pastiche of ''Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans'', with the main gimmick being that it'd repeatedly shift between the 1993 and 2008 versions of the OVA due to Dr. Raichi's machine causing a tear in the space-time continuum. The special was eventually retooled into a Christmas episode both due to time constraints[[note]][=KaiserNeko=] described the 1993 footage as being too difficult to edit to the intended extent, which makes sense considering how it's only available in sub-par quality at best[[/note]] and because of the surprisingly apt timing of its production. The original plan for the special did end up getting an allusion in the form of a brief sight gag when Goku and company encounter [[spoiler:Santa Claus]] and he accuses Trunks of messing with the space-time continuum, and Trunks insists that the continuum is fine -- while shifting between the modern and 1993 versions mid-sentence.
** TFS wanted to make an Abridged voice pack mod for ''VideoGame/DragonballFighterz'', but dropped the idea after Arc System Works patched the game so that mods are disabled during online play, which effectively rendered the entire idea meaningless.
** When the 10th anniversary livestream got to Nappa's scene in the Season 2 finale, Lani and Taka revealed that they considered including lines implying that Ghost Nappa was just a hallucination on Vegeta's part and that he was crazy and doomed to be haunted by hallucinations of ghosts, with Ghost Guru being Ghost Nappa's successor.
** Originally Episode 28 was going to be two parts, with its second part becoming Episode 29.
** The Ginyu Force showing up on King Kai’s planet was originally going to be cut as the team saw no reason to abridge it due to being pointless filler. However, Lani was able to come up with an idea on how to make it short and funny.
** The audience was going to hear muffled screams from Vegeta after Goku finished burying him on Namek, revealing that he wasn’t dead and that he had accidentally been BuriedAlive. Similarly, Lani had pitched a joke in Episode 30 that when Vegeta woke up after being revived on Namek, Vegeta would end up dying from suffocating underneath the dirt he was buried under because he couldn't dig himself out fast enough.
** In the original ''DBZ'', Freeza says it'll take five minutes for Namek to explode, which becomes laughable considering how many episodes it takes. Team Four Star briefly considered making the final Goku and Freeza fight ''actually five minutes long'', but quickly realized that would be impossible, even for an abridged series. They compromised by Goku questioning [[DumbassHasAPoint if Freeza even knows how long a minute is]].
** The crew mulled the idea of the Cell Jr. fighting Yamcha being noticeably weaker than the others, as a means to explain how Yamcha could hold his own when the others are [[CantCatchUp leagues ahead of him]] and doing just the same. They eventually just cut that bit when they couldn't figure out how to make it fit.
** The song Cell sings as he dies went through a few permutations. They were all set to make it "We'll Meet Again" by Vera Lynn, but [=KaiserNeko=] rejected it and pointed out that Cell and Gohan never really do meet again. (At least not until [[spoiler:''Anime/DragonBallSuperSuperHero'', which came out after Episode 60, and even then it was a clone of Cell, not the real thing]]) [=Takahata101=] was the one to suggest the song eventually used: "My Way" by Creator/FrankSinatra.
** The entirety of ''Bojack Unbound Abridged'' is a case of this. Lani blamed it on scripting difficulties, while Kaiser [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamFourStar/comments/d5blur/setting_the_bojack_record_straight_and_more_from/ went more in-depth]] and explained that the movie had so little story and such a boring villain that it was impossible for them to abridge it to their usual quality; all the jokes they could think of were shallow, uninspired, or mean-spirited. Their experience with this was one of several reasons why they decided to cancel the series as a whole after episode 60.
** The DBZ Movie Marathon on Twitch revealed the script for the ''Broly'' movie was originally much longer and included things like Goku and Broly's first fight, but they realized that would serve essentially as filler and wouldn't mesh with the characterization of Broly they were going for.
** The team had an argument over what music would play during Piccolo's BigDamnHeroes moment in episode 25, with Kaiser aiming for [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Magus' battle theme]] and Lani aiming for [[{{Manga/Bleach}} Number One]]. Ultimately, Kaiser won out.
** Originally, Freeza's line about "playing babysitter" in episode 25 was "playing Casey Anthony", which the team found in terrible taste and would get dated quickly.
** Nail's line about how he'd eventually fade into Piccolo's head in episode 25 was an excuse for the writers to write Nail out in case the Piccolo, Nail, and Kami's SharingABody dynamic didn't work out.
** With the ending of the series, TFS's planned adaptation of the Buu Saga left many ideas on the cutting room floor. Some would eventually see the light of day years later as ''Buu Bits'':
*** Gohan was planned to model his superhero persona on SuperpowerLottery winners like Franchise/{{Superman}}, and Videl would provide a contrast by being a BadassNormal like Franchise/{{Batman}} or [[ComicBook/TheQuestion the Question]].
*** They weren't exactly sure of how the characters would react to Saiyaman, but one idea was that Vegeta would be completely taken in by the identity and not be able to figure out that Gohan and Saiyaman are the same person.
*** As revealed in their playthrough of ''VideoGame/DragonBallZKakarot'', Mr. Satan would have attempted to rebrand himself as "Hercule" to be more "family-friendly", reflecting the original's DubNameChange for the same reason.
*** The team considered continuing the series in the style of ''WebAnimation/DragonShortZ'' to get around Website/YouTube's notoriously strict copyright rules, but that would have required even more time and expense than the previous seasons, and they were already dealing with some serious burnout. They were also concerned that such an ArtShift would negatively affect the series' quality.
*** As mentioned above, [=KaiserNeko=] was penned to play Buu, and ended up at least voicing Super Buu.
*** Both [=Megami33=] and Hnilmik were planned to play Kid Trunks and Goten respectively, to compliment the idea of their mother's voice actors also playing their sons.
*** Vegeta's decision to give himself over to Babidi would be portrayed as a HollywoodMidLifeCrisis, triggered by his growing frustration at getting "domesticated" by life on Earth.
---->'''Vegeta:''' I thought about inviting Krillin over! Krillin! For a barbecue! What happened to me, man?! I used to be cool!
** [[https://youtu.be/t6-N7xJkgmE Taka fought to keep Ginyu alive]] as he wanted to adapt the filler arc where he took over Bulma's body, since she had so little to do Namek.
** The team thought of making a Krillin Owned Count for the movies, but decided to drop the idea. They later elaborated that they largely did it because they did the movie out of as close as they could do to chronological order. If they had there likely ''would'' have been a movie-exclusive owned counter.
** According to the creator commentary, there was going to be a gag in Episode 44 where there were going to be a bunch of picketers outside of Dr. Gero's lab who were protesting to let the fetus Cell live, but was dropped when they couldn't make it work.
** Also in the same episode of creator commentary covering Episode 44, Imperfect Cell was supposed to share the same TalkingToThemself gag that Piccolo had due to his instability that would quickly spiral into a sheer MoodWhiplash into pure NightmareFuel in that Cell can hear ''every single person'' he's absorbed screaming in agony inside of him, but there was nowhere it would have fit or could be implied, so this idea was scrapped.
** In the creator commentary for ''History of Trunks Abridged'', Taka revealed that he was one of the people who auditioned for Future Gohan, much like how Creator/DameonClarke (voice of Cell) voiced the character in the English dub of the original special. His voice for him would've sounded similar to his Bardock voice, but smoother. The Episode Breakdown of the special notes that at least ten people auditioned for the role, including Ganxingba, Lanipator, [[Creator/HowardWang TehExorcist]], and even Nathan Sharp of Music/NateWantsToBattle.
** The creator commentary for Episodes 51 and 52 revealed that Cell's Perfect Form transformation and Gohan's Super Saiyan awakening was supposed to take place at the same time in the same episode [[RuleOfSymbolism for symbolism's sake]], but the crew ran into a road block when they discovered that trying to fit both into the same episode would drastically undermine their impacts, and Gohan's transformation was too important to leave as TheStinger, so they settled on making Perfect Cell's introduction be Episode 51's closing and Gohan's ascension Episode 52's opener, but they still stated that in the canon of their series, both happened around the same time despite the split in episodes.
** The creator commentary for Episode 56 reveals that Lani was penned for the longest time to play Mr. Satan, since his Creator/ChrisRager impression was spot-on. Since Lani was already playing both Vegeta and Piccolo, once the series got closer to Satan's debut, Antfish was casted instead (though Kaiser notes that if Lani wasn't playing both characters, he'd been perfect as Mr. Satan). Lani's Rager/Hercule performance would however be repurposed for one of the voices for the Future Warrior 2/Time Patroller 2 custom characters in ''VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse2''.
** In the creator commentary for the Broly movie, Team Four Star reveals that a scene for Emperor Pilaf ''was'' planned for the CutawayGag of Goku going through his whole RoguesGallery to find out who destroyed South Galaxy instead of an offhand message, in which it is revealed that Pilaf is considered by Goku to be his ArchEnemy due to the fact he was his StarterVillain that framed what a "bad person" is to him starting out despite massively falling off the totem pole early on and becoming a recurring LaughablyEvil villain that's Comic Relief on his best days due being a ButtMonkey. The resulting scene was heavily laced with BlackComedy of Goku being [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically cruel]] to a PTSD-ridden Pilaf as he practically cries in anxiety seeing practically his worst nightmare show up on his doorstep again. Sadly, this was cut for a combination of budget, pacing, and the time crunch the whole special was falling into, demanding its removal despite being fully voiced and edited into a standalone scene beforehand.
** The commentary for Episode 58 talks about how the CallBack to the Arlians was actually planned to be the consequence to Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell in Episode 52, but it didn't sell well with the context of the episode and was shelved until TheStinger for the aforementioned episode where it is instead recontextualized with Cell managing to destroy New Arlia with a stray Kamehameha instead.
** In the commentary for Part 3 of Episode 60, KaiserNeko talks about a brief consideration to make the conversation between Gohan and Goku during his beam clash with Cell entirely an ImagineSpot from Gohan's own mind rather than actually talking to Goku in the afterlife to facilitate this CharacterDevelopment from actively resenting his father for his issues to reaffirming his love for him by changing his own mental image while talking to him—Lanipator called out the problems this would introduce with the Father-Son Kamehameha and would actively undermine Goku's own CharacterDevelopment into at least considering how his actions affected his son by just making the whole conversation he needed to hear a figment of Gohan's imagination, therefore he overruled Kaiser's idea and the moment was played straight like the show.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** [=KaiserNeko=] mentioned they originally planned a bit more dialogue where [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} Jimmy Olsen and Clark Kent]] went to the fighting grounds where the protagonists confronts the Saiyans, and Jimmy telling Clark that everyone knew he was Superman all along, until Clark tells him if they knew, Superman would had made anyone who knew keep quiet about it, then ''murder Jimmy'' offscreen. It was scrapped completely because they didn't have footage
WhatCouldHaveBeen: See [[WhatCouldHaveBeen/DragonBallZAbridged here]] for it, and they dropped the lines completely.
** Creator/LittleKuriboh posted his [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s2nbhRLjI4 audition video]] revealing that he originally auditioned to play Captain Ginyu. TFS ended up loving the Freeza voice more and requested a second audition tape. Lanipator was originally supposed to play Freeza with a Creator/LindaYoung impression, but TFS dropped it once they decided to cast [=LittleKuriboh=] (it's referenced in ''Bardock: The Father of Goku'', with Lanipator briefly playing Freeza with his Creator/LindaYoung inpression before coughing and switching to [=LittleKuriboh=]'s portrayal). Interestingly, LK was auditioning for Freeza all along, but knowing that Lanipator was already penciled in for the part, he snuck in his impression by auditioning for Ginyu instead.
** During their commentary for ''Lord Slug Abridged'', Kaiser stated that after Piccolo says "Alright, alright, you're not tough", there was going to be a {{Beat}} for Dordabo/Wings to process the insult by himself instead of a line from Piccolo and Gohan.
** The breakdown for ''History of Trunks'' reveals that there was quite a debate about whether Gohan should actually take Bulma up on her offer, though everyone's happy they wimped out. But just in case you're ''not'' happy they wimped out, thanks to a fan edit, you can see [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzF6kZwgSgI&t=617s an alternate take on the scene,]] where Gohan accepts Bulma's offer.
--->'''Gohan:''' [[CharacterCatchphrase I need an adult]]?\\
'''Trunks:''' You ''are'' an adult.
** ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' creator Creator/MontyOum apparently wanted to voice Future Gohan in ''History of Trunks'', but he sadly passed away before getting the chance. The special was dedicated to his memory.
** ''History of Trunks'' was going to have a plot point where Trunks actually died after his solo fight with 17 and 18 and the one who came back was a clone to explain how he ended up surviving that encounter. This was dropped since there wasn't a good place to put it and it felt like it would "cheapen" Trunks as a result.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA5zQ-3gxFs The breakdown for Episode 51]] reveals that [=KaiserNeko=] was originally going to play all three versions of Cell. He however ended up being casted as Trunks instead, with [=Takahata101=]'s interpretation of Cell being "too much fun to pass up".
*** Similarly, during the 10th anniversary livestream, Kaiser said that he initially wanted to give the role of Future Trunks to [=GanXingba=] while he played Android 17. However, the rest of the team insisted that Kaiser was better as Trunks (and that Gan was perfect as 17), so they ended up with the roles as they are today. According to Taka's solo commentary of Episode 18, he and Lani had butted heads with Kaiser multiple times over this, as Kaiser was unsure if his performance would be good enough and tried to drop the role to another actor more than once. Lani and Taka wrote in the ''History of Trunks'' CallForward in Episode 18 specifically to set precedent for Kaiser voicing Trunks in order to convince him to play the character in Season 3.
*** Additionally, as revealed by Creator/MasakoX in response to a comment on Part 6 of his Fanfic/WhatIfVidelWasAZFighter video series, had Season 4 not been cancelled, Kaiser was going to voice Buu, with the reason being “He had yet to have played a baddie in the main series other than [[DemotedToExtra Garlic Jr.]]” He would ultimately voice Super Buu in the Buu Bits.
** The original plan for Android 17 was that he would speak in TotallyRadical fashion, but this was quickly deemed annoying and dropped. The gag was later used when Cell impersonates 17 to try and convince 18 to let herself be absorbed, with the goofy speech patterns proving that Cell knows nothing about either of them.
** According to their ''Budokai 2'' playthrough, TFS's initial script for the Buu Saga had Mr. Satan as a ConspiracyTheorist who, rather than stealing the credit for defeating Cell, was [[CassandraTruth desperately trying to convince the world that the Alien Superbeings who did so are real]].
** In a livestream after the release of ''Broly Abridged'', Lani said that they wanted to cast WebVideo/{{Markiplier}} and WebVideo/JonTron as Broly and Paragus respectively, but it didn't work out because of Mark and Jon's incredibly busy schedules. He also said that they've been speaking with Mark about playing a number of roles, but it probably won't happen for the same reason.
** During the Movie Marathon, the team mentioned the original idea for ''Broly Abridged'' was Paragus trying to get Broly into the Z Fighters group because his son was a massive fan of them. One of the reason this was canned was because the lack of appropriate scenes to make the idea work.
** There was some consideration to skip abridging Broly's movie entirely, likely due to most of the team hating him, but they went through with it.
** A tweet released during the Cell Games shorts seemed to hint at a possible appearance by [[WebAnimation/{{RWBY}} Yang Xiao Long]], but sadly never materialized.
** A couple of days after ''Plan to Eradicate Christmas'' premiered, [=KaiserNeko=] clarified on Twitter that the special was significantly different from
what was originally planned. According to him, rather than being a Christmas-themed parody, it would've been a more straight comical pastiche of ''Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans'', with the main gimmick being that it'd repeatedly shift between the 1993 and 2008 versions of the OVA due to Dr. Raichi's machine causing a tear in the space-time continuum. The special was eventually retooled into a Christmas episode both due to time constraints[[note]][=KaiserNeko=] described the 1993 footage as being too difficult to edit to the intended extent, which makes sense considering how it's only available in sub-par quality at best[[/note]] and because of the surprisingly apt timing of its production. The original plan for the special did end up getting an allusion in the form of a brief sight gag when Goku and company encounter [[spoiler:Santa Claus]] and he accuses Trunks of messing with the space-time continuum, and Trunks insists that the continuum is fine -- while shifting between the modern and 1993 versions mid-sentence.
** TFS wanted to make an Abridged voice pack mod for ''VideoGame/DragonballFighterz'', but dropped the idea after Arc System Works patched the game so that mods are disabled during online play, which effectively rendered the entire idea meaningless.
** When the 10th anniversary livestream got to Nappa's scene in the Season 2 finale, Lani and Taka revealed that they considered including lines implying that Ghost Nappa was just a hallucination on Vegeta's part and that he was crazy and doomed to be haunted by hallucinations of ghosts, with Ghost Guru being Ghost Nappa's successor.
** Originally Episode 28 was going to be two parts, with its second part becoming Episode 29.
** The Ginyu Force showing up on King Kai’s planet was originally going to be cut as the team saw no reason to abridge it due to being pointless filler. However, Lani was able to come up with an idea on how to make it short and funny.
** The audience was going to hear muffled screams from Vegeta after Goku finished burying him on Namek, revealing that he wasn’t dead and that he had accidentally been BuriedAlive. Similarly, Lani had pitched a joke in Episode 30 that when Vegeta woke up after being revived on Namek, Vegeta would end up dying from suffocating underneath the dirt he was buried under because he couldn't dig himself out fast enough.
** In the original ''DBZ'', Freeza says it'll take five minutes for Namek to explode, which becomes laughable considering how many episodes it takes. Team Four Star briefly considered making the final Goku and Freeza fight ''actually five minutes long'', but quickly realized that would be impossible, even for an abridged series. They compromised by Goku questioning [[DumbassHasAPoint if Freeza even knows how long a minute is]].
** The crew mulled the idea of the Cell Jr. fighting Yamcha being noticeably weaker than the others, as a means to explain how Yamcha could hold his own when the others are [[CantCatchUp leagues ahead of him]] and doing just the same. They eventually just cut that bit when they couldn't figure out how to make it fit.
** The song Cell sings as he dies went through a few permutations. They were all set to make it "We'll Meet Again" by Vera Lynn, but [=KaiserNeko=] rejected it and pointed out that Cell and Gohan never really do meet again. (At least not until [[spoiler:''Anime/DragonBallSuperSuperHero'', which came out after Episode 60, and even then it was a clone of Cell, not the real thing]]) [=Takahata101=] was the one to suggest the song eventually used: "My Way" by Creator/FrankSinatra.
** The entirety of ''Bojack Unbound Abridged'' is a case of this. Lani blamed it on scripting difficulties, while Kaiser [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamFourStar/comments/d5blur/setting_the_bojack_record_straight_and_more_from/ went more in-depth]] and explained that the movie had so little story and such a boring villain that it was impossible for them to abridge it to their usual quality; all the jokes they could think of were shallow, uninspired, or mean-spirited. Their experience with this was one of several reasons why they decided to cancel the series as a whole after episode 60.
** The DBZ Movie Marathon on Twitch revealed the script for the ''Broly'' movie was originally much longer and included things like Goku and Broly's first fight, but they realized that would serve essentially as filler and wouldn't mesh with the characterization of Broly they were going for.
** The team had an argument over what music would play during Piccolo's BigDamnHeroes moment in episode 25, with Kaiser aiming for [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Magus' battle theme]] and Lani aiming for [[{{Manga/Bleach}} Number One]]. Ultimately, Kaiser won out.
** Originally, Freeza's line about "playing babysitter" in episode 25 was "playing Casey Anthony", which the team found in terrible taste and would get dated quickly.
** Nail's line about how he'd eventually fade into Piccolo's head in episode 25 was an excuse for the writers to write Nail out in case the Piccolo, Nail, and Kami's SharingABody dynamic didn't work out.
** With the ending of the series, TFS's planned adaptation of the Buu Saga left many ideas on the cutting room floor. Some would eventually see the light of day years later as ''Buu Bits'':
*** Gohan was planned to model his superhero persona on SuperpowerLottery winners like Franchise/{{Superman}}, and Videl would provide a contrast by being a BadassNormal like Franchise/{{Batman}} or [[ComicBook/TheQuestion the Question]].
*** They weren't exactly sure of how the characters would react to Saiyaman, but one idea was that Vegeta would be completely taken in by the identity and not be able to figure out that Gohan and Saiyaman are the same person.
*** As revealed in their playthrough of ''VideoGame/DragonBallZKakarot'', Mr. Satan would have attempted to rebrand himself as "Hercule" to be more "family-friendly", reflecting the original's DubNameChange for the same reason.
*** The team considered continuing the series in the style of ''WebAnimation/DragonShortZ'' to get around Website/YouTube's notoriously strict copyright rules, but that would have required even more time and expense than the previous seasons, and they were already dealing with some serious burnout. They were also concerned that such an ArtShift would negatively affect the series' quality.
*** As mentioned above, [=KaiserNeko=] was penned to play Buu, and ended up at least voicing Super Buu.
*** Both [=Megami33=] and Hnilmik were planned to play Kid Trunks and Goten respectively, to compliment the idea of their mother's voice actors also playing their sons.
*** Vegeta's decision to give himself over to Babidi would be portrayed as a HollywoodMidLifeCrisis, triggered by his growing frustration at getting "domesticated" by life on Earth.
---->'''Vegeta:''' I thought about inviting Krillin over! Krillin! For a barbecue! What happened to me, man?! I used to be cool!
** [[https://youtu.be/t6-N7xJkgmE Taka fought to keep Ginyu alive]] as he wanted to adapt the filler arc where he took over Bulma's body, since she had so little to do Namek.
** The team thought of making a Krillin Owned Count for the movies, but decided to drop the idea. They later elaborated that they largely did it because they did the movie out of as close as they could do to chronological order. If they had there likely ''would'' have been a movie-exclusive owned counter.
** According to the creator commentary, there was going to be a gag in Episode 44 where there were going to be a bunch of picketers outside of Dr. Gero's lab who were protesting to let the fetus Cell live, but was dropped when they couldn't make it work.
** Also in the same episode of creator commentary covering Episode 44, Imperfect Cell was supposed to share the same TalkingToThemself gag that Piccolo had due to his instability that would quickly spiral into a sheer MoodWhiplash into pure NightmareFuel in that Cell can hear ''every single person'' he's absorbed screaming in agony inside of him, but there was nowhere it would have fit or could be implied, so this idea was scrapped.
** In the creator commentary for ''History of Trunks Abridged'', Taka revealed that he was one of the people who auditioned for Future Gohan, much like how Creator/DameonClarke (voice of Cell) voiced the character in the English dub of the original special. His voice for him would've sounded similar to his Bardock voice, but smoother. The Episode Breakdown of the special notes that at least ten people auditioned for the role, including Ganxingba, Lanipator, [[Creator/HowardWang TehExorcist]], and even Nathan Sharp of Music/NateWantsToBattle.
** The creator commentary for Episodes 51 and 52 revealed that Cell's Perfect Form transformation and Gohan's Super Saiyan awakening was supposed to take place at the same time in the same episode [[RuleOfSymbolism for symbolism's sake]], but the crew ran into a road block when they discovered that trying to fit both into the same episode would drastically undermine their impacts, and Gohan's transformation was too important to leave as TheStinger, so they settled on making Perfect Cell's introduction be Episode 51's closing and Gohan's ascension Episode 52's opener, but they still stated that in the canon of their series, both happened around the same time despite the split in episodes.
** The creator commentary for Episode 56 reveals that Lani was penned for the longest time to play Mr. Satan, since his Creator/ChrisRager impression was spot-on. Since Lani was already playing both Vegeta and Piccolo, once the series got closer to Satan's debut, Antfish was casted instead (though Kaiser notes that if Lani wasn't playing both characters, he'd been perfect as Mr. Satan). Lani's Rager/Hercule performance would however be repurposed for one of the voices for the Future Warrior 2/Time Patroller 2 custom characters in ''VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse2''.
** In the creator commentary for the Broly movie, Team Four Star reveals that a scene for Emperor Pilaf ''was'' planned for the CutawayGag of Goku going through his whole RoguesGallery to find out who destroyed South Galaxy instead of an offhand message, in which it is revealed that Pilaf is considered by Goku to be his ArchEnemy due to the fact he was his StarterVillain that framed what a "bad person" is to him starting out despite massively falling off the totem pole early on and becoming a recurring LaughablyEvil villain that's Comic Relief on his best days due being a ButtMonkey. The resulting scene was heavily laced with BlackComedy of Goku being [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically cruel]] to a PTSD-ridden Pilaf as he practically cries in anxiety seeing practically his worst nightmare show up on his doorstep again. Sadly, this was cut for a combination of budget, pacing, and the time crunch the whole special was falling into, demanding its removal despite being fully voiced and edited into a standalone scene beforehand.
** The commentary for Episode 58 talks about how the CallBack to the Arlians was actually planned to be the consequence to Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell in Episode 52, but it didn't sell well with the context of the episode and was shelved until TheStinger for the aforementioned episode where it is instead recontextualized with Cell managing to destroy New Arlia with a stray Kamehameha instead.
** In the commentary for Part 3 of Episode 60, KaiserNeko talks about a brief consideration to make the conversation between Gohan and Goku during his beam clash with Cell entirely an ImagineSpot from Gohan's own mind rather than actually talking to Goku in the afterlife to facilitate this CharacterDevelopment from actively resenting his father for his issues to reaffirming his love for him by changing his own mental image while talking to him—Lanipator called out the problems this would introduce with the Father-Son Kamehameha and would actively undermine Goku's own CharacterDevelopment into at least considering how his actions affected his son by just making the whole conversation he needed to hear a figment of Gohan's imagination, therefore he overruled Kaiser's idea and the moment was played straight like the show.
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* WordOfGod:
** Kaiser mentioned [[https://teamfourstar.com/podcast/tfs-podcast-48-nobody-talks-smack-lordmomstone/ in a podcast]] that he considers all the Abridged Movies {{Alternate Universe}}s where certain events from canon branched off. Cooler and Broly's debut movies, however, are seemingly set up by and edited to fit in with the main series. As for ''Cooler 2'', however, [=KaiserNeko=] went full self-admitted SoapBoxSadie, ranting that it had too many continuity errors to even try and make it fit in the timeline. Amusingly, [[HilariousInHindsight the concept of the movies taking place in alternate timelines is canon]] thanks to ''[[VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse2 Xenoverse 2]]''.
** Kaiser said in the 10th anniversary marathon stream that Princess Snake is [[spoiler:Zarbon's girlfriend]].
** After Episode 55 came out, some fans interpreted the [[CallingYourOrgasms scene at the end]] as Chi-Chi raping Goku in order to conceive Goten; some were upset, while more disturbingly, [[BlackComedyRape some found that interpretation hilarious]], and it got to the point where TFS had to add "rape" (and all variations thereof) to the word filter in their [=YouTube=] comments. Kaiser stepped in both online and in person at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2016 (the weekend after 55 was released) to clarify that it was ''not'' rape, that Goku knows about sex, and that everything that happened was consensual. Episode 56, released soon after, clarified it further, with Goku explaining to Krillin that he knew perfectly well that he could say no; he just [[ChallengeSeeker can't back down from a challenge]] (and it ''feels'' good, and maybe [[ButtMonkey Krillin]] should [[YouNeedToGetLaid try it sometime]]). His real problem is that he [[MissConception didn't know that sex makes babies]].
** After Episode 59 came out, fans complained on Website/{{Reddit}} that TFS had gone too far in perpetuating the "Goku is a bad father" meme by having him force a [[TechnicalPacifist reluctant Gohan]] to fight a recovered Perfect Cell. Kaiser [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamFourStar/comments/6j51cd/dragonball_z_abridged_episode_59_cellgames/djbyc7l/?context=1000 went on Reddit]] to clarify that they don't think that Goku is a ''terrible'' father; he's just not mentally equipped to do the job properly (which is pretty much exactly what Creator/AkiraToriyama had to say on the subject).
** [[https://twitter.com/KaiserNeko/status/1041390289737396224 According to Kaiser,]] Mr. Satan received the lifetime supply of Hetap for "winning" the Cell Games.
** In the Episode 41 Creator Commentary, Lani and Kaiser discuss the three most obvious locations that the Z-Fighters could have kept Goku, those being Goku's home, Kame House, and Capsule Corp. When they bring up Kami's Lookout as a potential option, Kaiser mentions the original series established that there's some sort of magic that prevented people from just flying up to the Lookout with a vehicle (which Bulma would do later in the show anyways). Lani theorizes that after Kami fused with Piccolo, the magic bubble surrounding the lookout disappeared, allowing normal humans and vehicles to fly up there (or into it) without issue, which Kaiser also accepted as part of their canon.
--->'''Lani:''' ''(in Mr. Popo's voice)'' We keep getting hit by airplanes now. [[CrossesTheLineTwice It's funny]].
** In the Episode 54 Creator Commentary, after getting to the scene where Cell quickly shows all of the cities he has been too and noticing [[Manga/DoctorSlump Penguin Village]], Kaiser makes it canon that when Cell went there, he fought [[LethalJokeCharacter Arale]] for a minute [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere before deciding to leave]].
--->'''Kaiser:''' Canonically? Penguin Village? ''Completely safe''. [Cell] got knocked around by Arale, but he put it on the list because technically he showed up there.
** In the Episode 56 Creator Commentary, it's stated the the reason for Dende's personality change between episodes 30 and 56 is a mixture of him ([[DeathIsCheap sort of]]) living through the near-extinction of his race and him being heralded as a celebrity on Namek due to making the wish on Porunga that saved everyone by transporting them to Earth.
*** The commentary also states that the ghost that threw a book at Chi-Chi was Grandpa Gohan.
** The [[BreakThemByTalking breaking speech]] calling out Gohan in Episode 60 from both Cell and, later, Android 16 to push him over the edge is talked about in length during the commentary; the premise about writing them was ''never'' to treat Gohan as weak or pathetic for wishing to be pacifistic, but him refusing to accept TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive and allow Cell to beat the living shit out of him rather than accept Cell is a monster that ''needs'' to be put down due to said MoralDilemma scaring him so much as he doesn't want to call up on his rage to fight someone he doesn't believe is deserving of it, thus it was absolutely necessary to call him out for his refusal in this adaptation to make him see reason. And sure enough, its only after Android 16's cutting speech here followed by Cell callously killing him off that Gohan sees Cell as truly BeyondRedemption and cuts loose to actively seek his death.

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* WordOfGod:
** Kaiser mentioned [[https://teamfourstar.com/podcast/tfs-podcast-48-nobody-talks-smack-lordmomstone/ in a podcast]] that he considers all the Abridged Movies {{Alternate Universe}}s where certain events from canon branched off. Cooler and Broly's debut movies, however, are seemingly set up by and edited to fit in with the main series. As for ''Cooler 2'', however, [=KaiserNeko=] went full self-admitted SoapBoxSadie, ranting that it had too many continuity errors to even try and make it fit in the timeline. Amusingly, [[HilariousInHindsight the concept of the movies taking place in alternate timelines is canon]] thanks to ''[[VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse2 Xenoverse 2]]''.
** Kaiser said in the 10th anniversary marathon stream that Princess Snake is [[spoiler:Zarbon's girlfriend]].
** After Episode 55 came out, some fans interpreted the [[CallingYourOrgasms scene at the end]] as Chi-Chi raping Goku in order to conceive Goten; some were upset, while more disturbingly, [[BlackComedyRape some found that interpretation hilarious]], and it got to the point where TFS had to add "rape" (and all variations thereof) to the word filter in their [=YouTube=] comments. Kaiser stepped in both online and in person at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2016 (the weekend after 55 was released) to clarify that it was ''not'' rape, that Goku knows about sex, and that everything that happened was consensual. Episode 56, released soon after, clarified it further, with Goku explaining to Krillin that he knew perfectly well that he could say no; he just [[ChallengeSeeker can't back down from a challenge]] (and it ''feels'' good, and maybe [[ButtMonkey Krillin]] should [[YouNeedToGetLaid try it sometime]]). His real problem is that he [[MissConception didn't know that sex makes babies]].
** After Episode 59 came out, fans complained on Website/{{Reddit}} that TFS had gone too far in perpetuating the "Goku is a bad father" meme by having him force a [[TechnicalPacifist reluctant Gohan]] to fight a recovered Perfect Cell. Kaiser [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamFourStar/comments/6j51cd/dragonball_z_abridged_episode_59_cellgames/djbyc7l/?context=1000 went on Reddit]] to clarify that they don't think that Goku is a ''terrible'' father; he's just not mentally equipped to do the job properly (which is pretty much exactly what Creator/AkiraToriyama had to say on the subject).
** [[https://twitter.com/KaiserNeko/status/1041390289737396224 According to Kaiser,]] Mr. Satan received the lifetime supply of Hetap for "winning" the Cell Games.
** In the Episode 41 Creator Commentary, Lani and Kaiser discuss the three most obvious locations that the Z-Fighters could have kept Goku, those being Goku's home, Kame House, and Capsule Corp. When they bring up Kami's Lookout as a potential option, Kaiser mentions the original series established that there's some sort of magic that prevented people from just flying up to the Lookout with a vehicle (which Bulma would do later in the show anyways). Lani theorizes that after Kami fused with Piccolo, the magic bubble surrounding the lookout disappeared, allowing normal humans and vehicles to fly up there (or into it) without issue, which Kaiser also accepted as part of their canon.
--->'''Lani:''' ''(in Mr. Popo's voice)'' We keep getting hit by airplanes now. [[CrossesTheLineTwice It's funny]].
** In the Episode 54 Creator Commentary, after getting to the scene where Cell quickly shows all of the cities he has been too and noticing [[Manga/DoctorSlump Penguin Village]], Kaiser makes it canon that when Cell went there, he fought [[LethalJokeCharacter Arale]] for a minute [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere before deciding to leave]].
--->'''Kaiser:''' Canonically? Penguin Village? ''Completely safe''. [Cell] got knocked around by Arale, but he put it on the list because technically he showed up there.
** In the Episode 56 Creator Commentary, it's stated the the reason for Dende's personality change between episodes 30 and 56 is a mixture of him ([[DeathIsCheap sort of]]) living through the near-extinction of his race and him being heralded as a celebrity on Namek due to making the wish on Porunga that saved everyone by transporting them to Earth.
*** The commentary also states that the ghost that threw a book at Chi-Chi was Grandpa Gohan.
** The [[BreakThemByTalking breaking speech]] calling out Gohan in Episode 60 from both Cell and, later, Android 16 to push him over the edge is talked about in length during the commentary; the premise about writing them was ''never'' to treat Gohan as weak or pathetic for wishing to be pacifistic, but him refusing to accept TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive and allow Cell to beat the living shit out of him rather than accept Cell is a monster that ''needs'' to be put down due to said MoralDilemma scaring him so much as he doesn't want to call up on his rage to fight someone he doesn't believe is deserving of it, thus it was absolutely necessary to call him out for his refusal in this adaptation to make him see reason. And sure enough,
WordOfGod: Has [[WordOfGod/DragonBallZAbridged its only after Android 16's cutting speech here followed by Cell callously killing him off that Gohan sees Cell as truly BeyondRedemption and cuts loose to actively seek his death.own page]] now.
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** In the creator commentary for the Broly movie, Team Four Star reveals that a scene for Emperor Pilaf ''was'' planned for the CutawayGag of Goku going through his whole RoguesGallery to find out who destroyed South Galaxy instead of an offhand message, in which it is revealed that Pilaf is considered by Goku to be his ArchEnemy due to the fact he was his StarterVillain that framed what a "bad person" is to him starting out despite massively falling off the totem pole early on and becoming a recurring LaughablyEvil villain that's Comic Relief on his best days due being a ButtMonkey. The resulting scene was heavily laced with BlackComedy of Goku being [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically cruel]] to a PTSD-ridden Pilaf as he practically cries in anxiety seeing practically his worst nightmare show up on his doorstep again. Sadly, this was cut for a combination of budget, pacing, and the time crunch the whole special was falling into, demanding it's removal despite being fully voiced and edited into a standalone scene beforehand.

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** In the creator commentary for the Broly movie, Team Four Star reveals that a scene for Emperor Pilaf ''was'' planned for the CutawayGag of Goku going through his whole RoguesGallery to find out who destroyed South Galaxy instead of an offhand message, in which it is revealed that Pilaf is considered by Goku to be his ArchEnemy due to the fact he was his StarterVillain that framed what a "bad person" is to him starting out despite massively falling off the totem pole early on and becoming a recurring LaughablyEvil villain that's Comic Relief on his best days due being a ButtMonkey. The resulting scene was heavily laced with BlackComedy of Goku being [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically cruel]] to a PTSD-ridden Pilaf as he practically cries in anxiety seeing practically his worst nightmare show up on his doorstep again. Sadly, this was cut for a combination of budget, pacing, and the time crunch the whole special was falling into, demanding it's its removal despite being fully voiced and edited into a standalone scene beforehand.
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** In the commentary for Part 3 of Episode 60, KaiserNeko talks about a brief consideration to make the conversation between Gohan and Goku during his beam clash with Cell entirely an ImagineSpot from Gohan's own mind rather than actually talking to Goku in the afterlife to facilitate this CharacterDevelopment from actively resenting his father for his issues to reaffirming his love for him by changing his own mental image while talking to him—Lanipator called out the problems this would introduce with the Father-Son Kamehameha and would actively undermine Goku's own CharacterDevelopment into at least considering how his actions affected his son by just making the whole conversation he needed to hear a figment of Gohan's imagination, therefore he overruled Kaiser's idea and the moment was played straight like the show.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Despite their being friends with Funimation and many of the official ''DBZ'' voice actors, TFS can't cast any of them in {{Role Reprise}}s because of their contracts.

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* TheDanza: A minor example -- one of the Cell Jr's is named Curtis, and thus shares a name with his voice actor [=Takahata101=].

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* TheDanza: A minor example -- one of the Cell Jr's is named Curtis, and thus shares a name with his voice actor [=Takahata101=]. This is because each Cell Jr was named after each voice actor to play Cell.
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** Taka revealed on his V-Tube channel that, after getting cast as Abridged!Cell, Creator/DameonClarke met him at a con, dragged him outisde, and asked to hear how he intended to play all three forms of Cell. He approved of the first two forms on the spot, but firmly told Taka to make Perfect Cell's voice sound "Less British."

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** Taka revealed on his V-Tube [=VTuber=] channel and in [[https://youtu.be/r3nSeMJHJ0w?si=mzmYM73vEA0kHLHJ&t=234 the Episode 60 Part 3 Creator Commentary]] that, after getting cast as Abridged!Cell, Cell for ''DBZA'', Creator/DameonClarke met him at a con, dragged him outisde, outside, and asked to hear how he intended to play all three forms of Cell. He approved of the first two forms on the spot, but firmly told Taka to make Perfect Cell's voice sound "Less British." British," even going as far as to have keep demonstrating the voice until it was to his liking. After that exchange, he sincerely complimented Taka's portrayal and said it was awesome to meet him. Dameon Clarke would even quote one of Imperfect Cell's lines from ''DBZA'' in his own voice: "Wanna see me drink this guy?"
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** Lanipator has it the worst, voicing Krillin, Popo, Piccolo, Master Roshi, and Vegeta, where there are multiple cases of them talking to each other. The ''Episode of Bardock'' special sees all the proto Saiyans being voiced by Lani (though with some takes supplied by Kaiser), and the ''Buu Bits'' would add Babidi to his list of roles, where he talks to Vegeta before his Majin transformation.

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** Lanipator Creator/{{Lanipator}} has it the worst, voicing Krillin, Popo, Piccolo, Master Roshi, and Vegeta, where there are multiple cases of them talking to each other. The ''Episode of Bardock'' special sees all the proto Saiyans being voiced by Lani (though with some takes supplied by Kaiser), and the ''Buu Bits'' would add Babidi to his list of roles, where he talks to Vegeta before his Majin transformation.



** [=KaiserNeko=] mostly played supporting or peripheral characters before Trunks' arrival, although he ends up talking to himself during scenes with King Kai and Gregory, along with George Takei whenever he interrupts King Kai's telepathic calls. The same happens with Korin and Yajirobe, who live with each other in the former's tower (and were upgraded to a romantic pairing in the Abridged Series). Kaiser does voice his frustration over voicing so many characters with similar sounding voices, including supporting casts.

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** [=KaiserNeko=] Creator/KaiserNeko mostly played supporting or peripheral characters before Trunks' arrival, although he ends up talking to himself during scenes with King Kai and Gregory, along with George Takei whenever he interrupts King Kai's telepathic calls. The same happens with Korin and Yajirobe, who live with each other in the former's tower (and were upgraded to a romantic pairing in the Abridged Series). Kaiser does voice his frustration over voicing so many characters with similar sounding voices, including supporting casts.

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** [=Megami33=] plays Bulma, Puar, and Chiaotzu in the main series, along with baby Trunks in Season 3.

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** [=Megami33=] plays Bulma, Puar, and Chiaotzu in the main series, along with baby and Kid Trunks in Season 3.3 and Buu Bits.



** In TFS Play: ''VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse'' episode 32, Lanipator confirms the fan theory that their created character Dumplin is a young (well, [[TimeAbyss younger]]) Mr. Popo.

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** In TFS Play: Plays: ''VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse'' episode Episode 32, Lanipator confirms the fan theory that their created character Dumplin is a young (well, [[TimeAbyss younger]]) Mr. Popo.



** Many fans wished had TFS continued onwards to the Buu Saga, they'd want to hear Vegeta call Goku "best buddy" when he made his HeroicSacrifice. Buu Bits fulfills that purpose for WebVideo/TotallyNotMark's review of the Buu Saga.

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** Many fans wished had TFS continued onwards to the Buu Saga, they'd want to hear Vegeta call Goku "best buddy" when he made his HeroicSacrifice. Buu Bits ''Buu Bits'' fulfills that purpose for WebVideo/TotallyNotMark's review of the Buu Saga.



* TimeShiftedActor:
** Son Gohan went from being voiced by [=MasakoX=] as a kid in Seasons 1-3 to being voiced by Ryan Palmer when he's a teenager in ''Buu Bits''. Before that, Adult Future Gohan from ''History of Trunks'' was voiced by Zach Holzman and Buu Saga Gohan in the ''Android 13'' special was voiced by Creator/JustinBriner.
** In Buu Bits, [[Creator/KimlinhTran Hnilmik]] plays Kid Goten and Ryan Palmer plays his teenaged self.
** [=Megami33=] plays Baby and Kid Trunks in Season 3 and Buu Bits, while [=KaiserNeko=] plays his teenaged self.



** Kaiser mentioned [[https://teamfourstar.com/podcast/tfs-podcast-48-nobody-talks-smack-lordmomstone/ in a podcast]] that he considers all the Abridged Movies {{Alternate Universe}}s where certain events from canon [[ForWantOfANail branched off]]. Cooler and Broly's debut movies, however, are seemingly set up by and edited to fit in with the main series. As for ''Cooler 2'', however, [=KaiserNeko=] went full self-admitted SoapBoxSadie, ranting that it had too many continuity errors to even try and make it fit in the timeline. Amusingly, [[HilariousInHindsight the concept of the movies taking place in alternate timelines is canon]] thanks to ''[[VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse2 Xenoverse 2]]''.

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** Kaiser mentioned [[https://teamfourstar.com/podcast/tfs-podcast-48-nobody-talks-smack-lordmomstone/ in a podcast]] that he considers all the Abridged Movies {{Alternate Universe}}s where certain events from canon [[ForWantOfANail branched off]].off. Cooler and Broly's debut movies, however, are seemingly set up by and edited to fit in with the main series. As for ''Cooler 2'', however, [=KaiserNeko=] went full self-admitted SoapBoxSadie, ranting that it had too many continuity errors to even try and make it fit in the timeline. Amusingly, [[HilariousInHindsight the concept of the movies taking place in alternate timelines is canon]] thanks to ''[[VideoGame/DragonBallXenoverse2 Xenoverse 2]]''.



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** The [[BreakThemByTalking breaking speech]] calling out Gohan in Episode 60 from both Cell and, later, Android 16 to push him over the edge is talked about in length during the commentary; the premise about writing them was ''never'' to treat Gohan as weak or pathetic for wishing to be pacifistic, but him refusing to accept TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive and allow Cell to beat the living shit out of him rather than accept Cell is a monster that ''needs'' to be put down due to said MoralDilemma scaring him so much as he doesn't want to call up on his rage to fight someone he doesn't believe is deserving of it, thus it was absolutely necessary to call him out for his refusal in this adaptation to make him see reason. And sure enough, its only after Android 16's cutting speech here followed by Cell callously killing him off that Gohan sees Cell as truly BeyondRedemption and cuts loose to actively seek his death.
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* CreatorBacklash:
** [[http://kaiserneko.tumblr.com/post/108159415045/if-theres-any-joke-i-regret-in-dbza KaiserNeko]] regrets the BlackComedyRape joke in episode 19, which a number of fans took issue with. During the anniversary marathon, the scene in question is talked over and ignored entirely, while in the creator commentary, he explains why it's in poor taste and his intentions.
** [[http://kaiserneko.tumblr.com/post/129301123855/dragonball-z-abridged-episode-15-review [=KaiserNeko=]]] also regrets how [[spoiler:Dodoria's UnsettlingGenderReveal]] was handled, feeling that it comes off as transphobic in hindsight. He says that Vegeta's disgusted reaction should be taken as him being a PoliticallyIncorrectVillain, not expressing the views of Team Four Star themselves. He also would've liked to contrast Vegeta's reaction with Krillin's and Gohan's, which, keeping in-character, would've been more accepting and tolerant.
** The guys have commented on their dissatisfaction with some of their earlier episodes, and even dedicated a good portion of the "TIBA Dishonorable Mention" video thrashing the hell out of episode 1. During the 57th episode of their official podcast, they even stated that if they had the chance, they would ''gladly'' redo the early episodes to fit with the show's later style.
** [=KaiserNeko=] did not like how Krillin was written for season 2 where his AdaptationalJerkass personality was pretty much filling in the role for a {{Jerkass}} character. Lani agreed that they would have written him the same way he was in season 3.
** Kaiser also regrets the term "Freaky Alien Genotype", since some fans used it as an alternative to the homophobic slur it's based on.
** They seem to not have held the "Team Three Star" RunningGag in high regard, given this line in the second ''Kai'' episode:
--->'''Vegeta:''' That's not funny! It's never been funny! IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE FUNNY!
** Lani and [=KaiserNeko=] mentions they created Ghost Nappa because he became a fan-favorite character, and tried to add him in the series. When they look back, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdP5nizdEgU they realize Ghost Nappa was underutilized because they felt like he was shoehorned in because of his popularity and didn't really add anything to the show]]. They realize Piccolo and Nail's dynamic worked better due to Namekian fusion, and had a better use for Nail than they did for Ghost Nappa.
** When announcing the abridged version of ''Anime/DragonBallZBojackUnbound'', Lani mentions putting that film at #8 on their "Best Movies & Specials" list, only for the team to rethink that placement as too generous after trying to abridge it. They called the film nearly unworkable for parody, particularly with its {{Generic Doomsday Villain}}s, who barely have any lines, and ExcusePlot. They hated the process of abridging the film so much that they felt they could not prevent that hatred from showing in the final product, and thus decreasing its quality.
** The entire team, most specifically [=KaiserNeko=], have expressed immense frustration with the series being treated as better than the original anime by their fans, claiming they put "Please support the official release" before each episode for a reason. After an article on ''The Mary Sue'' [[https://www.themarysue.com/team-four-star-dbbza-definitive-dbz-dub/ by Princess Weekes]] called the series the definitive dub for ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', the team publicly spoke out against it, and when asked by someone if they should watch the original on Website/{{Reddit}}, Kaiser absolutely ''lost it''.
---> '''[=KaiserNeko=]:''' YES YOU SHOULD WATCH THE ACTUAL FUCKING SHOW, OURS IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO AS GOOD AS THE ACTUAL SHOW, GODDAMNIT!
** Scott admitted on [[https://www.patreon.com/posts/33758684 the Patreon post announcing the end of the series]] that one of the reasons the team decided to end the series after episode 60 was that they didn't want to reach a point where they came to resent working on it.
** Both [=KaiserNeko=] and Lanipator have stated that the depiction of "Goku as a bad dad" was done because it was a running gag in the fandom and they leaned into it, and that had they had a bit more forethought they probably would have come up with a different characterization for Goku. Only Takahata disagrees and believes that it's still accurate and that their heavy-handedness of it early on would later help later scenes hit ''way'' harder.
** [=KaiserNeko=] and Lanipator decided to do a commentary on the first season, and realized some of the jokes (including fourth wall breaks and "Too soon" jokes) did not age well. Kaiser especially can't help but cringe over the quality since "everyone's microphones sucked so much", and visibly {{Face Palm}}s over his less than stellar editing skills at the time. They did agree some jokes (such as the filler Saiyans in the Pendulum Room's dialogues), and Nappa and Mr. Popo's lines, did age really well.
** Kaiser also had negative opinions towards using the orange box due to being compressed and poor quality to use in the first season, since it crops the footage and ruins it. It's why seasons 2 and 3 uses the Dragon Box for the footage and better quality.
** Kaiser, Lani, and especially Taka have all expressed their personal distaste not so much for the [[GagSub Canadian subtitles]] themselves but more that often times people are convinced to use them on their first watch of the show. The short version of the various reasons being that the Canadian subs often give jokes away episodes in advance, aren't written by TFS when people often assume they are, and a lot of the time just aren't funny. In short: They'd much rather that someone uses the Canadian subs on subsequent watches.
** Creator/{{Lanipator}} and Creator/MasakoX look back poorly on the Neighborhood Cluck Productions versions of the first two Abridged movies.
** In his tenth comments replies video, [=MasakoX=] states that he does not feel that he really turned out a good performance as Goku for episodes 14 to 26, apparently due to some undisclosed RealitySubtext that made his life difficult and affected his performance. In particular, his "Ginyu as Goku" role in Episode 23 was hit by real-life frustrations.
** Kaiser regrets the occasional use of the word "retarded" as synonymous for stupid in some of the earlier episodes. Similarly, Taka mentioned in his own creator commentary that he has friends with the dwarfism condition and now regrets letting "midget" into the earlier scripts when characters describe Krillin.
** Kaiser seems to regard Season 1 fairly poorly; on the TFS podcast, in response to a Twitter user asking if the team would redo the show's early episodes if they could, Kaiser gave a wholehearted BigYes. Additionally, the "TIBA Dishonorable Mention" is the first episode of the series, implying that they view it as an OldShame.
** If the [=TeamFourStar=] [[https://clips.twitch.tv/OptimisticStrongMosquitoDuDudu tenth anniversary stream is any indication]], Kaiser is embarrassed by the "Where'd that scouter come from?" scrolling text in Episode 3, saying that if he was better at editing back then, he would've just removed the scouter entirely.
** Much like the "scouter" line, Kaiser is embarrassed by his choice of putting the text "Epic Foreshadowing" on screen after Vegeta tells Nappa he'll die one day in episode 7. In the creator commentary for the episode, Lani gives the phrase a mocking epic reading while Kaiser begs for someone to just end his life right there and then.
** [[https://twitter.com/KaiserNeko/status/878503102940315648 According to KaiserNeko,]] the whole of TFS considers their exaggerations of the "Goku is a bad father" meme to be an old shame to an extent[[note]]the sole notable outspoken exception of the team is [=Takahata101=], who stands by the decision to exaggerate the meme because of it's accuracy, albeit not as a cruel image he wanted to hammer home but a logical end point of how little Goku actually is ''prepared'' at being a father and Z does not give Goku many opportunities to spend any time with his family to prove otherwise[[/note]], especially given how it affected fans' perception of the character in the original. [[https://twitter.com/KaiserNeko/status/1108955135961522176 They did as much as they could to undo this by the end of the Cell Arc.]] Whether or not they succeeded is up for debate.
** The DBZ Movie Marathon revealed Taka isn't fond of the voice he used for South Kai in the ''Broly'' movie, [[JiveTurkey saying it sounded kind of racist]]. He even implied if they ever tackle the Otherworld Tournament, he'd change the voice entirely. His two scenes in the film as South Kai feature him [[CringeComedy burying his face in his hands]].
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* CausticCritic: [=Takahata101=], [[{{Fan}} unlike KaiserNeko or Lanipator]], is the biggest critic towards the source material (especially post-Cell as Goku's {{Flanderization}} into a [[BloodKnight fight-obsessed lunatic]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero routinely threatening the world in desire for a stronger fight]]) of the lead writers on the show as shown in the Creator Commentary, even periodically saying to Kaiser to ''not'' treat the material [[SeriousBusiness more seriously]] than Akira Toriyama did during production of the series and inching the other two towards making (in good jest) jabs towards some of the more spotty writing of ''Dragon Ball''. It should be noted he does not ''hate'' the series, as Taka's mentioned (otherwise he would not have worked on it to begin with), but he's notably a lot more readily critical at the drop of the hat when looking at source material.
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** The commentary for Episode 57 talks about how the CallBack to the Arlians was actually planned to be the consequence to Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell in Episode 52, but it didn't sell well with the context of the episode and was shelved until TheStinger for the aforementioned episode where it is instead recontextualized with Cell managing to destroy New Arlia with a stray Kamehameha instead.

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** They also went out of their way to kill Mr. Satan's students the instant they show up in the Cell Games.
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** They also went out of their way to kill Mr. Satan's students the instant they show up in the Cell Games.Games, feeling they added nothing.
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* CreatorsPest: All three of the founding members ''hate'' Icarus the Dragon, to the point that they killed him at the end of every movie he appeared in.
** They also went out of their way to kill Mr. Satan's students the instant they show up in the Cell Games.
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** Taka revealed on his V-Tube channel that, after getting cast as Abridged!Cell, Creator/DameonClarke met him at a con, dragged him outisde, and asked to hear how he intended to play all three forms of Cell. He approved of the first two forms on the spot, but firmly told Taka to make Perfect Cell's voice sound "Less British."
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** The original ''Dragon Ball Z'' never depicts how Gero's son was killed, and Creator/AkiraToriyama said [[AllThereInTheManual in supplemental material]] only that he was killed in battle by an enemy soldier. The Abridged Series includes a scene which shows that Gero's son was killed (along with many others) by Goku himself in the course of the original ''Manga/DragonBall''. Many fans now adopt the Abridged Series version as {{Fanon}}. This also elaborated further in the Creator Commentary that choosing to have Goku be responsible for Gero's son's death in Abridged canon was a deliberate choice to paint him as more morally gray due to his general indifference rather than sanitize him as Toriyama ended up doing, which was also more favorably received in making Goku a more nuanced character.

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** The original ''Dragon Ball Z'' never depicts how Gero's son was killed, and Creator/AkiraToriyama said [[AllThereInTheManual in supplemental material]] only that he was killed in battle by an enemy soldier. The Abridged Series includes a scene which shows that Gero's son was killed (along with many others) by Goku himself in the course of the original ''Manga/DragonBall''. Many fans now adopt the Abridged Series version as {{Fanon}}. This also elaborated further in the Creator Commentary that choosing to have Goku be responsible for Gero's son's death in Abridged canon was a deliberate choice to paint him as more morally gray due to his general indifference to consequences [[DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist like death]] rather than sanitize him as Toriyama ended up doing, which was also more favorably received in making Goku a more nuanced character.
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** In the creator commentary for the Broly movie, Team Four Star reveals that a scene for Emperor Pilaf ''was'' planned for the CutawayGag of Goku going through his whole RoguesGallery to find out who destroyed South Galaxy instead of an offhand message, in which it is revealed that Pilaf is considered by Goku to be his ArchEnemy due to the fact he was his StarterVillain that framed what a "bad person" is to him starting out despite massively falling off the totem pole early on and becoming a recurring LaughablyEvil villain that's ComicRelief on his best days being a ButtMonkey. The resulting scene was heavily laced with BlackComedy of Goku being [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically cruel]] to a PTSD-ridden Pilaf as he practically cries in anxiety seeing practically his worst nightmare show up on his doorstep again. Sadly, this was cut for a combination of budget, pacing, and the time crunch the whole special was falling into, demanding it's removal despite being fully voiced and edited into a standalone scene beforehand.

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** In the creator commentary for the Broly movie, Team Four Star reveals that a scene for Emperor Pilaf ''was'' planned for the CutawayGag of Goku going through his whole RoguesGallery to find out who destroyed South Galaxy instead of an offhand message, in which it is revealed that Pilaf is considered by Goku to be his ArchEnemy due to the fact he was his StarterVillain that framed what a "bad person" is to him starting out despite massively falling off the totem pole early on and becoming a recurring LaughablyEvil villain that's ComicRelief Comic Relief on his best days due being a ButtMonkey. The resulting scene was heavily laced with BlackComedy of Goku being [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically cruel]] to a PTSD-ridden Pilaf as he practically cries in anxiety seeing practically his worst nightmare show up on his doorstep again. Sadly, this was cut for a combination of budget, pacing, and the time crunch the whole special was falling into, demanding it's removal despite being fully voiced and edited into a standalone scene beforehand.



** The original ''Dragon Ball Z'' never depicts how Gero's son was killed, and Creator/AkiraToriyama said [[AllThereInTheManual in supplemental material]] only that he was killed in battle by an enemy soldier. The Abridged Series includes a scene which shows that Gero's son was killed (along with many others) by Goku himself in the course of the original ''Manga/DragonBall''. Many fans now adopt the Abridged Series version as {{Fanon}}.

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*** For his Perfect Cell voice, Taka directly cited [[Franchise/TheSimpsons Sideshow Bob]] as a source of inspiration, more specifically, Creator/KelseyGrammer's performance during the episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS5E2CapeFeare "Cape Feare"]] and his line "I shall send you to heaven, before I send you to Hell".

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*** For his Perfect Cell voice, Taka directly cited [[Franchise/TheSimpsons [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Sideshow Bob]] as a source of inspiration, more specifically, Creator/KelseyGrammer's performance during the episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS5E2CapeFeare "Cape Feare"]] and his line "I shall send you to heaven, before I send you to Hell".
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*** The commentary also states that the ghost that threw a book at Chi-Chi was Grandpa Gohan.

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