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8th Apr '18 10:32:14 PM Synchronicity
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* DuelingMessiahs:
** Invoked by Demandred in the last book, setting himself up as "the Wyld", a figure from [[spoiler: Sharan]] prophecy in opposition to "the Dragon" aka Rand al'Thor, the main character and MessianicArchetype of the series and reincarnation of Demandred's hated rival. Demandred repeatedly describes himself as a savior, says of Rand that "he is false and I am true" and challenges Rand to come and fight him to prove who is the ''real'' messiah. [[spoiler: Rather amusingly, Demandred never actually ''meets'' Rand on-page; he's killed off by Lan, a perfectly ordinary mortal (albeit one of the greatest swordsmen of all time) and because of his assumed messianic role, his death utterly breaks the morale of his troops]].
** Prior to Demandred were the false Dragons, Taim and an unnamed one, who were both engaged in battle when Rand was declared Dragon by fulfilling the prophecy. They were knocked from their horses. Taim was captured, but the other one wasn't so lucky. It was explained that with the true Dragon revealed, [[BecauseDestinySaysSo the Pattern rejected any false ones]].
7th Mar '18 1:15:47 PM Generality
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* CallARabbitASmeerp: The Seanchan ride ''s'redit'' (elephants) and are known to enjoy a good cup of ''kaf'' (coffee). The Aiel are growing ''zemai'' instead of corn, ''algode'' instead of cotton and ''t'mat'' for tomato, and are drinking ''oosquai'' instead of whiskey. While these smeerps (and the Seanchan ones, too) are at least partially justified, being unknown outside the Aiel Waste, this is not so with tabac (this smeerp tends to get lost in translation, anyway). However, one suspects that Jordan was actually playing on linguistic drift here. ''Zemai'' is an anagram of ''maize''. ''Algode'' is nearly ''algodon'', Spanish for ''cotton'', ''t'mat'' ought to be self explanatory, and ''tabac'' is an archaic word for ''tobacco''. Beyond all these examples, the word "slave" is never mentioned (except in ''The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time'')(incorrect, it is at least mentionned once in The Gathering Storm, when Egwene is thinking about the Seachans). They have ''da'covale'' in Seanchan, ''gai'shain'' (not exactly slaves if not captured by [[spoiler:Shaido Aiel]]) in the Waste, and people "sold like animals" in Shara.

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* CallARabbitASmeerp: The Seanchan ride ''s'redit'' (elephants) and are known to enjoy a good cup of ''kaf'' (coffee). The Aiel are growing ''zemai'' instead of corn, ''algode'' instead of cotton and ''t'mat'' for tomato, and are drinking ''oosquai'' instead of whiskey. While these smeerps (and the Seanchan ones, too) are at least partially justified, being unknown outside the Aiel Waste, this is not so with tabac (this smeerp tends to get lost in translation, anyway). However, one suspects that Jordan was actually playing on linguistic drift here. ''Zemai'' is an anagram of ''maize''. ''Algode'' is nearly ''algodon'', Spanish for ''cotton'', ''t'mat'' for a red fruit ought to be self explanatory, and ''tabac'' is an archaic word for ''tobacco''. Beyond all these examples, the word "slave" is never mentioned (except in ''The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time'')(incorrect, it is at least mentionned Time'' and once in The Gathering Storm, when Egwene is thinking about the Seachans).Seanchan). They have ''da'covale'' in Seanchan, ''gai'shain'' (not exactly slaves if not captured by [[spoiler:Shaido Aiel]]) in the Waste, and people "sold like animals" in Shara.
7th Mar '18 11:00:06 AM Jorask
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* CallARabbitASmeerp: The Seanchan ride ''s'redit'' (elephants) and are known to enjoy a good cup of ''kaf'' (coffee). The Aiel are growing ''zemai'' instead of corn, ''algode'' instead of cotton and ''t'mat'' for tomato, and are drinking ''oosquai'' instead of whiskey. While these smeerps (and the Seanchan ones, too) are at least partially justified, being unknown outside the Aiel Waste, this is not so with tabac (this smeerp tends to get lost in translation, anyway). However, one suspects that Jordan was actually playing on linguistic drift here. ''Zemai'' is an anagram of ''maize''. ''Algode'' is nearly ''algodon'', Spanish for ''cotton'', ''t'mat'' ought to be self explanatory, and ''tabac'' is an archaic word for ''tobacco''. Beyond all these examples, the word "slave" is never mentioned (except in ''The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time''). They have ''da'covale'' in Seanchan, ''gai'shain'' (not exactly slaves if not captured by [[spoiler:Shaido Aiel]]) in the Waste, and people "sold like animals" in Shara.

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* CallARabbitASmeerp: The Seanchan ride ''s'redit'' (elephants) and are known to enjoy a good cup of ''kaf'' (coffee). The Aiel are growing ''zemai'' instead of corn, ''algode'' instead of cotton and ''t'mat'' for tomato, and are drinking ''oosquai'' instead of whiskey. While these smeerps (and the Seanchan ones, too) are at least partially justified, being unknown outside the Aiel Waste, this is not so with tabac (this smeerp tends to get lost in translation, anyway). However, one suspects that Jordan was actually playing on linguistic drift here. ''Zemai'' is an anagram of ''maize''. ''Algode'' is nearly ''algodon'', Spanish for ''cotton'', ''t'mat'' ought to be self explanatory, and ''tabac'' is an archaic word for ''tobacco''. Beyond all these examples, the word "slave" is never mentioned (except in ''The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time'').Time'')(incorrect, it is at least mentionned once in The Gathering Storm, when Egwene is thinking about the Seachans). They have ''da'covale'' in Seanchan, ''gai'shain'' (not exactly slaves if not captured by [[spoiler:Shaido Aiel]]) in the Waste, and people "sold like animals" in Shara.
2nd Mar '18 1:52:50 PM DoctorDetective
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* BlackComedyRape: Mat's deeply disturbing relationship with [[MrsRobinson Tylin]]. Like how she undresses him at knifepoint, for starters... Oh, she doesn't force him to undress by pointing a knife at him, oh no, [[spoiler:she uses the knife to undress him and have her way with him]], {{Squick}}ed out yet?



* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: Mat, over the course of weeks, is repeatedly raped at knife-point by the much older Queen of Ebou Dar. This is treated as [[BlackComedyRape comedy]] because Mat [[DisproportionateRetribution is normally a consummate flirt]]. If Egwene or Min had been put in such a situation with a much older man, everyone would be rightly outraged.

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* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: Mat, over the course of weeks, is repeatedly raped at knife-point by the much older Queen of Ebou Dar. This is not treated as [[BlackComedyRape comedy]] because Mat [[DisproportionateRetribution is normally a consummate flirt]]. If Egwene or Min had been put in such a situation with a anything close to as much older man, everyone of a crime as it would be rightly outraged.if their genders were reversed, especially by the other characters.
18th Jan '18 11:40:30 AM slvstrChung
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** GenderRestrictedAbility: There are a great variety of differences between male and female channelers of the One Power, the first being that women draw from the female half ''saidar'', and men draw from its opposite ''saidin''. Women can weave more flows, but men can draw larger quantities of Power. Women create Gateways by making two areas 'similar', [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything whereas men 'forcefully' bore holes]] into the fabric of space. Female channelers who begin to manipulate the One Power can be seen to glow, but only by other female channelers; men instead feel a tingling feeling when a woman is channeling. In the case of men channeling, a man able to channel get a strong feeling of menace from another man channeling, but women cannot detect a man channeling at all, other than the effects. Even the ''way'' you channel is different: women must "surrender to" ''saidar'', while men must "grasp" ''saidin'', and if you try it the other gender's way, you get very dead very quickly. If ''saidar'' is tai chi, ''saidin'' is shaolin kung fu (or Krav Maga). Or more specifically, Yin and Yang.

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** GenderRestrictedAbility: There are a great variety of differences between male and female channelers of the One Power, the first being that women draw from the female half ''saidar'', and men draw from its opposite ''saidin''. Women can weave more flows, but men can draw larger quantities of Power. Women create Gateways by making two areas 'similar', [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything whereas men 'forcefully' bore holes]] into the fabric of space. Female channelers who begin to manipulate the One Power can be seen to glow, but only by other female channelers; men instead feel a tingling feeling when a woman is channeling. In the case of men channeling, a man able to channel get a strong feeling of menace from another man channeling, but women cannot detect a man channeling at all, other than the effects. Even the ''way'' you channel is different: women must "surrender to" ''saidar'', while men must "grasp" ''saidin'', and if you try it the other gender's way, you get very dead very quickly. If ''saidar'' is tai chi, ''saidin'' is shaolin kung fu (or Krav Maga). Or more specifically, Yin and Yang.



** MagicAIsMagicA: One of the reasons this series is so popular with physicists, chemists and other science-y types is that Power operates on clearly defined rules that (for the most part) don't get broken. When the mains inevitably gain massive amounts of power and ability, it doesn't feel like an AssPull so much as simply rediscovering talents lost to the ages. There are also a variety of special rules associated with certain weaves: most forms of Healing consume the body's energy, and the Healee is often ravenous for days afterwards; alternately, Traveling (directly to the location) and Skimming (via [[SubspaceOrHyperspace hyperspace]]) both create portals for fast transportation, but require strong familiarity with the departure point and destination, respectively.
** SuperpowerMeltdown: A major risk with channeling, though it's rarely shown. Every channeler has a certain "strength," corresponding to how much of the Power they can draw safely. Go further than that (without the aid of an ''[[AmplifierArtifact angreal]]'') and they might [[{{depower}} sever]] themselves. Or render themselves brain-dead. Or kill themselves. Or disintegrate themselves in a PillarOfLight that results in a volcano and a brand-new mountain, called "Dragonmount" because that's where The Dragon killed himself, if there's enough strength. More likely to happen to people who have TheGift but no training. The series does a good job of making The One Power sound dangerous. Lews Therin Telamon[[spoiler:, Aginor's first body, and eventually Egwene al'Vere]] fall victim to this.

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** MagicAIsMagicA: One of the reasons this series is so popular with physicists, chemists and other science-y types is that Power operates on clearly defined rules that (for the most part) don't get broken. When the mains inevitably gain massive amounts of power and ability, it doesn't feel like an AssPull so much as simply rediscovering talents lost to the ages. There are also a variety of special rules associated with certain weaves: most forms of Healing consume are CastFromCalories (or at least the body's energy, and the Healee is often ravenous for days afterwards; Healee's calories); alternately, Traveling (directly to the location) and Skimming (via [[SubspaceOrHyperspace hyperspace]]) both create portals for fast transportation, but require strong familiarity with the departure point and destination, respectively.
** SuperpowerMeltdown: A major risk with channeling, though it's rarely shown. Every channeler has a certain "strength," corresponding to how much of the Power they can draw safely. Go further than that (without the aid of an ''[[AmplifierArtifact angreal]]'') and they might [[{{depower}} sever]] themselves. Or render themselves brain-dead. Or kill themselves. Or disintegrate themselves in a PillarOfLight that results in a volcano and a brand-new mountain, called "Dragonmount" because that's where The Dragon killed himself, if there's enough strength. More likely to happen to people who have TheGift but no training. The series does a good job of making The One Power sound dangerous. Lews Therin Telamon[[spoiler:, Telamon, [[spoiler:, Aginor's first body, and eventually Egwene al'Vere]] fall victim to this.
16th Jan '18 6:49:28 PM slvstrChung
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* CharacterTiers: {{invoked}}. To avoid FanWank, Jordan deliberately grouped his female channelers into tiers, analogizing them to each other but not explaining the exact strength relations ''between'' the tiers besides "stronger" and "weaker". The worldbuilding book ''[[http://a.co/3DFPTE6 The Wheel of Time Companion]]'' did set down definitive strengths... but only ''after'' the series was over. Before then, fans had to go by the books themselves, which grouped people thusly:
## '''God Tier:''' Nynaeve. The strongest there is. ([[OhCrap Most of the female Forsaken were still stronger than her]].) This was so astoundingly strong that, when {{Mauve Shirt}}s showed up at this level, Nynaeve had fairly serious bouts of insecurity.
## '''Top Tier:''' Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha. The exact definition of who goes into what tier can always be fuzzy; the words on the page indicated that Jordan intended for Aviendha to be considered equal in strength to the other two, but the ''Companion'' places her about halfway between them and...
## '''High Tier:''' Moirane, Siuan, Lelaine, Romanda. It should be noted that, until Egwene and Nynaeve arrived at the White Tower, women at this strength were considered to be God Tier.

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* CharacterTiers: {{invoked}}. To avoid FanWank, Jordan deliberately grouped his female channelers into tiers, analogizing them to each other but not explaining the exact strength relations ''between'' the tiers besides "stronger" and "weaker". The worldbuilding book ''[[http://a.co/3DFPTE6 The Wheel of Time Companion]]'' did set down definitive strengths...strengths, grouping women on a 72-level ladder... but only ''after'' the series was over. Before then, fans had to go by the books themselves, which grouped people thusly:
## '''God Tier:''' Nynaeve. The strongest there is. ([[OhCrap Most of the female Forsaken were still stronger than her]].) This was so astoundingly strong that, when {{Mauve Shirt}}s showed up at this level, tier, Nynaeve had fairly serious bouts of insecurity.
insecurity about it. Also, [[OhCrap most of the female Forsaken were still stronger than her]].
## '''Top Tier:''' Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha. The exact definition of who goes into what tier can is always be fuzzy; the words on the page third book indicated that Jordan intended for Aviendha to be considered equal in strength to the other two, but the ''Companion'' places her about halfway between them and...
## '''High Tier:''' Moirane, Siuan, Lelaine, Romanda. It should be noted that, until Egwene and Nynaeve arrived at the White Tower, women at this strength were considered to be God Tier. (Nynaeve, raw and untrained, was still 9 levels stronger than them.)


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## '''Bottom Tier:''' Women who were so weak that they wouldn't even be allowed to take the Aes Sedai confirmation tests. (This was the bottom 26 levels of the ladder.) Such women were trained enough to make sure they wouldn't blow themselves up with the Power, but allowed to leave if they wanted to.
16th Jan '18 6:43:00 PM slvstrChung
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* CharacterTiers: {{invoked}}. To avoid FanWank, Jordan deliberately grouped his female channelers into tiers, analogizing them to each other but not explaining the exact strength relations ''between'' the tiers besides "stronger" and "weaker". The worldbuilding book ''[[http://a.co/3DFPTE6 The Wheel of Time Companion]]'' did set down definitive strengths... but only ''after'' the series was over. Before then, fans had to go by the books themselves, which grouped people thusly:
## '''God Tier:''' Nynaeve. The strongest there is. ([[OhCrap Most of the female Forsaken were still stronger than her]].) This was so astoundingly strong that, when {{Mauve Shirt}}s showed up at this level, Nynaeve had fairly serious bouts of insecurity.
## '''Top Tier:''' Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha. The exact definition of who goes into what tier can always be fuzzy; the words on the page indicated that Jordan intended for Aviendha to be considered equal in strength to the other two, but the ''Companion'' places her about halfway between them and...
## '''High Tier:''' Moirane, Siuan, Lelaine, Romanda. It should be noted that, until Egwene and Nynaeve arrived at the White Tower, women at this strength were considered to be God Tier.
## '''Mid Tier:''' A bunch of people, but with one distinction: they were strong enough to use the PortalDoor spell called Traveling.
## '''Low Tier:''' Everyone who couldn't Travel. This actually resulted in LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters being considered weak, as the amount of strength necessary for Traveling was a fair bit higher than average.
14th Jan '18 8:02:50 AM MisterTambourineMan
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** ''Ta'averen'' would be another example; they do gain a lot of power and influence just for existing, but at a ''heavy'' price.
*** If it's unclear what the price is, it's the exact same thing as the benefit: important stuff and coincidences relevant to the plot always happen to you. Whether that ends well or poorly is sort of up to the user, and Mat is really the only one that exploits the phenomenon adeptly by realizing that a stupid plan that hinges on a roll of the dice will work for him ''reliably'' so long as he figures out exactly how much he twists the odds.

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** ''Ta'averen'' would be another example; they do gain a lot of power and influence just for existing, but at a ''heavy'' price.
*** If it's unclear what the price is, it's the exact same thing as the benefit:
example: important stuff and coincidences relevant to the plot always happen to you. Whether that ends well or poorly is sort of up to the user, and Mat is really the only one that exploits the phenomenon adeptly by realizing that a stupid plan that hinges on a roll of the dice will work for him ''reliably'' so long as he figures out exactly how much he twists the odds.



* BowAndSwordInAccord: All three Two Rivers heroes are well-trained in the use of their longbows as well as their melee weapons. Oddly enough Rand, the only one of the three to actually use a sword, is the only one to cease using bows. [[spoiler: Though, it would be hard to use a bow with only one hand...]]
** In Rand's case, being able to use the One Power means a bow is pretty superfluous.

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* BowAndSwordInAccord: All three Two Rivers heroes are well-trained in the use of their longbows as well as their melee weapons. Oddly enough Rand, the only one of the three to actually use a sword, is the only one to cease using bows. [[spoiler: Though, it would be hard to use a bow with only one hand...]]
** In Rand's case, being able to use the One Power means a bow is pretty superfluous.
hand.]]



** Well, not entirely, because most know that if they say something right out it's true. [[spoiler:Unless they're Black Ajah...]]
*** Which loops back in on itself as Aes Sedai are infamous for making it seem like they're saying something outright only for people to realize the truth they thought they heard was not the truth that the Aes Sedai was telling. Needless to say, Aes Sedai might as well not have taken the oath in the first place for all the good it does them.
*** Well, they don't take the oaths for the benefit of others knowing they always have to tell the truth. They take them because of a long misunderstood tradition.



*** Also, the sword technique known as Sheathing the Sword, accepting a blow from an enemy in order to strike him down, is taught and used in book 2, then used again in book 14 by [[spoiler: Lan himself]] against [[spoiler: Demandred]].

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*** Also, the The sword technique known as Sheathing the Sword, accepting a blow from an enemy in order to strike him down, is taught and used in book 2, then used again in book 14 by [[spoiler: Lan himself]] against [[spoiler: Demandred]].



** Somewhat ironically, there are the Forsaken, which have been kept in stasis for three thousand years and awaken into a time in which not only the culture they knew has been destroyed, rebuilt, and destroyed again several times over, but the very world itself is beyond recognition. They are known to remark on how different things are from the Age of Legends, but they all seem to adapt remarkably well to the world in which they find themselves.
*** Having MindControl powers and a [[ReligionOfEvil secret cult ready and waiting to serve you]] helps.

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** Somewhat ironically, there are the Forsaken, which have been kept in stasis for three thousand years and awaken into a time in which not only the culture they knew has been destroyed, rebuilt, and destroyed again several times over, but the very world itself is beyond recognition. They are known to remark on how different things are from the Age of Legends, but they all seem to adapt remarkably well to the world in which they find themselves. \n*** Having MindControl powers and a [[ReligionOfEvil secret cult ready and waiting to serve you]] helps.



** Rand becomes known as the Dragon Reborn, uses a dragon banner, and gets magical dragon tattoos on his forearms. Interestingly, we never hear any legends about actual dragons, and the word is not commonly used to refer to anything else than the prophetized messiah. Most people have no idea what a dragon is or what it looks like and discover it when they see the Dragon Banner.
*** They are mentioned, but even in the Age of Legends they only had very faint records, and only knew them as fierce and powerful creatures covered in scales, hence Lews Therin being called the Dragon. Only that they did exist, but it was from a previous turning of the wheel and several ages had past between, further distorting their history. By modern times they're even less known.
** A modified yin-yang, without the circle of the opposing colour at the centers of each side, is the ancient symbol of the Aes Sedai. The white, female portion points up and is now called the Flame of Tar Valon by itself. The black, male side points down and is known in modern times as the Dragon's Fang by itself. The gender association is reversed from the actual taijitu, most likely to support the taint of the male half.
*** The familiar dots are missing in order to illustrate the current disunity between male and female channelers, to outline that only by working together can harmony be achieved.

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** Rand becomes known as the Dragon Reborn, uses a dragon banner, and gets magical dragon tattoos on his forearms. Interestingly, we never hear any legends about actual dragons, and the word is not commonly used to refer to anything else than the prophetized messiah. Most people have no idea what a dragon is or what it looks like and discover it when they see the Dragon Banner.
*** They are mentioned, but even
Banner. Even in the Age of Legends they only had very faint records, and only knew them as fierce and powerful creatures covered in scales, hence Lews Therin being called the Dragon. Only that they did exist, but it was from a previous turning of the wheel and several ages had past between, further distorting their history. By modern times they're even less known.
** A modified yin-yang, without the circle of the opposing colour at the centers of each side, is the ancient symbol of the Aes Sedai. The white, female portion points up and is now called the Flame of Tar Valon by itself. The black, male side points down and is known in modern times as the Dragon's Fang by itself. The gender association is reversed from the actual taijitu, most likely to support the taint of the male half.
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half. The familiar dots are missing in order to illustrate the current disunity between male and female channelers, to outline that only by working together can harmony be achieved.
5th Jan '18 9:16:00 AM NOYB
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* AllWitchesHaveCats: or at least, all cats have a fondness for women who can channel. Dogs, on the other hand, violently dislike them; this seems to work the other way around for male channelers.

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* AllWitchesHaveCats: or Or at least, all cats have a fondness for women who can channel. Dogs, on the other hand, violently dislike them; this seems to work the other way around for male channelers.



* [[spoiler: AmbiguousEnding: Of a sort. While the events of the actual series are tied up more or less neatly in the end, WordOfGod is firm that the subsequent fates of any character or the world in general after the final page will never be elaborated on. What happens to everyone after Rand rides off into the sunset is left up to the reader.]]

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* [[spoiler: AmbiguousEnding: [[spoiler: Of a sort. While the events of the actual series are tied up more or less neatly in the end, WordOfGod is firm that the subsequent fates of any character or the world in general after the final page will never be elaborated on. What happens to everyone after Rand rides off into the sunset is left up to the reader.]]
5th Jan '18 9:15:18 AM NOYB
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* [[spoiler: AmbiguousEnding: Of a sort. While the events of the actual series are tied up more or less neatly in the end, WordOfGod is firm that the subsequent fates of any character or the world in general after the final page will never be elaborated on. What happens to everyone after Rand rides off into the sunset is left up the reader.]]

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* [[spoiler: AmbiguousEnding: Of a sort. While the events of the actual series are tied up more or less neatly in the end, WordOfGod is firm that the subsequent fates of any character or the world in general after the final page will never be elaborated on. What happens to everyone after Rand rides off into the sunset is left up to the reader.]]
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