History Trivia / Alien

22nd Feb '17 8:49:34 PM Arawn999
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** Xenomorph - Used once or twice, among many other words, to describe the aliens in the franchise, this word stuck as the standard term used by fans. It became used to specifically refer to the films' creatures in merchandise, the Dark Horse comics, and video-game spinoffs, and was eventually canonized when Xenomorph-[=XX121=] became the official name for the creatures in the ''Out of the Shadows'' trilogy and the ''Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report''.

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** Xenomorph - Used once or twice, twice in the films, among many other words, to describe the aliens in the franchise, this word stuck as the standard term used by fans. It became used to specifically refer to the films' creatures in merchandise, merchandise like the Dark Horse comics, comics and video-game spinoffs, and was eventually canonized when Xenomorph-[=XX121=] Xenomorph [=XX121=] became the official name for the creatures in the ''Out of the Shadows'' trilogy and trilogy, the ''Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report''.Report'', and the ''Film/AlienCovenant'' promotional website.



* FlipFlopOfGod: Whether the 3rd and 4th films are canon. In 2014, the ''Literature/AlienOutOfTheShadows'' trilogy of novels was officially recognized by Fox as canon to the ContinuityReboot of the franchise, but when the author of the second novel was going to disregard ''3'' and ''Resurrection'', they made him include references to them. In a 2016 interview Sigourney Weaver said that ''Alien 5'' is set in an AlternateUniverse that "[runs] parallel" to the 3rd and 4th films, where Newt and Hicks survived.

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* FlipFlopOfGod: Whether the 3rd and 4th films are canon. In 2014, the ''Literature/AlienOutOfTheShadows'' trilogy of novels was officially recognized by Fox as canon to the ContinuityReboot of the franchise, but when the author of the second novel was going to disregard ''3'' and ''Resurrection'', they made him include references to them. In a 2016 interview Sigourney Weaver said that ''Alien 5'' is would be set in an AlternateUniverse that "[runs] parallel" to the 3rd and 4th films, where Newt and Hicks survived.



* GodNeverSaidThat: After Neill Blomkamp and Sigourney Weaver made ambiguous comments about the fifth film being a followup to the second movie in early 2015, sites began reporting that that the fifth movie was going to finally decanonize the controversial ''3'' and ''Resurrection''ólong regarded as FanonDiscontinuity by many fans. Blomkamp eventually had to come out and clarify that his statements had been taken out of context, and that the 3rd and 4th films were still canon. Concept art of an adult Newt [[FlipFlopOfGod makes the validity of that statement questionable]].

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* GodNeverSaidThat: After Neill Blomkamp and Sigourney Weaver made ambiguous comments about the fifth film being a followup to the second movie in early 2015, sites began reporting that that the fifth movie was going to finally decanonize the controversial ''3'' and ''Resurrection''ólong ''Resurrection''-ólong regarded as FanonDiscontinuity by many fans. Blomkamp eventually had to come out and clarify clarified that his statements had been taken out of context, and that the 3rd and 4th films were still canon. Concept canon, but concept art of an adult Newt [[FlipFlopOfGod makes the validity of that statement questionable]].questionable]] - though Sigorney Weaver's statement that the fifth film would take place in an alternate timeline clears the issue.



** A near case with Neill Blomkamp's Alien sequel. Blomkamp had been making conceptual art in his free time as a possible but unlikely film pitch since Fox didn't even know about his ideas. When the art was released on the internet, Fox surprisingly took interest and hired him for the project.

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** A near Thus far the case with Neill Blomkamp's fifth Alien sequel.film. Blomkamp had been making conceptual art in his free time as a possible but unlikely film pitch since Fox didn't even know about his ideas. When the art was released on the internet, Fox surprisingly took interest and hired him for the project. However, the film was put on hold pending ''Alien: Covenant'', and Blomkamp has moved on to other projects and stated the chances of it being put through are slim.
28th Jan '17 7:38:38 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* BillingDisplacement: Tom Skeritt (Dallas) is billed above SigourneyWeaver in the credits, as Ridley Scott did not want to spoil the fact that Ripley was going to be the lone survivor of the ''Nostromo''. Of course, [[LateArrivalSpoiler the existence of the sequels make this impossible now]].

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* BillingDisplacement: Tom Skeritt (Dallas) is billed above SigourneyWeaver Creator/SigourneyWeaver in the credits, as Ridley Scott did not want to spoil the fact that Ripley was going to be the lone survivor of the ''Nostromo''. Of course, [[LateArrivalSpoiler the existence of the sequels make this impossible now]].



** Yaphet Kotto did a lot of improv acting. Scott played along with it, and advised him to antagonize Sigourney Weaver, so their conflict later in the film would be more believable. When Ripley yells at Parker to "SHUT UP!" after Dallas's death, Weaver already had to listen to Kotto talking over her dialogue dozens of times.

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** Yaphet Kotto Creator/YaphetKotto did a lot of improv acting. Scott played along with it, and advised him to antagonize Sigourney Weaver, so their conflict later in the film would be more believable. When Ripley yells at Parker to "SHUT UP!" after Dallas's death, Weaver already had to listen to Kotto talking over her dialogue dozens of times.



** Creator/HarrisonFord turned down the role of Captain Dallas in ''Alien''.

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** Creator/HarrisonFord turned down the role of Captain Dallas in ''Alien''.Dallas.
23rd Jan '17 11:02:53 AM fearlessnikki
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* ActorInspiredElement: According to Sigourney Weaver, Lambert in the original script was the DeadpanSnarker of the group and also the OnlySaneMan - who wouldn't crack up until the end. Veronica Cartwright made her into more of a Woobie, to give the audience someone to sympathise with.



** Cartwright ''really'' slapped Creator/SigourneyWeaver. That wasn't just a sound effect, and Weaver's recoil and look of shock is genuine. According to the actress in the DVD commentary, she was fed up with Sigourney, who at that point had acted only on the stage and so was not used to pretending to get hit, instinctively flinching away from the slap and so, after numerous failed takes, faked the first slap and then properly hit her when she flinched.

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** Veronica Cartwright ''really'' slapped Creator/SigourneyWeaver. That wasn't just a sound effect, and Weaver's recoil and look of shock is genuine. According to the actress in the DVD commentary, she was fed up with Sigourney, who at that point had acted only on the stage and so was not used to pretending to get hit, instinctively flinching away from the slap and so, after numerous failed takes, faked the first slap and then properly hit her when she flinched.



** Heck, this film is one of the few good examples of this trope paying off. The above detail of Ash was introduced by two of the producers associated with Fox, David Giler and Creator/WalterHill, who also extensively rewrote the script to give a more natural flow to characters' lines and interactions. Definitely appears to have paid off.
** Another big one was Scott wanting the final scene where Ripley was giving the last report of the ship and her crew to be the alien using Ripley's voice. The suits really had to fight him on that one.

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** Heck, this film is one of the few good examples of this trope paying off. The above detail of Ash was introduced by two of the producers associated with Fox, David Giler and Creator/WalterHill, who also extensively rewrote the script to give a more natural flow to characters' lines and interactions. Definitely appears to have paid off.
** Another big one was Ridley Scott wanting the final scene where Ripley was giving the last report of the ship and her crew to be the alien using Ripley's voice. The suits really had to fight him on that one.



* GenderFlip: Ripley was written so that the character could be played by either a woman or a man.



* ThrowItIn: According to Website/{{IMDb}}, most of the dialogue was ad-libbed.
** There is a long-shot late in the film during the confrontation between Ash and Ripley where the camera tracks with Ash. The camera actually knocks into some of the chimes hanging from the ceiling before Ash passes by them, and the sound and visible swinging of them is clear in the final cut. That take gives a sense of Ash projecting menace beyond the confines of his own body.
* TroubledProduction: It had a smoother production than most of its sequels, but not an entirely trouble-free one. Most of the problems that did occur were in pre-production, firstly when the producers were having trouble finding a studio to back the film, and then when looking for a director. They were initially keen to hire Robert Aldrich, but when they actually met him, they were dismayed to find that he didn't give a shit at all about their vision and was just looking for a quick paycheck. Several more directors passed on the project, and producer Walter Hill considered directing it himself before a sample of Creator/RidleyScott's work just happened to pass his desk.

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* ThrowItIn: According to Website/{{IMDb}}, most of the dialogue was ad-libbed.
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There is a long-shot late in the film during the confrontation between Ash and Ripley where the camera tracks with Ash. The camera actually knocks into some of the chimes hanging from the ceiling before Ash passes by them, and the sound and visible swinging of them is clear in the final cut. That take gives a sense of Ash projecting menace beyond the confines of his own body.
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It had a smoother production than most of its sequels, but not an entirely trouble-free one. Most of the problems that did occur were in pre-production, firstly when the producers were having trouble finding a studio to back the film, and then when looking for a director. They were initially keen to hire Robert Aldrich, but when they actually met him, they were dismayed to find that he didn't give a shit at all about their vision and was just looking for a quick paycheck. Several more directors passed on the project, and producer Walter Hill considered directing it himself before a sample of Creator/RidleyScott's work just happened to pass his desk.



** Creator/RidleyScott and some of the cast mention in the audio commentary that he had the idea that casual sex happened between any and all members of the group [[EveryoneIsBi regardless of sex]], and that, in hindsight, he would have liked to show a homosexual relationship. A scene related to this would have been a conversation between Ripley and Lambert, one clarifying that they had either had sex or been solicited for sex by every man on the ship except Ash, as a way of foreshadowing that he is, in fact, an android.
*** Related to the above example, there were talks of a lesbian relationship between Ripley and Lambert.
*** The novelization by Creator/AlanDeanFoster, based on earlier screenplay edits, strengthens the casual sex implications by including a scene where Ripley directly asks Lambert if she slept with Ash. Lambert replies that she hadn't, but only because Ash didn't seem interested.

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** Creator/RidleyScott and some of the cast mention in the audio commentary that he had the idea that casual sex happened between any and all members of the group [[EveryoneIsBi regardless of sex]], and that, in hindsight, he would have liked to show a homosexual relationship. A scene related to this would have been a conversation between Ripley and Lambert, one clarifying that they had either had sex or been solicited for sex by every man on the ship except Ash, as a way of foreshadowing that he is, in fact, an android.
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android. Related to the above example, there were talks of a lesbian relationship between Ripley and Lambert.
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Lambert. The novelization by Creator/AlanDeanFoster, based on earlier screenplay edits, strengthens the casual sex implications by including a scene where Ripley directly asks Lambert if she slept with Ash. Lambert replies that she hadn't, but only because Ash didn't seem interested.




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** More nudity was going to be in the film, with the characters often walking around naked to show how comfortable they are with each other. Ripley was supposed to be nude when she changes into the spacesuit at the end - and the alien was even going to be DistractedByTheSexy for a moment. But producers were worried that the film would be banned in other countries, and insisted Ripley be wearing underwear.
19th Jan '17 5:10:37 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** Creator/HelenMirren auditioned for a role (most likely Ripley).
11th Jan '17 7:43:45 PM Anicomicgeek
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* FranchiseKiller: Not everyone was very happy about how ''3'' or ''Resurrection'' turned out, and [[IntercontinuityCrossover mashing it up]] with ''Franchise/{{Predator}}'' hasn't done much to restore faith in the series. The games tended to do better than the films.

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* FranchiseKiller: Not everyone was very happy about how ''3'' or ''Resurrection'' turned out, and [[IntercontinuityCrossover mashing it up]] with ''Franchise/{{Predator}}'' hasn't done much to restore faith in the series. The games tended to do better than the films. Sigourney Weaver felt this way about the series. She didn't want to do another one after ''Aliens'' so she could move on to other projects. Ripley's death at the end of the third movie was included at her insistence, to make any further sequels starring her impossible. After that the writers had to resort to cloning the character, but she agreed to reprise the role again when Fox offered her an additional producer credit that would give her an 11 million dollar salary (which was more than ''the entire budget of the first film''[[note]]Although unadjusted for inflation, mind you[[/note]]), and because she thought the ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' concept which was pitched around at the time sounded awful. They later made this spin-off as well anyway... and even an even more awful sequel to it. Said crossover franchise has had a healthy life in video games, though. She finally signed back on with ''VideoGame/AlienIsolation'' because she thought it genuinely added something new to the franchise.
24th Dec '16 7:22:35 PM FearlessSon
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24th Dec '16 2:46:43 PM FearlessSon
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** Related to the above example, there were talks of a lesbian relationship between Ripley and Lambert.

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** *** Related to the above example, there were talks of a lesbian relationship between Ripley and Lambert.Lambert.
*** The novelization by Creator/AlanDeanFoster, based on earlier screenplay edits, strengthens the casual sex implications by including a scene where Ripley directly asks Lambert if she slept with Ash. Lambert replies that she hadn't, but only because Ash didn't seem interested.
24th Dec '16 2:38:03 PM FearlessSon
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** There is a long-shot late in the film during the confrontation between Ash and Ripley where the camera tracks with Ash. The camera actually knocks into some of the chimes hanging from the ceiling before Ash passes by them, and the sound and visible swinging of them is clear in the final cut. That take gives a sense of Ash projecting menace beyond the confines of his own body.
1st Sep '16 3:05:09 PM erforce
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** Production itself was relatively smooth, the main problems being friction between the producers and screenwriter Dan O'Bannon (who didn't like that Hill had rewritten the screenplay to have more gritty and realistic dialogue), and the visual effects team being sorely under-funded and under-equipped, which resulted in cinematographer Derek Vanlint having to gather up all his lighting equipment and lend it to the VFX team at the end of each day. Additionally, Music/JerryGoldsmith composed a substantial amount of music for the film, only for Scott to throw most of it out and have the finished product largely unscored while replacing some of the music with a Howard Hanson composition and tracking in Goldsmith's music from ''Film/{{Freud}}'', enraging Goldsmith and resulting in the two not working together again until ''Film/{{Legend}}'' (where the music was also screwed with).

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** Production itself was relatively smooth, the main problems being friction between the producers and screenwriter Dan O'Bannon (who didn't like that Hill had rewritten the screenplay to have more gritty and realistic dialogue), and the visual effects team being sorely under-funded and under-equipped, which resulted in cinematographer Derek Vanlint having to gather up all his lighting equipment and lend it to the VFX team at the end of each day. Additionally, Music/JerryGoldsmith composed a substantial amount of music for the film, only for Scott to throw most of it out and have the finished product largely unscored while replacing some of the music with a Howard Hanson composition and tracking in Goldsmith's music from ''Film/{{Freud}}'', enraging Goldsmith and resulting in the two not working together again until ''Film/{{Legend}}'' ''Film/{{Legend 1985}}'' (where the music was also screwed with).
26th Aug '16 8:30:28 AM MrNickelodeon
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** The franchise nearly got a Disney theme park ride at Tomorrowland involving a Xenomorph being accidentally released into a confined spaceship with the guests. Due to some of the management not wanting to associate with an R-rated movie (a movie they've since gone back on), changes were made at the last minute to create "Alien Encounter: Extra-TERROR-estrial", such as using an original species that was a vague Xenomorph expy.

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** The Of all the places, the Ride/DisneyThemeParks intended to make the franchise nearly got into a Disney theme park ride at Tomorrowland involving a Xenomorph being accidentally released into a confined spaceship with the guests. Due to some of the management not wanting to associate with an R-rated movie (a movie they've since gone back on), changes were made at the last minute to create "Alien Encounter: Extra-TERROR-estrial", ''[[Ride/AlienEncounter The [=ExtraTERRORestrial=] Alien Encounter]]'', such as using an original species that was a vague Xenomorph expy. Another idea that had also been considered was a LightGunGame ride where guests would take aim at Xenomorphs invading a spaceship, but this too never came to be. ''Alien'' was finally able to make it into the Disney parks in 1989, when it was included among the many scenes of ''Ride/TheGreatMovieRide'' at Disney's Hollywood Studios.
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