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5th Sep '17 3:34:47 AM Baeraad555
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* AllWomenArePrudes: Subverted. All women are certainly prudes in Two Rivers and to a lesser extent in Andor in general, and since that's where we spend most of first book it seems like this will be the case in the series at large. Not so, however - it turns out to be a cultural thing, and women in many other countries are in fact so matter-of-factly about sex that it's the ''men'' from those countries who are prone to get a bit flustered from it.
4th Sep '17 9:25:58 PM Peteman
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** It's also a ''brutal'' deconstruction. It's not just the taint that's making him insane, it's the knowledge that all of existence rests on his shoulders, while foolish people are fighting their savior at every turn. That much stress would drive anyone mad.

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** It's also a ''brutal'' deconstruction. It's not just the taint that's making him insane, it's the knowledge that all of existence rests on his shoulders, while foolish people are fighting their savior at every turn. That much stress would drive anyone mad.
3rd Aug '17 2:11:14 PM daveryan3
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* TheEvilsOfFreeWill: Definitely averted. Anyone forcibly turned to the shadow becomes lessened by it, as Shaitan itself admits in the final battle with The Dragon. And two of the futures shown in the final battle - the first where there is no good and the second where there is no evil - are perceived as more horrible than even the whole-world blight that most people expect after Shaitan's victory. [[spoiler: It is the realisation that eliminating Shaitan also eliminates free will that causes The Dragon to spare Shaitan and simply seal it away again, this time completely healing the rift instead of patching it. It is implied that this is the reason Shaitan exists in the first place - as a 'free will engine' - but sealed away so as to only be that and not consume everything]].
18th Jun '17 5:06:02 PM nombretomado
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** To give you another idea of how long the series is, according to ThatOtherWiki, the total running time for all the audiobook versions of the series is 461 hours and 25 minutes, or almost 20 days! If you attempted an uninterrupted marathon, you'd starve to death.

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** To give you another idea of how long the series is, according to ThatOtherWiki, Wiki/ThatOtherWiki, the total running time for all the audiobook versions of the series is 461 hours and 25 minutes, or almost 20 days! If you attempted an uninterrupted marathon, you'd starve to death.
10th Jun '17 2:34:25 PM Generality
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* BadFuture: [[spoiler: What Aviendha sees in her vision, in Towers of Midnight.]]
** Actually, that future sounds pretty good for most of the muggles. It's just awful for [[spoiler:channelers and Aiel]]... which happens to describe all of the protagonists.
*** Not necessarily. You must remember that the [[spoiler: Raven Empire is descended from the Seanchan and the massive social stratification that exists in that culture. It's not just channelers who are enslaved.]]
*** Actually that future sounded pretty much bad for everyone. Chanellers are not thatb uncommon, so you would expect that most people would have a friend or relative that is one, which would mean that you would not want to see them hurt, and besides that they have a strict and suffocating caste system for everyone. Maybe it would be good for people on top, but it would offer no upward mobility, no democracy, and no way to even question those in authority. I would say it was a bad future for absolutely everyone besides a chosen few.

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* BadFuture: BadFuture:
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[[spoiler: What Aviendha sees in her vision, in Towers of Midnight.]]
** Actually, that future sounds pretty good for most of the muggles. It's just awful for [[spoiler:channelers and Aiel]]... which happens to describe all of the protagonists.
*** Not necessarily. You must remember that the [[spoiler: Raven Empire is descended from the Seanchan and the massive social stratification that exists in that culture. It's not just channelers who are enslaved.]]
*** Actually that future sounded pretty much bad for everyone. Chanellers are not thatb uncommon, so you would expect that most people would have a friend or relative that is one, which would mean that you would not want to see them hurt, and besides that they have a strict and suffocating caste system for everyone. Maybe it would be good for people on top, but it would offer no upward mobility, no democracy, and no way to even question those in authority. I would say it was a bad future for absolutely everyone besides a chosen few.
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10th Jun '17 12:15:14 PM FretfulKennel
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*** Actually that future sounded pretty much bad for everyone. Chanellers are not thatb uncommon, so you would expect that most people would have a friend or relative that is one, which would mean that you would not want to see them hurt, and besides that they have a strict and suffocating caste system for everyone. Maybe it would be good for people on top, but it would offer no upward mobility, no democracy, and no way to even question those in authority. I would say it was a bad future for absolutely everyone besides a chosen few.
27th May '17 12:50:51 PM rmctagg09
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* DecapitationStrike: Lanfear near-fatally sabotages the armies of the Light in the Final Battle by infiltrating the generals' dreams and turning them into Manchurian Agents who misuse their troops in subtle but debilitating ways. Were it not for Mat Cauthon taking command, the ploy likely would have won the war for the Dark One.
7th May '17 9:15:32 AM Silverblade2
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* BlackComedyRape - Mat's deeply disturbing relationship with [[MrsRobinson Tylin]]. Like how she undresses him at knifepoint, for starters... Oh, she doesn't force him to undress by pointing a knife at him, oh no, [[spoiler:she uses the knife to undress him and have her way with him]], {{Squick}}ed out yet?

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* BlackComedyRape - BlackComedyRape: Mat's deeply disturbing relationship with [[MrsRobinson Tylin]]. Like how she undresses him at knifepoint, for starters... Oh, she doesn't force him to undress by pointing a knife at him, oh no, [[spoiler:she uses the knife to undress him and have her way with him]], {{Squick}}ed out yet?



** BrainwashedAndCrazy: [[spoiler:Turning someone to the Shadow does this to them, twisting their personality into one that serves the Dark One with no hope of changing.]]
** BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood: [[spoiler:As Rand learns in Book 14, killing the Dark One would lead to this for ''everyone in the world''. The shadow behind the eyes of those who were altered is the same as that which comes to those who are Turned. Shai'tan himself lampshades the lack of a difference.]]

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** * BrainwashedAndCrazy: [[spoiler:Turning someone to the Shadow does this to them, twisting their personality into one that serves the Dark One with no hope of changing.]]
** * BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood: [[spoiler:As Rand learns in Book 14, killing the Dark One would lead to this for ''everyone in the world''. The shadow behind the eyes of those who were altered is the same as that which comes to those who are Turned. Shai'tan himself lampshades the lack of a difference.]]



* DreamLand - World of Dreams, ''Tel'aran'rhiod''. It can even be entered ''physically'', not just mentally, but doing that horrifies the Aiel dreamwalkers for supposedly fragmenting the soul. The whole World has its own set of fairly complex rules that govern what is and isn't possible. Most pertinently, though, YourMindMakesItReal.

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* DreamLand - DreamLand: World of Dreams, ''Tel'aran'rhiod''. It can even be entered ''physically'', not just mentally, but doing that horrifies the Aiel dreamwalkers for supposedly fragmenting the soul. The whole World has its own set of fairly complex rules that govern what is and isn't possible. Most pertinently, though, YourMindMakesItReal.



** DreamWithinADream - Thanks to the World of Dreams. At one point, Egwene is forcibly yanked awake by her dreamwalker teacher who admonishes her for breaking a rule and then turns into a monster. Egwene wakes up a second time to the exact same setting, but this time she's really awake.
* DreamWalker

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** DreamWithinADream - * DreamWithinADream: Thanks to the World of Dreams. At one point, Egwene is forcibly yanked awake by her dreamwalker teacher who admonishes her for breaking a rule and then turns into a monster. Egwene wakes up a second time to the exact same setting, but this time she's really awake.
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30th Jan '17 9:40:41 AM Generality
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* BatmanGambit: There are numerous ones played by both good and evil, for example Mat flushing out the spy in the Seanchan camp at the Last Battle by pretending there was a rift between his and the Seanchan forces. However, the largest gambit would appear to be by the ''Creator'' him/her/itself. Knowing that the bore would need to be eliminated - not merely sealed - by the time the second age came around again, the sa'angreal Callandor was created that could amplify true power (and apparently not by the forces of the Shadow, as Moridin was surprised that it could do what it did - Shai'tan would have told him what it did had it been made by another darkfriend/forsaken) and which put any male channeler using it under the control of two women, if they linked with him. This fact was used at the Last Battle to get Moridin to channel the true power, putting him under the control of Nynaeve and Moiraine, who then gave control to Rand - which all together allowed the Bore to be resealed properly. Quite how the Creator managed to get Callandor made is not elaborated on, but the gambit worked.

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* BatmanGambit: There are numerous ones played by both good and evil, for example [[spoiler: Mat flushing out the spy in the Seanchan camp at the Last Battle by pretending there was a rift between his and the Seanchan forces. However, the largest gambit would appear to be by the ''Creator'' him/her/itself. Knowing that the bore would need to be eliminated - not merely sealed - by the time the second age came around again, the sa'angreal Callandor was created that could amplify true power (and apparently not by the forces of the Shadow, as Moridin was surprised that it could do what it did - Shai'tan would have told him what it did had it been made by another darkfriend/forsaken) and which put any male channeler using it under the control of two women, if they linked with him. This fact was used at the Last Battle to get Moridin to channel the true power, putting him under the control of Nynaeve and Moiraine, who then gave control to Rand - which all together allowed the Bore to be resealed properly. Quite how the Creator managed to get Callandor made is not elaborated on, but the gambit worked.forces.]]
30th Jan '17 1:47:50 AM daveryan3
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* BatmanGambit: There are numerous ones played by both good and evil, for example Mat flushing out the spy in the Seanchan camp at the Last Battle by pretending there was a rift between his and the Seanchan forces. However, the largest gambit would appear to be by the ''Creator'' him/her/itself. Knowing that the bore would need to be eliminated - not merely sealed - by the time the second age came around again, the sa'angreal Callandor was created that could amplify true power (and apparently not by the forces of the Shadow, as Moridin was surprised that it could do what it did - Shai'tan would have told him what it did had it been made by another darkfriend/forsaken) and which put any male channeler using it under the control of two women, if they linked with him. This fact was used at the Last Battle to get Moridin to channel the true power, putting him under the control of Nynaeve and Moiraine, who then gave control to Rand - which all together allowed the Bore to be resealed properly. Quite how the Creator managed to get Callandor made is not elaborated on, but the gambit worked.
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